Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[fogbadge]

There's nothing against the law about it. If your merger is denied by a single country you can simply decide to...proceed with your merger, and just not do business in that country

The uk is four countries

 

[Sucumbio]

This is why you never count your chickens before they hatch.

Either The Competition and Markets Authority of the United Kingdom and Microsoft work out a deal or they don't.

If they don't, then other foreign trade officials in other markets such as the US and Japan will have precedent to also say no, forcing Microsoft to the bidding table to work out deals.

If they do, still other markets such as the US and Japan will have precedent to also say no, forcing Microsoft to the bidding table to work out deals.

 

[PeridotGX]

Enjoy not having those games in the UK then. That market is small enough that MS would rather just not do business there then give up on a merger this size.

Microsoft as a whole would need to leave the UK. No Windows, no Office 365, no Edge, no Azure. Any British website which is hosted by Microsoft, which I hear includes several Government ones, would be taken down. All for a relatively insignificant part of the company, in one of the only countries that even humors them when compared to PlayStation

The merger is dead.

 

[DarthEnderX]

If they don't, then other foreign trade officials in other markets such as the US and Japan will have precedent to also say no, forcing Microsoft to the bidding table to work out deals.

Japan already approved the merger.

Microsoft as a whole would need to leave the UK. No Windows, no Office 365, no Edge, no Azure. Any British website which is hosted by Microsoft, which I hear includes several Government ones, would be taken down.

That sounds like a bigger problem for the UK than it is for MS. It wouldn't be MS's responsibility to pull all that stuff. The UK would be the ones that would have to redo their entire system.

Not to mention, you could still just import Windows. MS not being able to do business in the UK wouldn't make it illegal to own or use their products there. It's not a trade embargo.

It basically boils down to this:
Is the UK market for Microsoft greater than the global market for the Activision Blizzard branch would be?

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

I posted the CMA and Microsoft thing more as an attempt to talk about how that affects some characters joining a new Smash Bros game more than anything.

What I means is (and while I would hate be the one to say this); could we get back on topic, and try to talk about how this thing can affect future newcomers in a Smash game?

 

[chocolatejr9]

I posted the CMA and Microsoft thing more as an attempt to talk about how that affects some characters joining a new Smash Bros game more than anything.

What I means is (and while I would hate be the one to say this); could we get back on topic, and try to talk about how this thing can affect future newcomers in a Smash game?

Honestly, we might have to wait and see how the appeal goea first. Lots of people were expecting the merger to go through, so this threw everything for a loop...

 

[Gengar84]

I posted the CMA and Microsoft thing more as an attempt to talk about how that affects some characters joining a new Smash Bros game more than anything.

What I means is (and while I would hate be the one to say this); could we get back on topic, and try to talk about how this thing can affect future newcomers in a Smash game?

I’m not really sure if this would help the chances of an Activision/Blizzard character getting into Smash but I think it’s possible. Nintendo already has a good relationship with Microsoft and they already have two characters in Smash so that could make negotiations easier. My biggest hope is that Microsoft can force them to address their toxic work environment. Most importantly, I just want people to be treated with respect but I also want to be able to be excited about their characters without all the baggage that comes with them.

Assuming Microsoft does end up with Activision/Blizzard, there are a ton of potential characters that Microsoft could go with. I wouldn’t be surprised if we get multiple characters from them again. They would own huge gaming icons like Master Chief, Doom Slayer, Crash Bandicoot, Arthas, Sarah Kerrigan, Diablo, Tracer, Spyro, and a ton more. There’s also the past relationship RARE had with Nintendo so I think it would be cool to see more specifically from them. My top picks are the Battletoads and Fulgore but Joanna Dark and Conker are all solid options as well.

 

[MasterCheef]

Switch Pro 2023 heating up

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https://www.gamescom-cologne.com/ , Aug 2023

 

[Diddy Kong]

Xenoblade 3 story DLC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x 888 Fire Emblem Engage story DLC, and it's not even funny.

Also yeah the Switch 2 coming out so soon kills all dreams of having DK and Golden Sun on the Switch. So ouch.

 

[Idon]

Xenoblade 3 story DLC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x 888 Fire Emblem Engage story DLC, and it's not even funny.

Also yeah the Switch 2 coming out so soon kills all dreams of having DK and Golden Sun on the Switch. So ouch.

Agreed.
They did not balance the Fell Xenologue at all.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Xenoblade 3 story DLC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x 888 Fire Emblem Engage story DLC, and it's not even funny.

Also yeah the Switch 2 coming out so soon kills all dreams of having DK and Golden Sun on the Switch. So ouch.

You say that as if there was a debate...

