Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Kirbeh]

I don't have a problem with Junior being in the Clown Car. I think it's very much worth noting that the Clown Car and the Paintbrush can coexist from recent media like Super Nintendo World and Bowser's Fury.

I think Junior should be allowed to evolve; the Clown Car was all he had in the times of Smash 4 and it basically eclipsed the paintbrush in its entirety, but now now that he uses both I don't see why the Paintbrush can't be incorporated in a more significant way. I'm not asking for the Clown Car to be axed entirely, I want him to wield the Paintbrush too.

What would the Koopalings wield? Their wands? I guess it could work. The main problem I have with them is that they look very weird since they have to be shrunk down to fit the Car. And like it or not, they do homogenize Junior and themselves because they all share a set of same generic animations. There's no way the dev team didn't make Jr's animations without the other SEVEN characters they had to account for in mind.

I'm still on the semi-clone train for Jr. and the Koopalings. Have Jr. go solo, replacing the fork and hammer attacks with his paintbrush. The Koopalings get new specials using stuff from their boss fights. Cannonball becomes Roy's Bill Blaster, they throw Lemmy's bombs instead of deploying Mechakoopas, etc.

That is fair enough. But I think only this one needs change. if any.

The one where they're inside the Clown Car is perfectly fine as is and the other one where they're outside of it is just them petting the vehicule. No need to go crazy.

I think a possible solution would be to rip their models from another game and use them for the victory screens exclusively. During gameplay they retain the modified proportions, but you get the illusion of them being more like themselves after the match ends.

It can be pretty frustrating, really, how it is that once a character gets into Smash, some people basically give up on evaluating them objectively.

Anyway, I know that was a bit of a rant but this is one scenario where, just looking at it as objectively as possible with the benefit of hindsight, I feel they made the wrong call.

Who's the arbiter of this objectivity when it comes to roster selection?

If we're actually trying to be objective here, it'd be more accurate to say that "once a character gets into Smash, and that character finds its fans, those fans generally want to keep their character."

If you dislike Incineroar that's fine, plenty of people dislike him. Trying to rationalize why it was "objectively" bad for them to choose the character you didn't want just sounds petty.

Grapplers? It's a long shot, but.....

I'm always surprised by how much support Buggsy has within these circles. And it goes waaay back too.

Not my cup of tea (I want too many Kirby characters as is,) but I wouldn't complain. There's definitely some fun stuff you could do with him.

Well you know how Smash fans are. Incapable of comprehending the idea that a Pokemon that isn't an edgy furry from the latest generation could have any sort of popularity.

We all know that you know that that isn't true in the slightest.

Yeah, Smash needs an inanimate object-based Pokémon like Chandelure or Aegislash.

Based.

You will get Wash Rotom and specifically Wash Rotom and you will like it.

Mega Based.

This is how Dhelmise wins

Basado.

I would totally play as Palossand

Literally, one of my most wanted Pokémon unironically.

I know I brought up Wash Rotom, but I just got an anonymous endorsement for Frost Rotom.

This is what they had to say.

Hold on a minute. French door fridge? ZA is in Kalos. Regional Wash Rotom confirmed.

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Semi-unrelated, but I've been toying around with the idea of human Pokémon characters as fighters that are accompanied by their Pokémon in a similar fashion to a Stand or Persona. So, Brock with his Geodude, Koga and Crobat, etc. Inspired by May, I thought it'd be fun to have Acerola paired with Dhelmise.

And that's why I want my Pokemon newcomers to lean more into myself.

And no, I can't just play as them because most of you want all of them except Pikachu gone. So I can only play as them for now unless by some miracle we do get everyone back for the next game or continued DLC for Ultimate.

Wanting characters gone is different from expecting them to be gone. Plenty of people here and within the larger Smash fandom are very much fans of Trainer as a unit along with Puff and Pichu. Incin, Puff, and Pichu are my most played Pokémon personally. I want the latter two to stay just as much as the former.

They made it busted in VGC on purpose to make it seem like it has more non-furry fans than it really does.

See, now this is starting to read like a series of troll posts.

 

[Ivander]

You know, all this Incineroar talk and debating and I have not seen this image appear once.

Also an excuse to mention about how it's almost been a month since our last Nintendo Switch Online releases(Shadowman and Turok 2 released on the 28th). Some more NSO games soon would be nice, Nintendo.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

You know, all this Incineroar talk and debating and I have not seen this image appear once.

