Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[SpecterFlower]

Not saying I buy the rumor, but I wouldn't put it past them to just insta/shadowdrop AW at this point. Though it will probably at least get a shoutout in the Direct I imagine, assuming that there is indeed a Direct and that AW is indeed launching soon.

if it’s true they probabaly just want to get it over with. Really terrible timing for the series to be revived as it looks like it’s going right back to the grave.

 

[SPEN18]

By the time the next smash release they may have rereleased the tellius games (it feels like an inevitability). It also helps he’s the most unique lord, not being an actual lord. He sticks out a lot amongst the other lords.


I also feel that a lot of people overestimate what smash does for a series and it’s characters.

I know there were leaks/rumors on Tellius remakes but the current word is that FE4 is next. And, honestly, I don't see any reason for them to stop doing the remakes in order, especially for the ones that are going to be 100% new to most Westerners. So, we'll see on that.

Yeah, Ike's uniqueness does help his innate popularity, and I think I brought that up before.

As for overestimating Smash's effects on series and characters, again it's in the realm of the hypothetical to talk about what would've happened to them without Smash's aid. Best you can do is perhaps to compare to other characters and games of similar eras, genres, and marketing/sales levels.

 

[SpecterFlower]

I know there were leaks/rumors on Tellius remakes but the current word is that FE4 is next. And, honestly, I don't see any reason for them to stop doing the remakes in order, especially for the ones that are going to be 100% new to most Westerners. So, we'll see on that.

Yeah, Ike's uniqueness does help his innate popularity, and I think I brought that up before.

As for overestimating Smash's effects on series and characters, again it's in the realm of the hypothetical to talk about what would've happened to them without Smash's aid. Best you can do is perhaps to compare to other characters and games of similar eras, genres, and marketing/sales levels.

Oh yeah don’t worry. I know about the fire emblem 4 remake, imo I think Sigurd will proabably join in the next smash since a fe4 remake would proabanly be the biggest fire emblem to date devwise (especially since it likely started development before engage)
I’m just talking about remasters and relrealses, imo tellius games don’t really need remakes, just a couple qol updates and improved animations, I think they will rerelease eventually. But fe4 remake will be first.

fire emblem would proabably be i nthe same place if marth never got added to smash, imo. Only difference is the mascot would not be Marth and Roy would probably be one of the least known lords. Which would defintly change engage and awakenings story’s since marth would not be as relevant, it’s interesting to think but still hypothetical. They likely would have brought it over regardless because of advance wars success.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

If the rumors are real and Nintendo really is winding down the Switch for the next console then if we’re going to start getting rumors of the next Smash soon after. I doubt Nintendo will pass up making a new Smash game so it’s really just a question of if Sakurai is coming back or not and what are we getting? Ultimate Deluxe or something new?

 

[SpecterFlower]

If the rumors are real and Nintendo really is winding down the Switch for the next console then if we’re going to start getting rumors of the next Smash soon after. I doubt Nintendo will pass up making a new Smash game so it’s really just a question of if Sakurai is coming back or not and what are we getting? Ultimate Deluxe or something new?

The rumours right now are pointing. To the opposite, they are increasing switch production, next smash is still proabanly 4-5 years away (especially since Sakurai is proabably working on a kid Icarus game remaster with Bandai namco, although he could have no involvement)

 

[HyperSomari64]

Can this Nintendo Direct announce the third Project X Zone game with Sonic being the first character revealed?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

The rumours right now are pointing. To the opposite, they are increasing switch production, next smash is still proabanly 4-5 years away (especially since Sakurai is proabably working on a kid Icarus game remaster with Bandai namco, although he could have no involvement)

I doubt Sakurai is doing much of anything right now. He's semi retired. I don't think he'd lead a big project like that.

 

[HyperSomari64]

I doubt Sakurai is doing much of anything right now. He's semi retired. I don't think he'd lead a big project like that.

The big project at Bamco is Project x Zone III, with Sonic included

 

[SpecterFlower]

I doubt Sakurai is doing much of anything right now. He's semi retired. I don't think he'd lead a big project like that.

Yeah, I think so too, if he were to have involvement it would probabaly be minor but I imagine he would like to at least have some control in his game being remade. Either way I found we get smash until like 2026 or 7

 

[CannonStreak]

The rumours right now are pointing. To the opposite, they are increasing switch production, next smash is still proabanly 4-5 years away (especially since Sakurai is proabably working on a kid Icarus game remaster with Bandai namco, although he could have no involvement)

No offense when I say this, but keep dreaming. As much as I want that to happen, technically, not only is Sakurai still on a break, but he has not had enough time to "recover"; if you know what I mean; from the last Smash Bros. game. I mean, he worked on Smash 4 and Smash Bros. Ultimate back to back as far as I know.

