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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

Gengar84

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In Let's Go Eevee, Eevee got special moves for each type it can evolve into:

Bouncy Bubble (Water)
Buzzy Buzz (Electric)
Sizzly Slide (Fire)
Baddy Bad (Dark)
Glitzy Glow (Psychic)
Freezy Frost (Ice)
Sappy Seed (Grass)
Sparkly Swirl (Fairy

So it wouldn't be limited to normal type moves like some people are thinking, even assuming it didn't evolve.
Yeah, I kind of forgot about that. I think that’s the perfect way to reference the Eeveelutions while still being true to Eevee itself. I take back my comment about Eevee’s moveset not being particularly interesting. Personally speaking though, there are many Pokémon I’d still like to see first but I’d be okay with Eevee too.
 

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Yeah, I kind of forgot about that. I think that’s the perfect way to reference the Eeveelutions while still being true to Eevee itself. I take back my comment about Eevee’s moveset not being particularly interesting. Personally speaking though, there are many Pokémon I’d still like to see first but I’d be okay with Eevee too.
Honestly, it's easy to forget those moves exist, because they're exclusive to the partner Eevee in Let's Go Eevee, a Pokemon that cannot be transferred to another game. So they made a first and presumably last appearance in one game.

I also wouldn't be super enthusiastic about Eevee, honestly. I think there are more exciting options too. But I figure those moves would be the solution to Eevee having an otherwise shallow movepool if Eevee was chosen.
 

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Ive been thinking about this too.

Ive always found it weird that Smash is a celebration of Nintendo as of the making of that game (Obviously) but because it comes out so early in the console's lifespan the celebration only applies to games that were relevant on the previous console for the most part.
Ultimate only got around this via DLC with Byleth, Pyra and Minmin.
It's unfortunate but timing always causes awkward oddities. Smash games take long enough to make that things can change so much between the project plan and the release date. It would be easier to stomach these realities if characters didn't get arbitrarily tossed to the abyss just for peaking at an inopportune time relative to the Smash releases, i.e. if the "there's always next time" mantra actually rang as true as it could.
 

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Honestly, it's easy to forget those moves exist, because they're exclusive to the partner Eevee in Let's Go Eevee, a Pokemon that cannot be transferred to another game. So they made a first and presumably last appearance in one game.

I also wouldn't be super enthusiastic about Eevee, honestly. I think there are more exciting options too. But I figure those moves would be the solution to Eevee having an otherwise shallow movepool if Eevee was chosen.
I would rather we didnt get another G1 mon tbh
 

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Honestly I'll bet a 2026 release for the next Smash.

Its all guessing in the dark but my rough expectation is we get the next console in fall 2024 with a 3D Mario and some sort of big selling possibly and evergreen title with it (Arceus sequel, maybe Mario Party) along with more modest but well liked stuff (DKC game, Mario Maker 3, Prime 4 perhaps)

2025 sees a decently strong second year with popular sequels (Ring Fit 2, next mainline Pokemon, some kind of Mario sports game) along with expected RPG titles (next Fire Emblem, Paper Mario release) and closing out with the big holiday title, Mario Kart 9.

Then come 2026 Smash gets its big showcase alongside the next Xenoblade, another 3D Kirby, & the next Animal Crossing. Either SSB or AC will be the big holiday game and do crazy business.
I predict Holiday 2027 myself because i think the next console is 2025 not 2024.
This is asuming the next smash project is a new smash, of course, if it's a port then probably a 2025 release along with the console.
I'm on the camp that the next project will be a Ultimate deluxe, i think it makes the most sense as it's what most of the fanbase wants and i think it would make more money in the long run, even though i'd rather get a new game myself with a new stage roster, better final smashes, an actual adventure mode like Brawl, no rage and whatever new mechanics they come up with, and i don't mean a reboot, just a regular new smash game like brawl or 4 were.


I'm not sure what games will release in 2025 or 2026, but i hope there's new IPs in the way, there hasn't been a new nintendo IP since Ring Fit or Astral Chain (idr which one came first).
 

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I know another Sonic character like Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Amy, and Eggman are popular choices for a new character in the next smash but I can’t really see myself getting behind them when Sega is so rich with incredible franchises

Puyo Puyo
Shin Megami Tensei
Like a Dragon
Sakura Wars
Jet Set Radio
Shenmue
Streets of Rage
Super Monkey Ball
Hell even Nights if you want another Sonic Team character.