I'd considered it, but I'd just rather not myself engage at this point.
Been fighting these fights since 2018, arguably even since 2016 and it's gotten so tiresome on my end.

 

[Ivander]

I'd considered it, but I'd just rather not myself engage at this point.
Been fighting these fights since 2018, arguably even since 2016 and it's gotten so tiresome on my end.

At least you aren't a Fire Emblem fan, who've been fighting these fights longer than you.

 

[Guynamednelson]

We all know that you know that that isn't true in the slightest.

I just legitimately have a hard time believing that when some people are too focused on Eevee being another gen 1 Pokemon to see any of its other merits, and people's idea for a "better gen 2 rep" tends to be...you know. More badass and anthromorphic, rather than focusing on the push Marill and Togepi got back then or something like that.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

At least you aren't a Fire Emblem fan, who've been fighting these fights longer than you.

I was someone who unironically wanted Dr. Mario to return back before he did.

So much "fun" there.

 

[NotGenerico]

Sony buying Kadokawa doesn't necessarily mean that Spike Chunsoft won't do any more games for Nintendo consoles. Aniplex is a Sony subsidiary and has published several games on the Switch. I could see Spike Chunsoft and Acquire (That's right, Kadokawa owns the Brothership developers) being placed under the Aniplex brand or something similar and keep developing games for Nintendo Consoles.

As for FromSoft, Sony would probably allow them to keep releasing their games at least on PC. By the way, this doesn't affect Dark Souls chances of getting into Smash that much. The Dark Souls IP is owned by Bandai Namco. Elden Ring is the one who's owned 100% by FromSoft and would probably be the one that has its chances of getting into Smash affected.

 

[SPEN18]

Who's the arbiter of this objectivity when it comes to roster selection?

If we're actually trying to be objective here, it'd be more accurate to say that "once a character gets into Smash, and that character finds its fans, those fans generally want to keep their character."

If you dislike Incineroar that's fine, plenty of people dislike him. Trying to rationalize why it was "objectively" bad for them to choose the character you didn't want just sounds petty.

I don't want to get sucked back too much into the whole "what counts as objective" discussion, but looking back at it, I think I dipped into that terminology to express (1) that I'm trying to look at things at a level beyond just personal feelings on a character, i.e. that the root issue is something more than just "I don't personally like Incineroar" (i.e. simply being petty), and (2) trying to point out that Incineroar's case rests almost entirely on people liking his moveset, because his other qualities didn't and don't stack up well against other Pokemon candidates.

And has been pointed out by both sides, for a lot of people just liking his moveset is good enough, and that's fine. But if we're going to speculate on anything beyond who we personally want or what Sakurai personally has an affinity for, then simply having a fun moveset is, on its own, subject to a lot of pure personal opinion and a point in favor that can be applied generally to a majority of characters. Some tried to get more specific with the value of the grappler-based kit and I can appreciate those attempts, even though they still ultimately fall short of convincing me that another option would've been or would be better.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I just legitimately have a hard time believing that when some people are too focused on Eevee being another gen 1 Pokemon to see any of its other merits, and people's idea for a "better gen 2 rep" tends to be...you know. More badass and anthromorphic, rather than focusing on the push Marill and Togepi got back then or something like that.

I don't think Marill really got a push, did it? It showed up in Pikachu's Vacation alongside the First Movie, but if that's a push I could also apply that logic to Snubbull and Donphan, and as much as I'd love Donphan in Smash (it's my favorite Gen 2 mon), that's just unrealistic considering it was a quarter of a century ago.

If we're talking in Melee instead of Pichu, that's not realistic either since Pichu was one of the last minute clone characters, and Marill couldn't be a clone.

Togepi did have a more noticeable push, since it was given to Misty in Kanto and accompanied her until Hoenn when it evolved into Togetic, but Togepi is like the epitome of a Baby Pokemon. Every piece of media that has Togepi in it shows it as basically a literal baby that has trouble getting up when it falls over, so I don't exactly think it would work out well in a fighting game.

The most common pick I see people want from Gen 2 is typically Scizor, potentially partially due to it returning in Ultimate after being gone ever since Melee. That said, Gen 2 was still 25 years ago, and I don't think it's likely for us to get anything from that Gen aside from Pichu at this point, and I feel similarly about other Generations. If Gen 9 is still the most recent Gen when Smash comes out, it'll probably get a character, but if Gen 10 comes out in the meantime, it won't, and it probably won't get a second look going forward for newcomers.

