Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

A good way to look at it is this; Resident Evil and FNAF are the same genre of horror(survival-based), but have very unique mechanics that make them stand out heavily from each other. One's not an FPS, after all(which is funny, since Dark Samus does come from one, lol).

That, and Freddy Fazbear is not the protagonist but one of the normal "monsters", which means he'd stand out even more from the usual RE protagonists(or even Nemesis). They can easily coincide. Just as I've said before about other stuff(I.E. Doom and Halo), being in the same genre doesn't make them redundant. They have unique gameplay, options, and more(not to mention music, spirits, stages...).

 

[Kirbeh]

Technically Jill, Chris, and Leon count as horror reps even though they themselves aren’t scary. I like all three protagonists but I feel like if you want to rep the horror genre, the character you choose should be scary. That’s why I personally like Nemesis as the Resident Evil rep even though the protagonists are probably more popular.

Adding some monster characters would be cool but I have to disagree on the horror rep actually needing to be one. As much as I like Nemmy I still think we should have Chris, Jill or Leon first. On the chance we did get Nemesis though, it's classic design or bust. They did him dirty in 3make, both appearance and gameplay wise.

Aside from RE, I hope they continue and expand the Fatal Frame representation. I'd like to see them attempt to make one of the girls playable, though I doubt they'd go for it. I'd take a stage at least, the locations from Fatal Frame would definitely be good representation for the genre.

Also Clock Tower. Some classic Clock Tower content would be cool.

 

[Gengar84]

Perhaps I worded that too strongly. I didn’t mean to imply that the horror rep absolutely has to be scary themselves, that’s just what I would personally prefer. Chris Redfield without the zombies doesn’t really do much related to the horror genre in my view.

 

[Louie G.]

Nah fully playable character
We all said the same thing for steve look what happened

I don't think this is a fair comparison, FNAF is not Minecraft. Skepticism surrounding Steve often stemmed from whether or not he was a "true" protagonist rather than whether or not the series warranted representation (most people agreed on at least a stage). This may be more comparable if people were requesting the security guard, but Freddy Fazbear is a pretty identifiable character and obviously the one we would be getting in this scenario.

More importantly though Minecraft is one of the biggest and most widely persisting games in the world. It is popular in every country and played by every age group. FNAF is very successful, but to my knowledge I don't believe that success has reached Japanese shores to the same extent. I think a Mii Costume would be a serviceable nod to the popularity of the franchise but I don't believe it would outrank many of the other western or indie characters who have seen more overseas success and / or stronger fan support over the years for that spot on the roster.

That being said, I personally am not a FNAF fan but I have some morbid curiosity about how they'd choose to handle a playable character. I think Freddy would be pretty fascinating if not just to see how they uniquely animate a possessed animatronic. We have a couple robotic characters but there's a pretty apparent difference between say, ROB and Freddy. So idk how I'd feel about it but I think it'd be interesting.

Perhaps I worded that too strongly. I didn’t mean to imply that the horror rep absolutely has to be scary themselves, that’s just what I would personally prefer. Chris Redfield without the zombies doesn’t really do much related to the horror genre in my view.

To each their own, but I think if it was designed properly a resource management based kit for a Resident Evil character would be great at emphasizing the tense, constantly on your toes flavor that defines much of the genre. It's "scary" in that more abstract anxiety inducing way, the sentiment would be there. High risk / reward for say... a handgun with capacity for strong kills a la Wonderwing where you only have a few shots to take, and once you run out of ammo you have to close in physically as a desperate last resort.

 

[osby]

I don't think this is a fair comparison, FNAF is not Minecraft. Skepticism surrounding Steve often stemmed from whether or not he was a "true" protagonist rather than whether or not the series warranted representation (most people agreed on at least a stage). This may be more comparable if people were requesting the security guard, but Freddy Fazbear is a pretty identifiable character and obviously the one we would be getting in this scenario.

