Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Shinuto]

36?! Jesus...okay.

1. Ryu Hayabusa [Ninja Gaiden]
2. Bill Rizer/Lance Bean [Contra]
3. Arthur [Ghosts ‘n Goblins]
4. Kunio/Riki [River City]
5. SV-001 Metal Slug [Metal Slug]
6. Bub/Bob [Bubble Bobble]
7. Jill Valentine [Resident Evil]
8. Morrigan [Darkstalkers]
9. Nightmare [Soulcalibur]
10. Kazuma Kiryu [Like a Dragon]
11. Nakoruru [Samurai Shodown]
12. Dante [Devil May Cry]
13. Phoenix Wright [Ace Attorney]
14. Viewtiful Joe [Viewtiful Joe]
15. Amaterasu [Okami]
16. Mike Haggar [Final Fight]
17. Strider Hiryu [Strider]
18. Goemon/Ebisumaru [Legend of the Mystical Ninja]
19. Crono [Chrono Trigger]
20. Nathan Spencer [Bionic Commando]
21. Rash/Zitz [Battletoads]
22. Bomberman [Bomberman]
23. Estelle Bright [Legend of Heroes]
24. Shantae [Shantae]
25. Geno [Super Mario RPG]
26. Master Chief [Halo]
27. Doom Slayer [Doom]
28. Captain Toad/Toadette [Treasure Tracker]
29. King Hippo [Punch-Out]
30. Bandana Waddle Dee [Kirby]
31. Firebrand [Gargoyle’s Quest]
32. Zero [Mega Man X]
33. Alucard [Castlevania]
34. Raiden [Metal Gear]
35. Chun Li [Street Fighter]
36. Mii Mage

Damn look how different ours are...

 

[Guynamednelson]

Okay it's never gonna happen but let's say we got smash ultimate booster pass like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe got and it was six total fighter pass with six characters for a total of 36 new fighters, not including any echoes, what would your list look like? In no particular order...
1. Waluigi
2. Shantae
3. Dante
4. Professor Layton
5. Phoenix Wright
6. Dr. Eggman
7. Shadow
8. KOS-MOS
9. Ayumi Tachibana
10. Doom Slayer
11. Bandanna Waddle Dee
12. Marina Liteyears
13. Goemon
14. Conker
15. Takamaru
16. Nia
17. Mio
18. Geno
19. Shovel Knight
20. Sans
21. Travis Touchdown
22. Crash Bandicoot with Coco Echo
23. Rayman
24. Isaac
25. Chibi Robo
26. 2B with A2 echo if it'll work
27. Master Chief
28. Lloyd Irving
29. DJ Octavio
30. Ashley
31. Lip
32. Monika (DDLC)
33. Akira Howard
34. Tinkaton
35. Ring Fit Trainer
36. Bomberman

My idea for how Smash would have a BCP was...to mostly reuse models and animations that already exist in Smash. You know, since the BCP was built off Mario Kart Tour tracks, and even its drivers use ported MKT animations. And last time I checked, it doesn't have models for almost half of these characters, and some it'd only have models for through Smash 4 trophies assuming Namco even still has the Smash 4 assets that didn't get into Ultimate

 

[Shinuto]

My idea for how Smash would have a BCP was...to mostly reuse models and animations that already exist in Smash. You know, since the BCP was built off Mario Kart Tour tracks, and even its drivers use ported MKT animations. And last time I checked, it doesn't have models for almost half of these characters, and some it'd only have models for through Smash 4 trophies assuming Namco even still has the Smash 4 assets that didn't get into Ultimate

That'd be lame since theres only like a handful of usable "models" already in ultimate that aren't playable.

 

[Guynamednelson]

That'd be lame since theres only like a handful of usable "models" already in ultimate that aren't playable.

