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not happening. lore means nothing to smash
Alright, time to explain my picks:
I appreciate your honesty.
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I honestly don’t see arle as true puzzle rep as puyo puyo is simply a spin-off and arle did not originate from puyo puyo I rather see canon arle
I mean, lore isn’t the only reason for his inclusion. He was the character who gave Link many of his abilities in the game. Mechanically, he would make perfect sense to be added to show off those abilities in Smash. He could also go the champion summoning route and utilize their skills as well. Finally, he has a really unique design and to my knowledge, is a completely new race for the Zelda franchise.
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It is no longer late so I will explain my choices.
1. Sol BadguyOut of curiosity, I'd like to pose a query to you all with this sort of thing in mind - because let's be honest, I don't think new first-party picks would be a huge deal in some sort of third fighter's pass compared to third-party picks like, idk, Reimu, Doomguy or Jesus Christ from The Bible Game.
If Nintendo had finalised the documentation for a hypothetical Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Deluxe, in which the roster is brought from 89 to 100 (including all previous DLC picks and whatnot) and also decided to announce it today, which eleven picks do you feel would be likely to see in a project of that ilk? I'd love to see your thoughts!
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For a quick rundown and explanations,
- Tom Nook would be a unique fighter who'd predominantly have a more laid-back vibe compared to Villager or Isabelle, and whilst he wouldn't have access to the Pocket, he would have a lot of moves centred around furniture and the like to give him more outright power and range, at the cost of a little less speed and manouverability.
- Framme & Clanne are the token Fire Emblem flavour-of-the-month reps, chosen because Engage is the most recent game. Whilst Alear is probably the obvious (and objectively correct) pick, I think it'd be interesting to have these two given their prominent early-game role. In terms of gameplay, you play as Framme using her brawling skills, but Clanne (in the background) can be used to cast spells or provide buffs.
- Gholdengo is the token Pokémon rep for Generation 9 (skipping over Generation 8, unfortunately) and is chosen partially because of its notable placement in the Pokédex, the marketing surrounding it, and a desire to have someone a little unique in the roster. Note how I mentioned Tom Nook has more of a focus on furniture - that's because the money-centric moveset goes to Gholdengo.
- Sidon is the pick I'm suggesting for the Zelda series, because whilst I agree that the series would benefit from the first wholly new character since (technically) Melee, I think Sidon's actually in a good spot for this - being a prominent side character in both BotW and TotK with a large following and generally a cool design. His moveset would focus on his use of a trident, as well as his ability to control water.
- Mio is the last wholly new first-party pick, chosen because I think Xenoblade Chronicles 3 does warrant a character... plus, her fighting style and vibe would be a lot more unique than Noah's. That said, for her Final Smash, Noah of course would arrive to allow the pair to become an Ouroboros. As for her general fighting style - her discs would lend well to an up-close scrapper of sorts, though I imagine she could possibly throw them in a TRON-like manner.
- Louie (Olimar ε) is our first of two Echo Fighters, I think Louie is more than justified in this role and would make a lot of sense. He's heavier and a bit slower than Olimar, representing his lazier nature, as well as featuring a slightly different hitbox. He also has a few new moves here and there (namely, Swooping Snitchbug as his up special and a couple of others), but is otherwise pretty similar on a conceptual level.
- Octoling (Inkling ε) is a little more like Ken, in that whilst they share similar attributes and a skeleton to Inkling (as well as the Ink mechanic), many of their attacks are completely different, using different weapons and animations. However, many of them tend to fulfil a similar enough role. Octoling's generally a little less focused on the excitement of Inkling, and more focused on precision and professionalism. Perhaps controversially, their default design will be from Splatoon 3, though Agent 10008 as seen in Octo Expansion will of course be an alt (similar to how Agent 3 was an alt for Inkling.)
- Bub is our first third-party character, picked for a few reasons. Firstly, the inclusion of both Hero and Sephiroth indicate that Square Enix are willing to play ball - but more prominently, Bub would be our representative for Taito, perhaps one of the biggest missing areas in the Smash series' general representation. Plus, I think he could have a really fun moveset involving elements from both Bubble Bobble and Puzzle Bobble.
