Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[GoldenYuiitusin]

And applied to an argument in this manner, it turns the argument into a strawman.

The fact you keep focusing on the exaggerated example and missing the full point of what was said is honestly aggravating.

This is the last I'm going to continue with you on this.

 

[NintenRob]

Fun question, who are characters that are already in the game who absolutely should be in the game, but if they weren't, people would act are just boring and 'sauceless', too bland to be in Smash (think like how some treat Bandana Dee)

My answer, Peach. I swear if Peach wasn't already in people would act like she's the most boring idea ever and the series would be better off with Geno or Waluigi

 

[MBRedboy31]

You know what’d be a cool ”surprise pick” that I’ve rarely seen anyone discuss here? Promoting Master Hand to a playable character. He has a long-standing legacy with perfect attendance within Smash, he has ongoing relevance, he has a super unique silhouette, and he has moveset potential that nobody else would have. Everyone who’s played any amount of singleplayer in any Smash game knows who Master Hand is, so he definitely wouldn‘t be a nobody. Don’t tell me it wouldn’t be fun punching people with a giant fist, blasting them with fingerguns, and more.

I know a lot of people look down upon Smash’s original characters, but Master Hand has clearly been around long enough to be a bit more than just some thing they threw in to be a boss.

On a side note, having him as a boss feels kinda stale to me since he’s been the boss for so long, and adding some new moves each game doesn’t change that. Having him be a regular character would be really refreshing.

Crazy Hand could logically be a semiclone or Echo, but I‘m not sure if they’d want do that since it might get confusing if a match has both Master Hand and Crazy Hand in their default skins.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Fun question, who are characters that are already in the game who absolutely should be in the game, but if they weren't, people would act are just boring and 'sauceless', too bland to be in Smash (think like how some treat Bandana Dee)

My answer, Peach. I swear if Peach wasn't already in people would act like she's the most boring idea ever and the series would be better off with Geno or Waluigi

You wanna know who people DID argue this for?

Ryu and Cloud. I saw people saying they'd be boring up to the point of their reveals.

The "too bland" argument does have some merit and Sakurai said something similar in regards to Chrom in Smash 4, but so often it's argued in poor faith. The majority of the time someone argues a character would be boring, it's a pretty biased argument.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Fun question, who are characters that are already in the game who absolutely should be in the game, but if they weren't, people would act are just boring and 'sauceless', too bland to be in Smash (think like how some treat Bandana Dee)

My answer, Peach. I swear if Peach wasn't already in people would act like she's the most boring idea ever and the series would be better off with Geno or Waluigi

Zelda, Sheik, Ice Climbers, R.O.B., Wii Fit Trainer, Dr.Mario, Villager, Isabelle, Rosalina, Jigglypuff, the whole Star Fox crew ironically, Captain Falcon, and I guess that's about it.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

You know what’d be a cool ”surprise pick” that I’ve rarely seen anyone discuss here? Promoting Master Hand to a playable character. He has a long-standing legacy with perfect attendance within Smash, he has ongoing relevance, he has a super unique silhouette, and he has moveset potential that nobody else would have. Everyone who’s played any amount of singleplayer in any Smash game knows who Master Hand is, so he definitely wouldn‘t be a nobody. Don’t tell me it wouldn’t be fun punching people with a giant fist, blasting them with fingerguns, and more.

I know a lot of people look down upon Smash’s original characters, but Master Hand has clearly been around long enough to be a bit more than just some thing they threw in to be a boss.

On a side note, having him as a boss feels kinda stale to me since he’s been the boss for so long, and adding some new moves each game doesn’t change that. Having him be a regular character would be really refreshing.

Crazy Hand could logically be a semiclone or Echo, but I‘m not sure if they’d want do that since it might get confusing if a match has both Master Hand and Crazy Hand in their default skins.