Your pass has Waluigi, Isaac etc. already you know. And I'd assume they'd model proper faces for whatever Mii costumes get turned into fighters since there were still some new models made for the BCP, for example even though the new drivers have ported MKT animations, their models are all-new. Biker Pauline had to be, there are no bikes in MKT so therefore there'd be no biker suit for her.

 

[Diddy Kong]

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He's in.

A challenger approaches

 

[fogbadge]

A challenger approaches
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you kid but he's like my 3rd favourite pokemon so i'd feel the hype

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

One thing I've noticed is that every time I think to myself, "Wouldn't it be fun if there was a fighter that did X?", there is usually a Pokémon that does do X

I don't know. Ridley was one thing but making Lugia a fighter may be a harder sell.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I don't know. Ridley was one thing but making Lugia a fighter may be a harder sell.

On the other hand, Wailord would totally fit in Smash.

As a stage.

 

[SPEN18]

I don't know. Ridley was one thing but making Lugia a fighter may be a harder sell.

I think this might be like the third time I posted this

If they were somehow so inclined, I think they could make Lugia the same size as Charizard just like this

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I think this might be like the third time I posted this

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If they were somehow so inclined, I think they could make Lugia the same size as Charizard just like this

A. Was making a joke on Lugia being "Pokémon X" in its creation.

B. That size is absolutely ridiculous and they would never be inclined to make Lugia the same size as Charizard any more than they'd be inclined to add Wailord at this size.

It's like, yes they COULD do it.....but they SHOULDN'T because it looks awkward as ****.

 

[Gengar84]

Okay it's never gonna happen but let's say we got smash ultimate booster pass like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe got and it was six total fighter pass with six characters for a total of 36 new fighters, not including any echoes, what would your list look like? In no particular order...
1. Waluigi
2. Shantae
3. Dante
4. Professor Layton
5. Phoenix Wright
6. Dr. Eggman
7. Shadow
8. KOS-MOS
9. Ayumi Tachibana
10. Doom Slayer
11. Bandanna Waddle Dee
12. Marina Liteyears
13. Goemon
14. Conker
15. Takamaru
16. Nia
17. Mio
18. Geno
19. Shovel Knight
20. Sans
21. Travis Touchdown
22. Crash Bandicoot with Coco Echo
23. Rayman
24. Isaac
25. Chibi Robo
26. 2B with A2 echo if it'll work
27. Master Chief
28. Lloyd Irving
29. DJ Octavio
30. Ashley
31. Lip
32. Monika (DDLC)
33. Akira Howard
34. Tinkaton
35. Ring Fit Trainer
36. Bomberman

This sounds fun. I’m not going to put them in any particular order either since I’m posting on my phone and I’d be here all day if I kept trying to rearrange everything if I forgot something. Here we go:

1. Rash/Pimple/Zitz (Battletoads)
2. Magus (Chrono Trigger)
3. Fulgore (Killer Instinct)
4. Illidan Stormrage (WarCraft)
5. Sarah Kerrigan (StarCraft)
6. Jinx (League of Legends)
7. Lu Bu (Dynasty Warriors)
8. Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat)
9. Zero (Mega Man X)
10. Alphen and Shionne (Tales)
11. H’aanit (Octopath Traveller)
12. Bill Rizer/Lance Bean (Contra)
13. Gengar (Pokémon)
14. Goombella (Paper Mario)
15. E.M.M.I. (Metroid)
16. Officer Howard (Astral Chain)
17. Jenna Anderson (Astral Chain)
18. Medusa (Kid Icarus)
19. Nia (Xenoblade)
20. Impa (Legend of Zelda)
21. Rauru (Legend of Zelda)
22. Ryu Hyabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
23. Raziel (Soul Reaver)
24. Etna (Disgaea)
25. Joanna Dark (Perfect Dark)
26. Nightmare (Soul Calibur)
27. Princess Garnet (Final Fantasy)
28. Knuckles (Sonic the Hedgehog)
29. Bugzzy (Kirby)
30. Ogremon (Digimon)
31. Vega (Street Fighter)
32. The Black Knight (Fire Emblem)
33. Misako (River City)
34. Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong)
35. Isaac (Golden Sun)
36. Diablo (Diablo)

I’m sure I forgot a ton of characters. I could basically keep going all day since there’s so many characters I’d love to see in Smash.

