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Pokemon debuted on the Game Boy, and also was on the GBA. I don't know if any others are missing, though.
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So if we're including costume swaps, then if we put in Ray from Custom Robo into Smash and make X-Ray, Ray 01 and Ray MKIII costumes for Ray, we'll get an extra N64, Gamecube, GBA and NDS Rep.A bit of a fun fact to add to Swamp's post: If you include character swap costumes then the Wii U and GBA's situation slightly improves as they getand
respectively. The DS however still remains at one as Lucario is the only character, costume or not, that debuted on the console.
You know the DS' situation is dire if the Wii U is beating it.
Tetris debuted on the gameboy right? Correct me if I am wrong.Just out of curiocity, I tried to make a list of franchises that appeared on the Game Boy and it's sequels just to see how it shakes out for characters and here's what I came up with (Bold is, to my knowledge, a series debut):Obviously the big franchises (Pokémon, Kirby, Mario, etc.) got characters, and from day one. WarioWare is the only series that debuted on these consoles that got a character. Golden Sun, Kururin, Drill Dozer, and The Legendary Starfy all got Assist Trophies in Super Smash Bros. Brawl (likely because they were still fairly fresh), but Isaac and Starfy are the only characters that have stuck around till today, and Isaac was even cut once.
Game Boy Game Boy Color Game Bow Advance Pokémon Super Mario Super Mario Kirby The Legend of Zelda Yoshi Advance Wars Pokémon Magical Starsign Super Mario Wario Land/WarioWare Earthbound The Legend of Zelda Card Hero Golden Sun Donkey Kong Balloon Fight Kururin Sports Donkey Kong Kirby F-1 Race Game & Watch Drill Dozer Metroid Advance Wars Wario Land/WarioWare Fire Emblem Alleyway Wario Land/WarioWare Solar Striker F-Zero Balloon Fight Donkey Kong Radar Mission Excitebike Game & Watch Ice Climber Kid Icarus Metroid Mole Mania Balloon Fight Wave Race Clu Clu Land Yoshi Kid Icarus Shin Onigashima Rhythm Heaven Custom Robo The Legendary Starfy
I'm not really sure I have any opinion on this. It's just interesting.
This is why Ace Attorney should join smashThis is probably an extremely unpopular opinion, but if I had the chance, I would've added Starfy in Lucas's place for Brawl.
Come to think of it, it's kind of messed up that, not counting Zero Suit Samus (who I don't think will be around much longer if cuts come back), the only GBA debuts in the entire Smash series have been derivatives of other fighters. Roy has the excuse of being a last-minute bonus addition, but it's crazy that Lucas has consistently outprioritized several other GBA debuts like Advance Wars, Golden Sun, and Starfy (and also Rhythm Tengoku, but that game was a year away when Brawl's roster was finalized). All those other series continued past the GBA, some would have worldwide releases as well, and yet the Japanese-only intended conclusion to Itoi's series won out both for Brawl and for 3DS/Wii U.
I am aware that Sakurai didn't know Mother 3 was intended to be Japan-only back in late 2005, but I'd still imagine he would be aware that Itoi intended to move on from Mother after it was done.
Seeing this layed out makes me want to see what characters could be added from each console to get them to match the 3DS's count.Honestly, I don't even thinkare bad choices for the GBA.
It's just that there should be a lot more GBA characters. The GBA was a time where so many new franchises found life. To have our only GBA characters be from already existing series is a bit sad. But, that's not a bad number honestly.
Aside from the NES and SNES and N64, who have dozens of characters, most recent consoles only have a handful of characters that debut from them.
GBA:
NGC:
DS:
Wii:
3DS:
Wii U:
Switch:
Most only have a few, and the 3DS has an almost unnatural amount.
The DS absolutely got it worst though. Pooris all alone and the DS is a hugely successful console. The Wii U may suffer a similar fate with
but at least that console is widely known to be a failure.
I mean, it started as a Soviet computer game.Tetris debuted on the gameboy right? Correct me if I am wrong.
Of course, that honestly makes me realize how Ness could've easily been left behind if Smash was done by any other Nintendo devteam besides probably Game Freak or APE itself. Crazy, that.