Speaking of this, Steve's debates got really weird and I don't miss them. You had more than a few people genuinely arguing that Steve wouldn't be a recognizable addition because "nobody keeps the default skin".

In hindsight, it shouldn't be a surprise that characters like Joker and Terry got all the literal who accusations when even Steve is too obscure for some Smash fans.

 

[Kirbeh]

Perhaps I worded that too strongly. I didn’t mean to imply that the horror rep absolutely has to be scary themselves, that’s just what I would personally prefer. Chris Redfield without the zombies doesn’t really do much related to the horror genre in my view.

That's fair enough, though if we got Chris we'd definitely be getting an RE stage with monsters of some kind in the background, perhaps even as stage hazards. So the horror element would come more from the other content rather than the fighter.

Then again, the zombies/monsters could even be part of the moveset if they really wanted to. Just look at Jill in Marvel 2 or Frank West in Marvel 3.

 

[Gengar84]

That's fair enough, though if we got Chris we'd definitely be getting an RE stage with monsters of some kind in the background, perhaps even as stage hazards. So the horror element would come more from the other content rather than the fighter.

Then again, the zombies/monsters could even be part of the moveset if they really wanted to. Just look at Jill in Marvel 2 or Frank West in Marvel 3.

True, if the moveset summoned zombies like Jill in Marvel Vs Capcom, that would definitely help. Although Wesker would probably make more sense flavorfully to be the one summoning zombies to attack than the protagonists.

 

[Louie G.]

True, if the moveset summoned zombies like Jill in Marvel Vs Capcom, that would definitely help. Although Wesker would probably make more sense flavorfully to be the one summoning zombies to attack than the protagonists.

I'm not sure how popular of an opinion this is, but I adore Jill in MVC2. I actually think that's the best point of reference for how Resident Evil could still work in Smash while being a bit neutered, at least aesthetically speaking.

The idea of avoiding incoming danger and letting your opponents take the heat is a really fun idea and I'm unsure if that's what Smash would choose to go with... I imagine a more grounded approach appealing a bit more to Smash's sensibilities, representing an abstract sense of horror rather than those explicit elements, but I do smile at the thought of a down tilt that summons a zombie hand to pop out of the ground or something. If they lifted the zombie concept from MVC2 they could make for some interesting set-up tools and stage control.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I'm not sure how popular of an opinion this is, but I adore Jill in MVC2

I think it's universally considered a better representation of her than brainwashed Jill in 3.

 

[RileyXY1]

Although I don't know if we can even have M-rated reps anymore due to rule changes the ESRB made during FP1's release schedule that caused many of the presentations for the Mii Fighter costumes from M-rated franchises to not be able to even acknowledge what game they were even from in the US.

 

[Louie G.]

Although I don't know if we can even have M-rated reps anymore due to rule changes the ESRB made during FP1's release schedule that caused many of the presentations for the Mii Fighter costumes from M-rated franchises to not be able to even acknowledge what game they were even from in the US.

If that was the case, we wouldn't have gotten those costumes in the first place. Not to mention we did receive Resident Evil and No More Heroes spirits post release that acknowledged them by name. That whole situation was very odd but I wouldn't put too much stock in it.

Like, do we really think Bayonetta is going anywhere?

 

[RileyXY1]

If that was the case, we wouldn't have gotten those costumes in the first place. Not to mention we did receive Resident Evil and No More Heroes spirits post release that acknowledged them by name. That whole situation was very odd but I wouldn't put too much stock in it.

Although those Spirits weren't promoted in reveal trailers. And it would be hard to promote such a character if Sakurai can't even talk about what game they're from without upping Smash's own age rating.

 

[Louie G.]

Although those Spirits weren't promoted in reveal trailers. And it would be hard to promote such a character if Sakurai can't even talk about what game they're from without upping Smash's own age rating.

I imagine it would be as simple as Sakurai explaining that he cannot show any original gameplay footage from the series so he'll just get right into the character showcase. Ideally they can just let the showcase be rated E-M at the beginning like most Nintendo Directs are, doesn't seem to be an issue there. There are a bunch of ways I can see them stepping around this so I don't think we should be that worried about it, not much more to say about it than that.