 

[Guynamednelson]

This sounds fun. I’m not going to put them in any particular order either since I’m posting on my phone and I’d be here all day if I kept trying to rearrange everything if I forgot something. Here we go:

1. Rash/Pimple/Zitz (Battletoads)
2. Magus (Chrono Trigger)
3. Fulgore (Killer Instinct)
4. Illidan Stormrage (WarCraft)
5. Sarah Kerrigan (StarCraft)
6. Jinx (League of Legends)
7. Lu Bu (Dynasty Warriors)
8. Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat)
9. Zero (Mega Man X)
10. Alphen and Shionne (Tales)
11. H’aanit (Octopath Traveller)
12. Bill Rizer/Lance Bean (Contra)
13. Gengar (Pokémon)
14. Goombella (Paper Mario)
15. E.M.M.I. (Metroid)
16. Officer Howard (Astral Chain)
17. Jenna Anderson (Astral Chain)
18. Medusa (Kid Icarus)
19. Nia (Xenoblade)
20. Impa (Legend of Zelda)
21. Rauru (Legend of Zelda)
22. Ryu Hyabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
23. Raziel (Soul Reaver)
24. Etna (Disgaea)
25. Joanna Dark (Perfect Dark)
26. Nightmare (Soul Calibur)
27. Princess Garnet (Final Fantasy)
28. Knuckles (Sonic the Hedgehog)
29. Bugzzy (Kirby)
30. Ogremon (Digimon)
31. Vega (Street Fighter)
32. The Black Knight (Fire Emblem)
33. Misako (River City)
34. Gaige (Borderlands)
35. Isaac (Golden Sun)
36. Diablo (Diablo)

I’m sure I forgot a ton of characters. I could basically keep going all day since there’s so many characters I’d love to see in Smash.

...I don't mean to go "hey you know da bee see pee was made out of reused assets" over and over, but without the limit of seeing how they could make fighters out of assets already in Smash, this is making me think this is just yet another excuse to post your most wanted over and over.

I mean sure it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but if we're getting a DLC pass that adds 36 characters to the game...you know they'd have to make a lot of compromises. I was just going to assume a Booster Fighter Pass would only have half that, frankly.

 

[Gengar84]

...I don't mean to go "hey you know da bee see pee was made out of reused assets" over and over, but without the limit of seeing how they could make fighters out of assets already in Smash, this is making me think this is just yet another excuse to post your most wanted over and over.

I mean sure it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but if we're getting a DLC pass that adds 36 characters to the game...you know they'd have to make a lot of compromises. I was just going to assume a Booster Fighter Pass would only have half that, frankly.

I never said my list was trying to be realistic, just what I’d be personally most excited for. Any particular reason you quoted my post instead of Shinuto’s? I was just following his guidelines of no echoes.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Any particular reason you quoted my post instead of Shinuto’s?

I already quoted his, and I was just observing how people's lists were just...characters they wanted anyway. Like you need the premise of imagining an extremely unrealistic pass to list characters you want.

 

[fogbadge]

I already quoted his, and I was just observing how people's lists were just...characters they wanted anyway. Like you need the premise of imagining an extremely unrealistic pass to list characters you want.

it’s just a game

 

[Guynamednelson]

it’s just a game

I guess.

But we pretty much have the "list your most wanted" game every two weeks, and it's the same people wanting the same characters anyway.

 

[RouffWestie]

Okay it's never gonna happen but let's say we got smash ultimate booster pass like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe got and it was six total fighter pass with six characters for a total of 36 new fighters, not including any echoes, what would your list look like? In no particular order...