Not that this invalidates the general points being made here, but one very important bit of context that I feel goes unsaid oftentimes is that, while certainly not as big as other Nintendo properties of the time, Mother was already a very popular and well-respected series in Japan. IMO there's more to its heavy presence in Smash than HAL having made the games, and I honestly can see Sakurai going for a pick like that from a series that already had plenty of acclaim to its name and was headed by a very famous figure - even if, again, it wasn't as big or consistent as others.Well, to be fair, my conversation started with me talking about what I would've done differently with Brawl. I get the angle of doing it to honor Itoi for wrapping up a series the way he wanted, I guess it just feels strange since Lucas is the odd one out amongst Smash's "picked before their game came out" lineup, being from a series that was still pretty underground back in the early 00s, compared to Fire Emblem, which was a consistent trucker in Japan, and...well, Pokemon. Though I do feel that I can still comment on how it was a bit strange that Sakurai was intending to outright replace Ness with him in Melee, since there is no indication that anyone else in 64 was also drafted to be cycled out for someone new. Not even Jigglypuff, who I could have seen being replaced with, say, Marill or Meowth.
Eleven technically did debut on Nintendo hardware as the 3DS version of DQXI released simultaneously with the PS4 version in Japan.Just for fun, here are the third party characters who debuted on Nintendo consoles...
That's it. All the rest debuted on other hardware.
Really puts things into perspective. A lot of these characters with strong Nintendo connections didn't get them on their first debut.
I will make that correction then.Eleven technically did debut on Nintendo hardware as the 3DS version of DQXI released simultaneously with the PS4 version in Japan.
Thank you. I want to get as many unique results as possible. So far, we have 23 voters and considering its the middle of the night in the USA and the poll was released at night, I think that's pretty good.I did fill in the poll btw. Nice initiative !
I filled it out! Excited to see what the results look like.Okay everyone! Good news.
I have created a massive poll for first party newcomers! I have been working on this or months and I would love for you to give your opinions. Be warned, its kind of long.
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I'll fill it in. hope i don't skew your results to muchOkay everyone! Good news.
I have created a massive poll for first party newcomers! I have been working on this or months and I would love for you to give your opinions. Be warned, its kind of long.
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And here is a thread with more info. Please visit that too! I'll need volunteers to help spread this thing. I'm hoping for 500 unique voters.
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I fill the poll and I appreciate your effort.Okay everyone! Good news.
I have created a massive poll for first party newcomers! I have been working on this or months and I would love for you to give your opinions. Be warned, its kind of long.
Here is the poll!
And here is a thread with more info. Please visit that too! I'll need volunteers to help spread this thing. I'm hoping for 500 unique voters.
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Without fact checking myself, I'm fairly certain it's on the NES, but I should have specified I was only looking at Nintendo franchises, and Tetris definitely isn't that.Tetris debuted on the gameboy right? Correct me if I am wrong.
In terms of actually playing Tetris, it started on various computers (the Electronika 60 in Russia, IBM PC in various other regions, numerous home computers in Britain), the arcades (Sega and Atari Games versions) and then the first home console version with the Famicom in 1988. Game Boy was the first portable variation though.Tetris debuted on the gameboy right? Correct me if I am wrong.
Submitted my stance on the poll. I actually had extreme difficulty discovering what characters were missing, because you covered so much ground! The only omissions I could find that were notable all happened to be Pokémon. The oddest of those exclusions was Espeon, mostly in the presence of Umbreon; but I also prefer the latter to the former, so it's more an observation than it is a complaint. Well done!Okay everyone! Good news.
I have created a massive poll for first party newcomers! I have been working on this or months and I would love for you to give your opinions. Be warned, its kind of long.
Here is the poll!
And here is a thread with more info. Please visit that too! I'll need volunteers to help spread this thing. I'm hoping for 500 unique voters.
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well there is something for you its not official smash but stillI'm being unironic when I say Smash should add Nokia Snake.
The game had sequels, there is moveset potential.
Mega Man is tied with Fire Emblem for my favourite video game franchise of all time and X is my favourite game character of all time, so I ****ing lost it in the best way possible when we were first shown that final smash over a decade ago. You can just feel the love that Sakurai and the Smash team have for Mega Man's legacy. They really went the extra mile to make the other Mega Men look like full fighters. Smash for Wii U is still the best X has looked in any game, IMO.Regardless of who ends up added/kept for the next game, I hope Mega Man stays around even if for no reason other than to get yet another shot of Mega Man's final smash in one of the next game's big hype trailers.
It's better every time. And I haven't even played a Mega Man game.
