Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[PersonAngelo53]

Since we are in the topic of potential robot/android female characters I remember about this mod with Nu-13 from Blazblue and her playstyle is quite fun. Tho if we get an Arcsystemworks character a Guilty Gear character is more likely but I thought it was worth bringing up nonetheless.

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[Kirbeh]

Since we are in the topic of potential robot/android female characters I remember about this mod with Nu-13 from Blazblue and her playstyle is quite fun. Tho if we get an Arcsystemworks character a Guilty Gear character is more likely but I thought it was worth bringing up nonetheless.

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This and the Merkava mod are to this day some of my favorite things to come out of the Brawl modding scene.

I know it'd never happen, but I'd like for all the ArcSys/French Bread/Type Moon fighters to get a character. GG, BB, UN, MB and BG (the latter two by technicality I suppose.)

Honestly, I'd extend that to other smaller fighters as well like Arcana Heart, Nitroplus/Koihime Enbu/AquaPazza/Million Arhtur (more VN/other genre source fighters,) maybe even stuff like Vanguard Princess or Yatagarasu (though I know these last two have some dev/pub/rights issues iirc)

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

This and the Merkava mod are to this day some of my favorite things to come out of the Brawl modding scene.

I know it'd never happen, but I'd like for all the ArcSys/French Bread/Type Moon fighters to get a character. GG, BB, UN, MB and BG (the latter two by technicality I suppose.)

Honestly, I'd extend that to other smaller fighters as well like Arcana Heart, Nitroplus/Koihime Enbu/AquaPazza/Million Arhtur (more VN/other genre source fighters,) maybe even stuff like Vanguard Princess or Yatagarasu (though I know these last two have some dev/pub/rights issues iirc)

This is how Blitztank wins.

 

[Kirbeh]

This is how Blitztank wins.

Your third-party newcomers for the next Smash are Blitztank, PTX-40A, Fernandeath and Merkava. They were balanced against each other but not against the rest of the cast. Good luck!

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[dream1ng]

You know, thinking about the talk with 2B(Square-Enix), Aigis(Sega) and KOS-MOS(Namco) and how Nintendo has Pyra & Mythra, it surprises me that Capcom doesn't have a main character of that notable archetype. Sure, Capcom has female robots, especially in regards to Megaman, though none of them got anywhere near the focus the main leads get. And Vanessa Schneider from P.N.03 is not confirmed to be a robot/android/etc.

So yeah, kinda surprising. And maybe to some people's relief, considering we already have a ton of Capcom characters people want in Smash Bros. Wouldn't want a new popular Capcom character to suddenly appear and take away Bomb Man's chances.

Capcom doesn't do many RPGs, which is where the robot women live. And of those they have, they've mostly opted for the one of the three settings you won't find too many robot women: medieval. Had they gone for the other two: sci-fi or... Japan, you'd probably get a robot girl.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I want a Zelda RPG. The coming back of Mario RPGs on Switch this year makes me realise this even more, and how much more fitting Zelda would be for this genre (not that I don't enjoy Mario RPGs, I think TYYD and M&L are my favorite games of the year easily).

That robot girl talk was funny by the way.

 

[Borskaboska]

I want a Zelda RPG. The coming back of Mario RPGs on Switch this year makes me realise this even more, and how much more fitting Zelda would be for this genre (not that I don't enjoy Mario RPGs, I think TYYD and M&L are my favorite games of the year easily).

That robot girl talk was funny by the way.

Zelda Mystery Dungeon game where you play as Beedle, take it or leave it.

 

[Kirbeh]

I want a Zelda RPG. The coming back of Mario RPGs on Switch this year makes me realise this even more, and how much more fitting Zelda would be for this genre (not that I don't enjoy Mario RPGs, I think TYYD and M&L are my favorite games of the year easily).

That robot girl talk was funny by the way.

In addition to a Zelda RPG just having loads of potential, I also think it's the perfect scenario for having a game where Link and Zelda actually adventure together given how party systems tend to be the norm.

Link fits the bill of your classic warrior class, Zelda is a mage, then you have other party members comprised of new faces from the other major races.
(Throw in a robot girl for good measure.)

