Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Tower of Druaga Gilgamesh or Fate Gilgamesh?

Civ VI Gilgamesh

 

[Sucumbio]

The Epic of Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh.

 

[chocolatejr9]

So I know there's a debate about how long Fortnite will last (or at least, if it'll last until next Smash), but with stuff like this, I don't think it'll go away anytime soon...

This is FORTNITE! Imagine the next live event.. 😳 pic.twitter.com/YZTGB5bloq

— Happy Power (@HappyPower) March 22, 2023

 

[Wonder Smash]

Crystalis isn't really a big deal amongst all the SNK IP out there, is it? Like, Fatal Fury, KOF, Art of Fighting and SamSho are the big huge fighting game properties, and Metal Slug, Psycho Soldier/Athena, Ikari Warriors and ASO/Alpha Mission are all classic non-fighting IP that are treated with reverence by the company still. Maybe Crystalis actually does have some hidden huge amount of popularity/relevance/importance/reverence/whathaveyou that I'm not aware of, but from what I've seen it's mostly popular with NES boomers and the like. Feels weird to be singling that out as the big SNK omission

It was part of the SNK 40th Anniversary Collection and it's on the Nintendo Switch Online. So I guess SNK hasn't completely forgot about it and with the number of content that came with Terry, adding at least one track from that game wouldn't have seemed like a problem.

 

[NintenZ]

I'd be interested in having these icons sent privately as well.

Can I use them too?

I'll send them to you all privately

 

[Perkilator]

This makes me sad ): pic.twitter.com/lr7IF4Ox6Z

— Brent (King of Skill) (@TrueKingOfSkill) March 22, 2023

Back on the topic of music, it’s kinda sad how many series in Smash lost out in some bangers.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

So I know there's a debate about how long Fortnite will last (or at least, if it'll last until next Smash), but with stuff like this, I don't think it'll go away anytime soon...

This is FORTNITE! Imagine the next live event.. 😳 pic.twitter.com/YZTGB5bloq

— Happy Power (@HappyPower) March 22, 2023

When did this happen? I stop playing for two days and something comes up lol

 

[chocolatejr9]

When did this happen? I stop playing for two days and something comes up lol

It was announced today as part of Creative 2.0 (I think that's what it was called). I think this is part of their goal to make Fortnite into something of an "experience", rather than a traditional game.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

It was part of the SNK 40th Anniversary Collection and it's on the Nintendo Switch Online. So I guess SNK hasn't completely forgot about it and with the number of content that game with Terry, adding at least one track from that game wouldn't have seemed like a problem.

I usually hate to use or see this expression, but Crystallis is literally bottom of the barrel of SNK franchise. I don't get why you're acting that surprised that it have no representation. If anything King of the monsters, The last blade, World heroes and Twinkle star sprites had more chances to have representation, but even those would be really pushing it.

 

[Speed Weed]

I usually hate to use or see this expression, but Crystallis is literally bottom of the barrel of SNK franchise. I don't get why you're acting that surprised that it have no representation. If anything King of the monsters, The last blade, World heroes and Twinkle star sprites had more chances to have representation, but even those would be really pushing it.

Yeah Crystalis is hardly the most notable SNK series to have missed the cut. Claiming it to be this crazy omission feels very short-sighted - like, I don't think it's anywhere near most actual SNK fans' favorite output from the company. It matters most to an audience that is completely different from the crowd that would care the most about Terry's inclusion

 

[Wonder Smash]

I usually hate to use or see this expression, but Crystallis is literally bottom of the barrel of SNK franchise. I don't get why you're acting that surprised that it have no representation. If anything King of the monsters, The last blade, World heroes and Twinkle star sprites had more chances to have representation, but even those would be really pushing it.

Keep in mind that Alpha Mission also got a music track over those series, so it's not out of the possibility. Then there's also Crystallis connection to Psycho Soldier, which also has some representation.

Like I said, the game has been re-released twice in these recent years (one of them being in a collection), showing that SNK does care about this game more than you seem to think.

Yeah Crystalis is hardly the most notable SNK series to have missed the cut. Claiming it to be this crazy omission feels very short-sighted - like, I don't think it's anywhere near most actual SNK fans' favorite output from the company. It matters most to an audience that is completely different from the crowd that would care the most about Terry's inclusion

I don't know why you think it matters which audience like it the most. So what if NES players like it more? Doesn't change the fact that it's a classic SNK game because in the end, that's the company that made it. I just think it would have been more fitting to showcase a game that SNK and Nintendo kind of both had a hand in in some ways.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

The thing with SNK is that Terry may have been their one (and perhaps only) big shot at representation in Smash and let the music go all out as a result. If there's another character than maybe Crystallis pops up, but given how deep the SNK library goes, it likely wasn't prioritized. On some level I kind of wish other third parties had the kind of company wide pulls that Terry ended up having. Even putting aside the problems of Square Enix music, there's so many great Rare, Sega, Capcom, & Konami tracks outside the main IP's featured that would have been damn good.