1. N64 Mario
2. Odyssey Mario
3. Strikers Mario
4. CD-I Mario
5. Top-Hat Mario (Game & Watch Gallery 3)
6. Movie Mario
7. Movie Mario (1993)
8. Cartoon Link
9. CD-I Link
10. Fake Link
11. Black Yoshi as a standalone character
12. Dixie Normus
13. Ruby Spears Mega Man
14. Megaman 8 Dr. Light
15. Kairi (Kingdom Hearts)
16. Kari (Digimon)
17. Teen Kari (Digimon Tamers)
18. King Ramses from Courage Cowardly Dog (lol return the slaaab)
19. Norville "Shaggy" Rogers
20. The Iron Giant
21. Super Nintendo Chalmers
22. All 11 cut characters from NASB1 as a single 11-in-1 fighter
23. Gandalf the Grey
24. Gandalf the White
25. Monty Python
26. Fulgore (Killer Instinct)
27. Me
28. My Men
29. Dr. Pavel here
30. Only one of you
31. Gohan Calvo
32. El Hermano
33. Jojo Siwa
34. Dark Jojo Siwa
35. Krusha (DKC)
36. Dark Krusha (he's like an evil ****ed up version of Krusha who appears in dkc3 hacks by Youtuber ma ryu)

 

[smashkirby]

I'm not so sure about that because Sakurai said Smash 3DS made Pokemon Trainer basically impossible to implement, alongside the Ice Climbers not working properly and the separation of characters like Zelda/Sheik and Samus/ZSS.

I'm of the opinion that without those limitations, Pokemon Trainer will probably keep coming back in full from this point on.

Pretty much had the same thought, honestly. Personally, it always felt to me like Sakurai felt like he was pulling teeth over the very IDEA of having to remove the Ice Climbers in particular from Smash 4.

With little-to-no hardware limitations, they (alongside the Pokemon Trainers and potentially Pyra/Mythra) won't be going anywhere.

Speaking of Pyra and Mythra and the hardware limitations thing, I've been wondering something for a while... how would you all feel if Rex WAS eventually added to Smash Bros., BUT he was instead paired with Pneuma (to sort of 'salvage' his Rex w/ Pyra and Mythra concept)?

I've been sitting on this thought for a bit and I've been wondering what the possibility of Akira Yuki from Virtua Fighter sliding his way into the next game might be like. VF's legacy in Japan is very much not to be understated, and clearly Sakurai sees it important and notable enough to warrant a fairly recognizable role in the game with the assist trophy, one that when compared with the other third-party assist from non-playable franchises (Bomberman, Rathalos, Shovel Knight, and Yuri Kozukata) feels the most out of place by having the least association with Nintendo (not that it entirely matters but I find it an interesting observation amongst those assists). In fact, I believe the only VF title to ever release on a Nintendo console has been Virtua Quest, which is a strange little spin-off game so far removed from main VF (Akira has of course appeared a few times in other games on Nintendo platforms though). EDIT: I just remembered that the Genesis version of VF2 is included on one of the collections and is on Switch, so there's that I guess.

With the series having some spark put into it with rereleases like VF5 Ultimate Showdown and VF3tb Online, and rumors of VF6 being in development, I wonder if there's a chance Sakurai may decide to give himself a rare "this one's for me" inclusion (because Akira definitely ain't gonna be for the Smash audience), because clearly he views the series as being important.

I dunno, just spewing thoughts. Not something I think is all that likely at all but VF's notable representation in Ultimate has always had me thinking about the possibility of it going all the way.

I kid you not, the idea of Virtua Fighter getting PLAYABLE representation in Smash legit crossed my mind just yesterday, and it made me wonder... what would you all think about Smash "pulling an ARMS" on us with V.F. and having them add someone like Sarah Bryant as a playable character instead of Akira Yuki (who, in this scenario would still be an A.T.)?

I guess, appearance-wise, there might be SOME overlap with Zero Suit Samus, but THAT aside? I don't think Sarah would be the WORST inclusion they could come up with.