For good measure, here's the description from the NMH3 spirit board released in Late 2021.

Three new spirits from No More Heroes 3 are coming to the Spirit Board in this event!
Defeat them in battle to earn more SP than usual. Don't miss out!

©Marvelous Inc. / Grasshopper Manufacture Inc

No issues with promoting / acknowledging an M-rated game in-game.

 

[fogbadge]

If we’re talking horror we should have one of the aliens from majoras mask. those things are creepy

 

[RileyXY1]

I imagine it would be as simple as Sakurai explaining that he cannot show any original gameplay footage from the series so he'll just get right into the character showcase. Ideally they can just let the showcase be rated E-M at the beginning like most Nintendo Directs are, doesn't seem to be an issue there. There are a bunch of ways I can see them stepping around this so I don't think we should be that worried about it, not much more to say about it than that.

For good measure, here's the description from the NMH3 spirit board released in Late 2021.



No issues with promoting / acknowledging an M-rated game in-game.

As I said, it appears to only apply to promotional material such as trailers. It would make it much harder for an M-rated game character to join Smash unless they either decide to increase Smash's own age rating to compensate or just not have that character at all in the US release.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Although I don't know if we can even have M-rated reps anymore due to rule changes the ESRB made during FP1's release schedule that caused many of the presentations for the Mii Fighter costumes from M-rated franchises to not be able to even acknowledge what game they were even from in the US.

Persona is right there.

 

[RileyXY1]

Persona is right there.

That dropped before the rule change happened, which was first noticeable in Byleth's presentation as they couldn't directly refer to Altair's origin game as Assassin's Creed when they unveiled his Mii Fighter costume. Also, the Fighter Pass image showing all the fighters no longer included logos for the origin franchises or games after that point.

 

[fogbadge]

That dropped before the rule change happened, which was first noticeable in Byleth's presentation as they couldn't directly refer to Altair's origin game as Assassin's Creed when they unveiled his Mii Fighter costume. Also, the Fighter Pass image showing all the fighters no longer included logos for the origin franchises or games after that point.

maybe they couldn’t call it that in your version

 

[Schnee117]

The "don't say the game's name or logo" thing is literally just for promotional stuff outside the game and even then it's still dumb because Doom Slayer exists. It's a non-issue.

 

[Louie G.]

As I said, it appears to only apply to promotional material such as trailers.

I feel like it's not worth going back and forth about this since most people agree that it doesn't matter, but I do feel like saying this much.

The only thing that matters, in the end, is how it is handled in the game. Promotional material can be altered and worked around to whatever extent they need it to be. The fact is that the game itself shows no qualms about mentioning M-rated games, the one place where it absolutely 100% matters. That's why I brought up the NMH3 event. They have and will make accommodations elsewhere but you keep suggesting this will influence the rating of Smash Bros itself, which it clearly isn't.

 

[Arcadenik]

So Nintendo brought back The Mysterious Murasame Castle to the USA (first time and last time was on 3DS eShop) and finally brought Devil World to the USA.

Tamagon finally joins the club with Takamaru, Lip, Ayumi, and Sukapon.

Takamaru for Smash! I still want him in Smash.

 

[smashkirby]

What potential new franchises would you like to see in the next Smash game? Whether it be from Nintendo, 3rd party companies already represented, or new companies altogether.

Going to be completely honest here... I'm mostly just copy-and-pasting from an old post of mine, but I will say that, as I'm 99.99999% sure that a great deal of these series will almost certainly NOT get a playable character, I'd be totally fine with a stage for them (like Nintendo Land; Monita herself might not be playable, but I'll take the titular amusement park itself as a stage in a future Smash Bros. game).

