Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

Laniv · Mar 21, 2023

Music? Here's some music I want:

Akuma's Theme - Killing Moon [SF III.3]

Akuma's Theme in Street Fighter III : Third Strike

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Kaeru no Tame ni Kane wa Naru - The Prince's Adventure

The game's title translates as "For the Frog the Bell Tolls." It's a Game Boy game made by the same team as The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening. A characte...

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Toad's Factory - Mario Kart Wii

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Donkey Kong 64 - K.Rool Battle

The final battle theme

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Final Battle | Banjo-Kazooie

Music: Final BattleSource: Banjo-KazooieComposition Supervisor: Grant KirkhopeComposition: Rare LimitedPlatforms: Nintendo 64 (Nintendo Switch), Xbox 360 (Xb...

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Grunty's Furnace Fun | Banjo-Kazooie

Music: Grunty's Furnace FunSource: Banjo-KazooieComposition Supervisor: Grant KirkhopeComposition: Rare LimitedPlatforms: Nintendo 64 (Nintendo Switch), Xbox...

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LOGBOX 720 (Jiggy Challenge) - Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts [OST]

Game: Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts & BoltsMusic: LOGBOX 720 (Jiggy Challenge)

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High Above the Land (The Flying Machine) - Shovel Knight [OST]

Game: Shovel KnightMusic: High Above the Land (The Flying Machine)

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In the Halls of the Usurper (Pridemoor Keep) - Shovel Knight [OST]

Game: Shovel KnightMusic: In the Halls of the Usurper (Pridemoor Keep)

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Flare's Stage - Panel de Pon (Super Famicom)

Music from Panel de Pon (Copyright Nintendo, INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS)

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Hyness (Unhooded) Battle - Kirby Star Allies Music

Hyness Unhooded Battle music from Kirby Star Allies. Music belongs to HAL Laboratories and Nintendo.

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Welcome Your New Overlord - Kirby's Return to Dream Land Soundtrack

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CommanderZaktan · Mar 21, 2023

NintenZ said:
did a collage of some characters I want in Smash
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Is this the same from Source Gaming's video? What's the program or site?

HyperSomari64 · Mar 21, 2023

Since the music can't be stopped, here's a list i found in SmashWiki:

User:RickTommy/Music that must be in Smash games

Original page by User:PSIWolf I think that the Smash games really miss some cool music. Others also do. So feel free to add music you like to be in Smash games! No music that has already appeared in a Smash game may be added, but feel free to add...

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Perkilator · Mar 21, 2023

TCT~Phantom said:
How about we discuss something actually interesting, like music. What are some tracks you think are sadly missing from Ultimate? What songs would you like in the next Smash?

Get ready, guys. I'm focusing on songs that should've been in Ultimate and spoiler warning: it's gonna be a long list. (Songs highlighted in bold are hypothetical new remixes for Smash, and I will use some fanmade and other remixes as examples)

Battle - Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
Ballad of the Wind Fish
Dinosaur Boss Battle
Boss Battle - The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
Vs. Zant
Ganondorf
Groose's Theme
Vs. Ghirahim
Vs. Guardian
Vs. Strong Enemy

Brinstar Overgrown with Vegetation
Phendrana Drifts
Vs. Dark Samus
Vs. Dark Samus - Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
Skytown
Vs. Omega Ridley

Vegetable Val ley
Vs. Nightmare
Factory Inspection
Ripple Red
Checker Knights
Dark Meta Knight Battle
Dedede's Royal Payback
The Greatest Warrior in the Galaxy
Meadow Breeze
Vs. Grand Doomer (Super Ability) / Another Dimension
Must Dash / Reflected Laughter
Sullied Grace
Vagrant Counting Song of Retrospection
Song of Supplication

Battle with a Dangerous Foe / Poltergeist
New Age Retro Hippie
All That I Needed Was You
Otherworldly Foe
Cease to Exist
Fight with Mecha-Drago
MROB-6279M
Natural Killer Cyborg
Master Porky's Theme

Captain Falcon's Theme
The Meaning of Truth

Title Theme - Game & Watch Gallery
Octopus
Manhole
Oil Panic / Fire
Parachute
Chef
Vermin
Mario Bros.
Rainshower

Wii Dancing
Ashley's ☆ Revolution
Introducing Wario Deluxe
Battle with Wario
Stage 1 - Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3
Final Battle - Wario Land: Super Mario Land 3
Hurry Up! - Wario Land 4
Crescent Moon Village
Large Fry Cook-Off