Also, how does Nintendo going to Gamescom confirm a Switch successor?

 

[Perkilator]

You say that as if there was a debate...

Also, how does Nintendo going to Gamescom confirm a Switch successor?

I think their latest known game project is Pikmin 4, and Gamescom is after that. This doesn’t necessarily mean a Switch successor, but the fact that Gamescom is taking place after Pikmin 4 comes out is pretty interesting.

 

[Gengar84]

Xenoblade 3 story DLC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x 888 Fire Emblem Engage story DLC, and it's not even funny.

Also yeah the Switch 2 coming out so soon kills all dreams of having DK and Golden Sun on the Switch. So ouch.

I want to try the DLC at some point. That’s great to hear that you think it’s worth it.

 

[Perkilator]

Speaking of Xenoblade 3:

This is officially coming next week.

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[MasterCheef]

Xenoblade 3 story DLC >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> x 888 Fire Emblem Engage story DLC, and it's not even funny.

what does this mean ??

I think their latest known game project is Pikmin 4, and Gamescom is after that. This doesn’t necessarily mean a Switch successor, but the fact that Gamescom is taking place after Pikmin 4 comes out is pretty interesting.

thanks

 

[Swamp Sensei]

what does this mean ??

Diddy likes one game more than the other game.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

As someone leaning towards a successor console not coming until the latter half of 2024, I think the most we'll get out of Gamescom is announcement of when the next system is coming out, if that. Heck If Nintendo holds any sort of Direct, (or even a partner showcase) that could fill out the rest of year before August, the event could simply easily be a showcase for whatever games revealed in June/July, no console announcement required.

 

[MasterCheef]

As someone leaning towards a successor console not coming until the latter half of 2024, I think the most we'll get out of Gamescom is announcement of when the next system is coming out, if that. Heck If Nintendo holds any sort of Direct, (or even a partner showcase) that could fill out the rest of year before August, the event could simply easily be a showcase for whatever games revealed in June/July, no console announcement required.

why ? What does it benefit Nintendo to wait until next year ?

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

More time both allows Nintendo to put their best foot forward via a strong launch library for the next console and prevent the current Switch sales from being too cannibalized by its successor system. The momentum of the latter is definitely winding down, but its still doing quite well and another 12 months means millions more of various Switch models sold; especially likely given the likely evergreen success to come from stuff like Tears of the Kingdom. Between that and some low key releases (last of the notable GC/Wii/Wii U ports?), its not hard to imagine the system being carried for another year before summer 2024 really starts seeing the Switch 2 marketing/hype kick in.

 

[SPEN18]

They've established a massive install base on the Switch and they're gonna want to milk that for all that it's worth. Eventually new hardware will be deemed necessary, but they have already stated their desire to make the Switch's success last as long as possible, and expressed optimism that it could last beyond most external estimates.

 

[MasterCheef]

They've established a massive install base on the Switch and they're gonna want to milk that for all that it's worth. Eventually new hardware will be deemed necessary, but they have already stated their desire to make the Switch's success last as long as possible, and expressed optimism that it could last beyond most external estimates.

exactly why Nintendo will market their next console as the Switch Pro

Nintendo Switch Is Not "Technically Capable" Of Running Call Of Duty Games, Says CMA

Despite Microsoft's confidence otherwise

www.nintendolife.com

Looks like if Nintendo wants access to the UK ; they have to come out with a better system. preferably this year.

 

[SPEN18]

Looks like if Nintendo wants access to the UK ; they have to come out with a better system. preferably this year.

The CMA is Microsoft's problem, not Nintendo's. The CoD deal represents a miniscule portion of Nintendo's overall business strategy that they could easily survive without. I can pretty much guarantee you that getting CoD ports on par with the versions of CoD on XBox and PS is NOT going to majorly dictate when Nintendo decides to go to new hardware.

 

[MasterCheef]

The CMA is Microsoft's problem, not Nintendo's. The CoD deal represents a miniscule portion of Nintendo's overall business strategy that they could easily survive without. I can pretty much guarantee you that getting CoD ports on par with the versions of CoD on XBox and PS is NOT going to majorly dictate when Nintendo decides to go to new hardware.

think of it more as a minor part of the decision, not the major one. still trending in the Switch Pro 2023 direction

 

[Diddy Kong]

Diddy likes one game more than the other game.

Particularly the DLC. Xenoblade 3 and Fire Emblem Engage are both great entries in their respective series, but the XBC3 DLC just triumphs FEE in terms of story content. XBC3 DLC is a great additional story line that adds a lot of debt and perspective so far, Engage story DLC is just... there. Doesn't do much for me at all.

 

[DarthEnderX]

exactly why Nintendo will market their next console as the Switch Pro

SUPER...NINTENDO...SWITCH!!