As for Gen 1 Pokemon, outside of my talk of thinking Eevee would probably be boring/take too many creative liberties/Trainer and Eevee with evolutions being 7 characters/being forced to utilize skills from a spin-off game that Pokemon doesn't plan on going back to, a lot of people were okay with the idea of Eevee, and some that weren't suggested Gengar as an alternative, so I have no idea what you're talking about with people not seeing the merits of another Gen 1 Pokemon.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I don't think Marill really got a push, did it? It showed up in Pikachu's Vacation alongside the First Movie, but if that's a push I could also apply that logic to Snubbull and Donphan, and as much as I'd love Donphan in Smash (it's my favorite Gen 2 mon), that's just unrealistic considering it was a quarter of a century ago.

To Marill's defense, it was also part of the Orange Islands cast because of Tracy.

But I can understand if you forgot about Tracy since no one really cared about him.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I don't think Marill really got a push, did it? It showed up in Pikachu's Vacation alongside the First Movie

It was also one of Tracey's (AKA Brock's temporary replacement) partners in the second season of the anime, the only one of his that was from Gen 2.

and I feel similarly about other Generations

And it's a shame, because with how much Pokemon has grown thanks to those mobile spinoffs, there's inevitably going to be a lot more Pokemon fans who aren't attached to the latest generation, let alone whatever choice from it that we consider the safest bet. Sure Pokemon Go has all the generations now, but not when it was at its most popular.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

To Marill's defense, it was also part of the Orange Islands cast because of Tracy.

But I can understand if you forgot about Tracy since no one really cared about him.

I mean if we're including travel companion teams, then I could go so far as to include Cilan's Stunfisk in that group, so I'm not sure why Tracey's Marill gets the pass on that when it pretty much never showed up after Gen 2 minus the Egg that hatched into Misty's Azurill in Gen 3 lol

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I mean if we're including travel companion teams, then I could go so far as to include Cilan's Stunfisk in that group, so I'm not sure why Tracey's Marill gets the pass on that when it pretty much never showed up after Gen 2 minus the Egg that hatched into Misty's Azurill in Gen 3 lol

Difference being Marill was there promoting the upcoming Gen II while Stunfisk was one of many Pokémon within an active Generation.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Difference being Marill was there promoting the upcoming Gen II while Stunfisk was one of many Pokémon within an active Generation.

That's fair, I always forget where Orange Islands lands in the episode lineup.

That category would still presumably include May's Munchlax and James's Mime Jr. though (though I will give that Marill and Togepi are the only ones that don't evolve into a pre-existing Pokemon), so I still don't really know that that category means much lol

 

[AlRex]

Dunno bro. Pikachu, Charizard, Mewtwo, Lucario and Greninja are pretty much a given in every situation.

This is close to a “correct” answer, but not a particularly interesting one. Perhaps a few too many “humanoid badass” bipeds with relatively similar body shapes, but that’s also fairly easy to transfer over.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

That's fair, I always forget where Orange Islands lands in the episode lineup.

That category would still presumably include May's Munchlax and James's Mime Jr. though (though I will give that Marill and Togepi are the only ones that don't evolve into a pre-existing Pokemon), so I still don't really know that that category means much lol

When Lucario is also in that group of early birds (which the Mime Jr. species debuted in the same film), hard to really count any of them in the running. Like only Weavile would have had a reasonable chance out of them, but again, the competition was the main star.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

When Lucario is also in that group of early birds (which the Mime Jr. species debuted in the same film), hard to really count any of them in the running. Like only Weavile would have had a reasonable chance out of them, but again, the competition was the main star.

I remember that being a big reason why Zoroark was so pushed in the pre-Smash 4 days, since it felt like a repeating pattern.

If we're counting all the early birds though including the movies, the list gets even bigger like with Buizel, Chatot, and Manaphy, Donphan like I mentioned before, Blaziken and Kecleon in the Johto League...

Even with just the movie ones, there's a ton, and Lucario is the only one that used it to his advantage (especially since Smash Lucario is that specific Lucario lol).