Ai no Uta

K.K. Cruisin'
K.K. House

Yoga

The Days When My Mother Was There
Keeper of Lust
Life Will Change
Blooming Villain
Like a Dragon
Princess Amagi
Burn My Dread -Last Battle-
Heartful Cry
Knights of the Holy Spear
Normal Battle - Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne
Fierce Battle

Overture - Dragon Quest

Sweden (set this video to 1.25x speed)

Wonder Smash · Mar 21, 2023

I'd like some themes from Super Scope 6 to be in Smash, such as this:

"Super Scope 6" Music : 16 - Confront

All Nintendo Music HQ ~ Vol. 102 - Super Scope 6JAP : June 21th 1993USA : February 1992EUA : August 27th 1994 (Nintendo Scope 6)Composer : Hajime Hirasawaby ...

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But of course, there's also more like:

Warriors Orochi 3 OST - Ryu Hayabusa Theme

Warriors Orochi 3 Soundtrack Ryu Hayabusa Theme.

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Ninja Gaiden II - The Dark Sword of Chaos (NES) Music - Act I

Ninja Gaiden II - The Dark Sword of Chaos (NES) Music - Act I Download all my NES Soundtracks as MP3 here http://www.nes-snes-sprites.com/

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Ninja Gaiden (Xbox) Music: Alma Awakened Extended HD

Extended music from Ninja Gaiden (Xbox) :DEnjoy :)

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Ninja Gaiden 3 Music: A Masked Curse Extended HD

Extended music from Ninja Gaiden 3 :DEnjoy :)

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Double Dragon Neon OST - Track 1 - Double Dragon Theme

Title Theme CoverMusic from the game "Double Dragon Neon" by Jake Kaufman

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Double Dragon Neon OST - Track 4 - City Streets 2 (Mango Tango)

lyrics:VERSE 1 Off the ceiling and onto the dance floor Flashing colors are shimmering bright As she watches him move, to her delight Like a tiger she waits ...

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Double Dragon Neon OST - Track 9 - Space Dojo 2

Billy and the BreakersMusic from the game "Double Dragon Neon" by Jake Kaufmanlyrics:My life is slammin' into gear, The pedal's to the metal. At last I conqu...

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01 Renegade Theme

River City Tokyo Rumble : Track # 1I don't own the rights to any of this, but these fine people do:-Technōs Japan (1986–1996)-Million Corp. (2001-ongoing)-Na...

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(original)

(remix)

018 Yokohama Funk

River City Tokyo Rumble : Track # 18I don't own the rights to any of this, but these fine people do:-Technōs Japan (1986–1996)-Million Corp. (2001-ongoing)-N...

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015 Hong Kong Showdown

River City Tokyo Rumble : Track # 15I don't own the rights to any of this, but these fine people do:-Technōs Japan (1986–1996)-Million Corp. (2001-ongoing)-N...

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River City Girls Zero / Shin Nekketsu Kouha: Kunio-tachi no Banka OST - Ken Battle

1994 - Hitoshi YamaneComplete OST: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5D96D7557B6772FA

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Downtown Nekketsu Cross-Country NES Music 5

AKA Downtown Nekketsu Koushinkyoku: Soreyuke Daiundoukai

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(remix)

Downtown Nekketsu Cross-Country NES Music 8

AKA Downtown Nekketsu Koushinkyoku: Soreyuke Daiundoukai

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(remix)

Nekketsu Kakutou Densetsu NES Music 6

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Nekketsu Koukou Dodgeball Bu - Soccer Hen NES Music 5

AKA Nintendo World Cup

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Nekketsu Koukou Dodgeball Bu - Soccer Hen NES Music 6

AKA Nintendo World Cup

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Doom OST - E2M2 - The Demons from Adrians Pen

E2M2http://www.bpmusic.comBobby Prince: "This song was inspired by watching Adrian Carmack, the lead artist at id Software, while he was touching up the artw...

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Doom OST - E1M4 - Kitchen Ace (And Taking Names)

E1M4http://www.bpmusic.com

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Doom OST - E2M8 - Nobody Told Me About Id

E2M8http://www.bpmusic.com

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NintenZ · Mar 21, 2023

CommanderZaktan said:
Is this the same from Source Gaming's video? What's the program or site?

Photoshop

DarthEnderX · Mar 21, 2023

Wonder Smash said:
Any kind of recurring Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest themes that are not in Smash yet?