I'd be down for this honestly. I remember people pointing at the brief section where you get to play as Master Hand in World of Light and I remember specifically mentioning to some of my friends that if they actually expanded on that it could be pretty cool.

Speaking of, I really wish I could replay that section without replaying the entirety of WoL lol

 

[Thegameandwatch]

I don't think they should be listed amongst the others here. Impa for example was popular in Age of Calamity mostly because of her flashy engaging move set.

Another thing that can make Impa unique is the fact that she uses a kunai and other types of weapons which is something that Sheik doesn't do in Smash outside of Ultimate Final Smash.

Its weird it took until Ultimate for Sheik to use it despite the fact there is artwork of Sheik with a dagger for OoT and her model having it in Brawl and Smash 4 (its like how Falcon and Snake have guns but don't use it).

You know what’d be a cool ”surprise pick” that I’ve rarely seen anyone discuss here? Promoting Master Hand to a playable character.

I think it should happen eventually since there should be a Smash original character that isn't just the Mii Fighters.

 

[fogbadge]

Probably? Kinda makes me wonder if something will get posted when the holidays are over though, like that little bit when the app first came out where Mario Wonder was on a Thursday and DKC2 was on the following Monday to kick off regular Monday updates lol

nintendo always take the week of new year's off

 

[Scrimblo Bimblo]

Fun question, who are characters that are already in the game who absolutely should be in the game, but if they weren't, people would act are just boring and 'sauceless', too bland to be in Smash (think like how some treat Bandana Dee)

My answer, Peach. I swear if Peach wasn't already in people would act like she's the most boring idea ever and the series would be better off with Geno or Waluigi

Well, if Dixie apparently doesn't have enough sauce, I can't see Diddy having it either.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Well, if Dixie apparently doesn't have enough sauce, I can't see Diddy having it either.

Some excuse him of this, but Diddy has the most sauce in the combo department. Moves don't all have to look flashy, but the overal flow of the moves of said character is what really makes one saucy or not. Therefore a character like Fox has definitely more sauce than Ganondorf.

But besides, Monkey Flip, D Air, U Smash, F Smash, banana shenanigans, what's not saucy about that?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Of course, like real sauce, what appeals to you is unique to you.

Except spaghetti sauce. Everyone ****ing loves spaghetti sauce.

Captain Falcon is spaghetti sauce.

 

[Gengar84]

It still kind of bugs me that Diddy doesn’t have his boom box from DKC 2 as a victory pose. That was one of the more memorable things about him to me in that game.

 

[Scrimblo Bimblo]

Some excuse him of this, but Diddy has the most sauce in the combo department. Moves don't all have to look flashy, but the overal flow of the moves of said character is what really makes one saucy or not. Therefore a character like Fox has definitely more sauce than Ganondorf.

But besides, Monkey Flip, D Air, U Smash, F Smash, banana shenanigans, what's not saucy about that?

The question was if they hadn't gotten in Smash already.
If Dixie isn't interesting enough with a 5th limb and floating abilities, can't see Diddy fare much better when all he has in the classic games is the cartwheel.

 

[Gengar84]

The question was if they hadn't gotten in Smash already.
If Dixie isn't interesting enough with a 5th limb and floating abilities, can't see Diddy fare much better when all he has in the classic games is the cartwheel.

Yeah, Smash made up a lot of Diddy’s moveset. I think there’s only things they took from the games are the cartwheel, peanut gun, and jetpack. The later two were from DK64, which isn’t really as fondly remembered as the SNES Country games. That said, there wasn’t a whole lot to pull from for just a solo Diddy without other gimmicks but I’d have liked to see some more references to the actual games, even with something as simple as the victory animation. That’s one big reason I want the Dixie moveset I do, even if I’m alone in wanting that.

 

[fogbadge]

Captain Falcon is spaghetti sauce.

and all this time I thought falcon punch was made of fire

 

[Thegameandwatch]

It still kind of bugs me that Diddy doesn’t have his boom box from DKC 2 as a victory pose. That was one of the more memorable things about him to me in that game.