 

[Kirbeh]

I just legitimately have a hard time believing that when some people are too focused on Eevee being another gen 1 Pokemon to see any of its other merits, and people's idea for a "better gen 2 rep" tends to be...you know. More badass and anthromorphic, rather than focusing on the push Marill and Togepi got back then or something like that.

Funnily enough it's Spen who's so Eevee focused... You're both in the same boat when it comes to Incineroar at least.

As for the latter, people focusing on the things that they like? Is there really any surprise there?

I see no issue with people focusing on the Pokémon they like, regardless of what attributes they may be perceived to have (like cuteness or coolness), and regardless of what body type they have (seriously, this is such a weird hang up imo).

I'm right there with you in wanting more variety. It'd be fun to see what they do with more quadrupeds or more abstract stuff like the object-mon, and I'll never say no to more cute Pokémon. Well, maybe not never, as I'm not in favor of Togepi now that you bring them up, but you get the idea.

A lot of what people are also focusing on, are what they perceive as being more "realistic" not necessarily what they want. I guarantee you; Eevee isn't most people's most wanted Gen 1 Pokémon if you were to tell them they had the freedom to pick anyone.

Being Gen 1 also isn't Eevee's only merit, but these conversations often begin with "who would be a good Gen 1 candidate," so it gets used pretty often. The conversation around Pokémon tends to be focused on the newer or current gens, so naturally Eevee doesn't tend to come up until the focus gets shifted to revisiting Gen 1 in particular.

I'm right there with regarding Pichu as well. I love the little guy and while I'm a fan of Scizor, I'm not fond of "fixing" the Melee roster or Gen 2 rep by replacing Pichu with Scizor. But again, I do like Scizor, and would be pretty pleased to see them make it in some day.

I'd be more than happy to hear you go off about all the Pokémon you think would be cool. Not so much to hear you continue your vendetta against (or anthropomorphism for whatever reason.)

If anything, I think players should be standing together against all the people who want to see them axed.

I don't want to get sucked back too much into the whole "what counts as objective" discussion, but looking back at it, I think I dipped into that terminology to express (1) that I'm trying to look at things at a level beyond just personal feelings on a character, i.e. that the root issue is something more than just "I don't personally like Incineroar" (i.e. simply being petty), and (2) trying to point out that Incineroar's case rests almost entirely on people liking his moveset, because his other qualities didn't and don't stack up well against other Pokemon candidates.

And has been pointed out by both sides, for a lot of people just liking his moveset is good enough, and that's fine. But if we're going to speculate on anything beyond who we personally want or what Sakurai personally has an affinity for, then simply having a fun moveset is, on its own, subject to a lot of pure personal opinion and a point in favor that can be applied generally to a majority of characters. Some tried to get more specific with the value of the grappler-based kit and I can appreciate those attempts, even though they still ultimately fall short of convincing me that another option would've been or would be better.

That's the thing though, his qualities don't stack up to you personally. If you don't like him, you don't like him.

You say you focused on the terminology of "objective" too much, but you're still doing it in this very post. Trying to find ways to pass off your subjective opinion as something that could be interpreted as fact based on factors that were also subjective to begin with.

People would take far less issue with your comments if you'd just left it as, "Yeah, Incinceroar just doesn't do it for me. I would've preferred "x" and here's "(wh)y."

 

[Guynamednelson]

(or anthropomorphism for whatever reason.)

I don't really have a vendetta against anthromorphism so much as I don't want Incineroar to be the gold standard for every single Pokemon rep from here on out.

For example if we do get a Gen 9 rep and no other Pokemon newcomer in the next game, and it's something like Tinkaton or Pawmot...I'll be okay.

 

[AlRex]

Now I’m going around even further. No more Pokémon! Add Agumon/Greymon. Yes.

Genuinely think it would be cool, but take the first part of the post a bit facetiously. If Yu-Gi-Oh! Were eligible, add them, too. SMT is technically already in. Yo-Kai Watch…maybe not before Professor Layton. All the other Mon-liked are further also-rans, though. Adding them is like adding Bonk or Gex, sadly.

 

[Kirbeh]

I don't really have a vendetta against anthromorphism so much as I don't want Incineroar to be the gold standard for every single Pokemon rep from here on out.

For example if we do get a Gen 9 rep and no other Pokemon newcomer in the next game, and it's something like Tinkaton or Pawmot...I'll be okay.

I don't know at what point it was decided that Incineroar was the golden standard, I feel like you're putting the cart before the horse and making it out as though your least wanted outcome is a forgone conclusion.