(Funny thing is... between Z.S.S. being revealed for Brawl at E3 2006 and V.F. 5 being released later that same year, I legit wondered for a brief while if Samus (or Sarah) had somehow jumped between games. For the record, I was 9 years old at the time and guest characters in video games were a new concept to me. Heck, I didn't even understand the hype over Snake joining Brawl at first...)

Yeah. Shield Breaker has an additional damage multiplier if it lands a headshot.

Really???

And just like that, Shield Breaker suddenly being 'angle-able' in Smash Ultimate FINALLY makes sense to me.

 

[Gengar84]

I guess.

But we pretty much have the "list your most wanted" game every two weeks, and it's the same people wanting the same characters anyway.

Fair enough. I don’t usually have an excuse to extend my list to 36 newcomers though. 36 newcomers is unrealistic already and the game specifically mentioned “not counting echoes”.

Anyway, I realized I completely forgot to include Dixie Kong so I’ve got to go back and fix that.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I kid you not, the idea of Virtua Fighter getting PLAYABLE representation in Smash legit crossed my mind just yesterday, and it made me wonder... what would you all think about Smash "pulling an ARMS" on us with V.F. and having them add someone like Sarah Bryant as a playable character instead of Akira Yuki (who, in this scenario would still be an A.T.)?

I think the Min Min to Akira's Spring Man in this case would be Jacky, and not just because he also got a Mii costume.

Jacky Wig + Outfit now available for purchase! - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

This says "If you set the up special to be Soaring Axe Kick, you can feel like you are unleashing Jacky's Somersault Kick!" Key word: up special. With the way VF's gameplay works, there'd be barely any moves across the cast that work as up-Bs. Meanwhile here Nintendo is admitting Jacky already has a potential up-B that works for him in the game.

 

[YeppersPeppers]

I think the Min Min to Akira's Spring Man in this case would be Jacky, and not just because he also got a Mii costume.

Jacky Wig + Outfit now available for purchase! - Super Smash Bros. Ultimate

This says "If you set the up special to be Soaring Axe Kick, you can feel like you are unleashing Jacky's Somersault Kick!" Key word: up special. With the way VF's gameplay works, there'd be barely any moves across the cast that work as up-Bs. Meanwhile here Nintendo is admitting Jacky already has a potential up-B that works for him in the game.

To be fair, Akira also has a move that would lend itself to up-special: Utankyaku -> Renkantai. While normally a forward input move, the nature of the attack (a slightly up-lifting double kick) can definitely be worked into an up-special. Just have it act as it does in VF proper while grounded and give it a bit more height in the air. Done.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I think the Min Min to Akira's Spring Man in this case would be Jacky, and not just because he also got a Mii costume.

I thought this too but less because I know anything about Virtua Fighter (I don't), and mostly because they paired up in the original Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing lol

 

[Speed Weed]

I thought this too but less because I know anything about Virtua Fighter (I don't), and mostly because they paired up in the original Sonic and Sega All-Stars Racing lol

For what it's worth, the reason they were paired up in that game is because Jacky is canonically a racecar driver in-universe, so he's the driver there too and has Akira tagging along as the main character. Though even without that, he's one of the most popular characters in the series so he's as good a pick as any

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

So question about the Nintendo Museum that I'm thinking about now: They mentioned the cases of games and the screens they showed off in the Direct would display games they published, and people have found games like Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, but since the museum is in Japan, do you guys think they'd display games they published just in that region? Mainly asking because of cases like Rayman Legends and Shovel Knight (I think) being published by Nintendo solely in Japan, at least for their own systems.

As an extra bit to this, do you think the Bayonetta games would be there since Nintendo literally funded Bayonetta 2 and 3?