Lot of characters are missing stuff that could be in Taunts or Victory animations such as Sheik’s harp, Young Link’s Fairy Ocarina and etc.

 

[Gengar84]

Lot of characters are missing stuff that could be in Taunts or Victory animations such as Sheik’s harp, Young Link’s Fairy Ocarina and etc.

Yeah that’s true. There’s a lot of missed opportunities for fun references in Smash. As much as I love Smash, I feel like Hyrule Warriors generally handled the source material better for the Zelda cast and their movesets feel more faithful in that game. I think Link is handled great in Smash but the rest of the cast isn’t as interesting as their Hyrule Warriors counterparts in my opinion.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yeah, Smash made up a lot of Diddy’s moveset. I think there’s only things they took from the games are the cartwheel, peanut gun, and jetpack. The later two were from DK64, which isn’t really as fondly remembered as the SNES Country games. That said, there wasn’t a whole lot to pull from for just a solo Diddy without other gimmicks but I’d have liked to see some more references to the actual games, even with something as simple as the victory animation. That’s one big reason I want the Dixie moveset I do, even if I’m alone in wanting that.

I don't necessarily think so. I expected Diddy to have way more tail based attacks. He had none except for the wiggle. I expected more from DK64 , as a high double backflip, Orange Grenades, the electric guitar, dual Peanut Popguns and being able to shoot whilst using the Rocket Barrels, a tail spinning aerial twist attack. Those type of things. But I wasn't unsatisfied with the end result. Diddy fits the typical acrobatic type of fighter and that suits him just fine. I am especially fond of the Monkey Flip.

 

[HyperSomari64]

Swordfighter
Crono [Chrono Trigger]
Frog [Chrono Trigger]
Randi [Secret of Mana]
Majima [Like a Dragon]
Vergil [Devil May Cry]
Kuros [Wizards & Warriors]
The Knight [Hollow Knight]

Brawler
King Hippo [Punch-Out]
Billy Lee/Jimmy Lee [Double Dragon]
Viewtiful Joe [Viewtiful Joe]
Robo [Chrono Trigger]

Gunner
Game Master [Captain N]
Master Chief [Halo]
Quote [Cave Story]
Jason [Blaster Master]

Mage
Aerith [Final Fantasy] (converted from Swordfighter)
Ashley [WarioWare] (converted from Swordfighter)
Lip [Panel de Pon] (converted from Swordfighter)
Veronica [Dragon Quest] (converted from Swordfighter)
Vince [Art Academy] (converted from Swordfighter)
Viridi [Kid Icarus] (converted from Swordfighter)
Eggplant Wizard [Kid Icarus]
Kamek [Super Mario Bros.]
FF Black Mage [Mario Sports Mix]
FF White Mage [Mario Sports Mix]
Reimu [Touhou]
Magus [Chrono Trigger]

Ninja
Altaïr [Assassin’s Creed] (converted from Swordfighter)
Goemon [Mystical Ninja] (converted from Swordfighter)
Nakoruru [Samurai Shodown] (converted from Swordfighter)
Ninjara [ARMS] (converted from Brawler)
FF Ninja [Mario Sports Mix]
Joe Musashi [Shinobi]
Rikimaru [Tenchu]
Guy [Final Fight]
Ibuki [Street Fighter]
Taki [SoulCalibur]
Kasumi [Dead or Alive]
Corvo Attano [Dishonored]

Will you ever add an Asuka Senran Kagura Mii costumes to your list? or a Hyperdimension Neptunia one? even Shiren the Wanderer?

 

[BuckleyTim]

Yeah that’s true. There’s a lot of missed opportunities for fun references in Smash. As much as I love Smash, I feel like Hyrule Warriors generally handled the source material better for the Zelda cast and their movesets feel more faithful in that game. I think Link is handled great in Smash but the rest of the cast isn’t as interesting as their Hyrule Warriors counterparts in my opinion.

