Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[fogbadge]

A live-action Legend of Zelda movie is currently in development:

This is Miyamoto. I have been working on the live-action film of The Legend of Zelda for many years now with Avi Arad-san, who has produced many mega hit films. [1]

— 任天堂株式会社 (@Nintendo) November 7, 2023

More information here

hmm, how should i put this?

NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

 

[smashkirby]

A live-action Legend of Zelda movie is currently in development:

This is Miyamoto. I have been working on the live-action film of The Legend of Zelda for many years now with Avi Arad-san, who has produced many mega hit films. [1]

— 任天堂株式会社 (@Nintendo) November 7, 2023

More information here

Son of a gun... Huh, while I was on the fence about it being live-action, maybe Blake Lively as Samus Aran in a Metroid movie COULD happen after all...

 

[dream1ng]

Yeah, the Melee roster is a little wack, tbh.

Sakurai gonna Sakurai, but it is a bold choice to be adding characters like Sheik, ICs and G&W when there are still so many big names left. Not a "bad" choice, but one that could definitely disappoint people. Especially when you consider Sakurai really had no plans to do more Smash afterwards. Further exacerbated by the poor reception to two of the limited popular additions: Mewtwo and Ganondorf. And only compounded by the fact that two other characters, including one of the only eight originals, wasn't even going to exist outside the Japanese version.

To be clear, I'm not mad about Melee's selection. That was over 20 years ago, and they've added so many of the characters people wanted from back then since. It's just... I totally see why it would've been divisive and derided back then. Though even contemporaneously I thought those first three mentioned were weird choices (though I appreciate G&W, knowing more about him, and Sakurai, since).

Though I will say, real quick, to include Ganondorf as a Falcon clone is one thing. To tease his unlock like this

is just cruel.

Your hands are kinda tied if you only had the capacity for eight unique characters and six clones, but some of those clones are... choices. That said, apart from using Ganondorf on a moveset from a different series, which I really would've avoided, and inversely, not making Wario a clone, which was the right call, the other choices are imo a mixed bag:

• I might've chosen Daisy over Doc, because... it really is just another Mario. And you can still include the music. But I get Doc has his own sub-series
• Speaking of included music, I might've chosen a character like Mach Rider to be the Falcon clone. Maybe not the best use for him, and def not as popular as dorf, but... I wouldn't have sacrificed Ganondorf to a clone. I know Mach Rider isn't from F-Zero either, but it's not like he's gotten in otherwise and the moveset fit seems decent enough for Melee. It was made up for a generic fighter, anyway. (And it wouldn't have been implemented like this, but just the image of the neutral B creating a motorcycle instead of a bird is pretty funny. xD)
• Another option could've been a character like Funky over DK. I suspect Diddy may have been hamstrung by litigation at the time, but based on the DK trophies, the other DK characters may have been available to use.
• In theory you could've gone for a character like Ninten as a Ness clone, but the two are already so similar it'd be a little underwhelming. If anyone, I'd have gone for Paula, considering those are mostly her attacks, and she's more distinct. Still not the best choice imo.
• I guess you could've gone for Birdo over Yoshi if you had time to change the neutral B (presumably to an egg spit) and make the grab an inhale rather than a tongue. She'd not be from the Yoshi series, but w/e.
• Also both Daisy and Birdo kinda rely on Mario Tennis being within the timeframe to affect the roster, given it re-introduced both characters and I doubt they'd be prominent enough otherwise.
• I think Falco was the right call for Star Fox though. And Roy was promotional so w/e. Pichu is kinda eh but makes sense, was popular enough and at least represents the 2nd gen.

The full Melee roster leaked shortly before the game released. Tons of people thought it was a joke, but then the game released and people slowly saw their worst nightmare come true as they unlocked characters. I saw it happen. It wasn't pretty.

I bet. I remember even Brawl's had a lot of backlash at the end (despite a few credible leaks at that point), and that was generally regarded as the strongest selection, at least until Ultimate. Melee would've had Dark Pits all over the place, lol.

Out of curiosity, who do you remember being the most requested characters in the Melee era? Testimony from that time is now mostly second-hand.

