HyperSomari64
Smash Master
Smash 64 is the ape ancestor, and Ultimate is the Homosapiens. A simple analogy
(Sorry if that sounds stupid)
(Sorry if that sounds stupid)
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I'm just not sure how the legal implications work, because I feel like they could maybe get away with a Mii Costume if they did the whole "Super Smash Bros. X Scorpion" thing or whoever they'd use for it, but to add a playable character with a trailer, multiple collectibles, music, and the series they're from being referenced all over the place, if it's still banned in Japan I don't know if they'd be allowed to, since the series they're from is banned, and it might be more trouble than it's worth to jump all the legal hurdles.MK is a big fighting game in the west, Japan is kinda familiar with some MK characters that appear in injustice and the movie of Mortal kombat. Like you said the ban could be factor against them to put an MK character in smash but I hope it's not the case.
I don't think we can count Tales of as lower tier. It's one of Namco's flagship titles.Imagine if we just start getting lower tier Japanese franchises ala King of fighters instead lmao.
Like Digimon, Klonoa, Super robot wars, Tales Of, Ace Attorney. It would be funny to watch people complain about weeb garbage infesting Nintendo.
While they can add characters from Western series like some of the ones you mentioned (I'd rather leave out GTA, though), there are still plenty of characters from major Japanese series that can still be added too.I think the next Smash will have a few more western characters. At this point most of the really big japanese stuff is already in Smash, like the only ones that I think really feel missing are Capcom's biggest hits and Dark Souls/Elden Ring/From Software's works in general.
On the other front you have Doom, Halo, Mortal Kombat, Assassin's Creed, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, GTA, Red Dead Redemption, Crash, Bioshock... Those are all really big franchises that would bring a ton of attention to their inclusion in Smash. Then there's slightly less popular stuff that still resonates with Nintendo fans and would be well received, like Rayman or the rest of Rare's catalogue. And that's not even counting the indie sphere. Undertale, Hollow Knight, Shantae... Those games are popular.
It just feels like a natural evolution.
They'll probably do a bit of both.Imagine if we just start getting lower tier Japanese franchises ala King of fighters instead lmao.
Like Digimon, Klonoa, Super robot wars, Tales Of, Ace Attorney. It would be funny to watch people complain about weeb garbage infesting Nintendo.
I think the next Smash will have a few more western characters. At this point most of the really big japanese stuff is already in Smash, like the only ones that I think really feel missing are Capcom's biggest hits and Dark Souls/Elden Ring/From Software's works in general.
On the other front you have Doom, Halo, Mortal Kombat, Assassin's Creed, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, GTA, Red Dead Redemption, Crash, Bioshock... Those are all really big franchises that would bring a ton of attention to their inclusion in Smash. Then there's slightly less popular stuff that still resonates with Nintendo fans and would be well received, like Rayman or the rest of Rare's catalogue. And that's not even counting the indie sphere. Undertale, Hollow Knight, Shantae... Those games are popular.
It just feels like a natural evolution.
Why not both?There are still a lot of major Namco, Sega, Square and Capcom IPs. They could go on mostly Japanese stuff for a while without dipping into the obscure stuff.
I'm not sure how true this is. ABK put Crash, Diablo and Overwatch, Ubisoft put Rayman and Assassin's Creed, Bethesda put a whole bunch of stuff, Epic has put Fortnite, 2K has put Borderlands and BioShock, WB put Mortal Kombat and the Arkham games, Cd Projekt Red put Witcher, and MS has put a decent amount of stuff for still being a rival. Even Valve put Portal and Rockstar put Red Dead and the GTA collection, ****ty as it is. Hell, even EA put Apex.This may not necessarily play the biggest factor in Smash, but it is also worth noting Japanese third parties are more willing to put ports of their stuff on Switch (and likely the Switch 2) than many of their Western counterparts which might play a factor in overall promotion. Yes, you have exceptions like iD software doing the recent Doom titles and Capcom not really going big with their AAA releases on the Switch. However, even the latter company knows series like Monster Hunter will get a lot of its sales back home on Nintendo consoles and mid-level titles die a death in the Japanese market unless there's a Switch version.
If the aim of some third party fighter is promotion of games and maintaining relationships with third parties, there's a strong investment to do so with companies with titles that best benefit both sides, which very often is your Capcom's, Konami's, Square Enix's, Namco's, and so forth.
That might a really solid opportunity to at least get some Final Fight elements like music in Smash. I'd be really cool to get some things from 2 & 3 given how much they've been forgotten due to being SNES originals rather than arcade ports.I also ended up randomly finding a Darkstalkers pop-up shop randomly in America-Mura in Osaka. It made me just want Morrigan in Smash that much more, but it also had a small section of goods devoted to Street Fighter Alpha and Capcom’s more obscure arcade output like Saturday Night Slam Masters. That’s kind of how I picture a Morrigan fighter pack to go, primarily being about Darkstalkers but also musically including Capcom’s entire arcade output.