TotK kinda/sorta gave us a taste of what that could be like. Though I honestly don't care if it's turn based or an action RPG.

I think the biggest problem lies in the story. You could absolutely make a compelling story, no doubts there, but it would definitely need to be an outsourced title. RPGs are all about the story, meanwhile the Zelda team always puts story second, figuring it out well after they've decided on gameplay, levels, etc.

 

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Things aren't looking good for Ubisoft.... I don't know how this will affect Assassin Creed and Rayman in next Smash.

No I guess we will never see Beyond Good and Evil 2 and this time case closed

Forgotten Land unfortunately fails to introduce any sound Smash candidates to the mix. The closest is Bandana Dee, but in addition to already having a big following beforehand, he's not all that different from his Star Allies adaptation, which had way more options than Forgotten Land had. I might've counted Elfilin if he had more direct connections to his other half, but they made a bit of a misstep by disassociating their identities.

What about Elfillin

 

[fogbadge]

I would hate to bring up the discussion of cuts again, but I was wondering something; since there were no cuts between Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS and Smash Bros. Ultimate, what cuts may you expect or think will happen from Smash Bros. for Wii U and 3DS ALONE?

that's a difficult one to judge. I would have thought that the easily most expendable character would have been dark pit but he's sakurai's baby

 

[Scrimblo Bimblo]

I think the biggest problem lies in the story. You could absolutely make a compelling story, no doubts there, but it would definitely need to be an outsourced title. RPGs are all about the story, meanwhile the Zelda team always puts story second, figuring it out well after they've decided on gameplay, levels, etc.

Eh. Ocarina of Time, Link's Awakening and Majora's Mask have more compelling stories than the vast majority of RPGs.
Those games were made a long time ago, though.

Anyways turning Zelda into an RPG is the quickest way to finally ruin the series imo.

 

[Gengar84]

Eh. Ocarina of Time, Link's Awakening and Majora's Mask have more compelling stories than the vast majority of RPGs.
Those games were made a long time ago, though.

Anyways turning Zelda into an RPG is the quickest way to finally ruin the series imo.

How many RPGs have you played? There are plenty out there with really great stories. I think you’re underselling the genre a bit. Either way, it’s not like the existence of the Mario RPGs ruined the platformer games. They can exist separately.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

A Zelda RPG would make for a great spin-off, but it wouldn't work well as the main genre to turn the games into. Echoes of Wisdom is still ultimately an action-adventure game, it's just far more puzzle-based than other ones. The few that are completely different are the Tingle games and Link's Crossbow Training. Hyrule Warriors is still an action game, though it also has more RPG elements than some. Even the CD-i games didn't change the genre overall(and if anything, showed why ammo is not a fun system to use. Especially with Rupee-based costs to use an item/attack. While it wasn't that bad in Zelda I, it very quickly showed to be annoying. ALTTP had similar issues, and at least magic costs weren't too bad in the 3D games. ALBW was the first one that I remember to have a better item meter, making it much easier to use, but still balanced since you couldn't spam all day and required to at least try to dodge things).

As for the RPG thing, there's tons of routes to go. I feel like something akin to Tales of would fit the action style of Zelda a bit nicely while also making stuff like MP or whatever feel more reasonable to use. There's a lot of routes an RPG can take though. And genre of it too.

 

[Kirby Dragons]

As far as things people don't speculate about that might have a chance...

Genshin
GTA
Call of Duty
Someone from Apex Legends
Rainbow Six Siege?
Assassin's Creed
Mobile game stuff (think candy crush, Bloons, clash of clans, etc)
PUBG
Arknights? FGO?

Almost forgot anime fighters that aren't GG. Y'all aren't ready for the Melty Blood rep.

For most of those series, I would be genuinely shocked if they got represented. Not that it's impossible, but they'd feel like a big change of pace from what we have now.

 

[dream1ng]

I want a Zelda RPG. The coming back of Mario RPGs on Switch this year makes me realise this even more, and how much more fitting Zelda would be for this genre (not that I don't enjoy Mario RPGs, I think TYYD and M&L are my favorite games of the year easily).

That robot girl talk was funny by the way.

Just gotta play Golden Sun again I guess - it's as close as you'll get for the time being, lol.