Lark (or any Pilotwings character for that matter)
A Wave Race character (preferably Ryota Hayami)
A 1080° character (preferably Akari Hayami, Kensuke Kimachi, or Ricky Winterborn)
A Nintendo LABO character
Sakura Samurai
Trax
Monita
A Rhythm Heaven character (preferably Yuka)
Dr. Lobe
Dr. Kawashima
Dr. Wright
Vince
Harry (Teleroboxer)
Icarus (Glory of Heracles)
Frey and Freya
Kyle Hyde
Ashley Mizuki Robbins
Raymond Bryce
A Nintendo Wars character (preferably Andy)
Qbby
Eddy (Fluidity)
Sukapon
Nikki (I guess she's technically in via Miis, but still)
Wonder-Red
A Magical Vacation/Starsign character
Zael
Aeron
Tamagon
Barbara the Bat
Mallo
Prince Sable
A Baiten Kaitos character
An Odama character
A Fossil Fighters character
A Kurikin character
Dillon
Mach Rider
F-Type
Kageshina Kurabe
Excitebiker
Balloon Fighter
Alice
Bubbles
Ayumi Tachibana
DeMille
Kururin
Chibi-Robo
Hakkun
The Marvelous trio (Dion, Max, and Jack)
Sheriff
Starfy
Muddy Mole
Mike Jones
Michael Anderson
Fighter Hayabusa
A sports character (the Volleyball Girl, the Ice Hockey team, etc.)
Ouendan and/or Elite Beat Agents (w/ their female counterparts)
Mr. Stevenson
Takamaru
Isaac
Ray (Custom Robo)
Alexandra Roivas
Jonathan Raimi
Jasmine Callsign (from Jet Impulse)
Hiro and/or Satoru (from Card Hero)
Sato Amatsubo (from Project H.A.C.K.E.R.)
Captain Rainbow
Goku and Chao
Donbe and Hikari
Lip
Saki Amamiya
A Style Savvy character
A Hanafuda character
Mini-Kangaroo (w/ various Nintendo toys from back in the day)
Ando Kensaku
Arcade Bunny
Grace and Savannah (from Tokyo Crash Mobs)
A Pop-Up Pursuit character
Orville (Takt of Magic)
A Cubivore character
Doshin/Jashin
Cupid
Aisya
Diskun
Jill
Tempo
Welt
Warrior Mech Gauss
Rusty's Real Deal Baseball
Cruis'n
Fitness Boxing

A Fatal Frame character
Arle Nadja
Super Monkey Ball
NiGHTS
Samba de Amigo
Space Channel 5
Billy Hatcher
Sakura Wars
Fantasy Zone
Fighting Vipers
Shenmue
Jet Set Radio
Streets of Rage
Namco Arcade Archive (There's a LOT here, so I'll sum things up with this. Just think of Dig Dug, Bravoman, Wonder Momo, Baraduke, Mappy, Wagan Land, Toy Pop, Burning Force, Shadow Land, Valkyrie, Tower of Druaga, etc.)
Klonoa
Mr. Driller
Ridge Racer
Soul Caliber
Rival Schools
Cyberbots
Resident Evil
Darkstalkers
Final Fight

 

[KneeOfJustice99]

What potential new franchises would you like to see in the next Smash game? Whether it be from Nintendo, 3rd party companies already represented, or new companies altogether.

Picross. Although Jupiter are the key developers behind it (despite Nintendo owning the name, which I guess makes it somewhere between a second or third party series by the standards you'd see here), the Picross series has been pretty significant ever since its inception - and has been a mainstay of the eShops of both the 3DS and the Switch with entire series to their name. Though I reckon it'd be ill-suited to a fighter, some music - or even a stage! - would be really cool.

Come to think of it, I think it'd be nice to generally just see more puzzle stuff in Smash overall. Seeing Dr. Mario as the only playable puzzle rep is a bit of a shame given the potential out there, and I reckon stuff like Tetris, Puzzle League and, yes, Picross, would be really well-suited to some more stuff overall as opposed to just some remixes from Brawl, and like, one item from Melee.

