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I think all Toon Link really needs to feel different enough is 3/4 different specials.
Ya he's definitely not as safe as some fans might assume. Was one of the last few in Brawl to begin with and I doubt he would've made 4 if he didn't make Brawl. But even as someone who would prefer basically a total do-over of the Zelda roster minus like Link and Zelda, I can also easily see TL coming back, since even the devs are probably used to having an "easy" Link variant...then again, to be real TL is different enough from vanilla Link that he's not really such an "easy" add anymore. So we'll see.
Smaller, faster Link is a gameplay style that is worth keeping. Link's such a popular character that lots of people will want to play him, even if he doesn't fit their playstyle. Toon Link is a good way to solve that problem.
Have him be something besides just another bow/bomb/boomerang Link. LoZ has, like, a couple dozen different subweapons in it. Use them.
Because any character not an Echo should be decloned as much as possible.
Wha-? 75% is in no way equal to 100%.
That kind of ignores why there are clones in the first place, that's kind of a really old mindset I am shocked is still around. If they weren't clones, they wouldn't have been added at all. Ganondorf is an exception because he would've just been added in Brawl and he SHOULD be decloned because there's zero relation to Falcon, but everyone else no way lol. The difference with clones and echoes seems to be that clones are simply a different way to play that certain character. Young Link, Toon Link, Dr. Mario, Pichu, are different ways to play an already existing moveset. Their stats have a significant difference compared to echoes. De-cloning them ruins the point of their addition. Would I be against it? Not really. But there's a clear reason why they are added and without them being clones, they wouldn't be added at all.
you said "literally all they did in the past 5 years was ni no kuni 2" meaning you are claiming all that they did in the last 5 years was ni no kuni 2. you see the word "literally" is synonymous with factual, word for word, factual. so what you were saying is that there were no games which just isn't true
I checked in the synonym database and no where did “literally” and “factual” show up. You read what we said waaaaay too literally and it 100% feels like “making a mound out of a molehill” type of argument. They just listed one game of note but then listed several other games that no one truly cares about. Yes, they made several games with No no Kuni II and maybe Yokai Watch 4 being of note but the rest was poorly received products. “Literally” in this sentence does not mean “factual” but, rather, “more or less” but in a more slightly exaggerated and exacerbated tone. Please stop being nitpicky about what people say.
so crash here uses a word in a different context and what I was supposed to just magically know what they meant?
But not in this context.
well I don’t live in his head so how am I supposed to know that? You say they literally done nothing in five years how am I supposed to know that they didn’t mean it literally?
Honestly, I doubt he’s in much danger.
There are clones in the first place because Echoes didn't exist yet.
Yes, and replaces it with something BETTER. A unique moveset is better than a different way to play an already existing moveset.
How the heck do you even make Doc or Pichu unique then?
There are several ways to make Dixie unique from Diddy. Two examples could be using the animal buddies or a tag mechanic with Kiddy. Diddy and Dixie don’t actually share any attacks besides the bubble gum gun being similar to the peanut gun. For example, Dixie uses her hair for most of her attacks, which Diddy doesn’t have. Conversely, Dixie doesn’t have a tail.
First, english is not my first langage so I might have misused "literally". That being said, even assuming that I misused the word, you cut half of the sentence. I said that they did in the past 5 years "Ni no kuni 2, a bunch of crossmedia games that nobody cared about and delaying Inazuma eleven", which still stands true.
The main reason is that Dixie only really had two attacks in the original trilogy. First is a hair twirl that acts as a dash attack and lets her float in the air. Second is she picked up enemies and objects with her hair. In Tropical Freeze, she also uses her hair to gain extra height. The only attack that she’s ever used on her own that didn’t use her hair was the bubble gum gun. Since her moveset on her own is a bit limited, I would personally like to see either the animal buddies incorporated as specials or a tag mechanic with Kiddy rather than make up a ton of moves for her she’s never done like they did with DK and Diddy.
ok I was misunderstood and I’m sorry about that
You don't. You relabel them Echoes.
Honestly, I always thought Doc should have just been a costume from the beginning. He’s literally just Mario in a doctor’s outfit.
Toon Link’s my least favorite Zelda character but reasons like this is why I think he should stay. Even though I don’t personally care for him, he’s got a lot of fans and he doesn’t require of resources to keep so why cut him?
But you could say "he's got a lot of fans" for a lot of other potential clone characters, too, who probably don't take any more or less resources on average? Why should the veteran status mean anything? It's not like there is space for unlimited clones, and we've seen clones throughout the years get cut even after being planned and having some work done on them, so the priorities still matter a lot for them.
That’s a fair point, which is why I’m against cuts in general. At the same time, I realize that they are often a necessity due to lack of development time but I don’t really like the thought of people losing their favorite character, even if I don’t personally care for them. If I was making the game strictly for my own enjoyment, I’d be a lot more on board with a ton of cuts to make room for personal favorites. I think if they are going to have to cut a bunch of characters, I’d like to see the series take a new direction and be reworked from the ground up. Otherwise, I would prefer they just keep building on Ultimate. I just really don’t want to end up with “Ultimate but worse”.
Ya losing a favorite character stinks, but what also stinks is not ever getting them in the first place. Personally I'd like them to go for a balance of vets and newcomers. I get the sentiment of wanting to watch out for the fans; I just personally don't equate that with a "no cuts, no buts" philosophy.
Tbh I wouldn't really be afraid of that one. Maybe they will prove me to be giving them way too much credit, but I think they're far too smart to try to sell "Ultimate Lite" years after the original Ultimate.
I always wondered that myself. How are those characters NOT labeled as echoes has always been a mystery to me.
Well, in Pichu's case, it's probably because he has a different skeleton from Pikachu or something...
Actually we probably should talk about Engage's release as it comes upon us.
The "Ultimate but worse" in my opinion sounds like the recipe for an insult to video game history (the complete opposite)
That's a rather small (no pun intended) difference but it sure doesn't explain Dr. Mario.
Excuse taken for some random thoughts on Garbodor.
Sure thing.
I actually kind of like Garbodor. It’s not one of my favorites or anything but I’ve always thought it was pretty cool. Magikarp, on the other hand, was once my favorite Pokémon. We really should have gotten it over Goldeen.
I met people who apoloziged about well-hated characters (Kiddy Kong, Tingle, Bubsy, Corrin. Heck! I' an Oogtar apologist). But apologizing to Garbodor would be the craziest hot take i read.
Zelda would profit massively from a total overhaul in the roster. I wouldn't say Toon Link is absolutely 100% safe. But safer than both Sheik and Young Link.
For fun, I figured I'd go to the next step and list the CYL winners who didn't get added as Emblems, since some may be interested in that list as well. I'll spoiler tag it because the list inherently gives away some of the unrevealed DLC characters, but the running theme is that it's generally filled with "lords from games with multiple lords" and "Three Houses side characters" lol. Though it does go to show how well liked the latter group is.