We definitely disagree on Gen 9 wants tho, those two are among my least liked lines in Gen 9. I'd be more than okay if they got in though. I know they'd make a lot of people happy.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I remember that being a big reason why Zoroark was so pushed in the pre-Smash 4 days, since it felt like a repeating pattern.

If we're counting all the early birds though including the movies, the list gets even bigger like with Buizel, Chatot, and Manaphy, Donphan like I mentioned before, Blaziken and Kecleon in the Johto League...

Even with just the movie ones, there's a ton, and Lucario is the only one that used it to his advantage (especially since Smash Lucario is that specific Lucario lol).

And being fair, a lot of why it was to his advantage was because the fact he headlined a movie that would be debuting a week after Brawl's project proposal and because the concept of a fighter that manipulated life energy had major appeal to Sakurai.

Majority of the early birds either didn't fit the timeframe or weren't "appealing" enough of concepts.
Something like Lucario really was in the right place at the right time.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I don't really have a vendetta against anthromorphism so much as I don't want Incineroar to be the gold standard for every single Pokemon rep from here on out.

For example if we do get a Gen 9 rep and no other Pokemon newcomer in the next game, and it's something like Tinkaton or Pawmot...I'll be okay.

I think Meowscarada could still be some fun since it has the magician angle (I assume Meowscarada is the main one you're referring to here), but I've been campaigning for Ogerpon ever since Teal Mask came out since I want the cute silly scrunkly that can also beat you to death with a cudgel because she has a specific Tera form to make use of Gen 9's gimmick better and it also adds another Legendary to the mix while also giving Grass some more push that I feel it's been sorta missing since the only Grass type right now is Ivysaur. Plus I just like it way more lol

 

[Gorgonzales]

It has intimidate, which is a great ability. It's got great bulk and physical attack. It has a nice bulky typing. It has a ton of great support moves. These are all great things for VGC. For singles, it's too slow to be effective. It's really only busted in doubles.

I love how Incineroar has Intimidate in Smash.

No, it's not actually coded into the game or mentioned by name; playing against a good Incineroar just has that much of a fear factor to it that the ability transcends the game and into the real world, being felt by the opponent whose controller-gripping hands are now noticeably sweater than usual.

 

[Ivander]

If Yu-Gi-Oh! Were eligible, add them, too.

Yeah, it's not happening unless Nintendo bought Konami and somehow got Yugioh's trading card making division too. And even then, that's shaky because of Shounen Jump and whoever owns Yu-Gi-Oh now.
Still, with how many cards there are, I can't imagine what cards would be chosen if a Yu-Gi-Oh Pokeball-like item(probably a random Yu-Gi-Oh card held up similarly to an Assist trophy summon) happened. I mean, there are the obvious ones like Dark Magician and Blue Eyes White Dragon, but there are probably 50x the amount of cards compared to your average list of monsters/Pokemon in a monster/Pokemon catching game.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I think Meowscarada could still be some fun since it has the magician angle (I assume Meowscarada is the main one you're referring to here), but I've been campaigning for Ogerpon ever since Teal Mask came out since I want the cute silly scrunkly that can also beat you to death with a cudgel because she has a specific Tera form to make use of Gen 9's gimmick better and it also adds another Legendary to the mix while also giving Grass some more push that I feel it's been sorta missing since the only Grass type right now is Ivysaur. Plus I just like it way more lol

Unfortunately I feel any of the post-release DLC Pokémon are likely to be in a bad spot. Which sucks because Bloodmoon Ursaluna is one of my favorites of the Generation and it'd be one of the ones I'd push for.

On the grounds of a Pokémon reserved before Gen 9's release, Sakurai would either be following official reveals up until release and weigh all the available options by the end like he did with Gen 7, or he'd be looking at concept art well before release while things aren't completely finalized like he did with Gen 6.

Stuff from Teal Mask or Indigo Disk probably won't be playing any factor any more than stuff from Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon did.


....and I've already said my piece about if a Pokémon is to be reserved AFTER Gen 9 released, so I don't really need to repeat that point.

 

[SPEN18]

Funnily enough it's Spen who's so Eevee focused... You're both in the same boat when it comes to Incineroar at least.

I think you may be misunderstanding there? The statement was that people are discounting Eevee simply for being a gen 1 Pokemon in spite of its other merits. Not that people are overly focused on Eevee itself.