 

[Stratos]

What potential new franchises would you like to see in the next Smash game? Whether it be from Nintendo, 3rd party companies already represented, or new companies altogether.

The longest list of video game characters (at the end of the list there are five non-video game but Nintendo related characters) that I wish would come to the Super Smash Bros. series as newcomers:

Spoiler: New characters I would like

Euden (Dragalia Lost)
Zethia (Dragalia Lost)
Earthworm Jim (Earthworm Jim series)
Bomberman (Bomberman series)
Aeron (Pandora's Tower)
Zael (The Last Story)
Rayman (Rayman seiries)
Unicycle (Uniracers)
Tin Star (Tin Star)
Liu Kang (Mortal Kombat series)
Scorpion (Mortal Kombat series)
Kyo Kusanagi (The King of Fighters)
Haohmaru (Samurai Shodown series)
Mach Rider (Mach Rider)
Jin Kazama (Tekken series)
Alexandra Roivas (Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem)
John Raimi (Geist)
Ryu Hayabusa (Ninja Gaiden series)
Kevin (Karkurenbo Battle Monster Tactics)
Queen Azarel (Warlocked)
Chief Zog (Warlocked)
Crash Bandicoot (Crash Bandicoot series)
Spyro the Dragon (Spyro the Dragon series)
Abe (Oddworld series)
Stranger (Oddworld series)
Fighter Hayabusa (Pro Wrestling)
Takamaru (The Mysterious Murasame Castle)
Black Shadow (F-Zero series)
Medusa (Kid Icarus series)
Chibi-Robo (Chibi-Robo series)
Captain Rainbow (Captain Rainbow)
Conker (Conker series)
Professor Hershel Layton (Professor Layton series)
Siegfried Schtauffen (Soulcalibur series)
Elma (Xenoblade Chronicles X)
Cross (Xenoblade Chronicles X)
Edward Carnby (Alone in the Dark series)
Adol Christin (Ys series)
Sol Badguy (Guilty Gear series)
Ragna the Bloodedge (BlazBlue series)
Gex (Gex series)
Protagonist (Glory of Heracles)
Heracles (Glory of Heracles)
Protagonist (Famicom Detective Club)
Ayumi Tachibana (Famicom Detective Club)
Reiji Arisu (Namco × Capcom, Project X Zone series)
Laboman (Labo)
Ring Fit Trainee (Ring Fit Adventure)
Dillon (Dillon series)
Dante (Devil May Cry series)
Spring Man (ARMS)
Yooka-Laylee (Yooka-Laylee series)
Agumon (Digimon series)
Henry Fleming (Code Name: S.T.E.A.M.)
Solaire of Astora (Dark Souls)
Kratos (God of War)
Ivan (Devil's Third)
Aisya (ASH: Archaic Sealed Heat)
Chrono (Chrono series)
Miriam (Bloodstained series)
Doomguy (Doom series)
Master Chief (Halo series)
Mike Jones (StarTropics series)
Saki Amamiya (Sin and Punishment: Successor of the Earth)
Isaac (Golden Sun series)
Ty the Tasmanian Tiger (Ty the Tasmanian Tiger series)
Cuphead (Cuphead)
Andy (Advance Wars series)
Mr. Stevenson (Gumshoe)
Akira Howard (Astral Chain)
Black Panther (Black Panther) not the Marvel superhero, the cybernetic Black Panther from Konami's arcade game Black Panther.
Daitoyou (Nintendo Hanafuda cards) him though I would like him on the other hand because he represents Napoleon who was a real man I think probably "no".
Tengu (Nintendo Hanafuda Cards)
Mini Kangaroo (Nintendo Mini Game Series)
Nester (Nintendo Power Magazine)
Kevin Keene (Captain N: The Game Master)

 

[HyperSomari64]

What potential new franchises would you like to see in the next Smash game? Whether it be from Nintendo, 3rd party companies already represented, or new companies altogether.

Hyper Dimension Neptunia
All characters can be ok (except Vert for obvious reasons)
I wanted to say "Senran Kagura" but that's a different beast to tame.

