No, I don't think it's worth more. I feel like appearing regularly in Kart and Party and Tennis and stuff is worth way more. Sure, his role importance is a bit more in this RPG than your average Kart racer, for example, but things like Kart put you in front of way more eyes and they're still playable roles nonetheless.
Well you're comparing multiple appearances to one, that's not fair. Of course appearing regularly is worth more. Either way, you have to start with the first reappearance.
At that point with the original game vs the remake, it depends how minor that role is. I mean, this means more than the M&L cameo. But usually the original will take it.
The context of that point was comparing Geno to other Mario characters, in which it is relevant that he's not as generally recognizable. I realize that I was thinking more in terms of the structure of the Mario roster there rather than thinking in terms of how Geno specifically would get selected, so sorry about that.
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If you think Geno only has a chance via filling a dedicated fan pick slot, then sure, his lack of general recognition compared to other Mario reps wouldn't be as relevant, though I don't think that it can be completely discounted even in this case. No matter how Geno gets added or the specific slot he is filling, you still have to reckon with the fact that you're adding a very small fish within his own series, which has to be a point against him even if he isn't directly competing against those same-series choices. Even the "fan pick" slot isn't just a straight-up popularity contest; the other factors are still relevant.
Geno isn't going to be able to get in any other way than as a fanbase pick, he's nowhere near major enough. If you eliminated his fan demand, he'd have no chance at all.
But yeah, characters aren't added in a vacuum, there are other factors that will affect Geno's chances, including the other Mario characters. I don't think they'll affect him as much as they'd affect each other, since he'd get in in a bit of a different way, and probably during a different phase (and because the chance of Mario getting multiple characters is higher than most series), but yeah, they're not completely irrelevant to each other.
But if we got Waluigi in base, and Geno didn't show up, I think him still being plausible for DLC would be entirely sound.
Yeah it's worth reiterating that while they have used "slots" and quotas before (probably because it's effective in narrowing down choices), not everything is so cut-and-dried and not every character that's deemed worthy is necessarily shoehorned into a particular bin. To be honest I'd prefer if they'd move away from slots and quotas for specific categories of characters but it's a practical mechanism, so I get the appeal.
Well they're not going to stop adding characters based on general merit, and I doubt they're going to stop adding characters due to the fanbase, so both of these things will continue.
Fair. I guess with GS in particular, it feels like there's such a small window for it to happen between the Mario sports games that I could easily imagine a remake coming out and not getting followed up; maybe it's just the fan in me wanting to be paranoid.
That seems possible. Sadly I don't think GS, even when it's successful, is as high a priority to Nintendo as the Mario sports games. That may be why they'd have to find a new dev to split the job with Camelot.
However, I don't think that's the kind of thing that would impede Isaac, if he actually got a remake, and the remake didn't, like, bomb. His case would improve regardless, it would just get even better with more games. Assuming the timing lined up so that it hadn't been years since that remake. Though timing has never really been kind to GS.
True, true. Maybe I should have just left that future comment out. Though it was a reference to the old Sakurai comment, "characters from a series that has no future are rarely chosen." Which could loosely apply to Geno in that his iteration of Mario RPGs might not have a direct follow-up after the remake.
I think that's more about unrepresented first-party series. That's probably not helped Golden Sun, but Geno is both a third-party, and Mario (since there's no reason to believe they'd classify Geno otherwise) is not a series without a future.
Yeah, that checks out for third parties in general. Though I was suggesting that if SMRPG remake was indeed testing things out for future games with Geno potentially in them, then that could still be a big deal for him, particularly because he lacks the existing name recognition that even dormant and non-relevant third party candidates tend to have.
Well I don't think anyone is denying that if the remake lead to an actual original sequel Geno's chances would improve even more, it's just that getting this game now improves them from beforehand regardless. Again though, this is less of a concern with third-parties.
Not every character needs to have a bright future ahead of them to be added anyway. Every time they add a character from a rotating series they know there's a chance this ****** never shows up in a mainline title again.
By fans in general? Well, obviously we are in the wake of an announcement and so things are going to skew towards Geno for now; we'll have to see if that perception holds on once the highs of announcement and release go by.
Tbh, without the status quo changing through future game announcements or eventual Smash developments, I don't know why it wouldn't.
As for me, I actually still think Isaac has a better shot overall (though obviously I am biased). Isaac doesn't have to deal with being generally unimportant within his franchise, he would represent a new franchise in a time when there aren't as many obviously stronger candidates for new first party franchises, and he doesn't have to deal with licensing/negotiation or competing directly with third parties.
All of that stuff is a mixed bag, imo. Isaac is the obvious choice for GS, but GS seems like a long shot without a new release.
Isaac is from a new franchise, but I think, at this current juncture, Astral Chain and Ring Fit would get in first. If AW continues, probably that too. I think Isaac would have to get in based on the fanbase right now, while the others could just get in based on recency, which is more reliable. And, in terms of the fanbase, he hasn't been highly demanded since he got deconfirmed way back in base. He's still hanging in there, but whether he can get back to where he was remains to be seen. I hope so.
And no, he doesn't have to deal with licensing hurdles. But on the other hand, third-parties are less subject to be hindered by their series not being in a good state, because Nintendo isn't really invested in that.
I also stated that I think he probably outperformed Geno on the ballot and seems more brimming in moveset potential, though I agree those are less solidly founded arguments.
I agree he probably outperformed Geno on the ballot, but the terrain has shifted since then.
Though both are fanbase favorites, Isaac is first-party and Geno is third-party, so the two likely won't bother each other much for a spot.
And yeah, there's not much point in pitting the Geno and Isaac fanbases so directly against each other. I do think Isaac is the all-around better candidate remake or no, but of course I am biased.
I'd rather get Isaac. But with this remake Geno just seems to have a better case at the moment. Though again, it's not one vs the other. A GS remake actually seems possible given Camelot's schedule, and then both would look to have pretty good odds for the next Smash, which would be great for the fans, knock off two more longtime requests. We'll have to see what happens when Camelot's game gets revealed... which could be any time now.