I felt the same way about Square before Sephiroth thinking that Lara would’ve been preferable, in hindsight it doesn’t seem like Square was ever very happy with the Tomb Raider franchise, but now Sephiroth is one of my favorites so it could very well change but my gut reaction to a new Sonic character would probably be more of a sense of indifference than excitement that I would have for pretty much any other Sega character.
 

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I've got a question for everyone.

Let's say the alt. skin characters were separated from their base character (Alph from Captain Olimar, the Koopalings from Bowser Jr, the different Heroes, the Minecraft quartet and all of the gender-based alts.). What differences would you give said characters from their base character?

This can range from simple stats like their speed, size, and so on, to a completely different Final Smash and everything in-between.

To make things simple, the alt. skin characters would simply be their "default" alternate counterpart. So, Pink-haired female Villager, Blue-colored male Inkling, Male WFT, Female Robin/Corrin/Byleth, etc.

By the way, you all can choose an entirely different PKMN team for Leaf, if you so wish.
 
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I know another Sonic character like Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Amy, and Eggman are popular choices for a new character in the next smash but I can’t really see myself getting behind them when Sega is so rich with incredible franchises

Puyo Puyo
Shin Megami Tensei
Like a Dragon
Sakura Wars
Jet Set Radio
Shenmue
Streets of Rage
Super Monkey Ball
Hell even Nights if you want another Sonic Team character.

I felt the same way about Square before Sephiroth thinking that Lara would’ve been preferable, in hindsight it doesn’t seem like Square was ever very happy with the Tomb Raider franchise, but now Sephiroth is one of my favorites so it could very well change but my gut reaction to a new Sonic character would probably be more of a sense of indifference than excitement that I would have for pretty much any other Sega character.
If they put Yakuza in smash they could put a "Sega arcade medley" because you can play a lot of Sega's arcade catalogue in these games.

So a medley of songs from Puyo Puyo, Cyber troopers Virtua on, Virtua fighter, Fighting vipers and Sonic the fighters.
The most realistic chance we would ever get at having "In the blue sky" in smash brothers lol
What a banger.
 

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Do you guys think TotK will get DLC?
 

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I've got a question for everyone.

Let's say the alt. skin characters were separated from their base character (Alph from Captain Olimar, the Koopalings from Bowser Jr, the different Heroes, the Minecraft quartet and all of the gender-based alts.). What differences would you give said characters from their base character?

This can range from simple stats like their speed, size, and so on, to a completely different Final Smash and everything in-between.

To make things simple, the alt. skin characters would simply be their "default" alternate counterpart. So, Pink-haired female Villager, Blue-colored male Inkling, Male WFT, Female Robin/Corrin/Byleth, etc.

By the way, you all can choose an entirely different PKMN team for Leaf, if you so wish.
For Alph, I’d just have him use a single Rock Pikmin that weighs the same as three Pikmin for Olimar and give Alph some of Olimar’s custom moves from Sm4sh. Really, I think giving Echoes some of the custom moves of their parent fighters was a missed opportunity.
 

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I know another Sonic character like Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Amy, and Eggman are popular choices for a new character in the next smash but I can’t really see myself getting behind them when Sega is so rich with incredible franchises

Puyo Puyo
Shin Megami Tensei
Like a Dragon
Sakura Wars
Jet Set Radio
Shenmue
Streets of Rage
Super Monkey Ball
Hell even Nights if you want another Sonic Team character.

I felt the same way about Square before Sephiroth thinking that Lara would’ve been preferable, in hindsight it doesn’t seem like Square was ever very happy with the Tomb Raider franchise, but now Sephiroth is one of my favorites so it could very well change but my gut reaction to a new Sonic character would probably be more of a sense of indifference than excitement that I would have for pretty much any other Sega character.

I could see Streets of Rage, SMT, Like a Dragon and Angry Birds (owned by SEGA now) getting a rep.
But the rest might be too niche (i dislike this word...) to get playable representation (They seem more AT and mii costume type of characters). specially over a Sonic character.
I honestly think Tails is next in line for a SEGA rep, Sonic has been around for 3 games and it's franchise is extremely iconic, i think it deserves a 2nd rep at this point even if it would be "boring" for some, i'd definitely take Tails over a Virtua Fighter rep at very least, idk but Akira seems boring to me.
 