 

[Arcanir]

Add to that the fact that in recent years, people have been obsessed with controlling the narrative and saying wild things like "um actually a retro slot isn't a thing" to shut down any and all discussion of him, and badabing badaboom, people are subliminally dissuaded from talking about him in favor of The Same Five Characters.

I agree with your overall post, but this was unnecessary. Saying that the retro spot technically wasn't a thing isn't the same as shutting down discussion over retro characters, it's just acknowledging that by how Sakurai stated he sorted out those characters, them being 'retro' was not the primary reason for some over others. One does not equal the other, and you know very well that people don't need any good reason to dismiss characters so trying to attach it exclusively to that argument reads more as a way to try to dismiss it then acknowledge it.

You've called people out for this type of false equivalency before so I'm surprised you're doing it here as a way to take a cheap shot at the other side of the argument.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I agree with your overall post, but this was unnecessary. Saying that the retro spot technically wasn't a thing isn't the same as shutting down discussion over retro characters, it's just acknowledging that by how Sakurai stated he sorted out those characters, them being 'retro' was not the primary reason for some over others. One does not equal the other, and you know very well that people don't need any good reason to dismiss characters so trying to attach it exclusively to that argument reads more as a way to try to dismiss it then acknowledge it.

You've called people out for this type of false equivalency before so I'm surprised you're doing it here as a way to take a cheap shot at the other side of the argument.

Even if there technically isn't a "retro slot", each Smash sequel has added at least one unusual pick who debuted on the NES/Famicom: Ice Climbers, Pit (and ROB is an accessory for them too), Duck Hunt, and even if it could be proof these slots are less "retro" and more "surprise" since it made plenty of post-NES appearances, Piranha Plant still debuted in an NES game. Wii Fit Trainer's pretty much the only proof it isn't supposed to be limited to NES or otherwise 80s characters.

 

[Arcanir]

Even if there technically isn't a "retro slot", each Smash sequel has added at least one unusual pick who debuted on the NES/Famicom: Ice Climbers, Pit (and ROB is an accessory for them too), Duck Hunt, and even if it could be proof these slots are less "retro" and more "surprise" since it made plenty of post-NES appearances, Piranha Plant still debuted in an NES game. Wii Fit Trainer's pretty much the only proof it isn't supposed to be limited to NES or otherwise 80s characters.

And that's the thing: The retro slot's existence is not necessary for older characters to be picked. Pit didn't need it for instance, Sakurai said he picked him for his popularity and wanting to take on a modernization of the character, Takamaru can be the same and he does not ride or die on that slot's existence (hell, regardless of its existence Sakurai has considered him twice, so we know it's not him being old that's the issue).

The bigger issue is that the Smash fanbase has a habit of tunnel-visioning on certain characters over others, and a reason isn't even needed to dismiss certain characters for certain fans. There are plenty of other characters that could be in discussion that just aren't because the fanbase is ambivalent and/or hyper focused on the top set of characters. Takamaru is not unique in that regard, and I'd love to see more characters like him talked about, but it's easy to get lost among other more popular characters.

 

[Speed Weed]

I'm just gonna say Murasame Castle is unironically one of my favorite "retro" Nintendo games, and I highly recommend it to anyone who has NSO. It's like Zelda 1 but as this fast-paced tough-as-nails arcadey action game, it almost feels like a proto-"character action" title in that regard. It's hard as hell but very fun

 

[Geno Boost]

i am curious to ask since Microsoft is part of smash how do you think Microsoft Entertainment Pack series can be represented?
the whole PC gaming era did start from that franchise they were also in Nintendo console as well
there are a lot of games in the packs

Windows representation isnt something that has been discussed much about in the smash community

 

[Ivander]

i am curious to ask since Microsoft is part of smash how do you think Microsoft Entertainment Pack series can be represented?
the whole PC gaming era did start from that franchise they were also in Nintendo console as well
there are a lot of games in the packs

Windows representation isnt something that has been discussed much about in the smash community

Well first, make the SkiFree Yeti an Assist Trophy, whether given a full HD re-imagining or has it's original graphics, like Sheriff.

