Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Diddy Kong]

How the heck do you even make Doc or Pichu unique then?

Hell, if Dixie Kong were added, how would you make her unique from Diddy?

Holy **** we're actually back to this **** again!?

Again?!

Look Diddy and Dixie have as much differences in basic gameplay in DKC as DK and Diddy. Diddy wasn't ever a DK clone either.

Just play the games, you'll know why.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

There's enough material in the DKC games to make Dixie as close or as far from Diddy as one would want, especially if the moveset conception of the former is closer to the 64/Melee/Brawl model of being inspired by elements from the source games rather than having the character play as if they were lifted directly from them.

 

[MrMcNuts]

I feel people often forget that captain falcon, one of the most loved characters and movesets, has a completely made up moveset of stuff he doesn't do in his games.

If they truly want to Sakurai and Co. can give anyone a unique moveset. The No Moveset potential arguement has been low key dead since the first game.

 

[Quillion]

There's enough material in the DKC games to make Dixie as close or as far from Diddy as one would want, especially if the moveset conception of the former is closer to the 64/Melee/Brawl model of being inspired by elements from the source games rather than having the character play as if they were lifted directly from them.

I feel people often forget that captain falcon, one of the most loved characters and movesets, has a completely made up moveset of stuff he doesn't do in his games.

If they truly want to Sakurai and Co. can give anyone a unique moveset. The No Moveset potential arguement has been low key dead since the first game.

Yeah, but it feels like they largely spent their "make things up" fuel on 64 and Melee while leaving little for later games, to the point that they try to recreate source game mechanics where possible.

I actively want Dixie in as an Isabelle-level divergent clone at most since it feels like any attempt to make her as "unique" as possible might lead to something incohesive and outlandish for the sake of being faithful to canon. Kinda like giving Donkey Kong a barrel toss but on a whole moveset scale.

 

[fogbadge]

The No Moveset potential arguement has been low key dead since the first game.

ah good someone gets it

 

[MrMcNuts]

Yeah, but it feels like they largely spent their "make things up" fuel on 64 and Melee while leaving little for later games, to the point that they try to recreate source game mechanics where possible.

I actively want Dixie in as an Isabelle-level divergent clone at most since it feels like any attempt to make her as "unique" as possible might lead to something incohesive and outlandish for the sake of being faithful to canon. Kinda like giving Donkey Kong a barrel toss but on a whole moveset scale.

Oh she definitely has material to work with, just station plenty of characters with little material can still have crazy movesets

 

[HyperSomari64]

There's enough material in the DKC games to make Dixie as close or as far from Diddy as one would want, especially if the moveset conception of the former is closer to the 64/Melee/Brawl model of being inspired by elements from the source games rather than having the character play as if they were lifted directly from them.

make her a duo with Kiddy instead.
Or a three-way swappable characters like Pokémon Trainer

 

[Sucumbio]

Kinda like giving Donkey Kong a barrel toss but on a whole moveset scale.

I want a barrel toss tho...

 

[Swamp Sensei]

For fun, I figured I'd go to the next step and list the CYL winners who didn't get added as Emblems, since some may be interested in that list as well. I'll spoiler tag it because the list inherently gives away some of the unrevealed DLC characters, but the running theme is that it's generally filled with "lords from games with multiple lords" and "Three Houses side characters" lol. Though it does go to show how well liked the latter group is.

Spoiler: CYL Winners who aren't Emblems

Alm, Seliph, Eliwood, Adult Tiki (though Young Tiki is an Emblem), Lysithea, Marianne, Gatekeeper

Man I really hope that

Spoiler

Robin

gets in as an emblem.

If they aren't included then they would be...

Spoiler

The only FE character in Smash who isn't an Emblem.

It's not like they aren't popular either. They've consistently been at the top of the polls for a long time.

Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.

 

[fogbadge]

Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.

Spoiler

what an ironic thing to say about robin on a smash website

 

[Quillion]

NGL, I wish we had a character in the newer Smash games that has so little fighting material that they're forced to make specials up like Falcon again.

 

[smashkirby]

NGL, I wish we had a character in the newer Smash games that has so little fighting material that they're forced to make specials up like Falcon again.

I've noticed that I seem to support a LOT of characters like that. Primarily, they're Nintendo characters, but still.