Also just saying it's not only about Eevee for me lol, that's only one of a good number of Pokes I'd like to see.

That's the thing though, his qualities don't stack up to you personally. If you don't like him, you don't like him.

You say you focused on the terminology of "objective" too much, but you're still doing it in this very post. Trying to find ways to pass off your subjective opinion as something that could be interpreted as fact based on factors that were also subjective to begin with.

It's my honest assessment of the character's merits, based on a number of factors that I think are relevant, and with the concerted effort to be reflective of where I might be biased. It's in that sense that it's attempting to be "objective," as much as is feasible, recognizing it won't be perfect. Doesn't mean there aren't also subjective factors at play in that. Obviously in any speculation of what characters ought to be added to the game there is going to be some matter of opinion, and some matter of personal bias or preference. Not everyone is going to value the qualities the same, not everyone is going to evaluate what constitutes merit the same. For some it's literally just "do I like them." That's ok.
I just think that using most of the usual metrics people apply to determine if a character would be a good addition, Incineroar falls very short, except for possibly with one single thing, being that a lot of people like his moveset. Which is one point in his favor, but it's pretty much the only remotely compelling one that's been laid out, and it's not one without dispute (largely because that sort of thing is one of the most subject to personal preference or opinion, and one that is fulfilled by much of the competition in a priority-based system as well).

People would take far less issue with your comments if you'd just left it as, "Yeah, Incinceroar just doesn't do it for me. I would've preferred "x" and here's "(wh)y."

That's what I've been doing, though? "I didn't and don't agree with the choice to make Incineroar playable, would've preferred X or Y, and here's where I think Incineroar falls short in comaprison to those other options." I get that people take issue whenever you try to put a finger on what counts as "objective" or "subjective," and it's a losing game trying to make that entirely precise. I can see where people would get defensive when you say things along the lines of "looking at it objectively, I think this choice is/was wrong." As I explained, I used that terminology to make it clear that I don't want to argue out of mere spite or anger, and that I'm trying to be fair by holding Incineroar to the same standards that I'd hold any character to in evaluation of their addition.

 

[ninjahmos]

That's it, I've had enough of this Incineroar discourse. We're going back in time to the year 2017 to stop I Choose You from happening…

That's right. We're going back in time to the year 2017 to stop I Choose You from happening…

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

That's it, I've had enough of this Incineroar discourse. We're going back in time to the year 2017 to stop I Choose You from happening…

That's right. We're going back in time to the year 2017 to stop I Choose You from happening…

That.....would do absolutely nothing.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Unfortunately I feel any of the post-release DLC Pokémon are likely to be in a bad spot. Which sucks because Bloodmoon Ursaluna is one of my favorites of the Generation and it'd be one of the ones I'd push for.

On the grounds of a Pokémon reserved before Gen 9's release, Sakurai would either be following official reveals up until release and weigh all the available options by the end like he did with Gen 7, or he'd be looking at concept art well before release while things aren't completely finalized like he did with Gen 6.

Stuff from Teal Mask or Indigo Disk probably won't be playing any factor any more than stuff from Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon did.

I agree.

I've said before though, I dunno how much I really believe that Sakurai's late 2021/early 2022 project is Smash because Smash usually has 2.5-3 years of dev time, but settling the project plan that early and then getting the team together and working on a game that would presumably come out in 2026 or 2027 would mean the game has like 3-4 years of dev time, which no Smash game has like ever done before? I think Brawl is the closest to three if I recall.

Plus Studio S was just unveiled last November, so while I can understand them making those Spirit Events earlier this year, I feel like it'd be odd to make them AFTER you start development on a brand new Smash that could just include all of those elements anyway.

I dunno, at the end of the day it's just a feeling I sorta get because this timeline sits really weirdly with me. It's possible with Tekken 8 development (even though I feel like I remember seeing that the teams didn't overlap that much) or some other factors I'm not considering, but I dunno, just seems odd to me when like, using Ultimate as an example, the project plan was finished in December 2015 and the actual development started like barely two months later.

 

[RileyXY1]

I think that Quaquaval will ultimately be the one that gets in because I think that of the starters it's the most fitting for Smash. I also think Sakurai would find promise in a dancer fighter like he did for a ninja and a pro wrestler.