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I could see Streets of Rage, SMT, Like a Dragon and Angry Birds (owned by SEGA now) getting a rep.
But the rest might be too niche (i dislike this word...) to get playable representation (They seem more AT and mii costume type of characters). specially over a Sonic character.
I honestly think Tails is next in line for a SEGA rep, Sonic has been around for 3 games and it's franchise is extremely iconic, i think it deserves a 2nd rep at this point even if it would be "boring" for some, i'd definitely take Tails over a Virtua Fighter rep at very least, idk but Akira seems boring to me.
I never really played Streets of Rage until I bought SoR 4 a year ago. I thought it was a lot of fun. As usual, my favorite characters were more minor than the main 2. My favorite was Estel Aguiarre followed by Floyd Iraia but I think they were all pretty cool. I’d be pretty happy with either Axel or Blaze.
 

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I know another Sonic character like Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Amy, and Eggman are popular choices for a new character in the next smash but I can’t really see myself getting behind them when Sega is so rich with incredible franchises

Puyo Puyo
Shin Megami Tensei
Like a Dragon
Sakura Wars
Jet Set Radio
Shenmue
Streets of Rage
Super Monkey Ball
Hell even Nights if you want another Sonic Team character.

I felt the same way about Square before Sephiroth thinking that Lara would’ve been preferable, in hindsight it doesn’t seem like Square was ever very happy with the Tomb Raider franchise, but now Sephiroth is one of my favorites so it could very well change but my gut reaction to a new Sonic character would probably be more of a sense of indifference than excitement that I would have for pretty much any other Sega character.
The one problem is that literally most of Sega's franchises are long dead and haven't got anything new making them kind of forgotten...

When was the last time we got a Jet Set Radio game or a new Ecco the Dolphin?
 

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The one problem is that literally most of Sega's franchises are long dead and haven't got anything new making them kind of forgotten...

When was the last time we got a Jet Set Radio game or a new Ecco the Dolphin?
You know there's a lot more Sega games than the dead ones right?

If most of Sega's IPs were dead, they would be dead.
 

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You know there's a lot more Sega games than the dead ones right?

If most of Sega's IPs were dead, they would be dead.
Not to mention, it is said that they are reviving a few games like Jet Set Radio itself, and Comix Zone.


Like I said, it is said, maybe not confirmed, though I heard Jet Set Radio was coming back before this came up.
 

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I don’t know if it’s just me but I have such a huge backlog of games I bought but still need to finish that it’s really hard to find time for anything new. On top of that, Smash modding and playing it takes up most of my time I spend gaming lately. For that reason, it’s harder to get hyped about Smash directs without the possibility of another Smash newcomer.

Regarding Smash, my brother and I finally learned the basics of simple model imports last week so that’s a huge step. We’ve already released one character mod and are in the process of another. I also made 18 voice mods for various characters. I haven’t made a voice mod in 7 years or a character mod in close to 15. Even then, I was just vertex editing and last week was our first true model import ever.
 

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I never really played Streets of Rage until I bought SoR 4 a year ago. I thought it was a lot of fun. As usual, my favorite characters were more minor than the main 2. My favorite was Estel Aguiarre followed by Floyd Iraia but I think they were all pretty cool. I’d be pretty happy with either Axel or Blaze.
I've never played it, but it would be cool to have a beat them up rep, and i think SoR is iconic enough to deserve a rep.


My top 5 choices for SEGA representation:
  • Dr. Eggman (playable)
  • Arle (playable)
  • Sakura Shinguji (playable)
  • Magician Type-0 (Assist Trophy / boss)
  • Opa-Opa (Assist Trophy)
Sakura would be cool too, i've never played the Sakura Wars games, but in her playable apareance in Project x Zone 1 and 2, she seemed badass, plus she has a really cool soundtrack like:
Unfortunately, i'm not sure if it's popular enough to get a rep, i'm also not 100% sure if it started as a videogame or not, since idk much about the series.
 

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I've never played it, but it would be cool to have a beat them up rep, and i think SoR is iconic enough to deserve a rep.




Sakura would be cool too, i've never played the Sakura Wars games, but in her playable apareance in Project x Zone 1 and 2, she seemed badass, plus she has a really cool soundtrack like:
Unfortunately, i'm not sure if it's popular enough to get a rep, i'm also not 100% sure if it started as a videogame or not, since idk much about the series.
Yeah, it would be cool to see a Beat ‘em Up rep in Smash. I think there’s a lot of cool options like River City, Double Dragon, Final Fight, or Streets of Rage but my personal favorite that I’m rooting for is Battletoads. They are my brother’s favorite game characters and they have such fun and unique designs and attacks that they’d fit right in Smash.
 