 

[Geno Boost]

Well first, make the SkiFree Yeti an Assist Trophy, whether given a full HD re-imagining or has it's original graphics, like Sheriff.

i can see Yeti he was brought back 2 years ago to a new game

Get your winter clothes on and hit the slopes with a limited-time skiing theme for the surf game in Microsoft Edge 96! Can you avoid the yeti while taking a trip down memory lane?🎿

Type edge://surf/ into Microsoft Edge to play! pic.twitter.com/EJObcaTSGy

— Microsoft Edge Dev (@MSEdgeDev) November 23, 2021

also i can see Smiley from Minesweeper specifically using his PC-Engine design that matches with Pac-man

in term of stages i think Purble Place would be cool

 

[Perkilator]

Quoting myself from another thread:

That NASB 2 Story Mode trailer gave me yet more inspiration for notes Smash can take: have the Adventure Mode be something similar to Amazing Mirror if Amazing Mirror didn’t suck

 

[Wonder Smash]

Even if it’s true that a designated retro slot isn’t a thing, that doesn’t mean that we can’t still get retro characters. I feel like too many people falsely correlate the fact that something doesn’t have to happen with the idea that it means it can’t happen. The same goes for people that assume that just because something hasn’t happened yet, it means that thing will never happen. I feel like a lot of people focus too narrowly on trying to find patterns and dismiss anything that doesn’t fit into those patterns.

As for Takamaru himself, I’ve never played his games but I like the idea of a playable samurai in Smash. I wonder if he’ll get a reworked design like Pit did in Brawl. Takamaru’s classic design is just a little boring visually for my personal taste.

I also think some people are looking too hard into Sakurai's quotes, as if "surprise characters" can't also fill in retro slots or represent a retro era, like the NES. All he means is that these characters are just not what people normally expect. It really has nothing to do with what they represent. It would be silly and very doubtful if somebody were to suggest Duck Hunt as the retro rep just like how the Ice Climbers are and Sakurai instead says not many people are expecting them, so they can't be the retro rep....even though they technically can.

And yeah, I can also picture Takamaru getting the same treatment as Pit, though to be honest, I think Takamaru's design good enough the way it is. I can see why Pit needed a redesign but I have no problem with Takamaru's design. If he does become playable, though, I can definitely see them redesigning him in Zelda-style, which is a very fitting considering the game he comes from.

 

[fogbadge]

i am curious to ask since Microsoft is part of smash how do you think Microsoft Entertainment Pack series can be represented?
the whole PC gaming era did start from that franchise they were also in Nintendo console as well
there are a lot of games in the packs

Windows representation isnt something that has been discussed much about in the smash community

i'm feeling old again

 

[HyperSomari64]

also i can see Smiley from Minesweeper specifically using his PC-Engine design that matches with Pac-man

There's another japanese-exclusive port, on the Game Boy.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Quoting myself from another thread:

Wait.

Are you saying Kirby and the Amazing Mirror sucks? Or is there another Amazing Mirror?

 

[MasterCheef]

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[Speed Weed]

Hello, hello, SEGA news incoming

SEGASammy just released a new integrated report:

https://www.segasammy.co.jp/cms/wp-content/uploads/pdf/en/ir/ir_2023_web_all_e.pdf

A lot of it is them talking about the success of Sonic Frontiers, as well as expanding the IP to other mediums and having their other properties follow suit, as well as the same stuff they've been talking about in relation to IP revivals and how they wanna leverage these old properties to appease longtime fans, especially overseas (cited examples include Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi, Space Channel 5, Golden Axe, OutRun, After Burner, etc) and on a related note, they keep blabbing on about that utterly wretched "Super Game" intitiative of theirs, where they keep splurging ungodly amounts of manpower and budget on live-service AAA stuff no one wants (including corporate bastardizations of the aforementioned old IP) and holding that up as The Second Coming Of SEGA. Yeah I'm not a fan of this.