 

[Wonder Smash]

We're so used to the Melee characters, but I can only imagine when the game was coming out/had recently dropped. What a weird cluster**** of new additions.

Peach and Bowser make sense. But then thinking your new Zelda character was just Sheik. The one-off transformation who didn't really do much, over Zelda or Ganon/dorf. Then you do get Zelda, and, it's not like her own arsenal was that deep then, but she just uses non-faithful versions of things Link does. Which is nothing to say of Ganondorf, who everyone was psyched on, and then he's just a Captain Falcon clone.

And then Ice Climbers, who are ok? But... very very random. Like, there's no Wario, there's no Diddy, there's no Dedede... but there's Ice Climbers. Even Pit was more popular. Little Mac too, probably, in the west.

Then there are these two randos named Marth and Roy and I have no ****ing clue where they're from. I mean they're cool and all but it's harder to by hyped when you've no idea who they are. But they're cool. Still trying to figure out if Marth is a girl, can someone who speaks Japanese clarify?

But it's cool they added Mewtwo, people like him. Wait... this dude is no fun at all to play. Dang, they ruined Mewtwo. Yeah, cut this guy (seriously, there was a notable contingent who wanted Mewtwo cut... until he was cut). Oh, and there's Pichu. Yay.... wait, he hurts himself, and he dies at like 50%? Sakurai!

Also what the **** is a Mr. Game and Watch? What does that mean?!? WHO IS THIS??

And why on earth would they add Dr. Mario when they could've added Wario?! He's just... another Mario... (Obviously good they didn't, but I don't doubt this was a take back then). And speaking of just another: Young Link? We already have Link? Why do we need Young Link? Why are there so many clones?! Falco is cool though.

This game is really fun and all but a lot of these new characters choices are kinda [insert outdated c. 2001 insult here]. Also why are there so many Zelda characters when Metroid and Kirby and DK only have one? Don't worry, next time they'll add Ridley. He was already in the opening trailer.


Not saying everyone would've been like this, but I can only imagine there was a bit of whiplash to what is, to be fair, very much not the strongest lineup of newcomers Smash has had.

To be honest, the only thing I was looking for at that time was Banjo & Kazooie. Though, it was less that I had this desire to see him Smash and more of a "Banjo is one of Nintendo's biggest stars. Why is he not in these games?"

I didn't really have much issues with the roster. Bowser made sense but Peach was kind of unexpected because she hardly did any fighting in the Mario series. I've always known her more as the damsel in distress than a fighter, so I was a little interested in how she played. As for Dr. Mario, I was like "okay but why? He's just Mario as a doctor". Yeah, he was one of the least interesting new characters in Melee.

I saw Zelda as the same as Peach, though the Shiek transformation was awesome because I always thought Shiek looked like a ninja anyway. Plus, I had beaten Ocarina of time just a few years earlier, so a lot of those things were still fresh on my mind. I thought Young Link was a much better addition compared to Dr. Mario because at least he seemed more important to his game and a lot more different. Though it was cool to see Ganondorf in the roster too, I never understood why he fought like Captain Falcon, knowing he actually fought in Ocarina of Time. But it wasn't something I focused too much on either.

Never really been a Pokemon fan, so I wasn't excited for Mewtwo or Pichu. I just hated how you had to unlock Mewtwo. Seriously, what were they thinking?

I actually did like the Ice Climbers inclusion. It really felt like every character, old or recent, had a chance in this series, which led to me wanting Little Mac. Melee was the first game that really showcased the Nintendo history element of the series, especially with the trophies (though strangely, it was completely missing Punch-Out!!, which I just never understood). So seeing NES era characters was in the roster was very interesting. And for a Nintendo fan like me, I really enjoyed it.

When I heard of Marth and Roy, I was like "Who?" But I also liked sword characters (probably because I was also playing Soul Calibur) and Link was my main, so when I saw that Marth was another sword character, I tried him out and he instantly became my new main. It really didn't matter to me if I didn't know Marth, Roy, or Fire Emblem. I actually thought it was interesting to learn about what else Nintendo made besides the games that I already knew about.