 

[Perkilator]

The thing with SNK is that Terry may have been their one (and perhaps only) big shot at representation in Smash and let the music go all out as a result. If there's another character than maybe Crystallis pops up, but given how deep the SNK library goes, it likely wasn't prioritized. On some level I kind of wish other third parties had the kind of company wide pulls that Terry ended up having. Even putting aside the problems of Square Enix music, there's so many great Rare, Sega, Capcom, & Konami tracks outside the main IP's featured that would have been damn good.

Like I keep saying, those songs could've been represented without fighters in base Ultimate, along with Spirits.

 

[smashkirby]

Warioware inc is probably in France

I know I'm REALLY late to the party here, but I always assumed (especially after Gold and Get It Together) that Diamond City was located in an U.S.A.-like facsimile. Specifically, California (or one of the U.S.'s "tropical" states, at the very least).

 

[Perkilator]

Delzethin did a video on the Black Mage:

 

[Sucumbio]

I thought of another 4th party HyperSomari64

AOL! He could be a browser window and everytime he takes damage he doubles into more browser windows until the whole stage is just covered in browser windows.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Say, what are some potential Atari reps? Because honestly, I didn't think they still had money to do this:

Atari acquiring Nightdive Studios - Nightdive helped bring Quake, Doom 64, Turok, and more to Switch https://t.co/rOQ5sUYdbG pic.twitter.com/MPntEu8X6g

— Nintendo Everything (@NinEverything) March 23, 2023

 

[Mamboo07]

Say, what are some potential Atari reps?

Atari acquiring Nightdive Studios - Nightdive helped bring Quake, Doom 64, Turok, and more to Switch https://t.co/rOQ5sUYdbG pic.twitter.com/MPntEu8X6g

— Nintendo Everything (@NinEverything) March 23, 2023

The Centipede itself from Centipede as a fighter.

I picture its design/appearance in Smash being a mix of these taking inspirations:

(One's from a book cover, the Atari game, the 1889 game, and Pixels from 2015)
Playing as a multi-legged creature would be so much fun!

Edit: If I had to go with one, I would choose either box art or movie)

 

[HyperSomari64]

I thought of another 4th party HyperSomari64

AOL! He could be a browser window and everytime he takes damage he doubles into more browser windows until the whole stage is just covered in browser windows.

I love da idea.
At it is not that mean spirited like the previous one.

 

[Sucumbio]

I have so many fond memories of games from the Atari 2600 and Colecovision...

Pitfall Harry still seems like the obvious choice to me but it's Activision of course. But Atari has some great titles too, like Yars' Revenge!

 

[fogbadge]

The Centipede itself from Centipede as a fighter.

I picture its design/appearance in Smash being a mix of these taking inspirations:
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(One's from a book cover, the Atari game, the 1889 game, and Pixels from 2015)
Playing as a multi-legged creature would be so much fun!

Edit: If I had to go with one, I would choose either box art or movie)

that'd certainly be a distinct character

 

[Gengar84]

that'd certainly be a distinct character

Totally. I haven’t played Centipede but I love crazy unique characters like this. I feel like we don’t really have enough monstrous designs for characters in Smash.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Say, what are some potential Atari reps?

Realtalk: Very few anyone would care about.

Personally though? Bentley Bear.

Also, the dragon from Adventure.

 

[Perkilator]

Ready for a package deal? Sonic Origins Plus is heading your way June 23rd, 2023! Get ready for extra games, extra challenges, and for the first time ever...Amy's joining the party! pic.twitter.com/5DR1EbA1H5

— Sonic the Hedgehog (@sonic_hedgehog) March 23, 2023

Shall I once again complain that Sonic only has one playable character in Smash?

 

[Wonder Smash]

I had made this post not too long ago:

I hope someday if somebody make some videos about Spirit battles in Ultimate, they not only explain them but also show the game that inspired it too. That might take a lot of work but there's a lot of Youtube videos to put together to show it.

And I didn't know that somebody was actually doing this already:

Every Spirit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Part 1: 1979-1983

Part one of the veritable odyssey that is documenting and explaining the origins of every Spirit in Smash Ultimate, beginning with the oldest Spirits in the ...

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Every Spirit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Part 2: 1984

Part 2 of our series talking about the origins of every Spirit in Smash Ultimate! This time we talk about all the Spirits that debuted in 1984. Which was mos...

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Every Spirit in Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Part 3: 1985

Part 3 of our series talking about the origins of every Spirit in Smash Ultimate! Today we cover the 1985 Spirits, mostly just Super Mario Bros. but that's a...