 

[Dukefire]

Smash Bros Ultimate was Sakurai's biggest project as it has the largest characters, music, stages and other content than any other fighting game we know so far. 20+ years of giving us a legendary series to the world.

Cherish those that are present currently. You will miss things if you ignore or overlook them.

 

[Zerp]

I mean, technically we could see the next Smash game next week. Just imagine a direct's playing and you hear the Smash trailer soundbite. And then bam, suddenly there's a Smash gacha game for mobile devices with horrendous controls and monetization. That can happen at any moment in our lives and nothing, absolutely nothing, can be done to stop it. After all, it's never been specified that the next Smash needs to be a console game

Psychological horror and jokes aside, I don't think the next (real) Smash has to be far away. I believe the next console's definitely a "sooner rather than later" thing. And, well, you'd want a Smash title out for that as soon as you can really. Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if development's already started on it.

 

[SpecterFlower]

No offense when I say this, but keep dreaming. As much as I want that to happen, technically, not only is Sakurai still on a break, but he has not had enough time to "recover"; if you know what I mean; from the last Smash Bros. game. I mean, he worked on Smash 4 and Smash Bros. Ultimate back to back as far as I know.

all I know is that there’s very likely remaster being worked on by bamco, the rest is speculation, for note I doubt Sakurai will be heading the next smash.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I could see Sakurai in a supervisory role of varying degrees of involvement on different projects. I think the guy likes game development too much to fully step away, but not being the director himself is likely the kind of break he's been wanting for a long time.

 

[CannonStreak]

all I know is that there’s very likely remaster being worked on by bamco, the rest is speculation, for note I doubt Sakurai will be heading the next smash.

What do you mean likely, if you don't mind me asking?

 

[SpecterFlower]

What do you mean likely, if you don't mind me asking?

3d action game resmaster contracted by Nintendo is in development at Bandai namco.
It goes along with previous rumours but I don’t really think those ones were super trustworthy.

there was also Sakurai “hinting” at it but that’s a likely nothing, I don’t have any direct sources but form what I can remember it’s mostly people taking too much out of SakuraI’s words.

 

[CannonStreak]

3d action game resmaster contracted by Nintendo is in development at Bandai namco.
It goes along with previous rumours but I don’t really think those ones were super trustworthy.

there was also Sakurai “hinting” at it but that’s a likely nothing, I don’t have any direct sources but form what I can remember it’s mostly people taking too much out of SakuraI’s words.

I see. But what if it is not a Smash remaster? What are the odds it is something else?

 

[SpecterFlower]

I see. But what if it is not a Smash remaster? What are the odds it is something else?

I meant kid Icarus uprising

 

[CannonStreak]

I meant kid Icarus uprising

Um, I am now confused. I mean, that is 3D and Smash is 2.5D, but how would a Smash game remaster have any relation to a game like Kid Icarus Uprising? Unless I am missing something, which I think I am.

 

[SpecterFlower]

Um, I am now confused. I mean, that is 3D and Smash is 2.5D, but how would a Smash game remaster have any relation to a game like Kid Icarus Uprising? Unless I am missing something, which I think I am.

I think I just messed up in communicating what I meant to say. There isn’t a smash game being remastered.

tbh idrc I’m just waiting for the new style savvy game, it’s been too long.

 

[CannonStreak]

I think I just messed up in communicating what I meant to say. There isn’t a smash game being remastered.

Gotcha. I figured you meant something like that. Like I said, a Smash remaster would be nice, but I don't see it happening.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Can this Nintendo Direct announce the third Project X Zone game with Sonic being the first character revealed?

Honestly buddy, i feel like PXZ is dead for now.


Monolith has been too busy with Xenoblade and Bamco has been spending money trying to break it's parent franchise SRW out of Japan, at this point all you can hope for is that the next srw game has it's switch version released worldwide.
There should be a new game in that series announced sometime this year. The release schedule seems to be a new game every two years and the last one was in 2021.