And finally, there was Mr. Game & Watch. Had no idea what he was supposed to be or what game he came from but there was something about his sound effects and animations that I have seen before. I just couldn't put my finger on it. It wasn't until some months later after I unlocked him when I was looking through my games and realized that I already had Game & Watch Gallery 2 on my Game Boy Color. I should have just slapped myself right then. lol

So yeah, I really didn't have many problems with Melee's roster. The biggest issue I had was no Banjo & Kazooie. They were missing in the first game, which was a surprise. But I was thinking there's no way they'd miss out on the second game but again, surprisingly, they did and it was frustrating at that point. Of course, all that was before Rare got bought by Microsoft but yeah, that was the biggest issue I had.

 

[dream1ng]

A live-action Legend of Zelda movie is currently in development:

This is Miyamoto. I have been working on the live-action film of The Legend of Zelda for many years now with Avi Arad-san, who has produced many mega hit films. [1]

— 任天堂株式会社 (@Nintendo) November 7, 2023

More information here

The film will be co-financed by Nintendo and Sony Pictures Entertainment Inc.... the theatrical distribution of the film will be done worldwide by Sony Pictures Entertainment

I'm sure no one will make more of this than need be.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I'm sure no one will make more of this than need be.

Smash speculation never paid attention to how Sony Music distributes the Pokemon anime's soundtracks, then again seeing a Sony logo on a Zelda movie released worldwide would be more prominent.

What should also be prominent is that Avi Arad was also the producer of

 

[dream1ng]

So do we just start expecting Tom Holland as Link, Anya Taylor-Joy as Zelda, and, like, Chris Pratt (he's so cool) as Ganondorf now or what

 

[chocolatejr9]

Smash speculation never paid attention to how Sony Music distributes the Pokemon anime's soundtracks, then again seeing a Sony logo on a Zelda movie released worldwide would be more prominent.

What should also be prominent is that Avi Arad was also the producer of

Is it supposed to show up grey for me..?

 

[Guynamednelson]

Is it supposed to show up grey for me..?

It's supposed to be the totally legitimate scene of Morbius saying "IT'S MORBIN' TIME", his 100% authentic catchphrase from the biggest movie of 2022, Morbius.

 

[Schnee117]

It's supposed to be the totally legitimate scene of Morbius saying "IT'S MORBIN' TIME", his 100% authentic catchphrase from the biggest movie of 2022, Morbius.

It's true, I saw it on the twitch stre- I mean in the cinema, totally legal

 

[fogbadge]

Tom Holland as Link

im listening

 

[dream1ng]

Smash speculation never paid attention to how Sony Music distributes the Pokemon anime's soundtracks, then again seeing a Sony logo on a Zelda movie released worldwide would be more prominent.

But parts did argue against Sora on the basis of Nintendo partnering with Universal

And yes this is a little more direct than the Pokemon anime's soundtrack distribution, which... I doubt most people even knew about - and was likely handled mostly by TPC.

It's supposed to be the totally legitimate scene of Morbius saying "IT'S MORBIN' TIME", his 100% authentic catchphrase from the biggest movie of 2022, Morbius.

That's gonna be nothing on Link shouting "IT'S ZELDIN' TIME", before two AC/DC songs start playing at the same time.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Melee's roster definitely feels like its from a simpler time.

It still hadnt done newcomers that were designed to be hype but instead it was too fill out the series they already had included.

 

[chocolatejr9]

So do we just start expecting Tom Holland as Link, Anya Taylor-Joy as Zelda, and, like, Chris Pratt (he's so cool) as Ganondorf now or what

I did once have an idea for Dwayne Johnson as Ganondorf, though given some of the things I heard about him after Black Adam, I'm not sure that'd be a good fit anymore...

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Back when Melee released I was so young that every new character was a cool and brilliant addition. Even the clones.

Heck, me and my friends thought in the next one, they could even add an "Adult Link" because we thought Link was a teen.

 

[fogbadge]

Back when Melee released I was so you that every new character was a cool and brilliant addition. Even the clones.

