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If all other things were equal and you were choosing between a bunch of one-shot bosses, then yes. But some of those other bosses have had expended roles across the series. And that's not even taking into account Bandana Dee.
Well, yeah I agree that Bandana Dee is the most likely next Kirby character. I was mostly talking about the possibility of a second newcomer if we got one. I’m curious if Elfilis will also make appearances in future Kirby games like the others have. The only Kirby games I’ve played were Superstar, Superstar Ultra, Star Allies, Forgotten Land, and Air Ride off the top of my head. I think I played a little bit of Epic Yarn but I don’t know if I ever finished that one.
Forgotten Land unfortunately fails to introduce any sound Smash candidates to the mix. The closest is Bandana Dee, but in addition to already having a big following beforehand, he's not all that different from his Star Allies adaptation, which had way more options than Forgotten Land had. I might've counted Elfilin if he had more direct connections to his other half, but they made a bit of a misstep by disassociating their identities.
There's a couple reasons for this:
Me when Jason was added in Mortal Kombat X but Freddy Krueger wasn't brought back.
Yeah I prefer the way smash is going now since most of my most wanted characters just so happened to be either third party or niche. So going back to mostly just Nintendo characters wouldn’t really do that much for me in the long run.
If you're curious:
Yeah, I thought that whole story was pretty fascinating for a Kirby game.
that's true
You really would...not mind a lot of things.
What is that supposed to mean? I’m not sure whether to take that as an insult or a compliment. I’m generally okay with whatever we get but I’d like to at least keep my favorite characters around even if we do have to scale back a bit. I’d personally rather see them prioritize the single player and co-op experience before adding a ton of other characters at launch. A huge roster is great but it still wears a bit thin when there’s not much to do with them outside of vs matches. Still, cutting the roster by too much would make me lose hope of seeing many of my most wanted characters ever make it since they’re pretty niche within Smash speculation.
It's just a comment.
Fair enough. I’m just curious what brought up that comment. It sounded like I might have said something that bothered you. It’s cool that you’d rather see a bunch of new characters instead of focusing on keeping what we have. Depending on who’s cut and who’s added, I think I actually agree with you. My biggest concern is that my favorite veterans are likely cuts and the most popular newcomers people talk about don’t appeal to me as much as who I’d likely lose. It’s not so much about the raw roster number for me.
To me my concern is that if we get a small number of base game newcomers, that'll mean a small number of first-party newcomers overall given DLC's focus on third-parties.
Yeah, that’s a reasonable concern too. Ideally, we’d keep all the characters we have and add a ton of newcomers but sacrifices likely have to made somewhere. The large majority of my most wanted characters at this point are third party so the DLC route works for me. If most of yours are first party then it makes sense you’d want more base game newcomers.
Er yeah that's always the risk of liking the less popular picks. I mean, I hardly got anything to complain about here. I know for a big fact Diddy is likely gonna return, but not everyone's favorite is the more well known character.
I definitley think the draw of the 3rd party characters is something that has been ingrained into Smash's DNA atp after Ultimate, but if we do get a paired down roster size I think a lot of the "less iconic" 3rd party characters are at risk of being cut. I also don't think there's anything stopping the Smash team from getting western characters in, it's just that: 1. It's easier to work with developers who speak your language and aren't on the other side of the world, and 2. Most of the "iconic" gaming characters are from Japanese developers, i.e Capcom, Sega, Konami. I also think when Smash fans in particular talk about adding "western characters", they mostly mean popular Indie Game characters who (except for a select few) are definitley some of those "less iconic" characters I mentioned before. I think you'd be doing a disservice to the "celebration of gaming" idea by cutting someone like Snake and adding Freddy Fazbear.
There’s actually quite a few Western characters I feel are either iconic enough in general or important enough to Nintendo’s history. Here’s a few cool ones I think could make for great additions to Smash:
Oh I totally agree that more western character would be great, I was just speaking more on fan rosters that fill the third part slots with literal whos.