 

[RodNutTakin]

Oh man I actually missed the Nintendo Museum direct. Is it quite literally just a real museum and that's it? A small part of me was hoping it would be like a playable archive of Nintendo's oldest games or something (their arcade lineup up to 1984's Super Punch-Out, some Game & Watch handhelds, the Color TV-Game lineage), but I guess the Arcade Archives stuff would get in the way of that.

 

[HyperSomari64]

So question about the Nintendo Museum that I'm thinking about now: They mentioned the cases of games and the screens they showed off in the Direct would display games they published, and people have found games like Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, but since the museum is in Japan, do you guys think they'd display games they published just in that region? Mainly asking because of cases like Rayman Legends and Shovel Knight (I think) being published by Nintendo solely in Japan, at least for their own systems.

As an extra bit to this, do you think the Bayonetta games would be there since Nintendo literally funded Bayonetta 2 and 3?

Spoiler: Images

Found Bayo³

Source:

Spoiler: EDIT:

Bayo² found

 

[DarthEnderX]

Damn look how different ours are...

I wouldn't know. I can't see your list, cause there's no Hayabusa on it.

1. Rash/Pimple/Zitz (Battletoads)
2. Magus (Chrono Trigger)
3. Fulgore (Killer Instinct)
4. Illidan Stormrage (WarCraft)
5. Sarah Kerrigan (StarCraft)
6. Jinx (League of Legends)
7. Lu Bu (Dynasty Warriors)
8. Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat)
9. Zero (Mega Man X)
10. Alphen and Shionne (Tales)
11. H’aanit (Octopath Traveller)
12. Bill Rizer/Lance Bean (Contra)
13. Gengar (Pokémon)
14. Goombella (Paper Mario)
15. E.M.M.I. (Metroid)
16. Officer Howard (Astral Chain)
17. Jenna Anderson (Astral Chain)
18. Medusa (Kid Icarus)
19. Nia (Xenoblade)
20. Impa (Legend of Zelda)
21. Rauru (Legend of Zelda)
22. Ryu Hyabusa (Ninja Gaiden)
23. Raziel (Soul Reaver)
24. Etna (Disgaea)
25. Joanna Dark (Perfect Dark)
26. Nightmare (Soul Calibur)
27. Princess Garnet (Final Fantasy)
28. Knuckles (Sonic the Hedgehog)
29. Bugzzy (Kirby)
30. Ogremon (Digimon)
31. Vega (Street Fighter)
32. The Black Knight (Fire Emblem)
33. Misako (River City)
34. Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong)
35. Isaac (Golden Sun)
36. Diablo (Diablo)

Excellent.

But we pretty much have the "list your most wanted" game every two weeks, and it's the same people wanting the same characters anyway.

I've never had to go up to 36 before. My personal wishlist stops at 30.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Oh man I actually missed the Nintendo Museum direct. Is it quite literally just a real museum and that's it? A small part of me was hoping it would be like a playable archive of Nintendo's oldest games or something (their arcade lineup up to 1984's Super Punch-Out, some Game & Watch handhelds, the Color TV-Game lineage), but I guess the Arcade Archives stuff would get in the way of that.

Kind of? It definitely has stuff from throughout their history, but it's less of like a history lesson and more a big showcase of the stuff they've made? Like all of the pre-video game stuff is in a big case together like light guns and a baby stroller and a ton of other stuff, but there's no like plaque or written bits about any of it? It's more of a big showcase and a family experience thing with some experiences to play within, like a light gun game using replicas of the NES Zapper and Super Scope and a batting cage using the Ultra Machine (which is admittedly very cool).

Still neat, but I do wish there was some cool information strewn about on plaques and some older stuff that maybe the public has never seen before like dev kits or prototypes or unreleased games, which they could still do (they said they only really showed off a fraction of it), but yeah.

It is a physical building though in Kyoto, Miyamoto said it was built on the site of a factory that Nintendo themselves used to use for products up into the Famicom era and he'd even been there a few times, so the location was nostalgic to him.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yo mods, is a general move set revamp ideas thread allowed on here?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Okay. The write up is done. The visual aides are taking a lot longer than expected and they're having some slight technical issues.