Heck, me and my friends thought in the next one, they could even add an "Adult Link" because we thought Link was a teen.

well that version of link I said to be 16 so you weren’t wrong

 

[Perkilator]

Your hands are kinda tied if you only had the capacity for eight unique characters and six clones, but some of those clones are... choices. That said, apart from using Ganondorf on a moveset from a different series, which I really would've avoided, and inversely, not making Wario a clone, which was the right call, the other choices are imo a mixed bag:

• I might've chosen Daisy over Doc, because... it really is just another Mario. And you can still include the music. But I get Doc has his own sub-series
• Speaking of included music, I might've chosen a character like Mach Rider to be the Falcon clone. Maybe not the best use for him, and def not as popular as dorf, but... I wouldn't have sacrificed Ganondorf to a clone. I know Mach Rider isn't from F-Zero either, but it's not like he's gotten in otherwise and the moveset fit seems decent enough for Melee. It was made up for a generic fighter, anyway. (And it wouldn't have been implemented like this, but just the image of the neutral B creating a motorcycle instead of a bird is pretty funny. xD)
• Another option could've been a character like Funky over DK. I suspect Diddy may have been hamstrung by litigation at the time, but based on the DK trophies, the other DK characters may have been available to use.
• In theory you could've gone for a character like Ninten as a Ness clone, but the two are already so similar it'd be a little underwhelming. If anyone, I'd have gone for Paula, considering those are mostly her attacks, and she's more distinct. Still not the best choice imo.
• I guess you could've gone for Birdo over Yoshi if you had time to change the neutral B (presumably to an egg spit) and make the grab an inhale rather than a tongue. She'd not be from the Yoshi series, but w/e.
• Also both Daisy and Birdo kinda rely on Mario Tennis being within the timeframe to affect the roster, given it re-introduced both characters and I doubt they'd be prominent enough otherwise.
• I think Falco was the right call for Star Fox though. And Roy was promotional so w/e. Pichu is kinda eh but makes sense, was popular enough and at least represents the 2nd gen.

Okay, so...if you guys got to choose seven unique characters and seven Echo Fighters for Melee, who would you guys pick? For me:

Peach​	Bowser​	Ice Climbers​	Sheik​	Zelda​	Marth​	Mewtwo​
Ayumi Tachibana (Peach / Zelda Echo)​	Pichu (Pikachu Echo)​	Falco (Fox Echo)​	Young Link (Link Echo)​	Mach Rider (Captain Falcon Echo)​	Celica (Marth Echo)​	Bubbles (Kirby Echo)​

 

[dream1ng]

im listening

It was a joke but tbh the first two aren't bad casting, especially since I doubt professional elf boy Timothee Chalamet would sign on to a video game movie. Actually seems plausible Holland and ATJ end up being preferable to who ends up getting cast.

I did once have an idea for Dwayne Johnson as Ganondorf, though given some of the things I heard about him after Black Adam, I'm not sure that'd be a good fit anymore...

He has the imposing physique but I'm not sure the character is really in his wheelhouse personality-wise. Plus, I may be misinformed, but doesn't he not play villain roles anymore? I know Black Adam is a villain in the comics, but didn't they change that in the movie? (haven't seen it)

 

[Schnee117]

He has the imposing physique but I'm not sure the character is really in his wheelhouse personality-wise. Plus, I may be misinformed, but doesn't he not play villain roles anymore? I know Black Adam is a villain in the comics, but didn't they change that in the movie? (haven't seen it)

Black Adam's an anti-hero which he's been for a while now.
That and The Rock has some weird ego thing about not wanting to lose fights, I don't think he'd want to lose to an elf twink on screen.

 

[fogbadge]

Black Adam's an anti-hero which he's been for a while now.
That and The Rock has some weird ego thing about not wanting to lose fights, I don't think he'd want to lose to an elf twink on screen.

He lost a fight in moana

 

[dream1ng]

Black Adam's an anti-hero which he's been for a while now.

Good old comics. You either die a villain or get popular enough to become an anti-hero instead lol

That and The Rock has some weird ego thing about not wanting to lose fights, I don't think he'd want to lose to an elf twink on screen.

He wouldn't do it for anything less than it becoming The Legend of Ganondorf so he can reclaim Hyrule from that tyrant Zelda and her pesky tunic-wearing, house-barging, pot-smashing errand boy. xD

 

[Noipoi]

He lost a fight in moana

No, Maui lost a fight in Moana. The Rock still has a spotless record!