 

[Geno Boost]

would you prefer next smash starting roster to be based on the original 8 or something else?
personally i would like the starting roster to consist of the 8 most sold gaming franchise
like this


also same method for unlocking

 

[MomijiInubashiri630]

would you prefer next smash starting roster to be based on the original 8 or something else?
personally i would like the starting roster to consist of the 8 most sold gaming franchise
like this


also same method for unlocking

This is interesting I never seen anyone really speculate there could be a different starting roster, but you know what, I think the idea of 4 1st parties and 4 3rd parties is actually a pretty good idea.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Assuming we HAVE to start with 8 again, I actually like characters being ordered in order of their Smash appearance.

 

[Gengar84]

Assuming we HAVE to start with 8 again, I actually like characters being ordered in order of their Smash appearance.

I like it in theory but I find it a lot more difficult to find a particular character on the select screen than when they were sorted by series. Maybe the best solution is to allow us to customize how the fighters are organized or at least give us a few sorting options. I’m not exactly sure how difficult something like that would be to program or if it’s even feasible.

 

[osby]

would you prefer next smash starting roster to be based on the original 8 or something else?
personally i would like the starting roster to consist of the 8 most sold gaming franchise
like this


also same method for unlocking

It sounds interesting but I don't think there's anything wrong with the original 8. They're all beginner-friendly characters, unlike Steve or Hero, which is important for the fighters you first see on the CSS.

Also, I don't think the next game will keep the small starting roster given how it was tied to Everyone is Here and Ultimate cast being a culmination of the entre series.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Assuming we HAVE to start with 8 again, I actually like characters being ordered in order of their Smash appearance.

I wish we at least had the option to have the characters listed by Franchise.

 

[Geno Boost]

i do think it make more sense that the 8 most iconic game characters presented for the starting roster instead of the original 8 considering they have the largest audience and communities

I wish we at least had the option to have the characters listed by Franchise.

THIS
the roster is damn confusing
numbers are cool but only for website like it takes me too long to find wario in smash ultimate roster

 

[TCT~Phantom]

I doubt Sakurai is doing much of anything right now. He's semi retired. I don't think he'd lead a big project like that.

I think if Sakurai is going to be involved in the next Smash, it will be in more of an advisory role. Think of it like a guiding hand to help show a new director the ropes, give feedback on decisions, stuff like that. I doubt Sakurai has the energy to go back into the trenches again.

would you prefer next smash starting roster to be based on the original 8 or something else?
personally i would like the starting roster to consist of the 8 most sold gaming franchise
like this


also same method for unlocking

I think the original 8 is honestly a close to perfect starting point. They do a good job of showing off a variety of playstyles. You have Rushdown (Fox, Pika, Mario kinda since Smash 4), Superheavies (DK), All Rounders (Mario, Kirby to an extent, Yoshi), Zoners (Samus, Link), Grapplers (DK), and beginner friendly characters (Mario, Kirby). Having all these easy to understand and simple characters to start helps people learn the ropes for Smash.

Having simple characters just teach you how to play the game helps you play characters that would be more complex later. Characters teach you both based on their strengths but also their weaknesses. Link's above average at spacing, while Mario is below average: both teach you how to space your hitboxes accordingly. Samus teaches you how to zone efficiently, while Kirby forces you to approach. The simple lessons you learn early on help you learn more complex characters. Maybe you could have a larger starting roster with a few more characters like Bowser, Marth, or Sheik to help you further dive into these archetypes, but I think the original 8 is a great starting point.

I also loved unlocking every character in Ultimate, it was a blast. I only wish they had a few more unique unlock methods like in Brawl or Melee. Something like playing on X stage Y number of times to get Z character.

 

[Wunderwaft]

I mean, technically we could see the next Smash game next week. Just imagine a direct's playing and you hear the Smash trailer soundbite. And then bam, suddenly there's a Smash gacha game for mobile devices with horrendous controls and monetization. That can happen at any moment in our lives and nothing, absolutely nothing, can be done to stop it. After all, it's never been specified that the next Smash needs to be a console game

Psychological horror and jokes aside, I don't think the next (real) Smash has to be far away. I believe the next console's definitely a "sooner rather than later" thing. And, well, you'd want a Smash title out for that as soon as you can really. Genuinely wouldn't be surprised if development's already started on it.

The day a Smash gacha is revealed is the day the Smash community truly explodes in an inferno that no Fire Emblem reveal can ever compare to.