- Arle is our second third-party newcomer, picked because of the long-lasting popularity and prominence of the Puyo Puyo series, as well as the ability to represent SEGA a little more beyond just Sonic and then Atlus and technically Platinum Games. Plus, she'd have a massive amount of potential given her puzzle game origins (and isn't limited, like Dr. Mario, to being a semi-clone), not to mention her magical skills from the Madou Monogatari series.
- Hunter, specifically in their Rise design, is my third third-party pick. I think Capcom makes a lot of sense here, but including another Street Fighter character felt a little foolish, and whilst another Mega Man pick could be fun, I decided against it. Plus, Hunter has a lot of potential given their use of seemingly all kinds of weapons, allies, and tools, such as the newly-added Wirebug! Oh, and give them gender alts and alts with different armour types, too.
- Ryu Hayabusa is my last pick, someone I think people would appreciate. Koei-Tecmo are already playing ball with Smash as is, but haven't added much of their own stuff into the game as of yet - so, Ryu, as a classic Nintendo icon and someone with continuing relevance through the modern reboots, makes a lot of sense. Perhaps controversially, I'd suggest his moveset should take more from the reboots with minor elements from the classic games, with his classic alt as an alternate, secondary costume. It'd give him a little breathing room compared to both Simon and Mega Man (two other NES-era characters kind of saddled with the idea of "representing their game's playstyle".)
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This is an interesting stance to take because you're technically not wrong, but Puyo Puyo has pretty much eclipsed Madou Monogatari entirely and become the dominant franchise. And spinoff or not, Puyo Puyo is one of the most influential names in the genre. Its legacy definitely stands on its own.
I like the HW design better than AoC, sure, though I see the appeal for both. I mean the HW design is kind of how I imagine she would have looked if she had become playable in Smash around that same time, hypothetically.
i can certainly give you a more concise answer for raru. now first of all i do like the character and do think it would be kind of fun to have him but it's my own perception of the smash roster's section process that makes me feel he's unlikely. i can think of one character who chosen for their moveset potential so potential mechanics don't seem to matter. shame really cause there are plenty of characters who i'd be curious to see what he'd do with their abilities. as we all know story importance doesn't mean a thing to smash i think we've seen enough picks to go with that. so i don't really think he has anything going for him unless sak really wants a character to rep totk which strikes me as unlikely
That would be interesting to see as they are almost completely different characters both looks and personality wise. I would personally just rather see more stoic female characters in Smash but I’ll accept either version of Impa. I was a bit bummed when they changed Zelda in Ultimate to another bubbly, cheery character. Not that there’s anything wrong with that archetype either, it’s just that Smash already has so many of those in my opinion. That and TP Zelda was by far my favorite of her designs.
The one with RWBY? Yes, that one.
Nintendo OriginalsOut of curiosity, I'd like to pose a query to you all with this sort of thing in mind - because let's be honest, I don't think new first-party picks would be a huge deal in some sort of third fighter's pass compared to third-party picks like, idk, Reimu, Doomguy or Jesus Christ from The Bible Game.
If Nintendo had finalised the documentation for a hypothetical Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Deluxe, in which the roster is brought from 89 to 100 (including all previous DLC picks and whatnot) and also decided to announce it today, which eleven picks do you feel would be likely to see in a project of that ilk? I'd love to see your thoughts!
![]()
For a quick rundown and explanations,
- Tom Nook would be a unique fighter who'd predominantly have a more laid-back vibe compared to Villager or Isabelle, and whilst he wouldn't have access to the Pocket, he would have a lot of moves centred around furniture and the like to give him more outright power and range, at the cost of a little less speed and manouverability.
- Framme & Clanne are the token Fire Emblem flavour-of-the-month reps, chosen because Engage is the most recent game. Whilst Alear is probably the obvious (and objectively correct) pick, I think it'd be interesting to have these two given their prominent early-game role. In terms of gameplay, you play as Framme using her brawling skills, but Clanne (in the background) can be used to cast spells or provide buffs.