 

[SPEN18]

He lost a fight in moana

and in Transformers Prime

 

[Schnee117]

He lost a fight in moana

Sure but that's animated.
In live action the Fast and Furious movies had a contractual obligation to not have him lose a fight and we know he didn't want to be in the Shazam movies even though he picked the guy who's main beef is with a 12 year old which ****ed the second movie over in particular. He wanted to fight Superman instead.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

and in Transformers Prime

He got beat so bad in that one he turned into a Zombie.

 

[SPEN18]

The real way to fix Melee's roster would've been to give it an actually normal development timeline.
But, failing that, I think they would've been better off just accepting it was gonna be a smaller roster instead of beefing it up with clones. They didn't have to double the previous game's roster for it to be marketed as a clearly more robust lineup; they still had big newcomers like Peach, Bowser, and Zelda to build around. I'd sack like almost all the Melee clones for one more truly impactful addition like a Dedede or a Wario, if that would've been an option. A roughly 20-character roster would have been just fine for that time IMO.

 

[Louie G.]

I think they would've been better off just accepting it was gonna be a smaller roster instead of beefing it up with clones.

Honestly I don't disagree, although I'm grateful that it gave us Falco. Unsure if they would have bothered with him by Brawl and really Melee wouldn't be the same without him... maybe for some this isn't a fair trade to be stuck with Falcondorf for twenty years, but I'm looking on the bright side here.

I would have loved to see what Melee would look like had (presumably) Wario been given the dev time over the clones though. I'm typically a defender of Brawl / Ware Wario but I wonder if he would feel more like "traditional" Wario if he was added just one game prior. That gap between Melee and Brawl really changed the course of history for him, I think more than it would have nearly any other character on the roster.

 

[RodNutTakin]

If I personally was able to give Melee a late 2002 release, this is what I would've done in place of the clones now that there's more or less 10-12 more months for development:
-Wolf instead of Falco
-Wario
-Diddy Kong
-Ganondorf with a distinct moveset (would probably still use Falcon as a base development-wise)
-King Dedede
-Marill

Essentially, three "high effort" characters (Wario, Diddy, Dedede) alongside three others that'd be a bit simpler to develop (Wolf, Ganondorf, Marill).

 

[Perkilator]

Okay, so...if you guys got to choose seven unique characters and seven Echo Fighters for Melee, who would you guys pick? For me:

Peach​	Bowser​	Ice Climbers​	Sheik​	Zelda​	Marth​	Mewtwo​
Ayumi Tachibana (Peach / Zelda Echo)​	Pichu (Pikachu Echo)​	Falco (Fox Echo)​	Young Link (Link Echo)​	Mach Rider (Captain Falcon Echo)​	Celica (Marth Echo)​	Bubbles (Kirby Echo)​

Alternatively, if Melee got another year to cook, here's the roster I'd choose (Italics bold denotes unlockable characters):

Mario​	Luigi​	Peach​	Bowser​	Yoshi​	Wario¹​	Donkey Kong​	Diddy Kong​	Link​	Zelda / Sheik​
Ganondorf²​	Samus​	Kirby​	Fox​	Falco​	Pikachu​	Jigglypuff​	Mewtwo​	Scizor​	Ness​
​	Captain Falcon​	Ice Climbers​	Ayumi Tachibana³​	Marth​	Celica⁴​	Bubbles⁵​	Mach Rider⁶​	Mr. Game & Watch​	​

• ¹Wario would be primarily based on the Wario Land series
• ²Ganondorf would be fully de-cloned
• ³Ayumi would be a semi-clone using Peach's and Zelda's attacks
• ⁴Celica would be a Marth Echo with equal damage across the blade, but her versions of Marth's specials would instead incorporate magic with recoil damage
• ⁵Bubbles would be a Kirby Echo with variations of Kirby's specials based on Clu Clu Land
• ⁶Mach Rider would be a Captain Falcon Echo with the neutral special changed to a machine gun and the side special changed to a bike dash

I'm also going to jot down stages well:

Battlefield (Special stage)​	Bob-Omb Battlefield (Mario's stage)​	Luigi Raceway (Luigi's stage)​	Peach's Castle (Peach's stage)​	Bowser's Castle (Bowser's stage)​	Yoshi's Story (Yoshi's stage)​
Rice Beach (Wario's stage)​	Kongo Falls (Donkey Kong's stage)​	Jungle Japes (Diddy Kong's stage)​	Death Mountain (Link's stage)​	Temple (Zelda / Sheik's stage)​	Gerudo Valley (Ganondorf's stage)​
Brinstar (Samus' stage)​	Fountain of Dreams (Kirby's stage)​	Corneria (Fox's stage)​	Venom (Falco's stage)​	Pallet Town (Pikachu's stage)​	Pokémon Stadium (Jigglypuff's stage)​
Cerulean Cave (Mewtwo's stage)​	Sprout Tower (Scizor's stage)​	Onett (Ness' stage)​	Big Blue (Captain Falcon's stage)​	Condor's Peak (Ice Climbers' stage)​	Talys (Marth's stage)​
Flat Zone (Mr. Game & Watch's stage)​	Kongo Jungle (Past stage)​	Super Happy Tree (Past stage)​	Dream Land (Past stage)​	Saffron City (Past stage)​	Final Destination (Special stage)​

 

[Kirbeh]

Aren't there already several threads dedicated to "What if x smash had more dev time?"

 

[Pupp135]

While Melee didn’t solely focus on heavy hitters, I find Sheik and Ice Climbers fun to play as (they’re my two most played in Ultimate), and I think that weird unique choices like a transforming Zelda and an obscure double team character were cool. I’m fine with the clones as they’re extra content more or less, and they took less time than a fully unique fighter.

Sometimes, I kind of wonder what Melee’s roster would‘ve looked like if there was a larger focus on requested fighters (maybe I’ll speculate later).

Okay, so...if you guys got to choose seven unique characters and seven Echo Fighters for Melee, who would you guys pick? For me:

Peach​	Bowser​	Ice Climbers​	Sheik​	Zelda​	Marth​	Mewtwo​
Ayumi Tachibana (Peach / Zelda Echo)​	Pichu (Pikachu Echo)​	Falco (Fox Echo)​	Young Link (Link Echo)​	Mach Rider (Captain Falcon Echo)​	Celica (Marth Echo)​	Bubbles (Kirby Echo)​

In this scenario, I’d also probably drop Mr. Game & Watch for the unique fighters, and Daisy would be my seventh clone. I kept the other seven unique fighters as Bowser, Peach, and Mewtwo were highly requested, Marth gives a more formal introduction of Fire Emblem to the west, and Zelda/Sheik and Ice Climbers have cool gimmicks.
While clone Ganondorf isn’t ideal, it seems like casuals like him. Daisy is an easy alt promotion more or less.

 

[SPEN18]

Honestly I don't disagree, although I'm grateful that it gave us Falco. Unsure if they would have bothered with him by Brawl and really Melee wouldn't be the same without him... maybe for some this isn't a fair trade to be stuck with Falcondorf for twenty years, but I'm looking on the bright side here.

I would have loved to see what Melee would look like had (presumably) Wario been given the dev time over the clones though. I'm typically a defender of Brawl / Ware Wario but I wonder if he would feel more like "traditional" Wario if he was added just one game prior. That gap between Melee and Brawl really changed the course of history for him, I think more than it would have nearly any other character on the roster.

Ok to be honest I do like having Ware Wario, and at this point that is arguably the premier version of the character. However, yeah, you could make room for some Wario Land moves, as those games are also a substantial part of his history.

Interesting to think what would've happened in Brawl if Falco wasn't in Melee. Would we have gotten Falco instead of Wolf? Just Wolf? Falco and Wolf still like we did? Or would we have just gotten Krystal as the second Star Fox rep? I still like Krystal, though she probably needs a new Star Fox whose story isn't just a 64 retread in order to get in.

 

[Jave]

I bet. I remember even Brawl's had a lot of backlash at the end (despite a few credible leaks at that point), and that was generally regarded as the strongest selection, at least until Ultimate. Melee would've had Dark Pits all over the place, lol.

Out of curiosity, who do you remember being the most requested characters in the Melee era? Testimony from that time is now mostly second-hand.

