Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Capybara Gaming]

I second this. I feel terrible that our country is ruining the whole world for everyone. For what it’s worth, I voted against this and I’m trying to get more active protesting and donating to charitable causes. None of us have the power to change the world ourselves but if we all pitch in what little we can, maybe we can actually make a positive impact and turn things around eventually. I just hope everything going on is enough to wake people up and take some kind of stand. As much as increased prices of video games suck, they’re the least of our concerns right now and the humanitarian crisis is a lot more important. But whatever it takes to get people activated, I’ll take it.

The sad truth of the matter is that it's probably not going to get better; when prices go up, they very rarely if ever return lower. So the more the incontinent cheeto puff raises, the worse off everyone, worldwide, will be. The only people he is looking out for are the rich, and the uneducated who voted him in; and apolitical people who refused to vote in one of the most important elections of all time have made everything unaffordable for everyone because the Elephant Dung party is good at manipulating dumb people with empty promises and outright lies, preying on their internal feelings to get votes.

So expect the next gen of consoles to be in the $600 dollar range, unless the government decides to do it's job and actually bother to remove this joke from power. Which they won't, because the rest of the government are also rich conservative oligarchs who don't care how much fragrant lawbreaking is done, as long as they get their tax cuts.

 

[Gengar84]

The sad truth of the matter is that it's probably not going to get better; when prices go up, they very rarely if ever return lower. So the more the incontinent cheeto puff raises, the worse off everyone, worldwide, will be. The only people he is looking out for are the rich, and the uneducated who voted him in; and apolitical people who refused to vote in one of the most important elections of all time have made everything unaffordable for everyone because the Elephant Dung party is good at manipulating dumb people with empty promises and outright lies, preying on their internal feelings to get votes.

So expect the next gen of consoles to be in the $600 dollar range, unless the government decides to do it's job and actually bother to remove this joke from power. Which they won't, because the rest of the government are also rich conservative oligarchs who don't care how much fragrant lawbreaking is done, as long as they get their tax cuts.

Pretty much but at the same time, we don’t have to just sit it back and let it all happen. The only possible way out of this is for enough of us to make our voices heard and reach out to help those in need. Everything has to start somewhere even if it’s just within your own local community. If video game prices never come down, so be it. I can find another hobby or just replay my old games. What I care more about is to work towards building a world where people are more supportive of each other and empathetic instead of letting themselves be manipulated through their prejudices. I think a good small start is to at least try to be respectful of each other online even when it has nothing to do with politics.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Pretty much but at the same time, we don’t have to just sit it back and let it all happen. The only possible way out of this is for enough of us to make our voices heard and reach out to help those in need. Everything has to start somewhere even if it’s just within your own local community. If video game prices never come down, so be it. I can find another hobby or just replay my old games. What I care more about is to work towards building a world where people are more supportive of each other and empathetic instead of letting themselves be manipulated through their prejudices. I think a good small start is to at least try to be respectful of each other online even when it has nothing to do with politics.

Oh to be this youthfully optimistic. It's a noble sentiment but one that has long since become impossible. For so many "making their voices heard" meant fifteen years of calling everyone who disagreed with them bigots, racist, a certain other word that starts with n, homophobic, etc on social media, and eventually, all the uneducated dumbbells got sick and tired of it. That's part of why he won. Because everyone wants to be an armchair activist instead of actually going out to help in their community. The correct answer should have been to block or mute and move on. Don't engage with that stuff.

The world's changed. Drumpf divided us and there is no fixing it anymore. But just as much to blame are all the online culture warrior social media addicts who sparked so much hatred. For a party that's supposed to be against discrimination, the Democrats sure like sparking unnecessary fights instead of just turning the other cheek. I'm a card carrying liberal but my god it sucks. The Republicans hate me for being liberal, the Democrats hate me for not being an activist about every little cause (I.E. you're not liberal enough!). It's so freaking tiring, man.

Bringing it back to gaming though, since it's the only thing that helps take my mind off this constant chaos, I'd like to believe that it can be a tool to bring people together. The vast majority of people aren't so politically charged as the extremists. But when no one can afford the things to help bring people together, all it's going to do is make this worse. Though with people like Mark Kern and Asmongold constantly stoking the flames of the never-ending culture war, even that may be too optimistic for me.