 

[MrMcNuts]

NGL, I wish we had a character in the newer Smash games that has so little fighting material that they're forced to make specials up like Falcon again.

As the resident Rayman enjoyer I gotta say despite there being plenty of material to work with I've always wanted them to do some crazy things with the fact he's limbless. I'm talking like rolling your torso like bowling ball or just all kinds of wacko stuff.

Good example of this is Smash Flash 2 and Crusade both gave him a neutral air where his hands and feet just spin around his body and while it ain't ground breaking on how it functions I just love it visually <3

 

[chocolatejr9]

I've noticed that I seem to support a LOT of characters like that. Primarily, they're Nintendo characters, but still.

Lark jumps into a cannon for his Neutral Special.

(Look, I've never played Pilotwings 64, okay?)

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Well, in Pichu's case, it's probably because he has a different skeleton from Pikachu or something...

Anyway, sorry to change the topic (especially since this relates to Fire Emblem), but apparently Engage's DLC has leaked and I think it gives a good idea towards some "popular" characters from the series, for those who prefer those picks:

Spoiler: Engage DLC Leak

Specifically, we're getting Emblems of Hector, Veronica, Soren, Chrom, and Camilla.

My face when Camilla is a returning character

NGL, I wish we had a character in the newer Smash games that has so little fighting material that they're forced to make specials up like Falcon again.

Hypothetically that would be what a Detective club rep would be, considering the whole visual novel thing.

 

[Laniv]

I want a barrel toss tho...

The solution: add Cranky Kong and give him the barrel throw because he was the one that actually threw them.

 

[Gengar84]

The solution: add Cranky Kong and give him the barrel throw because he was the one that actually threw them.

Technically, every playable King in the DKC series throws barrels too even if Cranky did it first in the arcades.

 

[Perkilator]

Hypothetically that would be what a Detective club rep would be, considering the whole visual novel thing.

Or if she were introduced in Melee there’s a chance she could be a Zelda clone

Btw, on the topic of unorthodox fighters:

It's Gyaraga the fighting ship from Galaga! Commission for @mysticalgnocchi As a Smash fighter Gyaraga transforms into a walking machine using it's bottom cannon as feet. When in the air it resumes it's classic ship form. pic.twitter.com/EZbgZHpp60

— P-Fritz (@p_fritzart) January 18, 2023

 

[Wunderwaft]

Good to see you again! pic.twitter.com/jFablrmcCp

— Doug Bowser (@thetruebowser) January 15, 2023

Zenji Nishikawa, a well-known Japanese science and technology writer, has revealed that he’s seeing some movement with regards to new hardware from Nintendo, possibly the Nintendo Switch successor, and that a “super VIP” individual belonging to a well-known semiconductor manufacturer, possibly Nvidia, will soon be visiting Japan.

Hmm....Doug visiting Japan and an important VIP from Nvidia also visiting Japan around the same time? Must be just a coincidence.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Btw, on the topic of unorthodox fighters:

A starfighter shouldn't become a Fighter. But if one did, it should be the Vic Viper from Gradius.

 

[Gengar84]

Or if she were introduced in Melee there’s a chance she could be a Zelda clone

Btw, on the topic of unorthodox fighters:

It's Gyaraga the fighting ship from Galaga! Commission for @mysticalgnocchi As a Smash fighter Gyaraga transforms into a walking machine using it's bottom cannon as feet. When in the air it resumes it's classic ship form. pic.twitter.com/EZbgZHpp60

— P-Fritz (@p_fritzart) January 18, 2023

That sounds like a fun idea and would be really interesting to see. I’m always in favor of unorthodox fighters. Are there any non humanoid characters anyone would like to see make it in Smash? The easy answer for me is various Pokémon like Gengar but beyond that I’d still love to see a Goomba and I think a Hydralisk from StarCraft could be a ton of fun (even if my top pick is Kerrigan). Other less likely options I’d love to see are summons like Ifrit or Bahamut from FF, Bugzzy from Kirby, or any number of various monsters from other games.

If there aren’t any characters with no humanoid body types you’d like to see, how about humanoid characters that aren’t human. There’s a ton here I’d love to see personally. Some examples are the Battletoads, Illidan, Fulgore, Illidan, Raziel, Death (Darksiders), EMMI, Raven Beak, and others.

