Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Gengar84]

Most of the grievances regarding Sonic tend to deal with one of the following:

• Sonic's moveset sucks and he's just a ball for 50% of it because of Sonic getting into Brawl at the last minute and the role of inertia in Smash's development (this is the most common one by far);
• He doesn't have any of his supporting cast;
• There's only one original remix for the entire franchise; and,
• Windy Hill is an outdated promotional choice and is too similar to Green Hill.

That’s fair, although a third party franchise having more than one playable character is still a rarity. If you exclude echoes, I think only Final Fantasy has more than one character. I do find his moveset to be kind of boring though. His down special and forward special are too similar visually even if they function differently mechanically.

 

[HyperSomari64]

That's basically what Project X Zone is. YMMV on how sucessful that series is.

Speaking of which, I really want to see Reiji and Xiaomu in any form for the next Smash, even it will not happen.
Seeing Mii costumes of them or music from the Cross series will make me happy at the very least.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

The solution of course, is to simply do what SMT3 did and replace him with Dante from the Devil May Cry series.

& Knuckles?

 

[Gengar84]

I think both would be fun and worthy characters anyways but I’d love it if Smash got both Dante from the Devil May Cry series & Knuckles just for the memes.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Nintendo now owns 100% of Monolithsoft.

I think this might mean Nintendo might push Xenoblade a bit more.

It'll end those stupid debates on whether or not Monolith was first party, that's for sure. Some people took that 3% WAY too seriously...

 

[BritishGuy54]

It'll end those stupid debates on whether or not Monolith was first party, that's for sure. Some people took that 3% WAY too seriously...

If this means Xenoblade Mii Costumes in a new Mario Kart, I think it’s a certified win.

 

[Potted Plant]

I wonder if she’d keep the Chibi look of her in game model or if they’d try to make her more realistically proportioned like her official artwork? The painterly look of her stage would be awesome for Smash. Same goes for the HD-2D look of a potential Octopath stage.

I'd be more inclined to think the official artwork (stuff like the European box art, for example). Curious what they'd do for her Final Smash though.

• The Special moves from BD don't quite hit the "OMG so cool" factor a Final Smash should have.
• The Summons are a decent choice (Susano-o in particular), but feel a bit disjointed.
• Maybe make something up where she calls in Tiz, Edea and Ringabel in? The Bravely Default equivalent of an All-Out Attack or something?

 

[Oracle Link]

Sonic's moveset sucks and he's just a ball for 50% of it because of Sonic getting into Brawl at the last minute and the role of inertia in Smash's development (this is the most common one by far);

Sonic is a ball in his Own games 50% of the time! I still dont get it!
Also they did remove two ball attacks That being dash and down smash and what happend they are now generic kicks (which especially suck fordash attack cause in smash 4 it was a rolling kick which was a cool combination)

The only ball move thats actually redundant is side special which obviously should be boost ButThats about it!
Also In smash ultimate sonic only has the following ball moves:

Neutral Air: Which should be kept 100%
Side and down B: Yeah that should be only one
Neutral B: Which should be kept 100%
His Jumping Animations: Which should be 100% kept
Up Smash: Which is his only remaining ball smash maybe make it a kick and give us the ball spin down smash back?

And if im not wrong that it! Again his dash attack should go back to his smash 4 version and we should get the Homing attack Dash (like the move sonic does when theres no enemy in fornt of him) as a forward aerial perhaps!

Again SONIC ATTACKS AS A BALL! And thats a fact!

I think his alts are a much worse problem than his moveset just give him some outfits/ Versions he had in diffrent sonic games?

 

[Gengar84]

I think all they really need to do is give Sonic a new forward special. The down and neutral specials are fine and are iconically Sonic. The forward special is too similar to his down special visually so something else more distinct would be cool.

 

[Luke Starkiller]

Sonic should definitely have some moves from Sonic Frontiers.
Mario should have some moves from Super Mario Odyessy.

 

[Gengar84]

My personal preference for how they make characters’ movesets that span multiple games is to make an amalgamation that feels cohesive rather than focusing too much on one specific game. If a character does something in multiple games, I’d prioritize that over anything they did as a one-off thing even if it’s new. Otherwise you end up with things like FLUDD that feel dated over time (at least to me, it’s cool if you feel otherwise). I still think Link should have kept his hookshot even though he didn’t use it in BotW because it was something that made Link stand out from the rest of the cast. Replacing it with a standard grab made him less interesting to me.

 

[Will]

Mario should have some moves from Super Mario Odyessy.

Mario just needs to drop FLUDD for good. That dude had long overstayed his welcome.

It’s not even that good of a move.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

There's even a strong connection to Noah and Mio, and he's a Vandham, a recurring name in the Xeno series

Spoilers! Geez, now I know he dies in the middle of the story.

 

[Gengar84]

Spoilers! Geez, now I know he dies in the middle of the story.