Anyways I also think the next console is coming much sooner than people think. We have rumors that Zelda TotK is the last big Nintendo game planned for the Switch (which bitterly means that MP4 is a game that won't come until the next console). We also have the Nvidia leak from last year which confirms something is in development (and the recent Nvidia exec meetings with Nintendo in Japan).

Smash games start pre-development before their respective console even is revealed so there's a very good chance the next Smash game already is underway in development, and since every Smash game after 64 released within the first two years of a new system's release we could be seeing the next Smash release in like two to three years from now.

 

[Sucumbio]

The day a Smash gacha is revealed is the day the Smash community truly explodes in an inferno that no Fire Emblem reveal can ever compare to.

Anyways I also think the next console is coming much sooner than people think. We have rumors that Zelda TotK is the last big Nintendo game planned for the Switch (which bitterly means that MP4 is a game that won't come until the next console). We also have the Nvidia leak from last year which confirms something is in development (and the recent Nvidia exec meetings with Nintendo in Japan).

Smash games start pre-development before their respective console even is revealed so there's a very good chance the next Smash game already is underway in development, and since every Smash game after 64 released within the first two years of a new system's release we could be seeing the next Smash release in like two to three years from now.

And after allllll you're my wunder waaaaft

Sorry couldn't resist because you're so right! I think we're getting the next console by holiday season 2024 with pre orders by June. Metroid prime 4 will be a launch title and the next Smash will be out quarter 1 2026. And this is generous to me. We really could see a new console by beginning of '24. I forget how much time passes between Twilight Princess and the Wii but I got it on GCN bc I loved Zelda and the GC. I see Tears of the Kingdom releasing on the next console as another launch title along with the next Xenoblade. That's 3 A titles you can predict for 2024... Pokemon and even Smash in 25, 26 at the latest.

 

[Ivander]

The day a Smash gacha is revealed is the day the Smash community truly explodes in an inferno that no Fire Emblem reveal can ever compare to.

I don't see a Smash gacha happening. Can I see Smash eventually going down the whole long-term game like say Multiverse, Fortnite, etc? I could see it happening one day, but I think a "Smash Gacha" would be very damning if it was "Smash Bros., but now you got to hope you get the characters you want from a event". Could I see a Nintendo Gacha, like "still a Nintendo crossover, but it's own thing different from Smash Bros" happen? Yeah, it's not impossible.

But I'm very positive that Nintendo would never want Smash Bros. to gain the stigma that comes with Gacha games and that if they eventually go down the whole "long-term service" deal that they will be very careful with how they handle it.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I know there were leaks/rumors on Tellius remakes but the current word is that FE4 is next. And, honestly, I don't see any reason for them to stop doing the remakes in order, especially for the ones that are going to be 100% new to most Westerners. So, we'll see on that.

Yeah, Ike's uniqueness does help his innate popularity, and I think I brought that up before.

As for overestimating Smash's effects on series and characters, again it's in the realm of the hypothetical to talk about what would've happened to them without Smash's aid. Best you can do is perhaps to compare to other characters and games of similar eras, genres, and marketing/sales levels.

FE4 is probably next in line yeah. It's been mentioned ever since the first Engage rumors, that turned out to be true. I've also read Engage was in the ready for 2 years or so. And they might've postponed it to make best use out of the newfound western popularity of FE Heroes, and Sigurd and Leaf as characters.

Speaking of Fire Emblem, with Engage being out now how do people feel about the Divine One Alear ?

 

[SPEN18]

Which characters are starters/unlockables is not that important to me, but if I got my way the starting roster would simply consist of the "obvious" picks like the OG8 plus some other ones like possibly Villager, Inkling, Marth, Wario, honestly even Shulk at this point, etc., not necessarily those exact ones but at least that sort of crowd. I guess "highest priority picks" would be an alright way to put it. I think it's important to have plenty of newbie-friendly characters in the starting roster, but Smash 4 had a big starting roster with some of the more complicated characters in it so I don't think it's an issue to have a few more complicated picks in there, as long as new players have enough options to fall back on if they try a character who doesn't work out for them.
I like a steady stream of unlockable characters as I start the game and I also like unique unlock methods, which are not only more interesting but also really handy if I'd like to get a particular character early without having to grind for it.
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What I'd really like from the CSS, though, which probably won't ever happen, is full flexibility to order the characters however I'd like, show/hide characters individually, and freely manipulate the pool of characters that the random spot is allowed to choose from.