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Honestly, aside from the vastly outdated netcode (which is it's own problem), the Switch is still a pretty strong console that could last for even a few more years if they have enough strong first and third party titles to support it.

I actually wouldn't be entirely surprised if there's no announcement of a new console even next year.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I really don’t care who owns Call of Duty, or Crash, or Spyro, or Tony Hawk, or whatever else honestly. Usually a company doesn’t make a character any less or more likely when it comes to smash.

Now that I got the relevant part to the thread out of the way, this is a huge L for the industry. Golden Parachute or not, the Microsoft Merger was going to be the ONE thing that could bring real change to the absolute 3-ring circus of abuse that is Activision-Blizzard-King. But the lack of a merger and real consequences to the Managers at the company that ruined people’s lives doesn’t set a good precedent for the industry at large.

As much as I don’t care about the companies themselves, the fact that any and all creative talent at ABK will not only continued to be stifled but also continued to be laughed at, degraded, and abused for as long as Bobby Kotick remains at the top is heartbreaking. Love or hate Microsoft and their business practices, I’m heartbroken for employees who have poured their heart and soul into a company that will never treat them like human beings.

 

[fogbadge]

Looks like if Nintendo wants access to the UK ; they have to come out with a better system. preferably this year.

hey leave us out of it

 

[MasterCheef]

SUPER...NINTENDO...SWITCH!!

good name choice.

i still think Switch Pro is more likely , even if i like your console name choice better.

 

[dream1ng]

think of it more as a minor part of the decision, not the major one. still trending in the Switch Pro 2023 direction

Putting CoD on Nintendo systems is owing to MS, not Nintendo. It's a strategic move to invalidate Sony's claims of withholding the franchise. Nintendo is just a lucky benefactor here. Having CoD on the platform would be a plus, obviously they wouldn't turn it down, but Switch never got it, and look at how that turned out. They don't need the franchise to succeed, and aren't going to schedule their console release around an unrelated potential deal which has yet to not be in indefinite flux.

exactly why Nintendo will market their next console as the Switch Pro

Wanna make a pfp bet?

 

[Gengar84]

I feel like it’s too late for any kind of Switch Pro. It would have made sense a couple years ago but it’s getting close to the time that a console is nearing the end of its life. We don’t have any major games announced after Tears of the Kingdom so I think they are likely holding announcements for the reveal of the next generation. I not sure but I wouldn’t be surprised to hear an announcement about the Switch’s successor by the end of this year and be released some time in 2024.

 

[chocolatejr9]

I really don’t care who owns Call of Duty, or Crash, or Spyro, or Tony Hawk, or whatever else honestly. Usually a company doesn’t make a character any less or more likely when it comes to smash.

Now that I got the relevant part to the thread out of the way, this is a huge L for the industry. Golden Parachute or not, the Microsoft Merger was going to be the ONE thing that could bring real change to the absolute 3-ring circus of abuse that is Activision-Blizzard-King. But the lack of a merger and real consequences to the Managers at the company that ruined people’s lives doesn’t set a good precedent for the industry at large.

As much as I don’t care about the companies themselves, the fact that any and all creative talent at ABK will not only continued to be stifled but also continued to be laughed at, degraded, and abused for as long as Bobby Kotick remains at the top is heartbreaking. Love or hate Microsoft and their business practices, I’m heartbroken for employees who have poured their heart and soul into a company that will never treat them like human beings.

Now that I think about it, the merger not going through probably hurts ActiBlizz more than it hurts Microsoft. Not only would the harmful behavior continue (which I would not be surprised if it eventually led ActiBlizz going under, as unlikely as that sounds), but if certain rumors are to be believed ABK wasn't even MS's first choice for their next acquisition. If the appeal fails, what's stopping MS from just cutting their loses and looking elsewhere? ABK would lose both a potential lifesaver should the worst-case scenario happen...

 

[dream1ng]

I feel like it’s too late for any kind of Switch Pro. It would have made sense a couple years ago but it’s getting close to the time that a console is nearing the end of its life. We don’t have any major games announced after Tears of the Kingdom so I think they are likely holding announcements for the reveal of the next generation. I not sure but I wouldn’t be surprised to hear an announcement about the Switch’s successor by the end of this year and be released some time in 2024.

There were rumors there was supposed to a Pro sku, but the pandemic ****ed things up and by the time a release was feasible (which I think, though don't quote me on it, was allegedly last year) it was close enough to the actual next thing that they were like forget it.

That's not infeasible. Though it'd be a hell of a lot of R&D down the drain. Though I guess not completely down the drain, I'm sure it intersected with helping development of the successor.