Tons? Especially considering Smash has no non-FF7 music.

When it comes to FF the main recurring themes are:
Main Theme(FF1)
Prelude
Chocobo Theme
Battle on the Big Bridge

When it comes to FF the main recurring themes are:
Anything from the Builders OST

fogbadge · Mar 22, 2023

please no more battle on the big bridge. final bar line has left me quite tired of it

Mamboo07 · Mar 22, 2023

fogbadge said:
please no more battle on the big bridge.

What's wrong with it?

fogbadge · Mar 22, 2023

Mamboo07 said:
What's wrong with it?

well you know how some people some people say there’s too many versions of certain songs in smash’s music selection? it’s like that

TCT~Phantom · Mar 22, 2023

Swamp Sensei said:
Well this brings up another question.

Do we expect Advance Wars to do well? Do we expect it to become an active franchise again?

I think that it will do well enough given the circumstances. Being a first party Nintendo game that has April to itself is a nice boon to have.

fogbadge said:
well you know how some people some people say there’s too many versions of certain songs in smash’s music selection? it’s like that

Yes. So many versions of Battle on the Big Bridge are in smash. Please do tell.

Oh wait. There are none. Maybe it’s a good idea to put one of the more iconic FF songs (especially given how often it is revisited) into Smash.

Megadoomer · Mar 22, 2023

On the off chance that we get Nier Automata content in Smash, there's one song that I NEED:

Also, with Sugiyama no longer involved with Dragon Quest, maybe we could get some form of the main theme as stage music (though maybe it was seen as unfitting?):

"OVERTURE XI" (Main Theme) | Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age / ドラゴンクエストXI 過ぎ去りし時を求めて

Composed by Koichi Sugiyama and performed by the Tokyo Metropolitan Symphony Orchestra."Dragon Quest XI: Echoes of an Elusive Age" is a role-playing video ga...

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While I'm on a Square-Enix kick, Final Fantasy music beyond FF7 would be nice, though I'm mainly familiar with FF6.

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Final Fantasy 1- Battle Scene

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Hadokeyblade · Mar 22, 2023

Also this specific song is missing from Smash

One of the most iconic tracks in the series and it didnt show up.

Perkilator · Mar 22, 2023

Hadokeyblade said:
Also this specific song is missing from Smash

One of the most iconic tracks in the series and it didnt show up.

~~Just like tons of songs from outside KH1~~

Wonder Smash · Mar 22, 2023

You know, I wonder why there's no Crystalis content in Smash Ultimate, despite being an SNK game made exclusively for the NES. With the Gameboy version even being made by Nintendo. Strange there were no themes from that game came with Terry.

Guynamednelson · Mar 22, 2023

Wonder Smash said:
You know, I wonder why there's no Crystalis content in Smash Ultimate, despite being an SNK game made exclusively for the NES. With the Gameboy version even being made by Nintendo. Strange there were no themes from that game came with Terry.

For me it's the lack of any song from Garou. I know Spread the Wings suffers from legal issues over how close it is to Robert Miles' "Children", but...as far as I know, nothing else from its OST is lawsuit material.

chocolatejr9 · Mar 22, 2023

Wonder Smash said:
You know, I wonder why there's no Crystalis content in Smash Ultimate, despite being an SNK game made exclusively for the NES. With the Gameboy version even being made by Nintendo. Strange there were no themes from that game came with Terry.

Wait until they add a Crystalis character to KOF: that'll give a popularity boost.

fogbadge · Mar 22, 2023

TCT~Phantom said:
I think that it will do well enough given the circumstances. Being a first party Nintendo game that has April to itself is a nice boon to have.

Yes. So many versions of Battle on the Big Bridge are in smash. Please do tell.

Oh wait. There are none. Maybe it’s a good idea to put one of the more iconic FF songs (especially given how often it is revisited) into Smash.

do you ever read the whole conversation? I was talking about there being to many in the latest theatrhytm and comparing it to when people say there’s too many versions of jungle japes or mute city in smash

PeridotGX · Mar 22, 2023

Swamp Sensei said:
Well this brings up another question.

Do we expect Advance Wars to do well? Do we expect it to become an active franchise again?

I hope it does, but I can't imagine it'll do that well - optimistically, it'll top out at 1.5 mil.