 

[Guynamednelson]

(even though I feel like I remember seeing that the teams didn't overlap that much)

The base game credits have more overlap with the Ace Combat/Tales Of/Soulcalibur teams than the Tekken one, but according to Harada here:

Yeah I also hope he takes a well-deserved day off.
And, of course…the development staff at BANDAI NAMCO Studios will take a short break and return to the TEKKEN Project again ;D https://t.co/hrn0oRGjYa

— Katsuhiro Harada (@Harada_TEKKEN) October 5, 2021

The people who worked on FP2 were moved over to Tekken 8.

 

[Ivander]

That.....would do absolutely nothing.

I think that's the joke. (Since there are two I Choose You, the first Pokemon episode and then the more recent Pokemon movie).

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

The base game credits have more overlap with the Ace Combat/Tales Of/Soulcalibur teams than the Tekken one, but according to Harada here:

Yeah I also hope he takes a well-deserved day off.
And, of course…the development staff at BANDAI NAMCO Studios will take a short break and return to the TEKKEN Project again ;D https://t.co/hrn0oRGjYa

— Katsuhiro Harada (@Harada_TEKKEN) October 5, 2021

The people who worked on FP2 were moved over to Tekken 8.

Ah okay, that's what it was.

Even still, if that project plan is Smash, and Sakurai had to wait a year for a big part of his team to be together again with Tekken development, I wouldn't be surprised if there were tweaks to the plan in the interim. I mean even Smash 4's plans had tweaks mid-development (Chrom comes to mind), and since Golden mentioned USUM, the interviews said Incineroar wasn't finalized until after USUM's release, so I still feel like it could theoretically be possible, even if Ogerpon isn't necessarily the most likely possibility out of Gen 9, so I will continue to cling to hope regardless lmao

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Ah okay, that's what it was.

Even still, if that project plan is Smash, and Sakurai had to wait a year for a big part of his team to be together again with Tekken development, I wouldn't be surprised if there were tweaks to the plan in the interim. I mean even Smash 4's plans had tweaks mid-development (Chrom comes to mind), and since Golden mentioned USUM, the interviews said Incineroar wasn't finalized until after USUM's release, so I still feel like it could theoretically be possible, even if Ogerpon isn't necessarily the most likely possibility out of Gen 9, so I will continue to cling to hope regardless lmao

Pretty sure mentioning USUM was a typo in the translation as there are other translations that specify Sun and Moon instead.

Just like how Link to the Past and Link Between Worlds were getting mixed up because of their Japanese titles.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Pretty sure mentioning USUM was a typo in the translation as there are other translations that specify Sun and Moon instead.

Possibly, but even so, Teal Mask released two months before Studio S was unveiled.

I can't possibly lose if I cope hard enough!

 

[AlRex]

Yeah, it's not happening unless Nintendo bought Konami and somehow got Yugioh's trading card making division too. And even then, that's shaky because of Shounen Jump and whoever owns Yu-Gi-Oh now.
Still, with how many cards there are, I can't imagine what cards would be chosen if a Yu-Gi-Oh Pokeball-like item(probably a random Yu-Gi-Oh card held up similarly to an Assist trophy summon) happened. I mean, there are the obvious ones like Dark Magician and Blue Eyes White Dragon, but there are probably 50x the amount of cards compared to your average list of monsters/Pokemon in a monster/Pokemon catching game.

Aware of unlikelihood, but cool if it could happen. Along with Rain Man from Hanafuda. And Moriah the Thief. And Rich Uncle Pennybags. And the Queen from Chess. And the King from the playing cards. Okay, I’ll stop being silly.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

At least you aren't a Fire Emblem fan, who've been fighting these fights longer than you.

Yeah, few situations are worse than being someone who actually wanted Byleth.

It's me. I'm someone.

 

[Will]

Yeah, few situations are worse than being someone who actually wanted Byleth.

It's me. I'm someone.

You could have been insanely high on copium and believed it was gonna be one of the three House leaders because one of them is more important, or something.

It’s Claude. Claude was the most important (and UNDERSTANDABLY ROBBED!) House leader

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

You could have been insanely high on copium and believed it was gonna be one of the three House leaders because one of them is more important, or something.

It’s Claude. Claude was the most important (and UNDERSTANDABLY ROBBED!) House leader

I'm sure if I had said any house leader not named Edelgard, I'd have gotten impaled years ago