I've whinged about it before, but it's a darn shame that the Warriors spinoffs have gone into doing "semi-canon what ifs" to BOTW and Three Houses instead of diversifying further into other stuff in Nintendo's catalogue. The plots of HW2 and Three Hopes aren't even that good to me so it's a worst of both worlds situation when it comes to them trying to mature!

 

[Gengar84]

I've whinged about it before, but it's a darn shame that the Warriors spinoffs have gone into doing "semi-canon what ifs" to BOTW and Three Houses instead of diversifying further into other stuff in Nintendo's catalogue. The plots of HW2 and Three Hopes aren't even that good to me so it's a worst of both worlds situation when it comes to them trying to mature!

Persona 5 Strikers was really good though. The biggest problem I had with that game was the lack of multiplayer. Fire Emblem Warrior’s roster could have been a whole lot better itself. I feel like it focused way too much on Fates and Awakening.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I've whinged about it before, but it's a darn shame that the Warriors spinoffs have gone into doing "semi-canon what ifs" to BOTW and Three Houses instead of diversifying further into other stuff in Nintendo's catalogue. The plots of HW2 and Three Hopes aren't even that good to me so it's a worst of both worlds situation when it comes to them trying to mature!

The plot of Fire Emblem Three Hopes was quite good in fact. Sure you had to have played Three Houses before but it answered major plot holes in many cases. I like that one especially a lot for this reason. Age of Calamity had... issues with the story. It was marketed as a true prequel to BotW but there where some "elements" added to it. A shame.

 

[ScrubReborn]

You know what’d be a cool ”surprise pick” that I’ve rarely seen anyone discuss here? Promoting Master Hand to a playable character.

I've had that idea too. Yeah it'd be rad as hell. I just think, if Master Hand's playable, he shouldn't be treated like a normal character. Being able to play the Smash boss, that's something you should earn.

He should be like one of those old-school fighting game secret unlocks where you have to break your back to get him, anything less would be cheap. Maybe a 100% competition award? And then ya do it again with him to get Crazy Hand or somethin.

 

[fogbadge]

The plot of Fire Emblem Three Hopes was quite good in fact. Sure you had to have played Three Houses before but it answered major plot holes in many cases. I like that one especially a lot for this reason. Age of Calamity had... issues with the story. It was marketed as a true prequel to BotW but there where some "elements" added to it. A shame.

yeah but it creates a bunch more

 

[Diddy Kong]

yeah but it creates a bunch more

Yeah but the DLC will surely solve this right?

wasted potential

 

[Megadoomer]

Fun question, who are characters that are already in the game who absolutely should be in the game, but if they weren't, people would act are just boring and 'sauceless', too bland to be in Smash (think like how some treat Bandana Dee)

My answer, Peach. I swear if Peach wasn't already in people would act like she's the most boring idea ever and the series would be better off with Geno or Waluigi

People would probably just dismiss Terry as being Ken with a hat or think that Banjo and Kazooie would play the same as Duck Hunt.

On a more serious note, Ness - his PSI powers in Earthbound generally aren't offensive focused, so I could see people sticking exclusively to what he can do in Earthbound and dismissing him for that reason. (if people even knew that Earthbound existed, given how much Smash managed to popularize it)

Though arguably without his Smash appearances, people wouldn't even consider Ness for the game, so maybe Olimar? Pikmin is a franchise that definitely should be in Smash, but people might dismiss Olimar because he doesn't do much fighting on his own and has the Pikmin do all the work. (also, he might run into the opposite of Ridley's problem where he's dismissed for being too small; some people can be sticklers for that kind of accuracy even though Smash doesn't usually stick to canonical heights)

 

[Gengar84]

I’m beginning to suspect that Omega Force’s and general Koei-Tecmo’s strengths are in the combat, music, and general cool factor rather than the stories and character development. That’s one reason I’d rather have wide crossover casts that don’t really need a deep cohesive narrative and just let us play with our favorite characters with a simpler story.