I think the Metroid Prime Remaster being at $40 is going to make Nintendo's other remasters and remakes being a full $60 hard(er) to swallow. When rumors were saying we would be getting an Explorers of Sky remake, I remember my first thought was " I hope it's not full price". Not for me, I'm a **** for PMD and would buy it for $160, but for other people. Even I acknowledge that $60 for a remake of a DS game in a niche genre is a hard sell, if it's cheaper I think it could reach greater heights.

Speed Weed · Mar 22, 2023

Wonder Smash said:
You know, I wonder why there's no Crystalis content in Smash Ultimate, despite being an SNK game made exclusively for the NES. With the Gameboy version even being made by Nintendo. Strange there were no themes from that game came with Terry.

Crystalis isn't really a big deal amongst all the SNK IP out there, is it? Like, Fatal Fury, KOF, Art of Fighting and SamSho are the big huge fighting game properties, and Metal Slug, Psycho Soldier/Athena, Ikari Warriors and ASO/Alpha Mission are all classic non-fighting IP that are treated with reverence by the company still. Maybe Crystalis actually does have some hidden huge amount of popularity/relevance/importance/reverence/whathaveyou that I'm not aware of, but from what I've seen it's mostly popular with NES boomers and the like. Feels weird to be singling that out as the big SNK omission

DarthEnderX · Mar 22, 2023

fogbadge said:
please no more battle on the big bridge.

fogbadge said:
do you ever read the whole conversation? I was talking about there being to many in the latest theatrhytm and comparing it to when people say there’s too many versions of jungle japes or mute city in smash

Except the forum is talking about Smash. "There's too much Big Bridge in Theatrythm" has no bearing on the fact that there's no Big Bridge in Smash. Sorry you got burned out on a song in a different game, but that means nothing for Smash.

Wonder Smash said:
You know, I wonder why there's no Crystalis content in Smash Ultimate, despite being an SNK game made exclusively for the NES.

I mean, it's pretty obvious why. It's a mostly forgotten game by today's standards that never spawned a series.

I would certainly love to see it get a Spirit, or a Simea mii costume or something though.

Because reasons...

Hadokeyblade · Mar 22, 2023

Going back to my idea of putting Megaman.EXE in smash it would be neat if they incorporated the emotion window into his picture in the bottom of the screen where it shows the players health.

For those that never played the emotion window is a thing in theBattle network gams that reflect Megaman's current state in battle, and provides different effects depending on what his emotion is in that specific moment.

His basic expression is just him fighting normally

Full synchro expression which triggers when he performs a counter deals double damage for his next attack

Anger is an emotion that triggers when he's really low on health and keeps getting hit, where all his attacks do double damage until you can heal him (So kinda like Terry's gimmick)

Anxious which is an emtion that triggers when he gets hit repeatedly over a short span of time, where his attacks get weak until you can avoid getting hit for a bit.

fogbadge · Mar 22, 2023

DarthEnderX said:
Except the forum is talking about Smash. "There's too much Big Bridge in Theatrythm" has no bearing on the fact that there's no Big Bridge in Smash. Sorry you got burned out on a song in a different game, but that means nothing for Smash.

that was my reason for not wanting it in smash. again read the whole conversation

Sucumbio · Mar 22, 2023

Marble Madness! I loved that back in the day. Maybe a stage or an assist... Hmm

DarthEnderX · Mar 22, 2023

fogbadge said:
that was my reason for not wanting it in smash.

Nobody is saying it isn't. We're saying that's a bad reason and we disagree with it.

CannonStreak · Mar 22, 2023

Sucumbio said:
Marble Madness! I loved that back in the day. Maybe a stage or an assist... Hmm

A brilliant idea! Maybe have power-ups from Marble Blast Gold too, if you know what I mean.

fogbadge · Mar 22, 2023

DarthEnderX said:
Nobody is saying it isn't. We're saying that's a bad reason and we disagree with it.

and hear I thought not liking something was a perfectly valid reason to not want it

Guynamednelson · Mar 22, 2023

PeridotGX said:
optimistically, it'll top out at 1.5 mil.

That is pretty optimistic.

And I agree that that's possible nonetheless, since Wargroove was able to be a million seller.

CannonStreak · Mar 22, 2023

Sucumbio Sorry, but I had to do this moveset after you mentioned the game. Here it is, by the way.

The Marble

Coming from the game, Marble Madness, The Marble joins the battle. It is a near heavy character that is nonetheless faster than you might thinkIt mainly attacks like how Sonic attacked in his ball form in specifically Smash Bros. Brawl, especially the Smash attacks he had in that game that used the ball form. The marble spins fast, circles, does short hops before charging at opponents, loops, does "side cartwheels" and other acrobatics, all without needing limbs. Its special moves are...