So uh... I'm going to use this as a test to see if the technical issues are fixed.

If not, ignore. If it works, do with the information as you may. You should expect nearly every franchise to have something similar.

Spoiler: ???

EDIT: Oh goodie it works!

 

[Noipoi]

Okay. The write up is done. The visual aides are taking a lot longer than expected and they're having some slight technical issues.

So uh... I'm going to use this as a test to see if the technical issues are fixed.

If not, ignore. If it works, do with the information as you may. You should expect nearly every franchise to have something similar.

Spoiler: ???

EDIT: Oh goodie it works!

The top 5 is all Mario characters, huh? We’re really hooked on the brothers.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

The top 5 is all Mario characters, huh? We’re really hooked on the brothers.

Nah, that's just the top five for the Super Mario franchise.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Not a too surprising list to be honest. I could see them being overall top 5 too, but yeah, nice to see tangible results!

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Not a too surprising list to be honest. I could see them being overall top 5 too, but yeah, nice to see tangible results!

Only one of those is even close to the top twenty.

 

[Noipoi]

Nah, that's just the top five for the Super Mario franchise.

In my defense I am very sleepy

 

[Diddy Kong]

Okay it's never gonna happen but let's say we got smash ultimate booster pass like Mario Kart 8 Deluxe got and it was six total fighter pass with six characters for a total of 36 new fighters, not including any echoes, what would your list look like? In no particular order...
1. Waluigi
2. Shantae
3. Dante
4. Professor Layton
5. Phoenix Wright
6. Dr. Eggman
7. Shadow
8. KOS-MOS
9. Ayumi Tachibana
10. Doom Slayer
11. Bandanna Waddle Dee
12. Marina Liteyears
13. Goemon
14. Conker
15. Takamaru
16. Nia
17. Mio
18. Geno
19. Shovel Knight
20. Sans
21. Travis Touchdown
22. Crash Bandicoot with Coco Echo
23. Rayman
24. Isaac
25. Chibi Robo
26. 2B with A2 echo if it'll work
27. Master Chief
28. Lloyd Irving
29. DJ Octavio
30. Ashley
31. Lip
32. Monika (DDLC)
33. Akira Howard
34. Tinkaton
35. Ring Fit Trainer
36. Bomberman

Cool let's go !

1. Dixie Kong
2. Funky Kong
3. Cranky Kong
4. Impa
5. Ganon
6. Toad
7. Geno
8. Waluigi
9. Isaac
10. Monster Hunter
11. Knuckles
12. Lyn
13. Garchomp
14. Noah + Mio
15. Rex (XBC3 DLC style)
16. Raven Beak
17. Amaterasu
18. Rayman
19. Scorpion
20. Chun Li
21. Ring Fit Trainer
22. Tom Nook
23. Skull Kid
24. Sidon
25. Urbosa
26. Paper Mario
27. Bandana Dee
28. Alear
29. Takamaru
30. Balloon Fighter
31. Octoling/ Splatoon character
32. Lloyd Irving / other protagonist from Tales
33. 2B
34. Conker
35. Bomberman
36. The Battletoads

 

[Borskaboska]

To be fair, Akira also has a move that would lend itself to up-special: Utankyaku -> Renkantai. While normally a forward input move, the nature of the attack (a slightly up-lifting double kick) can definitely be worked into an up-special. Just have it act as it does in VF proper while grounded and give it a bit more height in the air. Done.

I had been working on-off on a hypothetical sega roster inspired by the sega smash thread, and I think if you need a vf character that can fit in smash besides akira, Dural would work pretty well. In the cutscenes and pre/post match animations she flies around and melts into liquid metal, I feel like you could give her a cool moveset based on that that feels like something she 'could' do. Like she could have a move based on Twelve's XNDL super in third strike.