I just wanna play games again man. Pop in a new release and forget my troubles. Guess I'll just never get to do that again without thinking of the good old days before the Second Great Depression. Helping out your fellow man is all well and good, but so few will actually do so in comparison to everyone who says "why don't we help each other out anymore?" without a lick of self-awareness.

 

[Sucumbio]

Has anyone else played FF6 Pixel Remaster? GameCube is PS2 era so maybe we get FF12 on switch 2!

 

[Undella2]

Has anyone else played FF6 Pixel Remaster? GameCube is PS2 era so maybe we get FF12 on switch 2!

I haven't played the FF6 PR in particular, but I am in the middle of replaying the original mobile port version of the game that I had bought on steam before the PR came out.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Has anyone else played FF6 Pixel Remaster? GameCube is PS2 era so maybe we get FF12 on switch 2!

Final Fantasy XII (FF12) is already on Switch 1 by extension will be on Switch 2 unless you mean another remaster.

The only FF mainline game not on Switch is 11 which is only on PC and 13 onwards.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Getting the original version of Crystal Chronicles on NSO (and thus getting an actually decent version of CC on Switch) would be nice.

 

[Gengar84]

Oh to be this youthfully optimistic. It's a noble sentiment but one that has long since become impossible. For so many "making their voices heard" meant fifteen years of calling everyone who disagreed with them bigots, racist, a certain other word that starts with n, homophobic, etc on social media, and eventually, all the uneducated dumbbells got sick and tired of it. That's part of why he won. Because everyone wants to be an armchair activist instead of actually going out to help in their community. The correct answer should have been to block or mute and move on. Don't engage with that stuff.

The world's changed. Drumpf divided us and there is no fixing it anymore. But just as much to blame are all the online culture warrior social media addicts who sparked so much hatred. For a party that's supposed to be against discrimination, the Democrats sure like sparking unnecessary fights instead of just turning the other cheek. I'm a card carrying liberal but my god it sucks. The Republicans hate me for being liberal, the Democrats hate me for not being an activist about every little cause (I.E. you're not liberal enough!). It's so freaking tiring, man.

Bringing it back to gaming though, since it's the only thing that helps take my mind off this constant chaos, I'd like to believe that it can be a tool to bring people together. The vast majority of people aren't so politically charged as the extremists. But when no one can afford the things to help bring people together, all it's going to do is make this worse. Though with people like Mark Kern and Asmongold constantly stoking the flames of the never-ending culture war, even that may be too optimistic for me.

I just wanna play games again man. Pop in a new release and forget my troubles. Guess I'll just never get to do that again without thinking of the good old days before the Second Great Depression. Helping out your fellow man is all well and good, but so few will actually do so in comparison to everyone who says "why don't we help each other out anymore?" without a lick of self-awareness.

Youthfully optimistic? I’m turning 41 this month lol. Look, I know it might not make a difference but what’s the alternative? I know I’ll have a clearer conscience if I at least try.

Anyway, back on topic, since it was confirmed that Sakurai’s mystery project was Kirby Air Riders and we won’t be seeing Smash for a while now it opens up the door to more recent characters that might have missed their chance for the base roster otherwise. Are there any characters you really want to see that have better chances now that the development is starting later?

 

[BackseatSakurai]

Are there any characters you really want to see that have better chances now that the development is starting later?

Rhythm Heaven rep if the new game is fresh on the mind and/or sells well.

 

[WeirdChillFever]

Anyway, back on topic, since it was confirmed that Sakurai’s mystery project was Kirby Air Riders and we won’t be seeing Smash for a while now it opens up the door to more recent characters that might have missed their chance for the base roster otherwise. Are there any characters you really want to see that have better chances now that the development is starting later?

Oh man my full most wanted list basically. Tears and BoTW surviving another generation bodes well for Master Kohga, Toadette has picked up some main roles, Smash 6 being post-Final Splatfest bodes very well for victors Off the Hook, Zagreus or Melinoë from the Hades franchise looking better now that they are from, well, a franchise...Even Layton is back from retirement with him tackling the Steam World.

EDIT: And Silksong which is not dead could even bring Hornet to Smash and Hornet to me just has one of the cleanest power sets in gaming

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Youthfully optimistic? I’m turning 41 this month lol. Look, I know it might not make a difference but what’s the alternative? I know I’ll have a clearer conscience if I at least try.