 

[Gengar84]

Had the Borderlands movie actually been a big hit and didn’t flop like it did, I feel like that could have propelled the series into potential Smash contention. There are some smaller series that I’d love to see that are each getting some attention these days in Soul Reaver and Darksiders. Soul Reaver is getting a remaster of their first two games and they’re being reviewed pretty well. Darksiders just got a new co-op top down action game a few years ago that also reviewed pretty well. Both series are still huge long shots but each has a ton of potential if they ever decided to include them in Smash for some reason.

 

[Garteam]

I missed most of the Bayonetta talk, but she is one of the safest third parties, period.

Nintendo outright owns most of the IP from Bayonetta 2 and presumably Bayonetta 3 does a lot, but her and Banjo and Kazooie are about as close to honourary Nintendo characters as it gets. Sega being very easy to work with as a licensor also helps a lot. There's a reason she was added prior to Ultimate, even if it was as DLC. She's absurdly accessible and there's no reason not to include her.

Also, to be completely honest, the whole "Bayonetta 3 didn't sell as well as the original and now Bayonetta is in trouble in Smash" feels like an artificially elevated standard that doesn't reflect how Nintendo does IP management. By this logic, very little content from games released post-COVID because most of the Switch's best sellers were released in the first couple of years and most franchises that have received games in recent years (Zelda, Splatoon, Fire Emblem) could not outsell their previous, major mainline release on the Switch.

Xenoblade Chronicles 3 did not sell as well as 2 and it didn't sell tremendously better than Bayonetta 3, but people are still very confident that game will receive a full newcomer. Hell, some people believe strongly we'll get two Xenoblade 3 newcomers. Bayonetta can get a bone tossed her way.

 

[Gengar84]

It might just be wishful thinking but I honestly feel like most people are sleeping on the potential of a second RARE character. Microsoft has been allowing Nintendo to port pretty much all of their biggest games that have been on Nintendo to the online service and even hyped a lot of them up. I think RARE’s past connection with Nintendo would help resonate with the older Smash fans that remember RARE’s days with Nintendo fondly. My two top picks are the Battletoads and Fulgore. I’m not entirely sure which they’d go with and each offers a lot to Smash and have movesets perfectly fitting for a platform fighter.

 

[AlRex]

I feel like Mario + JRPG is more chocolate + peanut butter and Zelda + JRPG is chocolate + another chocolate, based on the general settings and trappings of a lot of JRPGs. Metroid or Kirby would be more interesting to me off of how the mechanics and settings could mix more. Donkey Kong RPG could be fun/funny.

 

[Cyberfire]

A Grinch Leak video popped up in my feed today and reminded me of the glorious chaos of 2018. But it also reminded me of the characters so many of us were tricked into thinking were coming - funny that we actually did get Ken and Banjo, but what about the remaining 5?

It's been a few years now, but what do you think about these characters chances in an upcoming Smash game?

• Shadow
• Isaac
• Mach Rider
• Chorus Kids
• Geno

 

[NintenRob]

Unlocking characters is all fine and good.

Unlocking the entire ing roster was the biggest load of bull time-wasting I think I've seen in any fighting game ever. As someone who's had to do that more than once, the reality of how stupid it actually is sets in pretty damn fast.

I'd rather unlock the whole roster than have no unlockable characters.

Though I'd rather a balance where there's like 10-20 unlockable characters and they all have some creative thought behind the unlock method. (Melee did this best)

 

[Kirby Dragons]

A Grinch Leak video popped up in my feed today and reminded me of the glorious chaos of 2018. But it also reminded me of the characters so many of us were tricked into thinking were coming - funny that we actually did get Ken and Banjo, but what about the remaining 5?

It's been a few years now, but what do you think about these characters chances in an upcoming Smash game?

• Shadow
• Isaac
• Mach Rider
• Chorus Kids
• Geno

• Highly likely.
• Likely if they want to add fanservice characters.
• In the mix for the game's designated retro character.
• It's a smaller series and the Chorus Kids aren't as requested as Isaac, so I don't see it.
• Honestly more likely than before.

 

[Scrimblo Bimblo]

How many RPGs have you played? There are plenty out there with really great stories. I think you’re underselling the genre a bit. Either way, it’s not like the existence of the Mario RPGs ruined the platformer games. They can exist separately.