 

[Sucumbio]

That sounds like a fun idea and would be really interesting to see. I’m always in favor of unorthodox fighters. Are there any non humanoid characters anyone would like to see make it in Smash? The easy answer for me is various Pokémon like Gengar but beyond that I’d still love to see a Goomba and I think a Hydralisk from StarCraft could be a ton of fun (even if my top pick is Kerrigan). Other less likely options I’d love to see are summons like Ifrit or Bahamut from FF, Bugzzy from Kirby, or any number of various monsters from other games.

If there aren’t any characters with no humanoid body types you’d like to see, how about humanoid characters that aren’t human. There’s a ton here I’d love to see personally. Some examples are the Battletoads, Illidan, Fulgore, Illidan, Raziel, Death (Darksiders), EMMI, Raven Beak, and others.

I think Tetris block would be cool!

 

[osby]

That sounds like a fun idea and would be really interesting to see. I’m always in favor of unorthodox fighters. Are there any non humanoid characters anyone would like to see make it in Smash? The easy answer for me is various Pokémon like Gengar but beyond that I’d still love to see a Goomba and I think a Hydralisk from StarCraft could be a ton of fun (even if my top pick is Kerrigan). Other less likely options I’d love to see are summons like Ifrit or Bahamut from FF, Bugzzy from Kirby, or any number of various monsters from other games.

If there aren’t any characters with no humanoid body types you’d like to see, how about humanoid characters that aren’t human. There’s a ton here I’d love to see personally. Some examples are the Battletoads, Illidan, Fulgore, Illidan, Raziel, Death (Darksiders), EMMI, Raven Beak, and others.

Here's how Full Metal Daemon Muramasa can win

A cool robotic suit of armor or a giant mecha spider, pick your poison.

 

[HyperSomari64]

I think Tetris block would be cool!

I rather prefer seeing an actual Tetris character.
And it's not the Tetromino-made man.

Spoiler: PPT2 Spoiler

 

[Nabbitfan730]

That sounds like a fun idea and would be really interesting to see. I’m always in favor of unorthodox fighters. Are there any non humanoid characters anyone would like to see make it in Smash? The easy answer for me is various Pokémon like Gengar but beyond that I’d still love to see a Goomba and I think a Hydralisk from StarCraft could be a ton of fun (even if my top pick is Kerrigan). Other less likely options I’d love to see are summons like Ifrit or Bahamut from FF, Bugzzy from Kirby, or any number of various monsters from other games.

If there aren’t any characters with no humanoid body types you’d like to see, how about humanoid characters that aren’t human. There’s a ton here I’d love to see personally. Some examples are the Battletoads, Illidan, Fulgore, Illidan, Raziel, Death (Darksiders), EMMI, Raven Beak, and others.

I hoping for character like that. Piranha Plant was literal fresh air from the protag we have been getting.

I would be interested in one of the monsters from Monster Hunter instead of the Hunter like Magnamalo

Or even Jack Frost from SMT

 

[Gengar84]

I hoping for character like that. Piranha Plant was literal fresh air from the protag we have been getting.

I would be interested in one of the monsters from Monster Hunter instead of the Hunter like Magnamalo

Or even Jack Frost from SMT

For Monster Hunter, I think we could possibly get the best of both worlds with the protagonist from Stories 2 as a rider class on the back of a baby Rathalos. It’s probably not as likely as the default Hunter but I think it could be fun and unique. Another option for a rider class could have been Nia and Dromarch from Xenoblade 2 but we ended up with Pyra/Mythra instead.

 

[fogbadge]

Are there any non humanoid characters anyone would like to see make it in Smash?

well i was in favour of mimikyu as the gen 7 rep. there's also plenty of other pokemon but for keeping it brief i will list the ones from my gen 9 team, skeldirge, dachsbun and tatsugiri. hang on what does baxcalibur count as? i'm sure grafaiai and garganacl don't. anyway if you're counting gengar i'm counting toad and chibi. also bandana waddle dee. that dog from the new FE, a bulborb from pikmin, any non humanoid zelda character. i'll get back to you when i think of more

Another option for a rider class could have been Nia and Dromarch from Xenoblade 2 but we ended up with Pyra/Mythra instead.

i think sak made it pretty clear he was determined to have those two no matter what

 

[Wonder Smash]

I was thinking for whenever Kunio and Riki grabs a hammer, their swinging animation should reference their sprite animation from River City Ransom when they use the Mach Strike.