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Three videos so far! This is exactly the way I wanted it! I'm so happy somebody is doing this!

Ready for a package deal? Sonic Origins Plus is heading your way June 23rd, 2023! Get ready for extra games, extra challenges, and for the first time ever...Amy's joining the party! pic.twitter.com/5DR1EbA1H5

— Sonic the Hedgehog (@sonic_hedgehog) March 23, 2023

Shall I once again complain that Sonic only has one playable character in Smash?

If it makes you feel any better, just know that he's not the only one.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Ready for a package deal? Sonic Origins Plus is heading your way June 23rd, 2023! Get ready for extra games, extra challenges, and for the first time ever...Amy's joining the party! pic.twitter.com/5DR1EbA1H5

— Sonic the Hedgehog (@sonic_hedgehog) March 23, 2023

Shall I once again complain that Sonic only has one playable character in Smash?

You're right: we need Classic Sonic in Smash!

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Realtalk: Very few anyone would care about.

Personally though? Bentley Bear.

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Hey we could finally include the oddly depressing Atari Karts results music in Smash:

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

The real option for an Atari rep is obvious:

Spoiler: The greatest game ever made

N I N J A G O L F

 

[TCT~Phantom]

I was going to pump Space Invaders as an Atari rep, but they are owned by Taito who is now owned by Square. The more you know.

That being said, out of the ones suggested I would go with Centipede with an Asteroids based stage. Something like that sounds like a super cool homage to an era before even Nintendo. It also would be sick to have a fighter as weird as Centipede.

 

[fogbadge]

Hey we could finally include the oddly depressing Atari Karts results music in Smash:

is that the hydra logo racing against a bear?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Okay, assuming no one gets cut for the sake of a hypothetical...

What are some Final Smashes that you think need to be changed next game?

 

[HyperSomari64]

What are some Final Smashes that you think need to be changed next game?

DK's new final smash is a rain of coconut cream pies while singing the music of the old cartoon (the 90's one, not Saturday Supercade)

 

[CannonStreak]

DK's new final smash is a rain of coconut cream pies while singing the music of the old cartoon (the 90's one, not Saturday Supercade)

I guess love is stronger than a golden banana.

 

[Perkilator]

Okay, assuming no one gets cut for the sake of a hypothetical...

What are some Final Smashes that you think need to be changed next game?

META KNIGHT SHOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN RID OF GALAXIA DARKNESS

 

[fogbadge]

Okay, assuming no one gets cut for the sake of a hypothetical...

What are some Final Smashes that you think need to be changed next game?

well I’d like to see Mario’s replaced with giga cat Mario. bowser while the mechanic need not change I would like to see giga bowser replaced with fury bowser. peach’s one could do with more omph but I’m not sure what you could replace it with bar something from super princess peach and I’m not sure about going for something that old. Link and shiek could swap theirs back. Byleths could be altered so sothis is more like she is in her own game.

I may think of more

oh yeah give pikachu 10,000,000 volt thunderbolt

 

[Sucumbio]

Okay, assuming no one gets cut for the sake of a hypothetical...

What are some Final Smashes that you think need to be changed next game?

Meta Knight should go back to his old one I don't like the hitboxes in Ultimate I always miss!

 

[Laniv]

Okay, assuming no one gets cut for the sake of a hypothetical...

What are some Final Smashes that you think need to be changed next game?

King K. Rool should have two final smashes: Blast-O-Matic when he's winning, and Kredits when he's losing.

Daisy and Richter, at least, should have theirs changed to Daisy's Mega Strike from Strikers Charged and HYDRO STORM, respectively.

For more minor changes, Inkling's Final Smash now immediately refills her ink tank, and Link's Final Smash instantly KO's anyone over 100%.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Okay, assuming no one gets cut for the sake of a hypothetical...

What are some Final Smashes that you think need to be changed next game?

Think it's time for Mario to get a better final smash, and by better I mean literally anything that resembles something from a Mario game. (I know Mario Finale ''resembles'' a move from RPG but that's really stretching it)

Obvious pick here is the starman, of course.

 

[Mamboo07]

Okay, assuming no one gets cut for the sake of a hypothetical...

What are some Final Smashes that you think need to be changed next game?

Kirby's final smash having him using the big rig from Forgotten Land.

I JUST REALLY want more modern representation, give me a single stage.

Also Young and Toon Links having their own.
(Toon with the Ballad of Gales and Young using Deity Mask)

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Okay, assuming no one gets cut for the sake of a hypothetical...

What are some Final Smashes that you think need to be changed next game?

Change Young Link’s to Fierce Deity Link. Honestly I still am mad they didn’t go with one of the biggest lay ups for a final smash out there.