 

[Oracle Link]

TBH, I think that with the "fixed cast" franchises like Mario, Kirby, and (sort of) Zelda, it's very easy to say who is and isn't important. We can't say FLUDD, Elfilin, and Skull Kid are important outside the games they appear in.

Sure, I think Mario from now on will get by on giving certain older characters their time to shine and/or promote them to spin-off regular, but does Zelda need a core main cast beyond the Triforce holders? Does Kirby need anything more than the perfect quartet of Kirby, Meta Knight, Dedede, and Bandana Waddle Dee?

Pokémon, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, and other "rotating cast" franchises will continue to accrue important characters, though, but there's the issue of those characters falling off in importance when the new hotness comes around.

Zelda Does have major Reacuring Elements tho the biggest is Probably Impa She was There Since Day One And Appeared much more than Ganondorf and MUCH More than Sheik!
Then we have Stuff like Gorons, Zoras and Maybe Octorocks or Heck make Gohma or Dodongo Playable!
And Kirby HAs A Bigger MAin Cast and Reacuring Characters than just the 4!
I Mean Magolor is a Major Character now, You Could Go for Whispy and Kracko and i think someone Who had Two Big Major Roles Should Qualify as a Potential Character so Skull Kid, Vaati and Tons Of Kirby Characters make sense!

 

[TCT~Phantom]

The day a Smash gacha is revealed is the day the Smash community truly explodes in an inferno that no Fire Emblem reveal can ever compare to.

Anyways I also think the next console is coming much sooner than people think. We have rumors that Zelda TotK is the last big Nintendo game planned for the Switch (which bitterly means that MP4 is a game that won't come until the next console). We also have the Nvidia leak from last year which confirms something is in development (and the recent Nvidia exec meetings with Nintendo in Japan).

Smash games start pre-development before their respective console even is revealed so there's a very good chance the next Smash game already is underway in development, and since every Smash game after 64 released within the first two years of a new system's release we could be seeing the next Smash release in like two to three years from now.

I am also of the belief that the next Smash is coming sooner rather than later.

I think the math just lines up for it. Nintendo's next system probably is launching sometime in either 2024 or 2025. That gives us a window of 2024-2027 where the next Smash will potentially drop. My guess is we will get a few more "big" titles like Pikmin 3 later this year, but games like the Odyssey Team's new game (DK or not) and Prime 4 might come out for both systems. Honestly, it would not shock me if we did get an Ultimate DX or at least a Smash game using some of Ultimate's data/work as a skeleton to speed up development.

I also think that if we are getting a new Smash, it will overwhelmingly pull from the Switch era. So, picks like Officer Howard, Bandana Dee, Pauline, Noaha and/or Mio, Waluigi, or Ring Fit Trainee all would get a nice feather in their caps.

 

[fogbadge]

Speaking of Fire Emblem, with Engage being out now how do people feel about the Divine One Alear ?

that they could give him the moveset of any other FE character

 

[Gengar84]

I am also of the belief that the next Smash is coming sooner rather than later.

I think the math just lines up for it. Nintendo's next system probably is launching sometime in either 2024 or 2025. That gives us a window of 2024-2027 where the next Smash will potentially drop. My guess is we will get a few more "big" titles like Pikmin 3 later this year, but games like the Odyssey Team's new game (DK or not) and Prime 4 might come out for both systems. Honestly, it would not shock me if we did get an Ultimate DX or at least a Smash game using some of Ultimate's data/work as a skeleton to speed up development.

I also think that if we are getting a new Smash, it will overwhelmingly pull from the Switch era. So, picks like Officer Howard, Bandana Dee, Pauline, Noaha and/or Mio, Waluigi, or Ring Fit Trainee all would get a nice feather in their caps.

I’d be cool with those, especially Officer Howard and Noah/Mio but I’m hoping they still give representation to their classic characters as well. I’d love a good mix of modern and retro characters from Nintendo and third parties.

 

[Oracle Link]

So Considering the Next Smash could come Out During 2024
Lets All Try To Agree Which Characters Should be Prioritized for the most Happy People while also keeping in mind Which Franchises have gotten A LOT!
Mario, Pokemon, FE: Nothing? Cuts And Replacements if so who? And Even More Unbalanced Roster?
Zelda: Impa? Skullkid?
Kirby: Bandana Waddle Dee
Splatoon: Octoling
Earthbound: A New Rep?
A Indie Rep?

I Do Atleast hope that BWD Finnaly has no big Pushback Anymore! He Had Huge Pushback in rthe Past!