In conjunction (though alleged separately) from that rumor was that third-parties were holding back more technically demanding releases to feature on this pro model, which I guess have now been held back even further. I believe some sources on that claim were among the more reputable, like NateDrake. Some of these rumors date back several years, which would be earlier than Nintendo giving out dev models of the next thing.

If Nintendo were following their portable model, this would add to the credence, since... basically all of them have had a "pro" model, in a matter of speaking. Game Boy Color, Game Boy Advance SP, DSi, New Nintendo 3DS...

But who knows. Either way, I think the actual next thing is approaching. And if these rumors are true, hopefully that means an impressive bank of third-party games. I believe we'll see it this year, and I don't think it's a coincidence that the known release schedule is entirely barren after July.

Though I also think Nintendo still has more ports/remakes/remasters coming for Switch which have yet to be shown.

 

[Sucumbio]

I recall earlier in 2022 the president of Nintendo reiterated that the Switch was "mid lifecycle" meaning a new console wouldn't be out until 2027! To me that's way too late for the next console. This year is TotK, Pikmin 4, and some random stuff like Etrian Odyssey, Diablo IV, etc. I think it's definitely a safe bet to expect a new console next year.

 

[dream1ng]

I recall earlier in 2022 the president of Nintendo reiterated that the Switch was "mid lifecycle" meaning a new console wouldn't be out until 2027! To me that's way too late for the next console. This year is TotK, Pikmin 4, and some random stuff like Etrian Odyssey, Diablo IV, etc. I think it's definitely a safe bet to expect a new console next year.

Technically the lifecycle of the system ends when the support stops, not when the successor arrives. Most successful systems do still continue to get support after the next thing shows up, albeit reduced. And Switch would certainly constitute a success. The 3DS was supported into 2019.

Also I wouldn't take that statement too literally, just because I really doubt we'll still be getting first-party stuff on the Switch in 2027. My interpretation is that the Switch still has/had several more years left, phrased a little generously/disingenuously for the sake of the shareholders present.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I can't believe there's gonna be a new console for Nintendo before a new DKC game on Switch. If it turns out to be so, the next console release of DK is gonna have to make up for this major loss! Like, literally all Nintendo first party series thrived on the Switch, except DK! And I guess Star Fox and maybe F Zero if they still count.

**** this is depressing.

 

[Wonder Smash]

To be honest, I prefer to let the latest Smash game to last about three years as a complete game before moving on to the next console that the sequel is going to be released on. While it's always hype to see which character is going to be in Smash, I don't want it overshadow everything else about the game. I just want to enjoy it as a complete game now, with no news or DLC. Just what the game is. Ultimate has enough in it that I think could last a long time before the next game is revealed.

 

[fogbadge]

I can't believe there's gonna be a new console for Nintendo before a new DKC game on Switch. If it turns out to be so, the next console release of DK is gonna have to make up for this major loss! Like, literally all Nintendo first party series thrived on the Switch, except DK! And I guess Star Fox and maybe F Zero if they still count.

well they still count as first party series but they're not the only two

 

[Perkilator]

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I don’t like all of this but it’s still a cool mod!

 

[dream1ng]

I can't believe there's gonna be a new console for Nintendo before a new DKC game on Switch. If it turns out to be so, the next console release of DK is gonna have to make up for this major loss! Like, literally all Nintendo first party series thrived on the Switch, except DK! And I guess Star Fox and maybe F Zero if they still count.

**** this is depressing.

Fwiw I do believe the claims that Nintendo has big plans for DK. Movie, increasing merch, Nintendo World expansion. It wouldn't surprise me if they're just holding on to the DK game (and all other unannounced high-profile games) for the next thing at this point, and made that decision a while back.

Which, if true, means it should probably show up pretty early. If the next thing also takes off, it would also help to be a launch-window/early release over a game that shows up at the twilight of this system.

To be honest, I prefer to let the latest Smash game to last about three years as a complete game before moving on to the next console that the sequel is going to be released on. While it's always hype to see which character is going to be in Smash, I don't want it overshadow everything else about the game. I just want to enjoy it as a complete game now, with no news or DLC. Just what the game is. Ultimate has enough in it that I think could last a long time before the next game is revealed.

On the other hand, I wouldn't want to sacrifice either the quantity of DLC or the earlier release of the successor system (assuming its ready and not rushed) for the sake of breathing room after DLC, especially since getting the next system doesn't mean getting the next Smash.

At the earliest, you'd still have two years between DLC ending and the next system.

I guess to each their own, but I wouldn't want to lose out on or delay something else just to have more time with something that... won't go away once something new arrives. Though I'd be with you if it came to annual-release series.