- Gholdengo is the token Pokémon rep for Generation 9 (skipping over Generation 8, unfortunately) and is chosen partially because of its notable placement in the Pokédex, the marketing surrounding it, and a desire to have someone a little unique in the roster. Note how I mentioned Tom Nook has more of a focus on furniture - that's because the money-centric moveset goes to Gholdengo.
- Sidon is the pick I'm suggesting for the Zelda series, because whilst I agree that the series would benefit from the first wholly new character since (technically) Melee, I think Sidon's actually in a good spot for this - being a prominent side character in both BotW and TotK with a large following and generally a cool design. His moveset would focus on his use of a trident, as well as his ability to control water.
- Mio is the last wholly new first-party pick, chosen because I think Xenoblade Chronicles 3 does warrant a character... plus, her fighting style and vibe would be a lot more unique than Noah's. That said, for her Final Smash, Noah of course would arrive to allow the pair to become an Ouroboros. As for her general fighting style - her discs would lend well to an up-close scrapper of sorts, though I imagine she could possibly throw them in a TRON-like manner.
- Louie (Olimar ε) is our first of two Echo Fighters, I think Louie is more than justified in this role and would make a lot of sense. He's heavier and a bit slower than Olimar, representing his lazier nature, as well as featuring a slightly different hitbox. He also has a few new moves here and there (namely, Swooping Snitchbug as his up special and a couple of others), but is otherwise pretty similar on a conceptual level.
- Octoling (Inkling ε) is a little more like Ken, in that whilst they share similar attributes and a skeleton to Inkling (as well as the Ink mechanic), many of their attacks are completely different, using different weapons and animations. However, many of them tend to fulfil a similar enough role. Octoling's generally a little less focused on the excitement of Inkling, and more focused on precision and professionalism. Perhaps controversially, their default design will be from Splatoon 3, though Agent 10008 as seen in Octo Expansion will of course be an alt (similar to how Agent 3 was an alt for Inkling.)
- Bub is our first third-party character, picked for a few reasons. Firstly, the inclusion of both Hero and Sephiroth indicate that Square Enix are willing to play ball - but more prominently, Bub would be our representative for Taito, perhaps one of the biggest missing areas in the Smash series' general representation. Plus, I think he could have a really fun moveset involving elements from both Bubble Bobble and Puzzle Bobble.
- Arle is our second third-party newcomer, picked because of the long-lasting popularity and prominence of the Puyo Puyo series, as well as the ability to represent SEGA a little more beyond just Sonic and then Atlus and technically Platinum Games. Plus, she'd have a massive amount of potential given her puzzle game origins (and isn't limited, like Dr. Mario, to being a semi-clone), not to mention her magical skills from the Madou Monogatari series.
- Hunter, specifically in their Rise design, is my third third-party pick. I think Capcom makes a lot of sense here, but including another Street Fighter character felt a little foolish, and whilst another Mega Man pick could be fun, I decided against it. Plus, Hunter has a lot of potential given their use of seemingly all kinds of weapons, allies, and tools, such as the newly-added Wirebug! Oh, and give them gender alts and alts with different armour types, too.
- Ryu Hayabusa is my last pick, someone I think people would appreciate. Koei-Tecmo are already playing ball with Smash as is, but haven't added much of their own stuff into the game as of yet - so, Ryu, as a classic Nintendo icon and someone with continuing relevance through the modern reboots, makes a lot of sense. Perhaps controversially, I'd suggest his moveset should take more from the reboots with minor elements from the classic games, with his classic alt as an alternate, secondary costume. It'd give him a little breathing room compared to both Simon and Mega Man (two other NES-era characters kind of saddled with the idea of "representing their game's playstyle".)
Fair enough, you’re probably right about him being a bit unlikely. Still, I think there are several valid reasons why they could go with him so I’m not ready to write him off as a potential character. My most wanted is probably a unique HW Impa but there are lots of great options like Ganon, Midna, Skull Kid, any of the Champions, and many others.