Anyway, back on topic, since it was confirmed that Sakurai’s mystery project was Kirby Air Riders and we won’t be seeing Smash for a while now it opens up the door to more recent characters that might have missed their chance for the base roster otherwise. Are there any characters you really want to see that have better chances now that the development is starting later?

Don't get me wrong here; I'm not saying we shouldn't try. I just don't expect it'll do anything. I'll always advocate for being as best a person as we can be.

Maybe youthful wasn't the right word; staunch might be better haha. I wish I had your optimism, but the formative years of my life have been watching all this go down, so I just don't have it in me anymore.

As for your question, I think now's the time to get Kiryu if we're ever gonna get him, now that the Yakuza franchise is starting to come to Switch.

 

[Undella2]

As for your question, I think now's the time to get Kiryu if we're ever gonna get him, now that the Yakuza franchise is starting to come to Switch.

Haven't played or watched a play-through of any of the Yakuza games, myself. What could Kiryu's moveset entail in particular?

 

[Gengar84]

Don't get me wrong here; I'm not saying we shouldn't try. I just don't expect it'll do anything. I'll always advocate for being as best a person as we can be.

Maybe youthful wasn't the right word; staunch might be better haha. I wish I had your optimism, but the formative years of my life have been watching all this go down, so I just don't have it in me anymore.

As for your question, I think now's the time to get Kiryu if we're ever gonna get him, now that the Yakuza franchise is starting to come to Switch.

Believe it or not, I’m actually a pretty pessimistic person overall. I don’t actually have a ton of confidence any of this will actually work but it’s the only thing we can do right now and the only possible way anything can start getting better. So I’m going to do what I can with what little power I have.

To answer my own question, I think the later release might actually help the chances for two of my most wanted characters in Magus and Jinx. For those that didn’t know, Square-Enix announced that there are multiple projects in the works to celebrate Chrono Trigger’s 30th anniversary. If any of these projects are anything substantial, it could help drive interest in the series again and help. For Jinx, there are now two seasons of Arcane and Jinx has only grown in popularity since then. She’s also one of the ten fighters in the base game of 2XKO, which helps. I think the character has proven to have lasting appeal both through outside media and the longtime success of League of Legends as a game.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

Haven't played or watched a play-through of any of the Yakuza games, myself. What could Kiryu's moveset entail in particular?

I mean you could do a lot of things. You could make him a stance change character swapping between combat styles like in the games, or you could have his moveset be his legacy style which incorporated elements of all three.

His styles are Brawler (a pretty standard pugilist with a light focus on counter abilities), Rush (also pugilist based but focusing on faster weaker punches and ground dashes for evading), Beast (a slower, animalistic style that swings wildly and gets bonuses off using environmental improvised weapons), and Dragon of Dojima, which is kind of a middle point between all three in speed but is incredibly versatile with the best bits of all of them.

I'd probably go with just using Dragon of Dojima to keep him simple, but you could maybe tack on a Heat Action mechanic where he gets special combo finishers if his gauge is filled. Yakuza combat is incredibly brutal, so he could have some of the most painful looking attacks in the game.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

Getting the original version of Crystal Chronicles on NSO (and thus getting an actually decent version of CC on Switch) would be nice.

I hope Square Enix games are included in general or at least the ones that Sqaure aren't planning on rereleasing by itself. An example is how there are 3 Kingdom Hearts games (I know Disney owns the IP but both have to agree to stuff) that are only on Nintendo handhelds.

The GBA version of Chain of Memories, 358/2 Days and Recoded (when DS games on Switch Online happen). The latter two are stuck on DS because they didn't have time to remake/remaster them because SE had to make KH1 again because of the source code being lost. The ones in the collections are just cutscenes for the latter two.

 

[DragonRobotKing26]

As for your question, I think now's the time to get Kiryu if we're ever gonna get him, now that the Yakuza franchise is starting to come to Switch.

i don't know a lot about Yakuza,but if Kiryu was in Smash,it could be called "Like A Dragon",and a game called Yakuza could be a controversy,being called by a criminal association

 

[Opossum]

look at van hog’s starry night and tell me it is

You picked quite possibly the worst possible example to use.