 

[fogbadge]

I’m beginning to suspect that Omega Force’s and general Koei-Tecmo’s strengths are in the combat, music, and general cool factor rather than the stories and character development. That’s one reason I’d rather have wide crossover casts that don’t really need a deep cohesive narrative and just let us play with our favorite characters with a simpler story.

well I haven't played to many of their games but I would agree with that. their stories that focus on a bit of fan service fun like the first HW & FEW are more enjoyable. so if they ever do another nintendo franchise crossover I hope it'd be more like them. come one mario warriors, xenoblade warriors or kirby warriors

 

[Gengar84]

well I haven't played to many of their games but I would agree with that. their stories that focus on a bit of fan service fun like the first HW & FEW are more enjoyable. so if they ever do another nintendo franchise crossover I hope it'd be more like them. come one mario warriors, xenoblade warriors or kirby warriors

I’d love to see any of those. I think a Pokemon Warriors could be really cool too. There are already ancient Pokemon wars in the lore like the one from AZ’s stories in X and Y that could make for really cool thematic settings. My number one most wanted Warriors spinoff is TMNT. That’s been my favorite IP since I was a kid and there are so many cool characters they could pull from throughout the franchise’s history. I’ve always been a big fan of the Warriors games since Dynasty Warriors 2 on the PS2 so as long as the gameplay is fun, I can look past the weaker story.

I think a Warriors character would be a ton of fun in Smash and could have the added bonus of letting us get some music from the Warriors spin-offs of franchises already in Smash. I think Lu Bu is the most obvious choice but I could see others like Zhao Yun, Nobunaga Oda, Yukimura Sanada, or Orochi work too. Orochi has the benefit of being an original character not based on a real person.

 

[fogbadge]

I’d love to see any of those. I think a Pokemon Warriors could be really cool too. There are already ancient Pokemon wars in the lore like the one from AZ’s stories in X and Y that could make for really cool thematic settings. My number one most wanted Warriors spinoff is TMNT. That’s been my favorite IP since I was a kid and there are so many cool characters they could pull from throughout the franchise’s history. I’ve always been a big fan of the Warriors games since Dynasty Warriors 2 on the PS2 so as long as the gameplay is fun, I can look past the weaker story.

I think a Warriors character would be a ton of fun in Smash and could have the added bonus of letting us get some music from the Warriors spin-offs of franchises already in Smash. I think Lu Bu is the most obvious choice but I could see others like Zhao Yun, Nobunaga Oda, Yukimura Sanada, or Orochi work too. Orochi has the benefit of being an original character not based on a real person.

now that you say it, tmnt is a natural fit for warriors. and I say that as someone who’s never seen the series

as for a warriors character, well I certainly like the music in the warriors crossovers so more of that would be welcome.

orochi is named for a mythical figure I imagine

 

[Gengar84]

now that you say it, tmnt is a natural fit for warriors. and I say that as someone who’s never seen the series

as for a warriors character, well I certainly like the music in the warriors crossovers so more of that would be welcome.

orochi is named for a mythical figure I imagine

Yeah, which is a little safer than a historical person I’d think. We have Dracula and Medusa in Smash so I’d imagine Orochi would be fine. He’s the main antagonist from the Warriors Orochi games, which is a massive crossover of the Dynasty Warriors and Samurai Warriors games and roster.

 

[superprincess]

Fun question, who are characters that are already in the game who absolutely should be in the game, but if they weren't, people would act are just boring and 'sauceless', too bland to be in Smash (think like how some treat Bandana Dee)

My answer, Peach. I swear if Peach wasn't already in people would act like she's the most boring idea ever and the series would be better off with Geno or Waluigi

Μost copium take ever. Just because a character you like is deemed boring doesn't mean there has to be some sort of overarching mentality behind it that affects other (more important) characters. Bandana Dee is comparable to Toad, not Peach. And guess who isn't in Smash.