 

[Gengar84]

well i was in favour of mimikyu as the gen 7 rep. there's also plenty of other pokemon but for keeping it brief i will list the ones from my gen 9 team, skeldirge, dachsbun and tatsugiri. hang on what does baxcalibur count as? i'm sure grafaiai and garganacl don't. anyway if you're counting gengar i'm counting toad and chibi. also bandana waddle dee. that dog from the new FE, a bulborb from pikmin, any non humanoid zelda character. i'll get back to you when i think of more



i think sak made it pretty clear he was determined to have those two no matter what

Yeah, sadly I don’t think secondary characters like Nia have a huge chance to make it in as things currently stand, as much as I’d love to see more. I don’t think they’re impossible but they’d really have to have something going for them to be chosen before a game’s main protagonist. I suppose you could make the argument that neither Pyra or Mythra were the main protagonists of Xenoblade 2 so that’s something at least. Same for Minmin and ARMS.

Slight Xenoblade 3 spoilers:

Spoiler

Nia does play a big role in Xenoblade 3 however so that might help her chances of eventually making it in a bit.

 

[Stratos]

Some have thought of that human figure from Labo and called it Laboman. I think he could come as a newcomer in a future Super Smash Bros game, have moves based off of that, and have his Final Smash be Robot Kit.

 

[fogbadge]

Yeah, sadly I don’t think secondary characters like Nia have a huge chance to make it in as things currently stand, as much as I’d love to see more. I don’t think they’re impossible but they’d really have to have something going for them to be chosen before a game’s main protagonist. I suppose you could make the argument that neither Pyra or Mythra were the main protagonists of Xenoblade 2 so that’s something at least. Same for Minmin and ARMS.

Slight Xenoblade 3 spoilers:

Spoiler

Nia does play a big role in Xenoblade 3 however so that might help her chances of eventually making it in a bit.

maybe but I think we’re better off hoping for a xenoblade warriors

 

[Laniv]

Are there any non humanoid characters anyone would like to see make it in Smash?

Dixie Kong, for one. King Boo for another. Magolor for a third. Depending on the definition of humanoid, Toad, Bandana Dee, and Buzzwole too.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Dixie Kong, for one. King Boo for another. Magolor for a third. Depending on the definition of humanoid, Toad, Bandana Dee, and Buzzwole too.

I'm pretty sure Dixie kong and Toad kinda fall into "Humanoid"

 

[Gengar84]

Here’s another question: What criteria are most important to you for your most wanted characters? There’s a lot of things to consider for what a character can bring to Smash. Here are just a few things I consider off the top of my head:

1. Character design
2. Moveset potential
3. Personality
4. Music
5. Legacy (either to Nintendo or gaming as a whole)
6. Stage
7. Other (items, assists, Miis, etc…)

These are more or less listed from most to least important to me for my own most wanted characters. I think that all of these are important in their own way and I could easily imagine others ordering these completely differently, not caring much about some at all, or even adding new fields. I’m curious as to what everyone here thinks.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Here’s another question: What criteria are most important to you for your most wanted characters? There’s a lot of things to consider for what a character can bring to Smash. Here are just a few things I consider off the top of my head:

1. Character design
2. Moveset potential
3. Personality
4. Music
5. Legacy (either to Nintendo or gaming as a whole
6. Stage
7. Other (items, assists, Miis, etc…)

These are more or less listed from most to least important to me for my own most wanted characters. I think that all of these are important in their own way and I could easily imagine others ordering these completely differently, not caring much about some at all, or even adding new fields. I’m curious as to what everyone here thinks.

1. Character design (so long as they blend well enough with Nintendo characters)
2. Moveset potential
3. Music
4. Legacy (primarily Nintendo)
5. Stage
6. Other (spirits and trophies)

As a bonus, I would also look at whatever their series or company has in relation to Nintendo themselves. That could either be a crossover with Nintendo, their game(s) published by Nintendo, or their games having some kind of influence on Nintendo.

 

[HyperSomari64]

1. Character design
2. Moveset potential
3. Personality
4. Music
5. Legacy (either to Nintendo or gaming as a whole)
6. Stage
7. Other (items, assists, Miis, etc…)

What?
In that case E.T. the Extra-terrestrial is a future candidate for Smash?, because the Atari 2600 game (with the port of PAC-MAN for the same console) caused the Video Game Crash of 1983.
While it has an historical impact on video games, that can be said for the game itself.