The "Ridley for Smash" thing goes all the way to the pre-Melee days since the Melee animated intro (which was officially shown before release) does in fact feature him, making a lot of people believe he was a hidden character. That was one of the biggest disappointments on the roster for a lot of people, and what also made a lot of people think the leak was a joke since Ridley wasn't in it.

One character I remember being wanted by many was Meowth. The Pokemon anime was at its peak back then and Pikachu was already in, so it made sense people would want the second most prominent Pokemon in the game.

As for reactions to the leak. Luigi and Jigglypuff were expected and Ganondorf, Mewtwo and even Falco were believable picks. But characters like Doctor Mario, Pichu, Young Link made a lot of people question its veracity.

The biggest question marks were Marth and Roy. Even the few who knew about Fire Emblem in the west didn't make the connection with Marth since back then he was still known as "Mars". As for Roy, even Japan was confused with him because his game wasn't even out yet, so a lot of people thought the leak referred to Roy Koopa. Yeah, the idea of one of the Koopalings being a playable character was ridiculous, but there was no one else who fit the name.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Finally, the 1986 games are up:

任天堂ソフト一覧 | ファミリーコンピュータ | 任天堂

任天堂から発売したファミリーコンピュータ／ディスクシステムのソフト一覧です。

www.nintendo.com

Now its time to wait for the 1987 games.

I really like both the Super Mario Bros and The Legend of Zelda pages. I also like how the 1986 games have images showing the story of the games.

 

[Ivander]

Smash speculation never paid attention to how Sony Music distributes the Pokemon anime's soundtracks, then again seeing a Sony logo on a Zelda movie released worldwide would be more prominent.

What should also be prominent is that Avi Arad was also the producer of

I almost got scared and looked at his record to find his involvement with a lot of Marvel movies in general, including all of the Spiderman movies and Spiderverse movies and whatnot.

I'll see what happens. Looking at his involvement and records with Marvel movies in general, it's looking like a 50/50. Looks like it really depends on their writers, directors and whatnot.

Edit: Oh, apparently the director is Wes Ball...responsible for the Maze Runner trilogy movies and Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes. The latter isn't out yet and looking at the trilogy reception....not exactly favourable.

 

[Quillion]

Ok to be honest I do like having Ware Wario, and at this point that is arguably the premier version of the character. However, yeah, you could make room for some Wario Land moves, as those games are also a substantial part of his history.

What kind of moves would even represent Wario Land? The only really iconic move there is the Dash Attack (Shoulder Bash), and Ultimate finally put in both that and the bike.

 

[dream1ng]

I'll see what happens. Looking at his involvement and records with Marvel movies in general, it's looking like a 50/50. Looks like it really depends on their writers, directors and whatnot.

The director did the Maze Runner trilogy. He's also doing the new Planet of the Apes. I have not seen all those movies, but I think he's competent enough for something like this. He's at least familiar with stunt-heavy, environmental stuff. And let's be real, he's basically work-for-hire here. This isn't some auteur movie.

The writer, on the other hand, is from the new Jurassic Trilogy. And Detective Pikachu. But Detective Pikachu without the Ryan Reynolds improv. So...

 

[Ivander]

The director did the Maze Runner trilogy. He's also doing the new Planet of the Apes. I have not seen all those movies, but I think he's competent enough for something like this. He's at least familiar with stunt-heavy, environmental stuff. And let's be real, he's basically work-for-hire here. This isn't some auteur movie.

The writer, on the other hand, is from the new Jurassic Trilogy. And Detective Pikachu. But Detective Pikachu without the Ryan Reynolds improv. So...

Ryan was certainly one of the best parts, but the main plot itself wasn't bad(Predictable, but not bad overall) and it did have some good moments without too much of Ryan's improv, like the Mr. Mime scene and the illegal arena scene.

Well, we can only wait for a teaser to see the potential.

 

[SPEN18]

of course, the real solution for Melee which everyone has been dancing around is this:

delay the game juuust long enough that Isaac isn't too new, then put him in.

 

[Quillion]

I'm kinda worried that the Zelda movie is going to be too straight of an adaptation of the games like the Mario movie was.

Like, how are you supposed to turn the atmosphere-driven collecting and dungeon crawling into a movie?