A few, and I generally liked them well enough.
I think RPGs in general tend to be very convoluted and overexplained though. Which is fine, but Zelda at its best is surreal and delicate and works mostly in subtext, the polar opposite. I already dislike what Hyrule Warriors did enough.

Out of the argument though, even the best RPGs tend to totally lose the plot in the last third (looking at you, FF9 and XB1).
I'd say the Mother games and Chrono Trigger have the best stories out of the ones I've played.

 

[Among Waddle Dees]

What about Elfillin

What about Elfilin? I already made my stance pretty clear:

I might've counted Elfilin if he had more direct connections to his other half, but they made a bit of a misstep by disassociating their identities.

The way Forgotten Land's story is told basically doesn't leave room to give Elfilin a battle concept right off the bat. Even hypothetical creative liberties that could fuse his potential with that of Elfilis' may not make him all that special a candidate. Unless they want to try and make him override Bandana Dee's combat gimmick (VERY impossible) I don't see all that much Elfilin could do to stick out, even when compared to other Kirby candidates that Dee support has constantly eclipsed.

 

[Gengar84]

A few, and I generally liked them well enough.
I think RPGs in general tend to be very convoluted and overexplained though. Which is fine, but Zelda at its best is surreal and delicate and works mostly in subtext, the polar opposite. I already dislike what Hyrule Warriors did enough.

Out of the argument though, even the best RPGs tend to totally lose the plot in the last third (looking at you, FF9 and XB1).
I'd say the Mother games and Chrono Trigger have the best stories out of the ones I've played.

Those are some of my favorite games. I loved Final Fantasy IX and Chrono Trigger’s stories in particular. I agree that the plot of Xenoblade often goes over my head, especially the later entries. Still an awesome experience just for the exploration and music even I don’t fully understand everything that’s going on. Tales of Arise and Persona 4 had really good stories although both of them did veer into the typical fighting a god and saving the world through the power of friendship by the end. Still, even that was handled really well. Tales of Arise had one of the best endings for an RPG that I’ve played.

 

[Dinoman96]

It might just be wishful thinking but I honestly feel like most people are sleeping on the potential of a second RARE character. Microsoft has been allowing Nintendo to port pretty much all of their biggest games that have been on Nintendo to the online service and even hyped a lot of them up. I think RARE’s past connection with Nintendo would help resonate with the older Smash fans that remember RARE’s days with Nintendo fondly. My two top picks are the Battletoads and Fulgore. I’m not entirely sure which they’d go with and each offers a lot to Smash and have movesets perfectly fitting for a platform fighter.

I know we're just going in circles at this point, but I just feel like no other Microsoft owned Rare character has the same fan demand and popularity amongst Smash fans that got Banjo in. I just can't see Nintendo going with Battletoads, Killer Instinct, etc over more popular/requested candidates like Crash, Doomguy, Master Chief, etc for a potential third MS character.

For better or for worse, Nintendo and Sakurai always tend to go for the biggest series/characters from each third party (i.e Dragon Quest and Final Fantasy from Square-Enix, Pac-Man and Tekken from Bandai Namco, even Terry is SNK's mascot, etc), the only exceptions seem to be, well, the heavily fan demanded ones like Bayonetta and Banjo-Kazooie.

 

[Speed Weed]

It might just be wishful thinking but I honestly feel like most people are sleeping on the potential of a second RARE character. Microsoft has been allowing Nintendo to port pretty much all of their biggest games that have been on Nintendo to the online service and even hyped a lot of them up. I think RARE’s past connection with Nintendo would help resonate with the older Smash fans that remember RARE’s days with Nintendo fondly. My two top picks are the Battletoads and Fulgore. I’m not entirely sure which they’d go with and each offers a lot to Smash and have movesets perfectly fitting for a platform fighter.

I respect that you want them and there's nothing wrong with that but honestly I personally feel that passing over every other character Microsoft owns in favor of a second Rare character would be kind of insane

 

[Gengar84]

I know we're just going in circles at this point, but I just feel like no other Microsoft owned Rare character has the same fan demand and popularity amongst Smash fans that got Banjo into Smash. I just can't see Nintendo going with Battletoads, Killer Instinct, etc over more popular/requested candidates like Crash, Doomguy, Master Chief, etc for a potential third MS character.