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Unfortunately, i'm not sure if it's popular enough to get a rep, i'm also not 100% sure if it started as a videogame or not, since idk much about the series.
Sakura Wars absolutely started as a video game series but in Japan, it has quite a few adaptations including OVAs and live-action stage shows which it's also famous for.

The one problem is that literally most of Sega's franchises are long dead and haven't got anything new making them kind of forgotten...

When was the last time we got a Jet Set Radio game or a new Ecco the Dolphin?
Most of SEGA's franchises are long dead because they've been around for like 60 years and produced a ridiculous number of franchises under their belts. That being said, they're still actively developing a lot of games - you can see it from even a cursory look at their online storefront.

And like, neither JSR nor Ecco are remotely big series for SEGA so for them to not get new titles doesn't mean all that much.

You know there's a lot more Sega games than the dead ones right?

If most of Sega's IPs were dead, they would be dead.
I feel like a lot of the perception about SEGA supposedly not having any active IPs seems to come from people who mainly know them from their console days or nostalgia throwback stuff - which do feature quite a few series they don't do much with nowadays... even though they've been bringing back a lot of games lately. Like, there's a new Samba de Amigo game that just came out.
 

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Sakura would be cool too, i've never played the Sakura Wars games, but in her playable apareance in Project x Zone 1 and 2, she seemed badass, plus she has a really cool soundtrack like:
Unfortunately, i'm not sure if it's popular enough to get a rep, i'm also not 100% sure if it started as a videogame or not, since idk much about the series.
Yeah, Sakura Wars started as a game on the Sega Saturn in 1996, though I understand the series is pretty niche compared to SEGA’s other franchises.
 

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I could see Streets of Rage, SMT, Like a Dragon and Angry Birds (owned by SEGA now) getting a rep.
But the rest might be too niche (i dislike this word...) to get playable representation (They seem more AT and mii costume type of characters). specially over a Sonic character.
I honestly think Tails is next in line for a SEGA rep, Sonic has been around for 3 games and it's franchise is extremely iconic, i think it deserves a 2nd rep at this point even if it would be "boring" for some, i'd definitely take Tails over a Virtua Fighter rep at very least, idk but Akira seems boring to me.
I personally don't see how something like Puyo Puyo is "more niche" or "less likely" than Streets of Rage

Also yeah, I get being tired of the Sonic/Yakuza/Persona stream and all, but I feel like literally every time SEGA pops into discussion, someone pipes up like "wow they sure have a lot of dead franchises amirite fellas? ahyuckhyuck" to the point where they become almost entirely pigeonholed as The Dead Franchise Company and almost all discussion of them revolves around how they're an evil company that killed your family because they didn't make Ristar 2. Not only are they not unique in this regard - almost every major long-running video game company has a veritable backlog of dead properties - as has been pointed out, like....of course they're going to have a lot of dead series because they've been for over 60 years in the business and were insanely prolific. Not only that, but the main sticking point here is that a ton of the old major developers who worked on these old properties are not at the company anymore. They saw a huge exodus of major talent in the 2000s, and we've recently lost people like Kodama (who died) and Nagoshi (who was kicked out) as well. Sure, you could make new entries without them, and they look to be doing just that in the future, I'm just saying don't be surprised if a series whose creator left SEGA a while back hasn't gotten any new games in a while. It really feels like sometimes ppl forget that people make games, not companies, and that SEGA isn't a singular monolith that has remained entirely static for the past 40 or so years.

I'll be honest, like....I feel like there's often a bit of a divide between the way certain people talk about SEGA. You have the more hardcore fans who take a deeper interest in all the history and know how things work, and then you have the ppl whose SEGA exposure is more surface-level and mostly comes from stuff like All-Stars Racing or the Mega Drive collections, but who consider themselves just as much of an authority on the subject. And not to sound like a snob, but oftentimes it really feels like it's the latter group who keep regurgitating these narratives that are kind of false but have been repeated a million times and have become The Go-To Cool Thing To Say whenever SEGA is the topic, such as, indeed, the whole "SEGA hates their old games where's jet set radio 3" dealio. It's a low-hanging fruit. I can really tell the difference in perspectives here and it can get quite annoying.
 