I think Ryu is also likely to come back for the same reasons. Considering how many crossovers he's involved with it's probably very easy to get the rights to Street Fighter. Also Pac-Man, because his creators are the ones developing the game in the first place.Mega Man is tied with Fire Emblem for my favourite video game franchise of all time and X is my favourite game character of all time, so I ****ing lost it in the best way possible when we were first shown that final smash over a decade ago. You can just feel the love that Sakurai and the Smash team have for Mega Man's legacy. They really went the extra mile to make the other Mega Men look like full fighters. Smash for Wii U is still the best X has looked in any game, IMO.
I really think Mega Man is the most likely third party after Sonic simply because of how liberal Capcom is with their licensing of Mega Man in Smash. Between the amount of music, assist trophies, spirits, character cameos, and the general attention to detail that Mega Man gets, it's clear that both Capcom and Sakurai really like having Mega Man in Smash. Capcom letting Ridley murder Mega Man is emblematic of how they are willing to play ball in a way that most licensors aren't with their IPs. He's not going anywhere. I also think X and Zero are more likely than a lot of people give them credit for.
There's this weird conception that Capcom hates Mega Man and treats it as a red-headed stepchild that was never popular. In reality, Capcom's relationship with Mega Man is a lot more complicated. Franchises that are actively hated by their corporate owners don't get frequent re-releases, crossover DLC, merchandise, and corporate mascot status. It more comes down to the C-suite not knowing how to manage a franchise with so many sub-series and internal developers being intimidated by the standard of quality that comes with the Mega Man name. Inafune is a narcissist who is quick to take credit for other's work, but his real talent was being able to manage a brand with such a fractured identity.
While this doesn't mean Namco isn't still helping, it does look like they're forming a dedicated team for Super Smash Bros. I don't think it hurts Pac-Man's chances either way, but it is worth noting.I think Ryu is also likely to come back for the same reasons. Considering how many crossovers he's involved with it's probably very easy to get the rights to Street Fighter. Also Pac-Man, because his creators are the ones developing the game in the first place.
I agree with this. You could add Bayonetta to this because Platinum is very easy to work with generally and Nintendo already owns IP for Bayonetta 2 and 3. It's just a matter of licensing Bayonetta 1 and the character herself.I think Ryu is also likely to come back for the same reasons. Considering how many crossovers he's involved with it's probably very easy to get the rights to Street Fighter. Also Pac-Man, because his creators are the ones developing the game in the first place.
There are three Capcom characters in Smash right now. Even you wanted to add another Capcom fighter on top of that, that's four characters in a roster of at least. It'd take a massive overhauling of Smash itself or Capcom's representation in Smash (e.g. we get 3 Capcom newcomers) for Mega Man or Ryu to be at any real risk.As far as the Capcom characters, my main thing is just roster space. I dunno where priorities lie and which Capcom characters are going to be more of a priority.
I'm hoping there would be character conversations in the next single player campaign mode, which I believe will be like NASB2's.You know what would be a cool character conversation? Fox and Captain Falcon discussing James McCloud. Captain Falcon asks about potential relations due to both having the same last name and sporting similar looks, and from there they have an earnest conversation about the characters before slowly realizing that they're talking about two different people.
For Smash, I'd probably end the conversation on that joke, but in a larger story you could extend it to cover multiversal topics like characters that appear in multiple universes and how cool or weird that is.
Im sure Megaman will be like Sonic in that he's just going to be a part of smash from now on.Regardless of who ends up added/kept for the next game, I hope Mega Man stays around even if for no reason other than to get yet another shot of Mega Man's final smash in one of the next game's big hype trailers.
It's better every time. And I haven't even played a Mega Man game.
I'd go as far as saying Ryu is likely to be a permanent mainstay for Smash since he represents the genre Smash spun off from and is a unique archetype in Smash. Not only that he and Chun-Li are two of Capcom's main crossover representatives.I think Ryu is also likely to come back for the same reasons. Considering how many crossovers he's involved with it's probably very easy to get the rights to Street Fighter. Also Pac-Man, because his creators are the ones developing the game in the first place.
'...we don't have an "official" mascot. We have a logo, that’s it.[…]'
-Seth Killian, Capcom-Unity forums
2009
The living GameBoySo basically everyone from Captain N made it into Smash finally. Or are we missing any that showed up once (remember the elecman episode well he was an AT!)
There was a ninja in a city at one point in the show, like a certain Tecmo game that came out that same year:So basically everyone from Captain N made it into Smash finally. Or are we missing any that showed up once (remember the elecman episode well he was an AT!)
Yes please! Someone else here wants a Super Scope but I forgor whoThe living GameBoy