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The ironic thing is that "Smash makes a lot of money" is also not factoring in the reality that not only is it not Nintendo's best selling series, but what is is a game that isn't as reliant on third-party licensing, therefore Nintendo has to spend less on making it and more of its profits go to Nintendo and Nintendo alone.
Well that is something we don't really pay attention to when we debate EIH2: The drain on resources from it happening the first time wasn't just having to recreate the missing veterans, it's also from all the various ways they made sure the vets that were already there weren't just carbon copies of their Smash 4 selves. Mr. Game & Watch having his animations redone so he turns into the characters he's been borrowing stuff from would've required a lot of his moves to be completely redone from the ground up for example.
Yeah, you’re right that it does still take work and resources to update characters from just the previous game. I don’t think it’s as much as the missing veterans but it’s still something. I would imagine the amount of work it takes is proportional to how many changes each character gets. We don’t really know just how big the gameplay will be different in the next game so it’s hard to make a solid prediction on that aspect.
It began as a Slowpoke joke (give a very delayed reaction followed by
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Correct, this is Smash spec
The single biggest contributor of Ultimate's success was Switch's massive install base. The next game's level of success will also be at least roughly proportional to its install base. That's the reason many series saw a bump in sales, aka the Switch Effect.
What I mean is that we tend to circle back all the time and talk about cuts at the expense of anything else. Not saying that we shouldn’t talk about it at all but most people just seem to be repeating the same things over and over without adding anything new. It just back and forth between “Everyone is Here Forever!” and “That’s wrong, we’ll have a much smaller roster next time!”. There usually isn’t much more to the debate than that. I do try to participate and offer my own perspective but it does get a little tiring sometimes. I’m not trying to police the conversation or anything and it’s cool if that’s what we all want to do but I feel like everyone’s mind is pretty set in stone here and repeating things isn’t really getting anywhere. Apologies if that opinion bothered anyone.
I’ll stand by the opinion that references are a good thing as long as they contribute to a cohesive moveset that feels fun and authentic to the character. I want to feel like I’m actually playing as the character so I’m not personally a huge fan of movesets that are created just for Smash unless the character doesn’t really have anything else to pull from. I generally agree that a lot of the movesets are good as they are but there’s a few I’d like some overhauls like Ganondorf and Lucario.
Except for the part where that's pure speculation, because we don't actually know anything about Nintendo's internal development pipeline.
That might be a valid point, if anyone here actually knew the realities of Nintendo's game development.
That's honestly how I feel about MK8D as a whole. That honestly feels like a nearly perfect game to me, and if all they did was add more courses and racers to it forever, I'd be completely happy with that.
The high possibility the Switch 2 won't be as successful as the first one will already ensure no matter what direction it goes in, the Switch 2's Smash won't be as successful as Ultimate anyway.
Wouldn’t that be an argument to put as much effort into the next game as possible? If they don’t have the brand name to fall back on to the same extent, I would think they’d want to make the game as good as it can be in order to hit somewhat comparable numbers. If we’re expecting Smash 6 to sell less regardless, I think they’d have to put in even more work in order to not be overshadowed by Ultimate, especially now that Switch 2 is backwards compatible. That doesn’t necessarily mean doing EiH again, but I do think it needs to stand out in some way. EiH2 with even more content is just one way of doing that.
How many people here would have ever thought Everyone is Here was feasible in the first place? I highly suspect that the large majority of people would have dismissed the idea outright as being too unrealistic. I’m not saying it’s likely to happen a second time but I don’t think it’s as impossible as a lot of people here are making it out to be. If they use Ultimate itself as a base and build on top of that, it seems like it should at least be possible in theory.
Many would have because as soon as Smash 4 ended, "the next game will be Smash 4 Deluxe with the cut veterans and more newcomers" was already a prevalent prediction.
Yup, and a large crowd is likely to cite lower sales of a new game and falsely pin it on the lack of EiH, or on the lack of X,Y,Z specific veterans who got cut.
Interesting. I wonder why that was such a big prediction last time but seen as completely impossible to do again this time? I know there’s more characters to bring back now but I wouldn’t think it’s that many in comparison where it makes it impossible.
Looking at the state of Konami at the time and how Snake was missing from Smash 4, there's no way anybody was predicting he was coming back. They at best was hoping for it but that's it.
I kind of wanted it, but I knew it would get in the way of making newcomers as well.
In theory, but even if they think every single veteran's portrayal is perfect as-is for whatever reason, there's still balancing and bugtesting to consider.
dunno about EIH but many predicted all characters from Smash 4 coming back.
For me it was less that I didn’t think it was possible, and more that I didn’t think that would be a direction they would want to take the series in, which I was clearly wrong about.
A lot of people do still talk about a possible Smash Bros. Ultimate Deluxe with some new characters. I think that is possible, I just don’t know if that’s the direction Sakurai and Nintendo will want to take, which hey, I could be wrong about that again.
Yeah, I think if they do bring everyone back again, we’ll get a similarly small amount of base game newcomers like Ultimate did. While I’d love everyone back again, I think my more realistic ideal scenario is to aim for a comparably large roster but with enough cuts and newcomers to make it feel fresh. I think if we got around 70ish total characters in the base game but had continuous Fighter’s Passes and other DLC throughout the Switch 2’s lifespan, that would be the best. I’m just afraid that going back to a 50 characters again roster means I lose most of my favorite veterans and nearly all my most wanted newcomers would have almost no chance. For me, personally, I can’t envision a scenario where that’s not just a worse Ultimate as far as the roster is concerned.
The vast majority of characters I want most are very rarely speculated for Smash outside of myself. Some are popular in the general gaming culture, just not in Smash while others are pretty obscure in general, either due to their series’ popularity peaking decades ago or just never really being that big to begin with.
Guess we will have to wait and see what this week holds, but I am eagerly anticipating what sort of specs the Switch 2 will have.
I still think the concern about bringing back everyone resulting in not a lot of newcomers would still be more of an issue with the team. Game development doesn't work like "System A can play games made for System B? Cancel the System A port immediately!", and it never has, even before the PS5 got a plethora of PS4 ports.
I'd imagine most of these series have at least someone who could be a fighter, but you'd of course have to dig deep to find material for their movesets.
I agree with this, but mostly because Smash has never had ports, so it probably wouldn't even occur to Sakurai. I don't know how the timeline goes for making consoles, so Sakurai also may have been told about the backwards compatibility, but I don't know how likely that is if Smash is that 2021/2022 project (which I feel like it is since I can't think of many other things that would get greenlit almost immediately lol) since I would think that time frame would be around the beginning of the console's development potentially.
The fact Sakurai had to mention "assuming we're able to get it made" gives me great doubt it's Smash. Why would there be any question about another Smash game being possible to make (unless it's like, a mobile one lol).
I mean that's true, but didn't he say it got approved really quickly? I may be misremembering or it may have been a weird translation issue or something (I saw an article say that he finished the proposal really quickly rather than it being APPROVED really quickly, so maybe that's where I'm getting tripped up), but if it was experimental, I would think it would take longer to approve.
I sometimes wonder if it really was just a case of "we did Snake before and we were happy with that, but we want to focus on new characters instead of bringing him back" (essentially the same reason 99% of the people in this thread will shoot down the notion of EiH ever happening again)
so it could be something new? exciting