...Aaaaaaaaanyway, what matters here is this little image here. This is a list of what SEGA considers their "major", most successful in-house properties:

This is the same list as last year, but it continues to be an interesting resource. In case you're wondering, Aladdin, Beast King and Chain Chronicle are pachinko and mobile titles, so you don't need to worry about those. That leaves Puyo Puyo, Yakuza, Sakura Wars, Phantasy Star and Virtua Fighter as "core" SEGA properties that they consider to be marquee titles for them.

Out of those......as much as it pains me to say it, I think we're gonna have to cross out Sakura Wars for the time being. I love the series and think it's absolutely deserving, but it has a more lopsided regional presence than any of the others, is the least-selling of the 5, and has gone through a bit of a rough patch lately with no new game currently in sight. If we got a new thing and it gets localized again and does well, I would put it back on the table, but as it stands, it's not looking good.

That would leave the other 4: Puyo, Yakuza, VF and Phantasy Star. And I think that's a pretty good pool of what SEGA stuff one should look out for next time - these are what the company considers their "key" properties.

There's also an "acqusitions" section which includes Persona, SMT, Total War and Football Manager (I think only the Atlus stuff is really in contention here), plus a "licensed franchises" section that doesn't reaaaaaaaaally matter to our conversation, but in case you're curious, it's Project DIVA and Fist of the North Star.

Anyway yeah dassit

 

[HyperSomari64]

Hello, hello, SEGA news incoming

SEGASammy just released a new integrated report:

https://www.segasammy.co.jp/cms/wp-content/uploads/pdf/en/ir/ir_2023_web_all_e.pdf

A lot of it is them talking about the success of Sonic Frontiers, as well as expanding the IP to other mediums and having their other properties follow suit, as well as the same stuff they've been talking about in relation to IP revivals and how they wanna leverage these old properties to appease longtime fans, especially overseas (cited examples include Jet Set Radio, Crazy Taxi, Space Channel 5, Golden Axe, OutRun, After Burner, etc) and on a related note, they keep blabbing on about that utterly wretched "Super Game" intitiative of theirs, where they keep splurging ungodly amounts of manpower and budget on live-service AAA stuff no one wants (including corporate bastardizations of the aforementioned old IP) and holding that up as The Second Coming Of SEGA. Yeah I'm not a fan of this.

...Aaaaaaaaanyway, what matters here is this little image here. This is a list of what SEGA considers their "major", most successful in-house properties:
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This is the same list as last year, but it continues to be an interesting resource. In case you're wondering, Aladdin, Beast King and Chain Chronicle are pachinko and mobile titles, so you don't need to worry about those. That leaves Puyo Puyo, Yakuza, Sakura Wars, Phantasy Star and Virtua Fighter as "core" SEGA properties that they consider to be marquee titles for them.

Out of those......as much as it pains me to say it, I think we're gonna have to cross out Sakura Wars for the time being. I love the series and think it's absolutely deserving, but it has a more lopsided regional presence than any of the others, is the least-selling of the 5, and has gone through a bit of a rough patch lately with no new game currently in sight. If we got a new thing and it gets localized again and does well, I would put it back on the table, but as it stands, it's not looking good.

That would leave the other 4: Puyo, Yakuza, VF and Phantasy Star. And I think that's a pretty good pool of what SEGA stuff one should look out for next time - these are what the company considers their "key" properties.

There's also an "acqusitions" section which includes Persona, SMT, Total War and Football Manager (I think only the Atlus stuff is really in contention here), plus a "licensed franchises" section that doesn't reaaaaaaaaally matter to our conversation, but in case you're curious, it's Project DIVA and Fist of the North Star.

Anyway yeah dassit

What if Sakurai go nuts and adds Aladdin as the first pachislot rep?
(At least they ain't Konami to do this manuveur)