For better or for worse, Nintendo and Sakurai always tend to go for the biggest series/characters from each third party (i.e DQ and FF from Square-Enix, Pac-Man and Tekken from Bandai Namco, even Terry is SNK's mascot, etc), the only exceptions seem to be, well, the heavily fan demanded ones like Bayonetta and Banjo-Kazooie.

That’s possible too. I feel like it could go either way. You’re probably right that another RARE character isn’t exactly likely but I do think there’s a better chance than people are giving it credit for right now, even if that’s still small in the grand scheme of things. I think it really depends if they’d rather focus on their own history or gaming at large. Even the bigger series you mentioned like Crash and Halo are in a rough spot right now. Crash appears to be on hiatus after Crash 4 apparently didn’t meet sales expectations and Halo has been on the decline for a long time now from what I’ve heard. The RARE games also serve as awesome retro characters if they want to include characters from different gaming eras. Microsoft already got two characters in Ultimate so nothing’s stopping them from including both Rash and Master Chief if they wanted to.

If they’re looking specifically for what’s hot right now in the general gaming community, I think Jinx from League of Legends makes a ton of sense. League is one of the biggest games out there and Arcane really expanded their reach with people that would have never played the game like myself. Arcane season 2 just wrapped up and was received largely positively even if it didn’t quite live up to the first season by a lot of fans. Riot has also released LoL properties on the Switch like the RPG Ruined King (which was actually really fun). League of Legends represents the new generation of gaming and bring in a younger audience while RARE could appeal more to older fans that grew up with their games on Nintendo. That way, Smash is covering a large history of gaming from nostalgic classics (like Simon) to current breakout stars (like Joker).

 

[BritishGuy54]

I feel like Mario + JRPG is more chocolate + peanut butter and Zelda + JRPG is chocolate + another chocolate, based on the general settings and trappings of a lot of JRPGs. Metroid or Kirby would be more interesting to me off of how the mechanics and settings could mix more. Donkey Kong RPG could be fun/funny.

I do wonder if a Nintendo crossover RPG might be something we’d benefit from. It could kind of soothe some people’s calls for Smash to have a new story mode.

I didn’t talk about third party characters earlier, so I might as well throw my cents into this ring. Also not I’m hesitant to give a certain third party company many more characters than the others, so three seems to be my personal cap. The real chances will likely look more all over the place to be honest.

The Big Three:
I think Smash can’t go without these guys now, unless we bring the roster down to below Brawl’s count (39). Sonic and Street Fighter have always been popular and have been making strides recently. I think these two have tons of room to bring in new faces, stages, music, and more. Also the Pac is back.

Safe(-ish) Secondary Choices:
These guys I see little reason to cut besides unavoidable issues, such as age ratings being an issue. Many legacy fans may seethe at me placing Ryu as higher priority to Mega Man, but that’s just how the state of Capcom seems. Kazuya I see little reason to cut. Bayonetta and/or Joker would be more safe if the ESRB was not an issue. Terry’s a bit of a wild card, fluctuating between these two tiers due to Kazuya and Ryu also being safe picks.

Harder to Secure Primary Faces:
These guys might be harder to deal with, likely due to company stinginess, or just being expendable enough to leave out next game. Cloud and Hero fall into the earlier point, while Simon and Steve, both popular additions, may fall into the latter tier of being crammed by a smaller roster.

Secondary Faces who need EIH:
I think these guys will be the first to go. Snake has the double whammy of being M-rated putting him at risk until we learn more, and Konami not being in Smash 4. Banjo had a lot of fan-demand, but I think he might not return in favour of say, Crash. And Sephiroth likely won’t return if Cloud comes back with more content, and I don’t see Square Enix getting what basically amounts to being a whole Fighter’s Pass to itself. These are the characters I’m least confident will return.