Lol pretty much. I’m actually kind of surprised how much Smash spoils things. I remember there being a pretty big spoiler in Smash 4 about one of the mechon characters. They also spoiled Fiora and the Black Knight’s identity from Fire Emblem. Thankfully, I had already beaten the games by then.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Lol pretty much. I’m actually kind of surprised how much Smash spoils things. I remember there being a pretty big spoiler in Smash 4 about one of the mechon characters. They also spoiled Fiora and the Black Knight’s identity from Fire Emblem. Thankfully, I had already beaten the games by then.

Matthew doesn't die in the DLC story where he's the main protagonist, though he is dead by the main story because that takes place 1000 years later

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Lol pretty much. I’m actually kind of surprised how much Smash spoils things. I remember there being a pretty big spoiler in Smash 4 about one of the mechon characters. They also spoiled Fiora and the Black Knight’s identity from Fire Emblem. Thankfully, I had already beaten the games by then.

To be clear, I was kidding. I've never played the DLC so I have no idea if he dies or not. It's just that Xenoblade Chronicles 2's Vandham is basically Xenoblade's version of Leomon. lol

 

[Gengar84]

To be clear, I was kidding. I've never played the DLC so I have no idea if he dies or not. It's just that Xenoblade Chronicles 2's Vandham is basically Xenoblade's version of Leomon. lol

Yeah I know, hence the lol. Smash does tend to spoil a lot though, especially with Xenoblade for some reason.

 

[Potted Plant]

Mario just needs to drop FLUDD for good. That dude had long overstayed his welcome.

It’s not even that good of a move.

I'd change Mario's down special to the Hammer, and the side special to the leaping dive from the 3D Mario games.

The idea I had in mind was being able to footstool off opponents if it connects (basically using the opponent as a platform).

 

[Shinuto]

If this means Xenoblade Mii Costumes in a new Mario Kart, I think it’s a certified win.

I want Melia and Brilliant Wings in Mario Kart now...

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

If this means Xenoblade Mii Costumes in a new Mario Kart, I think it’s a certified win.

Reyn: "I'm gonna trick off of this series of jumps!"
Shulk: "No Reyn! Don't Jump!"
Reyn: "Alyoop! Alyoop! Alyoop! Alyoop!"
Everyone: "NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!"

 

[HyperSomari64]

I know The Pokémon Company can be a little stingy with licensing agreements, but can the next Mario Kart game have functionality with the PKMN amiibo to bring a Pokémon-themed costume for the Mii? (Even if it's generic as heck)

Or even Pokémon textures for an hypothetical Yoshi's Woolly World remaster.

 

[Perkilator]

If Mario Party gets a stage in the next Smash game, how would you guys feel if the stage was Mario's Rainbow Castle, with the main gimmick being the top of the castle switching between Toad and Impostor Bowser? There could also be a handful of spaces indicated by projections of them.

 

[Gengar84]

I’d love to see Kirby in the next Mario Kart. Kirby already had its own racer on the GameCube so he can just ride on a warp star like in Air Ride.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I know The Pokémon Company can me a little stingy with licensing agreements, but can the next Mario Kart game have functionality with the PKMN amiibo to bring a Pokémon-themed costume for the Mii? (Even if it's generic as heck)

Misread this as you wanting Pikmin Amiibo to give you Pokémon costumes like it was some sort of workaround with the licensing agreements...

 

[HyperSomari64]

Misread this as you wanting Pikmin Amiibo to give you Pokémon costumes like it was some sort of workaround with the licensing agreements...

as i said, acronyms can be confusing at times

 

[Diddy Kong]

I’d love to see Kirby in the next Mario Kart. Kirby already had its own racer on the GameCube so he can just ride on a warp star like in Air Ride.

Let's add in Diddy too because of Diddy Kong Racing cause that Rarely seems to happen.

 

[Gengar84]

Let's add in Diddy too because of Diddy Kong Racing cause that Rarely seems to happen.

Yeah that too. I really just want a bunch more unique characters instead of a million versions of Mario and his friends. We still haven ever seen Wart come back in a Mario spinoff and I’d love to see Goomba too.

 

[fogbadge]

To be clear, I was kidding. I've never played the DLC so I have no idea if he dies or not. It's just that Xenoblade Chronicles 2's Vandham is basically Xenoblade's version of Leomon. lol

now that’s not quite a fair comparison. it was actually sad when leomon died. the first two times anyway

 

[The Prankster 16]

Nintendo now owns 100% of Monolithsoft.

I think this might mean Nintendo might push Xenoblade a bit more.

Do you think Xenoblade will be another "core pillar" series for Nintendo now, like Mario, Zelda, AC, Splatoon, Pikmin, and Metroid?

 

[Among Waddle Dees]

I’d love to see Kirby in the next Mario Kart. Kirby already had its own racer on the GameCube so he can just ride on a warp star like in Air Ride.

As promising as that sounds, not before Captain Falcon.