 

[HyperSomari64]

here's a really stupid and weird idea I had years ago: Super Mario Warriors, but it's a re-skin of Buddy Mission Bond with added Musou levels. Basically a nostalgic throwback to official western spriteswaps from the past like Super Mario Bros. 2 (USA) and Dr. Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine.

 

[fogbadge]

Yeah, which is a little safer than a historical person I’d think. We have Dracula and Medusa in Smash so I’d imagine Orochi would be fine. He’s the main antagonist from the Warriors Orochi games, which is a massive crossover of the Dynasty Warriors and Samurai Warriors games and roster.

yes it is difficult to know where the line is. though it is worth noting that none of them are playable. though there’s certainly a case to be made there’s an argument that could be made that they’re different enough to count as original characters. I might start using it now that I’m playing through okami and coming round to the idea of Amaterasu

Μost copium take ever. Just because a character you like is deemed boring doesn't mean there has to be some sort of overarching mentality behind it that affects other (more important) characters. Bandana Dee is comparable to Toad, not Peach. And guess who isn't in Smash.

Hey, leave toad out of it

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I expected Diddy to have way more tail based attacks. He had none except for the wiggle.

And now he doesn't even have that for some reason.

You know what’d be a cool ”surprise pick” that I’ve rarely seen anyone discuss here? Promoting Master Hand to a playable character. He has a long-standing legacy with perfect attendance within Smash, he has ongoing relevance, he has a super unique silhouette, and he has moveset potential that nobody else would have. Everyone who’s played any amount of singleplayer in any Smash game knows who Master Hand is, so he definitely wouldn‘t be a nobody. Don’t tell me it wouldn’t be fun punching people with a giant fist, blasting them with fingerguns, and more.

I know a lot of people look down upon Smash’s original characters, but Master Hand has clearly been around long enough to be a bit more than just some thing they threw in to be a boss.

On a side note, having him as a boss feels kinda stale to me since he’s been the boss for so long, and adding some new moves each game doesn’t change that. Having him be a regular character would be really refreshing.

Crazy Hand could logically be a semiclone or Echo, but I‘m not sure if they’d want do that since it might get confusing if a match has both Master Hand and Crazy Hand in their default skins.

It's come up a couple of times, but it doesn't generally have much traction. The idea of adding a Smash OC is super polarizing, and that probably only goes for Master Hand, a character that was thought to be (and technically was) secretly playable way back when. Those who are into it find the idea cool, but probably can't conceptualize it beyond that because it's a bit of an esoteric fighter concept.

I’d love to see any of those. I think a Pokemon Warriors could be really cool too.

Fun Fact: Pokémon Conquest exists because Nintendo/The Pokémon Company thought so too, but they couldn't make it work so they made a TRPG instead.

That's not to say they couldn't do it now, I just think it's neat.

Μost copium take ever. Just because a character you like is deemed boring doesn't mean there has to be some sort of overarching mentality behind it that affects other (more important) characters. Bandana Dee is comparable to Toad, not Peach. And guess who isn't in Smash.

No moveset potential would absolutely be a detracting element for Peach if she somehow wasn't in the game, at least until Princess Peach: Showtime came out. Until then the argument would be sports & party (which has never enticed anyone), her float (which an entire moveset does not make), and Super Princess Peach (a game a decent chunk of people dislike on principle).

I don't think this would have been louder than "why the heck isn't Peach in the game?", but it would definitely exist.

 

[superprincess]

And now he doesn't even have that for some reason.


It's come up a couple of times, but it doesn't generally have much traction. The idea of adding a Smash OC is super polarizing, and that probably only goes for Master Hand, a character that was thought to be (and technically was) secretly playable way back when. Those who are into it find the idea cool, but probably can't conceptualize it beyond that because it's a bit of an esoteric fighter concept.