 

[Gengar84]

I’d love a Smash RPG but I feel like it would be really hard to tell a compelling story with so many different characters that come from completely different worlds. Typically, RPGs focus on a party of between 6 and 12 characters. The more you add, the harder it is to fully flesh out everyone. If they could somehow pull it off, I think it could be awesome. I’m a big fan of both Smash and JRPGs so that would be a perfect match for my interests.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

What about Elfilin? I already made my stance pretty clear:

The way Forgotten Land's story is told basically doesn't leave room to give Elfilin a battle concept right off the bat. Even hypothetical creative liberties that could fuse his potential with that of Elfilis' may not make him all that special a candidate. Unless they want to try and make him override Bandana Dee's combat gimmick (VERY impossible) I don't see all that much Elfilin could do to stick out, even when compared to other Kirby candidates that Dee support has constantly eclipsed.

Well if we're seriously considering this, I think Elfilin does have a bit of ground to lay down a foundation. He may not be Elfilis, but he's derived from him, and does clearly have power of his own, as seen in the game's ending. A moveset where he has a bunch of friendlier variants of Elfilis' attacks would probably work well. Using this things, his tool kit could consist of creating a spear to attack with (which is necessary for him to have...any range at all), teleporting around, creating portals to send himself or projectiles through, throwing spear projectiles that track opponents, performing a very similar move to Shadow Flare with said spear projectiles, and charging at the player with a big dash attack. That last bit is something that Elfilin actually does in the game, so it should be a garunteed part of his moveset.

As far as overlap with Bandana Waddle Dee, I think that while he and Elfilin would both wield spears, Elfilin could easily be like Meta Knight in that his butter knife of a blade doesn't allow him to be a swordfighter like Bandana Waddle Dee would. In fact, I think they'd do this independantly of the other character if Elfilin was going to have a combination of physical moves like tackles and special move gimmicks like placing down portals that let him perform a ton of shenanigans with said dash attack, and a bunch of projectiles.

 

[Wonder Smash]

I’d love a Smash RPG but I feel like it would be really hard to tell a compelling story with so many different characters that come from completely different worlds. Typically, RPGs focus on a party of between 6 and 12 characters. The more you add, the harder it is to fully flesh out everyone. If they could somehow pull it off, I think it could be awesome. I’m a big fan of both Smash and JRPGs so that would be a perfect match for my interests.

Yeah I can picture a Smash Bros RPG myself. It already seems to have some of the elements with Subspace and World of Light.

As for how hard it would possibly be, we can always look at other crossover RPGs (Super Robot Wars, Namco X crossovers) and see if those same things can work for Smash.

 

[Gengar84]

Speaking of RPGs and Smash, what are some of your most wanted RPG characters for Smash? Which ones do you think have the highest chance? Here’s some of mine:

Magus (Chrono Trigger)

While Crono is the most obvious choice, I personally find Magus more compelling for a few reasons. First, I just love him as a character, both in design and in personality and story. He stands out more mechanically and visually from Hero and has a unique weapon to Smash. Magus also seems to have a larger role in the broader series as a whole compared to Crono who was just the face of the first game.

Alphen/Shionne as a transform duo (Tales of Arise)

I just loved Shionne as a character and she had amazing character growth throughout the game. She provides Alphen with the ability to use his flame sword in the game so the two are mechanically and narratively linked. Alphen can power up his sword attacks by sacrificing his own health and Shionne is a ranged fighter with healing abilities that compliment Alphen’s style really well.

Zegram Ghart (Rogue Galaxy)

Zegram admittedly has nearly no chance at all but he’s one of my favorite gaming characters ever. Zegram’s a badass space pirate that fights with a huge sword and shuriken. He’s got one of the coolest looking designs and is voiced by one of my favorite actors in Steve Blum. He also had a really unique and compelling story in the game where he shifts between ally and enemy.

Etna (Disgaea)

Another seemingly odd choice where Laharl would be the more obvious pick. Again, this is partly out of bias but I think the fact that she heavily uses the series mascots in her moveset helps her out a lot. She’s also a spear wielder which is unique to Smash other than Byleth. Disgaea has a ton of crazy attack animations that would be awesome to see in Smash.

H’aanit (Octopath Traveller)

H’aanit is a huntress and beast tamer which is really unique to Smash. She uses both an axe and a bow and summons creatures she captures for various effects or attacks. I love the two Octopath games and H’aanit is my favorite character in them. She’s also also is the most unique compared to other Smash characters.