I think a combination of both. If a character is a perfect fit for Smash and would have a really fun and creative moveset, I think it’s cool to include smaller series. In RARE’s case, they have a historical connection to Nintendo, which helps. Banjo-Kazooie isn’t as big as other potential third parties could have been but that shared history made them resonate with Nintendo fans more than they otherwise would have. I think this could extend to other RARE characters like the Battletoads, Fulgore, Joanna Dark, and Conker.
I think this is a flawed perspective - first off, because when people say western characters they're usually talking about Crash, Doom Guy, Master Chief and/or Rayman. Maybe Jonesy, and occasionally it does refer to indie characters. I think most of these guys hold their own, maybe not 1:1 with a character like Snake but they have clout in the greater conversation of "all-star" legacy one way or the other. Even indie characters like Sans and, I guess if they really wanted, Freddy Fazbear. It's hard to deny the contemporary influence, for better or worse.
I'm not saying that every character that was added is iconic, but like half of them are. I see no problem with cutting Joker or Banjo or even Bayo, but even then those characters have history and popularity. Persona 5 was one of the most well loved JRPGs of all time in recent years and Persona/SMT is not an underground series either. Banjo is from a beloved 3d platformer on the N64, and he has that "smash legacy" of being requested similar to Ridley or K. Rool. And Bayo is a popular character who's series is Nintendo exclusive, and aparently did fairly well in the Smash Ballot (Even though we know she wasn't the winner). I'm also not saying that all Indie characters aren't Iconic. For example, I think Undertale/Deltarune deserves to be represented in Smash (Maybe not with a character, but a Sans assist trophy and music would be enough) because of it's popularity and critical acclaim, plus Toby Fox has a working relationship with Nintendo due to him composing for Pokemon.
Yeah, every guest character in the game has something going on that justifies them being there. My point wasn't to downplay these characters, rather address that cutting Snake and adding a less popular character isn't undermining Smash's ability to be a celebration of video games. Because if we wanted to nitpick every character that way, then we'd already find holes in this roster. Fortunately that's not really what Smash's goal is, I like it much better that way.
The classic folly of Smash speculation is when we try to find the answer to this, they become the norm. I was doing this with Off the Hook some months back and lately it seems people have really took toward Marina / OTH as a strong contender, and now similarly believe in the prospect of two new Splatoon characters. And I remember how quickly people hopped onto the Adol Christin train because of Terry... I think it's generally a good thing when new characters are pushing everyone to rethink their biases outside of their comfort zones, but it's funny how this effect sometimes becomes a once drastically overlooked character becoming maybe an overstated one.
I think if Persona 3 Reload comes to Switch 2 within the first year as one of those big third party ports, I think Aigis might have a shot at making it in if Sega pushes for it. Though we might have a naming problem if she goes against
in tournament.well I think most of that is cause the smash fandom have these strange ideas on who is and isn't possible. or that things have to happen a certain way or in a certain order. which is weird cause they keep asking for things even after they've been told no. so they have a warped view of what's possible.
Lol that’s true. Are the two pronounced differently? I think Pyra and Mythra are spelled Aegis but they are really similar. We have two Roy’s so I guess that’s not a problem. Aigis would actually make for a pretty cool character. My favorite Persona 3 character is Mitsuru but I don’t think her moveset would be as interesting, plus she’s not as relevant to the overall plot. Aigis really got the chance to shine in Persona 4 Arena ironically.I think if Persona 3 Reload comes to Switch 2 within the first year as one of those big third party ports, I think Aigis might have a shot at making it in if Sega pushes for it. Though we might have a naming problem if she goes against
P3 Aigis: Eye-Giss
That’s what I thought I remembered. It’s been a while since I’ve played Persona 3 or Persona 4 Arena so I wasn’t certain on Aigis’ pronunciation. Thanks.
Also I know that they were speculated a lot in the Ultimate DLC era, but I still think a Dark Souls/Elden Ring character has a good shot.
Yeah but it does seem like something they would do, lest we forget the TWO FF7 characters and no spirits or music from any other FF game. I am still holding out hope Joker can return with more Persona content, even though he's probably one of the first 3rd parties on the chopping block. Getting It's Going Down Now, I Believe, or even Lone Prayer as music tracks would be awesome.