Fun Fact: Pokémon Conquest exists because Nintendo/The Pokémon Company thought so too, but they couldn't make it work so they made a TRPG instead.

That's not to say they couldn't do it now, I just think it's neat.


No moveset potential would absolutely be a detracting element for Peach if she somehow wasn't in the game, at least until Princess Peach: Showtime came out. Until then the argument would be sports & party (which has never enticed anyone), her float (which an entire moveset does not make), and Super Princess Peach (a game a decent chunk of people dislike on principle).

I don't think this would have been louder than "why the heck isn't Peach in the game?", but it would definitely exist.

Nah. Peach had plenty of potential even before Showtime (which is a worse game than SPP and offers less moveset potential but whatever), as evident by her already existing moveset, which despite being a product of 2001, is one of the most reference-heavy movesets in Melee.

Anyway, this hypothetical just isn't accurate in any way. Peach would never find herself in a similar position to a Waddle Dee wearing a headscarf, or a Toad with blue spots.

 

[Arcanir]

The plot of Fire Emblem Three Hopes was quite good in fact. Sure you had to have played Three Houses before but it answered major plot holes in many cases. I like that one especially a lot for this reason. Age of Calamity had... issues with the story. It was marketed as a true prequel to BotW but there where some "elements" added to it. A shame.

I personally can't say I agree as even ignoring its reliance on playing TH to understand it, it ask more questions then it truly answers and a fair few of them actively involve some of the main characters and the lore around them (Ex. What's Sothis' deal with Arval and why is she so forceful and antagonistic around him? What's Arval's deal and who really is Epimenides? What's Arval's connection to TWSITD and why do they refuse expand on this group in a meaningful way? What's Shez's past?). They also sideline the Church to the story's expense as certain characters really needed it
to be more present to bounce off their motivations (like Claude) and characters related to it actually lose a fair amount of relevance (ex. Seteth, Cyril).

Age of Calamity I do agree has a number of its own issues though. Mainly it should've been more honest in what direction it took (many went in not expecting its plot), but also I think it would've benefitted from exploring the past more then on the little robot as it took away from time with the other characters.

 

[Laniv]

Nah. Peach had plenty of potential even before Showtime (which is a worse game than SPP and offers less moveset potential but whatever), as evident by her already existing moveset, which despite being a product of 2001, is one of the most reference-heavy movesets in Melee.

Anyway, this hypothetical just isn't accurate in any way. Peach would never find herself in a similar position to a Waddle Dee wearing a headscarf, or a Toad with blue spots.

Can't believe she's just using Mario's leftovers smh

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

yes it is difficult to know where the line is. though it is worth noting that none of them are playable. though there’s certainly a case to be made there’s an argument that could be made that they’re different enough to count as original characters. I might start using it now that I’m playing through okami and coming round to the idea of Amaterasu

Considering Mickey and friends didn't even make cameos (unless the Micky emblem keychain counts) I'd say that no character that isn't considered to be of video game origin isn't allowed to appear in any capacity.

 

[Gengar84]

Peach is a perfect example of why I stand by my animal buddies based Dixie Kong moveset. A lot of Peach’s attacks like the sports equipment and turnips aren’t exclusive to her either but they still work great as a moveset in Smash and I’m glad we have her. The turnips were an iconic and memorable part of her first playable appearance in a game, even though every character could use them. I like that Peach’s moveset acts as a fun callback to the games that she’s playable in.

Either way, I’m glad that Peach is playable and I’d love to see a lot more female fighters in the future. Samus, Peach, and Zelda were important early steps despite the latter two being more commonly used as damsels in distress at that point. I’m glad Peach has gotten a more active role in the series over time.

Considering Mickey and friends didn't even make cameos (unless the Micky emblem keychain counts) I'd say that no character that isn't considered to be of video game origin isn't allowed to appear in any capacity.

Dracula and Medusa would like a word.