 

[osby]

I had been working on-off on a hypothetical sega roster inspired by the sega smash thread, and I think if you need a vf character that can fit in smash besides akira, Dural would work pretty well. In the cutscenes and pre/post match animations she flies around and melts into liquid metal, I feel like you could give her a cool moveset based on that that feels like something she 'could' do. Like she could have a move based on Twelve's XNDL super in third strike.

I think the problem with that would be how it takes her moveset in the opposite direction of what VF is known for (relatively realistic martial arts).

There's also the fact that Dural has like, no personality, even by Virtua Fighter standards.

 

[Borskaboska]

...I don't mean to go "hey you know da bee see pee was made out of reused assets" over and over, but without the limit of seeing how they could make fighters out of assets already in Smash, this is making me think this is just yet another excuse to post your most wanted over and over.

I mean sure it may not be everyone's cup of tea, but if we're getting a DLC pass that adds 36 characters to the game...you know they'd have to make a lot of compromises. I was just going to assume a Booster Fighter Pass would only have half that, frankly.

I mean I don't think to replicate the character pass you need to stick to models from Smash specifically, but maybe just characters who have high quality models on the switch in general. Like how puff in Smash 3DS used her model from x/y.
I think it'd be interesting to try to pick characters who have high quality models that can already be used (whether or not it's a smash model). So here's my "Smash Ultimate Fighter Pass: Budget Edition", along with where the model would be taken from. Aditionally, if nintendo has to pay for 3rd parties or do renegotiations, I doubt they would get into a budget pass so im leaving them out. Sorry bomberman fans

The obvious ones:
1. Waluigi (Smash Assist Trophy)
2. Isaac (Smash Assist Trophy)
3. Alucard (Smash Assist Trophy)
4. Ashley (Smash Assist Trophy)
5. Black Knight (Smash Assist Trophy)
6. Dillon (Smash Assist Trophy)
7. Skull Kid (Smash Assist Trophy)
8. Girahim (Smash Assist Trophy)
9. Lyn (Smash Assist Trophy)
10. Midna (Smash Assist Trophy)
11. Takamaru (Smash Assist Trophy)

Updating Assist Trophies is the easiest option, and it's probably something that would only be done if they were specifically going for the budget option. Ironically, despite being the easiest ones to add they would probably also be the most fan favorite because assist trophies are picked based on popularity. The rest of the pass characters will have models from other switch games.

12. Pauline (Super Mario Odyssey) (Yeah she gets into TWO character passes)
13. Sidon (Zelda Tears of the Kingdom)
14. Captain Toad (Super Mario Odyssey)
15. Paper Mario (Thousand Year Door Remake)
16. Oatchi (Pikmin 4)
17. Alear (FE Engage)
18. Mia (XBC3)
19. Magalor (Return to Dreamland Deluxe)
20. Bandana Waddle Dee (Return to Dreamland Deluxe)
21. Guardevior (Scarlet and Violet)
22. Meowscarada (scarlet and Violet)
23. Howard (Astral Chain)
24. Ashley Robbins (Another Code Recolections)
25. Edlegard (Three Houses)
26. Claude (Three Houses)
27. Dimitri (Three Houses)
28. Niah (XBC2)
29. Raven Beak (Metroid Dread)
30. Marina (Splatoon 2)
31. Hisuian Zoroark (Pokemon Legends)
32. Ring Fit Trainee (Ring Fit)
36. Tinkaton (Scarlet and Violet)

As you might be able to tell i was running out of steam a little at the end. honestly 36 is a lot and if they actually did this it would be garbage.

 

[fogbadge]

Okay. The write up is done. The visual aides are taking a lot longer than expected and they're having some slight technical issues.

So uh... I'm going to use this as a test to see if the technical issues are fixed.

If not, ignore. If it works, do with the information as you may. You should expect nearly every franchise to have something similar.

Spoiler: ???

EDIT: Oh goodie it works!

hmm. yay. but did you have to use the movie version