What about non-gaming franchises that only ONE single entry that is fondly remembered by everyone while it's other games are often forgotten by the public eye (namely arcade Popeye, DuckTales for the NES, GoldenEye 007 for the N64). The Motion-Sensor Bomb was in the first Smash, but it design was re-arranged to distance from it's origins.

The problem with "famous IPs that had rich histories with video games" is kinda ambigous, Sakurai may like licensed games but he established a rule because "Licensing Expensive". Many people (including myself) want their 4th Party characters in Smash, and yet still accept that they are impossible.

Spoiler: TL;DR

Optimus Prime from the Famicom Transformers game for Smash

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Here’s another question: What criteria are most important to you for your most wanted characters? There’s a lot of things to consider for what a character can bring to Smash. Here are just a few things I consider off the top of my head:

1. Character design
2. Moveset potential
3. Personality
4. Music
5. Legacy (either to Nintendo or gaming as a whole)
6. Stage
7. Other (items, assists, Miis, etc…)

These are more or less listed from most to least important to me for my own most wanted characters. I think that all of these are important in their own way and I could easily imagine others ordering these completely differently, not caring much about some at all, or even adding new fields. I’m curious as to what everyone here thinks.

I like them

 

[Wonder Smash]

What?
In that case E.T. the Extra-terrestrial is a future candidate for Smash?, because the Atari 2600 game (with the port of PAC-MAN for the same console) caused the Video Game Crash of 1983.
While it has an historical impact on video games, that can be said for the game itself.

What about non-gaming franchises that only ONE single entry that is fondly remembered by everyone while it's other games are often forgotten by the public eye (namely arcade Popeye, DuckTales for the NES, GoldenEye 007 for the N64). The Motion-Sensor Bomb was in the first Smash, but it design was re-arranged to distance from it's origins.

The problem with "famous IPs that had rich histories with video games" is kinda ambigous, Sakurai may like licensed games but he established a rule because "Licensing Expensive". Many people (including myself) want their 4th Party characters in Smash, and yet still accept that they are impossible.

Spoiler: TL;DR

Optimus Prime from the Famicom Transformers game for Smash

Tell me you're joking.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

For me it's music and Legacy.

I dont mind if i dont inherently like a character in Smash as long as the character has some important connection to gaming as a whole, i'm not a Xenoblade guy for example but the Xeno series has a massive fanbase going back to the PS1 days that has only grown bigger since Nintendo got the series with Xenoblade. So i'm fine with it having 3 characters.


And music to me is very much an important factor, i love a good bop of a game song. That's why it annoys me how Street fighter has two sets of the same songs when they should have focused ongathering songs from some of the NonSF2 cast, like Sakura, Dan, Karin and Juri.

Also here is a compilation of songs from a series i want in smash someday:

And just one other song that i wanted to share since i'm talking about gaming music

 

[Gengar84]

What?
In that case E.T. the Extra-terrestrial is a future candidate for Smash?, because the Atari 2600 game (with the port of PAC-MAN for the same console) caused the Video Game Crash of 1983.
While it has an historical impact on video games, that can be said for the game itself.

What about non-gaming franchises that only ONE single entry that is fondly remembered by everyone while it's other games are often forgotten by the public eye (namely arcade Popeye, DuckTales for the NES, GoldenEye 007 for the N64). The Motion-Sensor Bomb was in the first Smash, but it design was re-arranged to distance from it's origins.

The problem with "famous IPs that had rich histories with video games" is kinda ambigous, Sakurai may like licensed games but he established a rule because "Licensing Expensive". Many people (including myself) want their 4th Party characters in Smash, and yet still accept that they are impossible.

Spoiler: TL;DR

Optimus Prime from the Famicom Transformers game for Smash

While I have no issues at all with non gaming characters making it into Smash, that’s not really what I was referring to. I was mostly talking about big third party franchises like StarCraft, League of Legends, Mortal Kombat, DOOM, and others like that that were very influential to gaming but not necessarily to Nintendo specifically. I would prefer a bit more weight be given to those with strong histories with Nintendo but not to exclude any who may not.