Starry Night is quite famously a portrait of Van Gogh's view from outside his asylum window. That alone speaks to the politics of the time and the horrid treatment of those with mental health issues that persists to this day. Starry Night is incredibly political by nature.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

i don't know a lot about Yakuza,but if Kiryu was in Smash,it could be called "Like A Dragon",and a game called Yakuza could be a controversy,being called by a criminal association

I mean the series is called Like a Dragon in the States now so that's probably what they'd call it, seeing as it's always been the series name in Japan

I just don't wanna type that every time I mention it

 

[fogbadge]

You picked quite possibly the worst possible example to use.

Starry Night is quite famously a portrait of Van Gogh's view from outside his asylum window. That alone speaks to the politics of the time and the horrid treatment of those with mental health issues that persists to this day. Starry Night is incredibly political by nature.

I’m struggling with the logic here. Because the politics of the time got him in an asylum it’s therefore a political painting even though it’s just the view from his window?

 

[Fa7oFuru]

You picked quite possibly the worst possible example to use.

Starry Night is quite famously a portrait of Van Gogh's view from outside his asylum window. That alone speaks to the politics of the time and the horrid treatment of those with mental health issues that persists to this day. Starry Night is incredibly political by nature.

This is what I meant BTW, great point. If you look at Starry Night without considering the political reality of it's creation of course it will look apolitical but no piece of Art or Media is created within this bubble. Even Smash 4 to Ultimate could be seen through this political perspective given Kojima's bitter split from Konami during the Smash 4 era likely being a driving force for Snake's exclusion in that game. When Ultimate came around he was reintroduced only after the dust had settled years later. It might not be thought of as "political" in the traditional sense but businesses and employee relationship is inherently political due to economics and business being a political subject hence all Art and Media being political in that sense

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I’m struggling with the logic here. Because the politics of the time got him in an asylum it’s therefore a political painting even though it’s just the view from his window?

The art would not have existed without the politics of the time. Therefore there is some political meaning attached to it, regardless of whether it was intended or not.

 

[Schnee117]

Making your art apolitical (or as apolitical as possible) is also, ironically enough, political in of itself.

 

[Will]

I’m struggling with the logic here. Because the politics of the time got him in an asylum it’s therefore a political painting even though it’s just the view from his window?

They teach this in college Art History, man

 

[fogbadge]

The art would not have existed without the politics of the time. Therefore there is some political meaning attached to it, regardless of whether it was intended or not.

I’m sorry but that’s insane reasoning. By that logic everything is political

 

[Louie G.]

I’m sorry but that’s insane reasoning. By that logic everything is political

You’re getting closer.

 

[Will]

I’m sorry but that’s insane reasoning. By that logic everything is political

They teach this in college Philosophy, man

 

[Laniv]

I’m sorry but that’s insane reasoning. By that logic everything is political

Yes, it is. Everything is a product of the politics of it's time. Everything genuinely is political.

 

[fogbadge]

You’re getting closer.

They teach this in college Philosophy, man

Yes, it is. Everything is a product of the politics of it's time. Everything genuinely is political.

no people try and politicise everything but that doesn’t mean everything is.

 

[Fa7oFuru]

no people try and politicise everything but that doesn’t mean everything is.

I lowkey think you're just trolling us now, Immaculate bait. Even if you didn't understand the argument that Art is intrinsically Political before, after having people explain it to you I really doubt you can say this and genuinely mean it

 

[Will]

no people try and politicise everything but that doesn’t mean everything is.

Do you ever consider that if you’re the single out of a majority in something, maybe it’s your perspective that’s twisted? I know you say you’re the “stubborn Scot” but cmon brother, at this point your ignorance is derailing the thread

Even if you say it’s different Im locking this in as an L for you and moving on

 

[fogbadge]

I lowkey think you're just trolling us now, Immaculate bait. Even if you didn't understand the argument that Art is intrinsically Political before, after having people explain it to you I really doubt you can say this and genuinely mean it

oh sure I must be trolling cause I don’t believe everything is political

Do you ever consider that if you’re the single out of a majority in something, maybe it’s your perspective that’s twisted? I know you say you’re the “stubborn Scot” but cmon brother, at this point your ignorance is derailing the thread

Even if you say it’s different Im locking this in as an L for you and moving on

Have you ever considered that politicising everything has led to a lot of harm in the world?

also never use “I’m in the majority therefore I’m right” argument. the majority gets it wrong a lot

sometimes a picture is just a picture

 

[BackseatSakurai]

I agree that everything is political including all art - but I also feel like, to play devil's advocate a bit, I think there are plenty of times when the political lens is not the most appropriate or enlightening one to view particular works through. Everything being political if you look at it from a certain angle does not mean that the primary "voice" of a work is political in tone, or that analyzing it from that perspective is appropriate or useful from a critical perspective. In other words, "everything is political" is a statement that's true, but it's true in a similar way that "I don't truly know anything" is technically true - a way that isn't particularly useful in conversation. No, I can't verify the basic reliability of my own senses - but for the sake of having a meaningful conversation about the topic at hand, there's no point in really dwelling on it.