B: Spin Roll: The Marble charges up by spinning, and with enough energy charged, it rolls off to attack an opponent.

B Side: Marble Hill: A hill pops up, causing the Marble to gain speed quickly and ram opponents with.

B Up: Bounce Spin: The Marble bounces upward while doing three spins, creating a small vortex that pulls in opponents.

B Down: Ground Smash: The Marble hops and smashes the ground, causing shockwaves that get bigger with each bounce.

Final Smash: Marble Rush: The Marble charges at a character. If it hits, a cutscene happens where the characters are on one of the Marble Tracks in the game, only to be run over by a bunch of marbles coming by, building up damage over time. The Marble itself finishes off the Final Smash while big in size, slamming into opponents and sending them flying.

Pretty wacky, huh?

Sucumbio · Mar 22, 2023

SonicMetaphor said:
Sucumbio Sorry, but I had to do this moveset after you mentioned the game. Here it is, by the way.

The Marble

Coming from the game, Marble Madness, The Marble joins the battle. It is a near heavy character that is nonetheless faster than you might think, and it uses power ups from Marble Blast Gold. It mainly attacks like how Sonic attacked in his ball form in specifically Smash Bros. Brawl, especially the Smash attacks he had in that game that used the ball form. The marble spins fast, circles, does short hops before charging at opponents, loops, does "side cartwheels" and other acrobatics, all without needing limbs. Its special moves are...

B: Spin Roll: The Marble charges up by spinning, and with enough energy charged, it rolls off to attack an opponent.

B Side: Super Speed/Super Bounce: Like Sora's B Move, this alternates from one to the other. When using Super Speed, the Marble's speed increases, or of Super Bounce is used, the Marble's jump increases, both for a short time. The move cannot be initiated when one of these two powerups are in action.

B Up: Gyrocopter: The Marble uses a Gyrocopter that lifts it upward and damages enemies that touch it.

B Down: Mega Marble: The Marble Grows in size for a short time, becoming more powerful. While it does have a cooldown, it can be used again during cooldown time, though the size is smaller depending on when the cooldown is at before finishing.

Final Smash: Marble Rush: The Marble charges at a character. If it hits, a cutscene happens where the characters are on one of the Marble Tracks in the game, only to be run over by a bunch of marbles coming by, building up damage over time. The Marble itself finishes off the Final Smash while big in size, slamming into opponents and sending them flying.

Pretty wacky, huh?

Not bad! Imagine a grand final with Marble vs Tetris Block haha

CannonStreak · Mar 22, 2023

Sucumbio said:
Not bad! Imagine a grand final with Marble vs Tetris Block haha

I made some changes since Marble Madness is different from Marble Blast as a game. Check them out. What do you think?

fogbadge · Mar 22, 2023

Sucumbio said:
Not bad! Imagine a grand final with Marble vs Tetris Block haha

ok

CommanderZaktan · Mar 22, 2023

NintenZ said:
Photoshop

oh. what about those icons then?

NintenZ · Mar 22, 2023

CommanderZaktan said:
oh. what about those icons then?

They’re in a private google drive, if you want I can DM you the icons if you wanna make your own.

Perkilator · Mar 22, 2023

NintenZ said:
They’re in a private google drive, if you want I can DM you the icons if you wanna make your own.

Can I use them too?

RodNutTakin · Mar 22, 2023

NintenZ said:
They’re in a private google drive, if you want I can DM you the icons if you wanna make your own.

I'd be interested in having these icons sent privately as well.

DarthEnderX · Mar 22, 2023

fogbadge said:
and hear I thought not liking something was a perfectly valid reason to not want it

Does the fact that someone disagreed with you invalidate your opinion?

fogbadge · Mar 22, 2023

DarthEnderX said:
Does the fact that someone disagreed with you invalidate your opinion?

well you told me it was invalid so it sure sounded like it. you’re not Gilgamesh are you?

Hadokeyblade · Mar 22, 2023

If the companies involved in Smash were easier to work with i could see Gilgamesh being a funny boss to see in smash, since he goes around stealing swords, he could have a boss battle where we see him holding things like the Z saber or Shovel knight's shovel

HyperSomari64 · Mar 22, 2023

Tower of Druaga Gilgamesh or Fate Gilgamesh?

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