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I find it quite surprising how the idea that clones have to be replaced with other (frankly, redundant) characters if they ever get moveset upgrades is so consistently popular in this fandom for years now. Characters like Ganondorf, Bowser, Pit, or Falco have received some serious updates to their kits without anyone being added to take over their old attacks.
I mean...2 of those were clones to begin with. They didn't really need anyone to take over their old attacks. Because the fighter they were cloning is still around, using those attacks.
Hey, people will still miss their old attacks.
To be fair in pits case it would make sense after all now we have the same only Uprising Based Moveset for two Characters speaking of that
Name something in the original game that Uprising doesn't have, then.
These Nose Dudes right?
Characters having their movesets changed between games is just par for the course for fighting games and I welcome it, as long as the changes are well implemented. I think Smash is way too conservative when it comes to this, probably out of fear of upsetting people who don't want to leave their comfort zone. And it's holding the series back in my opinion.
Some people.
You know what I think would be cool (but likely way too much work) that I’ve seen in some other fighting games? The ability to choose different iterations of a characters moveset from throughout the series’ history. For example, we could have Melee Fox vs Smash 4 Bayonetta or Ultimate Steve Vs Brawl Metaknight. This would almost definitely have to be casual offline play only since it would be a nightmare to try to regulate, but that’s kind of the point. I just think it could be fun to see how these builds of characters stack up against each other. Then I could return to Melee Dorf and he’d be a decent character again.
How is it too conservative? Wario has his actual Dash Attack work like it does in Wario Land plus his Bike in the same moveset now. In Smash 4 DK even got his roll.
You know, since Dry Bowser would presumably lack the weight of flesh, it would be better if Bowser reverts to Melee/Brawl animations while Dry Bowser gets the more agile moveset.
That makes a lot of sense in terms of stats but, to me at least, Dry Bowser just goes more with the more monstrous nature of his classic portrayal animation wise. It’s harder to picture Dry Bowser performing drop kicks like Bowser currently does as opposed to his old savage head smash. He also fits the repeated bites from Melee over the jumping body slam he has now. I mostly just chose Dry Bowser for this because I like his design but you could potentially go with someone like Dark Bowser if you wanted the stats and weights to be more accurate.
I love how "Ultimate Steve" sounds threatening and absurd at the same time... I wonder who the strongest between him and Super Mario!
Lol yeah I wasn’t really thinking about that when I typed it but you’re right that it does sound kind of ridiculous.
1. Uses the Ultimatrix
I'll admit, I'm pretty late to respond to this, but I really appreciate the love to Aisya, Henry Fleming, Saki, Mike Jones, Mr. Stevenson, Nester, Jonathan Raimi, Alexandra Roivas and all of these other obscure Nintendo characters!
Even if you ignore that fact that I'd also still have Luigi, I'd be completely fine with that.
Yeah, I think clones are a great way to bring in more characters with limited development time but it would be cool to see them more fleshed out in later games.
Or not, and they just be Echoes instead.
Same thing different name to me. Ken (an echo) is more unique than Dr. Mario (a clone) was in Melee. There isn’t really much consistency with what qualifies as what. Then we have Alph, the Koopalings, and Hero as alts and it’s all kind of a mess. I just group them all together as characters that are strongly based on the foundation of another existing character, whatever their label.
Really? Huh, didn't see that coming...
Glad to read this but just out of curiosity I want to ask something, what is your take on Kevin Keene from the Captain N: The Game Master series and 3rd party characters?
Sorry for the second reply, but I did a bit of digging, and, um...
Say what you will about the little guy, but this right here is kind of why I hope that Young Link doesn't get booted back out of Smash Bros...
Honestly, I would be quite intrigued to see how Nintendo would tackle a modern-day Captain N.
You mean like the EX Mode from the first Capcom vs. SNK?
Oh boy. Looks like I might have to stop hoping for that third Crono game. It would suck if this ended up making Square-Enix fall even more. It’s too bad Mistwalker wasn’t really that successful. Luckily we have other companies that make great JRPGs these days like Atlus and Bandai-Namco.
That’s probably it. I remember the feature being in some kind of Capcom fighting game. I thought it might have been a Street Fighter game but I couldn’t quite remember.
Me when I realized it wasn't an announcement the new guy was a Golden Sun developer:
because he looks identical to the guy who said it
I just hope they don't somehow kill FF14 after this. There's already a bit of concern for their AA stuff due to Octopath Traveller 2 underperforming, and I don't think I need to remind anybody about how badly games like Avengers and Forspoken bombed, so ATM FF14 is their main moneymaker. Lose that, and they risk being in the same spot Ubisoft is in right now.
Is Octopath 2 underperforming? That’s a shame but I did buy the game last week so at least I’m not part of the reason. It’s one of the few games they make that I still really enjoy.
Well, I haven't seen any numbers myself, but I saw people saying it has underperformed. Probably shouldn't quote me or anything in that case.
Lol oh yeah, GameFreak is definitely near the top of that list. I still buy all the mainline games but it’s frustrating to know how much better the series could be with a more competent developer, more development time, or even just accepting help from other developers like Monolith Soft or even a third party like Atlus.
Look, you can argue all you want whether Ganondorf's portrayal is in line with canon or not. But Mario getting hammer for his normals would be absolute BS since he fills an important "shoto" role that precludes him from being anything but a brawler.
I doubt ATLUS could help GameFreak with Pokemon games, they can hardly push out a brand-new game every year by themselves.
That’s kind of what I had in mind as one potential idea (minus the idol part). The pop idle theme of TMS wasn’t really my personal preference but it’s cool for people that liked that. SMT/Persona already has some gameplay similarities with Pokémon as turn based monster collecting JRPGs. It would be cool to see their take on a Pokémon game.
You know, that theme actually would work really well for Pokemon contests.
Yeah, that theme actually fits Pokémon a lot better than it did Fire Emblem. I was so hyped for that game when it was first announced since I really liked Fire Emblem and Persona but the idol thing was kind of a let down. I did end up buying it but I never found the time to play it since it was at the end of Wii U and I don’t feel like plugging it back in or buying it a second time.