I have no idea how this even relates to the topic of this message board, I just want cartoon mascots to fight each other.

 

[Fa7oFuru]

I also agree this discussion has gone on too long for what it's worth. I did contribute in extending it but to get back on the topic at hand of funny fighting game; I've recently been playing through the Trails series by Falcom and it's a really good set of JRPGs. Halfway through Trails in the Sky SC and Estelle Bright is lowkey in my top 5 most wanted fighters for next game now. I think she'd be really cool wielding a bow staff which allows for a very unique playstyle setting herself apart from other third party JRPG fighters

 

[Swamp Sensei]

oh sure I must be trolling cause I don’t believe everything is political

Is EVERYTHING political? No.

But is all art political? Yeah. Whether it's an appreciation for nature, the human body and life itself, or a hard critique on a government, art itself is political.

Gaming is an art, and almost all games have some political elements to them. The only games I can't think of any political elements for are like... Pong?

And even then the constant copying of Pong is pretty political in its own right. And that's without going into the idea of having a winner/loser may be political.

Essentially for game to be truly apolitical, it would have to have no plot, characters, real world parallels or real world controversy.

 

[fogbadge]

Is EVERYTHING political? No.

But is all art political? Yeah. Whether it's an appreciation for nature, the human body and life itself, or a hard critique on a government, art itself is political.

Gaming is an art, and almost all games have some political elements to them. The only games I can't think of any political elements for are like... Pong?

And even then the constant copying of Pong is pretty political in its own right. And that's without going into the idea of having a winner/loser may be political.

Essentially for game to be truly apolitical, it would have to have no plot, characters, real world parallels or real world controversy.

I can sort of see the logic there. Perhaps what I should say is we need to learn to de-politicise things. Art should be about the feeling the artist wants to express. Naturally sometimes the feeling is to tell politicians what they think of them. I once photoshopped the prime minister into cruella deville for example. But art is far broader and more diverse than politics could ever be.

Mind you some of the things that pass for art these are about as insane as politics

 

[Gengar84]

look at van hog’s starry night and tell me it is

Weee!

Speaking of art, do you think we could see a new Mario Paint to take advantage of the mouse feature? I think the mouse has the potential to make creating stages easier in Stage Builder too.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

I can sort of see the logic there. Perhaps what I should say is we need to learn to de-politicise things. Art should be about the feeling the artist wants to express. Naturally sometimes the feeling is to tell politicians what they think of them. I once photoshopped the prime minister into cruella deville for example. But art is far broader and more diverse than politics could ever be.

Mind you some of the things that pass for art these are about as insane as politics

An art piece doesn’t have to directly reference politicians, political activists or policies to be political. It’s far more complicated than that.

 

[Noipoi]

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Speaking of art, do you think we could see a new Mario Paint to take advantage of the mouse feature? I think the mouse has the potential to make creating stages easier in Stage Builder too.

Probably. Or at the very least a new Mario Maker that borrows even more from Mario Paint.

 

[Fa7oFuru]

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Speaking of art, do you think we could see a new Mario Paint to take advantage of the mouse feature? I think the mouse has the potential to make creating stages easier in Stage Builder too.

I think I agree with Noipoi 's idea of the next Mario Maker drawing even more from Mario Paint. Mario Maker is already a spiritual successor of the Mario Paint/Mario Artist series so I think it'd be cool if the next Mario Maker added a functionality where you can design your own backgrounds for levels by drawing them to implement a Mario Paint-like mode. It could be a really good use of the mouse mode and basically combine the two ideas into one package

 

[NintenRob]

To stear the conversation to something less depressing. How likely do you guys think Melee is for NSO? It's weird Smash 64 was never added right? But surely Melee will be something they'll fight to include?