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I don’t know if it’s just me but I have such a huge backlog of games I bought but still need to finish that it’s really hard to find time for anything new.
Same. There's this one fe style game from a Chinese studio taking place during historical France and I've only played it once lol. Very pretty graphics, good story probably Great mechanics but I need to actually Play it lol
 

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That would be really cool, i think he would fit like a glove.
Also Reiji vs Sora would be a really cool matchup to see.
If so, Ryu, Ken, Chrom, Lucina and Kazuya have to be in his trailer so he’d be like “hey, it’s you guys again! Wait… why are you guys looking at me like that?” Being Smash and all
 

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I personally don't see how something like Puyo Puyo is "more niche" or "less likely" than Streets of Rage

Also yeah, I get being tired of the Sonic/Yakuza/Persona stream and all, but I feel like literally every time SEGA pops into discussion, someone pipes up like "wow they sure have a lot of dead franchises amirite fellas? ahyuckhyuck" to the point where they become almost entirely pigeonholed as The Dead Franchise Company and almost all discussion of them revolves around how they're an evil company that killed your family because they didn't make Ristar 2. Not only are they not unique in this regard - almost every major long-running video game company has a veritable backlog of dead properties - as has been pointed out, like....of course they're going to have a lot of dead series because they've been for over 60 years in the business and were insanely prolific. Not only that, but the main sticking point here is that a ton of the old major developers who worked on these old properties are not at the company anymore. They saw a huge exodus of major talent in the 2000s, and we've recently lost people like Kodama (who died) and Nagoshi (who was kicked out) as well. Sure, you could make new entries without them, and they look to be doing just that in the future, I'm just saying don't be surprised if a series whose creator left SEGA a while back hasn't gotten any new games in a while. It really feels like sometimes ppl forget that people make games, not companies, and that SEGA isn't a singular monolith that has remained entirely static for the past 40 or so years.

I'll be honest, like....I feel like there's often a bit of a divide between the way certain people talk about SEGA. You have the more hardcore fans who take a deeper interest in all the history and know how things work, and then you have the ppl whose SEGA exposure is more surface-level and mostly comes from stuff like All-Stars Racing or the Mega Drive collections, but who consider themselves just as much of an authority on the subject. And not to sound like a snob, but oftentimes it really feels like it's the latter group who keep regurgitating these narratives that are kind of false but have been repeated a million times and have become The Go-To Cool Thing To Say whenever SEGA is the topic, such as, indeed, the whole "SEGA hates their old games where's jet set radio 3" dealio. I can really tell the difference in perspectives here and it can get quite annoying.
Its funny because Capcom also has tons of dead franchises but people dont rag on them as much as Sega.

And in Capcom's case the franchises they own that are dead are pretty well known, Megaman, Darkstalkers, Viewtiful Joe, etc, etc.


Yeah, Sakura Wars started as a game on the Sega Saturn in 1996, though I understand the series is pretty niche compared to SEGA’s other franchises.
At this point it's kinda like Darkstalkers where Sega uses it's characters in crossover media more than their own series.

In the past 10 years we only got 1 new Sakura wars game but the cast have showed up in Project X Zone 1, 2, Super robot wars X-Omega and Super robot wars 30.
 

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Its funny because Capcom also has tons of dead franchises but people dont rag on them as much as Sega.

And in Capcom's case the franchises they own that are dead are pretty well known, Megaman, Darkstalkers, Viewtiful Joe, etc, etc.
See the other problem with the dead game narrative is some of y'all call active franchises like Mega Man dead.
They literally just released an offline version of the gacha game a few days ago and it teases X9.
 

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I know another Sonic character like Tails, Knuckles, Shadow, Amy, and Eggman are popular choices for a new character in the next smash but I can’t really see myself getting behind them when Sega is so rich with incredible franchises

Puyo Puyo
Shin Megami Tensei
Like a Dragon
Sakura Wars
Jet Set Radio
Shenmue
Streets of Rage
Super Monkey Ball
Hell even Nights if you want another Sonic Team character.

I felt the same way about Square before Sephiroth thinking that Lara would’ve been preferable, in hindsight it doesn’t seem like Square was ever very happy with the Tomb Raider franchise, but now Sephiroth is one of my favorites so it could very well change but my gut reaction to a new Sonic character would probably be more of a sense of indifference than excitement that I would have for pretty much any other Sega character.
watch the next sega rep be angry bird it’s the biggest SEGA IP next to Sonic now and the face of mobile games

Also Pretty sure square doesn’t own Lara
 
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See the other problem with the dead game narrative is some of y'all call active franchises like Mega Man dead.
They literally just released an offline version of the gacha game a few days ago and it teases X9.
That doesnt really count because thats just Capcom taking an old online game and making it available after the servers shut down.
 
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