 

[NotGenerico]

I don't think Snake is getting cut. He is one of the few characters that had their ballot placement revealed and he placed higher than Bayonetta. He's a very popular character in general and I think he'll stay along with the Belmonts as long as Konami and Nintendo keep a good relationship. I believe this to be the case as Power Pros, a Konami series, was part of those extra Spirits that were added to Ultimate earlier this year.

 

[Diddy Kong]

In addition to a Zelda RPG just having loads of potential, I also think it's the perfect scenario for having a game where Link and Zelda actually adventure together given how party systems tend to be the norm.

Link fits the bill of your classic warrior class, Zelda is a mage, then you have other party members comprised of new faces from the other major races.
(Throw in a robot girl for good measure.)

TotK kinda/sorta gave us a taste of what that could be like. Though I honestly don't care if it's turn based or an action RPG.

I think the biggest problem lies in the story. You could absolutely make a compelling story, no doubts there, but it would definitely need to be an outsourced title. RPGs are all about the story, meanwhile the Zelda team always puts story second, figuring it out well after they've decided on gameplay, levels, etc.

Following the BOTW formula, which is likely cause Echoes did it too, we already have a token extra party member for each of the common tribes. Goron (tank and heavy weapon user), Zora (healer / lancer), Rito (archer) and Gerudo (swordfighter with lightning elemental attacks). Throw in Impa as the assassin/ thief standard role the Sheikah have and we have a solid roster. Maybe a bit too much even, but this works.

And I think the rest shouldn't really differ from the norm. Any standard Zelda story works honestly. Little more emphasis on a deeper story line wouldn't hurt too much.

And indeed, it gives a good reason to have Link and Zelda appear playable at the same time.

I feel like Mario + JRPG is more chocolate + peanut butter and Zelda + JRPG is chocolate + another chocolate, based on the general settings and trappings of a lot of JRPGs. Metroid or Kirby would be more interesting to me off of how the mechanics and settings could mix more. Donkey Kong RPG could be fun/funny.

Maybe not as exciting but I could see it helping the Zelda franchise evolve honestly. Take a game like BOTW and give it RPG elements would work like a charm for example.

A Donkey Kong RPG is a pipe dream. I'd love it, but I don't think it's as realistic. I do want it more however than I want a Zelda RPG, yet a Zelda RPG seems a little more likely.

Smash Bros RPG seems doable, as a story mode or something. It already adopts a lot of RPG elements in World of Light, Smash Run, you name it. They could easily go all the way with it.

 

[Will]

Speaking of RPGs and Smash, what are some of your most wanted RPG characters for Smash?

A Dark Souls character, probably.

 

[CannonStreak]

that's a difficult one to judge. I would have thought that the easily most expendable character would have been dark pit but he's sakurai's baby

Yeah, I didn’t really think Dark Pit will get cut so easily. There were, and still are people who want him cut, but that is a different story, as wanting someone cut does not mean they will be.

 

[PersonAngelo53]

Had the Borderlands movie actually been a big hit and didn’t flop like it did, I feel like that could have propelled the series into potential Smash contention. There are some smaller series that I’d love to see that are each getting some attention these days in Soul Reaver and Darksiders. Soul Reaver is getting a remaster of their first two games and they’re being reviewed pretty well. Darksiders just got a new co-op top down action game a few years ago that also reviewed pretty well. Both series are still huge long shots but each has a ton of potential if they ever decided to include them in Smash for some reason.

Speaking of Soul reaver the remaster just came out I saw it on steam. I was considering buying it since I never got to play this one.

 

[Perkilator]

Speaking of RPGs and Smash, what are some of your most wanted RPG characters for Smash?

• Either Meowscarada, Tinkaton or Gholdengo
• Alear
• Noah & Mio
• Aigis
• Estelle Bright

 

[Gengar84]

Speaking of Soul reaver the remaster just came out I saw it on steam. I was considering buying it since I never got to play this one.

Yeah, I want to buy it too. I tried it when it first came out on the PlayStation 1 and I wasn’t great at it but the game is just so cool that I want to give it another shot. Hopefully the remaster does well enough to revitalize the series.