Shez doesn't work as a Byleth echo in the slightest.
To be fair, Byleth doesn’t really work as themselves in Smash either. Sakurai kind of just made up a moveset gimmick for them and stuck them with it. I feel like the Sword of the Creator was interesting enough for its own moveset without needing to use the other weapons. But I agree Shez doesn’t work great as a Byleth echo.
Neither does Dixie for Diddy but everyone literally always mentoins it.
Thank you. I’ve been saying that for a long time. Sure, you could technically force Dixie into a Diddy echo but the two didn’t share any moves in the original trilogy. The closest they get is the peanut gun and bubble gum gun are similar in Tropical Freeze. For some reason a lot of people are fine with forcing Dixie as an echo but certain other characters with many more similarities get people upset at even the suggestion. I don’t get it.
Sure that sounds a little weird but i can kinda see it.
Zeraora over Lucario was so baffling to me considering Zeraora fights significantly more like Wolf than Lucario...Zeraora's not a calm, practiced martial artist. It's an incredibly feral wolverine-type fighter.
exactly
Wait, people actually suggested making Zeraora a Lucario Echo? That is so wrong!
use joker as an example and say if he appear in alot of dancing games after persona 5 is done and many years passes and these dancing games makes alot of money does that mean when joker gets in smash he will only reference dancing games? And would you call him a rhythm game rep?
This is a completely false equivalency because Persona Dancing All Night does not and never will have the impact and synonymy with the rhythm genre that Puyo Puyo has with puzzle games. And they are still releasing mainline Persona games (which again, is itself a spinoff from Shin Megami Tensei) which make way more money than Dancing All Night. There is no reasonable situation where this comparison makes any lick of sense - it's not like I'm saying Arle should represent Puyo Puyo Da (Puyo Puyo's own rhythm game spinoff). Madou Monogatari is (was, I guess) a dead franchise locked behind Compile - now D4 Enterprise - once Sega bought out the characters and the Puyo Puyo series. Specifically the Puyo Puyo series, Sega did not buy Madou Monogatari and themselves divorced these characters from their series of origin.
ok this is something i would like to see a mix of madou and puyo puyo is the better option
Me too, although I just have to acknowledge that Puyo Puyo itself is already a mix of Madou and Puyo Puyo. Arle shouts out the same spells during Puyo gameplay that she can use in the original games. Her abilities as a mage carry over, her relationship with Carbuncle carries over, anything that would be worth putting into her Smash Bros moveset outside of the Puyo themselves - and technically even them, I'm just referring to the behavior / role of the Puyo in the puzzle games - have foundation in her original appearances in Madou Monogatari.
I could get behind this.
I like the creativity, but the vast majority of these choices feel like they're subversive for subversion's sake. I can't really see any good reason to replace Villager, Olimar, the entire Pokemon cast, the entire Mother cast, and the entire Fire Emblem cast with Redd, Oatchi, Ash, Cynthia, Melotta, Kumatora, Lyn, and Edelgard. That's also not getting into the completely out-there ideas like cutting Diddy or making Peach, Yoshi, and Captain Falcon DLC.
Banger lineup.
Characters only HAVE one move in the original trilogy. And they play the same outside of that one move.
Pig Ganon is already perfect as a Boss. The last thing Zelda needs is another character that's already a Fighter.
Black Knight would work fine as the Ganondorf to Ike's Captain Falcon.
Diddy was more agile than Dixie to make up for Dixie’s higher jumps and the ability to float. Diddy does a cartwheel for a dash attack while Dixie does a hair spin. Dixie also holds enemies and objects directly above her head with her hair while Diddy carried them in front of his body. The way each held objects had a pretty big impact on who was better for particular situations. The original DKC trilogy were early platformers so of course characters aren’t going to have huge varied movesets but I think Dixie was at least as different from Diddy in DKC2 as Peach was to Mario in Super Mario Bros. 2 and no one argues they should play the same in Smash.