I honestly feel like this would be a great way to handle it, but I can't help but chuckle to myself because I know for a fact she'd be like borderline Bayonetta tier (given the Darkstalkers series is so well known for its target combos, I can't imagine they'd not include those as a built-in element of her kit, and that's not even getting into character-specific elements like her dash.) Morrigan would undeniably be pretty cool thoughI also ended up randomly finding a Darkstalkers pop-up shop randomly in America-Mura in Osaka. It made me just want Morrigan in Smash that much more, but it also had a small section of goods devoted to Street Fighter Alpha and Capcom’s more obscure arcade output like Saturday Night Slam Masters. That’s kind of how I picture a Morrigan fighter pack to go, primarily being about Darkstalkers but also musically including Capcom’s entire arcade output.
You are so right. It would be cool to have the fourth famicom characters of 1986: Link,Samus,Pit an Takamaru fighting together.The recent announcement of Samurai Jack in Multiversus makes me realize that Smash missed the chance to have Takamaru as the Samurai-type fighter and also the proper retro rep that Ultimate is missing.
I feel square put a decent amount of stuff.Square
I highly doubt Doom will get a character.Why not both?
Japanese companies are a lot easier to work with due to the absence of a language barrier. However, it is true that Smash already represents a lot of the big fish in this arena. Resident Evil and Monster Hunter are the only Japanese franchises with 100+ million sales not in Smash, while Yazuka and Dark Souls have enough modern releases and notability to be considered “big gets” in the west. That being said, there are franchises that are a bit more obscure in the west but have a strong Japanese presence and/or legacy (Bomberman, Puyo Puyo, SamSho, etc.) and a lot of the bigger Japanese franchises in Smash have the potential to get another fighter (Sonic, Street Fighter, Mega Man, etc.).
Alternatively, Western third parties are basically unexplored in Smash outside of Banjo and Steve. At the very least, Crash and Doom Slayer seem to be perfectly positioned as future DLC for the next Smash due to their high fan-demand, historical importance, and modern relevance (well, maybe not for Crash anymore). However, the language barrier makes getting these characters in Smash a much more difficult task and some of the bigger Western third parties could be contentious (e.g. Jonesy or CJ).
My guess is we’ll get more third parties next Smash (counting both the base game and DLC), with 2 to 4 supporting characters from series already in the game, 2 to 4 smaller Japanese series, 1 to 2 major Japanese series, and 2 to 3 western series.
Yeah, I too can picture Crash and Doom Slayer getting in the next game.Why not both?
Japanese companies are a lot easier to work with due to the absence of a language barrier. However, it is true that Smash already represents a lot of the big fish in this arena. Resident Evil and Monster Hunter are the only Japanese franchises with 100+ million sales not in Smash, while Yazuka and Dark Souls have enough modern releases and notability to be considered “big gets” in the west. That being said, there are franchises that are a bit more obscure in the west but have a strong Japanese presence and/or legacy (Bomberman, Puyo Puyo, SamSho, etc.) and a lot of the bigger Japanese franchises in Smash have the potential to get another fighter (Sonic, Street Fighter, Mega Man, etc.).
Alternatively, Western third parties are basically unexplored in Smash outside of Banjo and Steve. At the very least, Crash and Doom Slayer seem to be perfectly positioned as future DLC for the next Smash due to their high fan-demand, historical importance, and modern relevance (well, maybe not for Crash anymore). However, the language barrier makes getting these characters in Smash a much more difficult task and some of the bigger Western third parties could be contentious (e.g. Jonesy or CJ).
My guess is we’ll get more third parties next Smash (counting both the base game and DLC), with 2 to 4 supporting characters from series already in the game, 2 to 4 smaller Japanese series, 1 to 2 major Japanese series, and 2 to 3 western series.
The classic Balloon Fight.Aside from that, what else sticks out to you in this lineup of NES classics? (despite being required to lean towards games apt for challenge/speedrun type stuff)
That sounds like a cool ida.I also ended up randomly finding a Darkstalkers pop-up shop randomly in America-Mura in Osaka. It made me just want Morrigan in Smash that much more, but it also had a small section of goods devoted to Street Fighter Alpha and Capcom’s more obscure arcade output like Saturday Night Slam Masters. That’s kind of how I picture a Morrigan fighter pack to go, primarily being about Darkstalkers but also musically including Capcom’s entire arcade output.
Every time this happens has me gearing up a little more for the possibility of more Excitebike content in Smash. It kinda makes me confident that it is the number one “canonized” classic NES title to lack any form of meaningful, concrete representation. I’ve really turned around on this over the last year or so.The one that kind of sticks out, though, is Excitebike (and Balloon Fight, but at least that has a stage and is referenced quite overtly by Villager). Clearly it wouldn't be appropriate to twist this into some outlandish theory about Excitebike being added to Smash, but it's one more example of this game getting highlighted alongside the best of its gen's best.
I don't believe there's any confirmed connection between the Street Fighter and Darkstalkers universes. And even SF/Strider is only implied, not confirmed.It's established that most of Capcom's old game output exists in a shared Marvel comics style universe with the most obvious connections being with Street fighter, Final Fight and Rival Schools, but it also extends to stuff like Strider, Captain Commando, Saturdaynight slammasters and possibly even Darkstalkers.
I wouldnt mind seeing Morrigan in Smash but on one quirky condition: one of her alts must be the original Darkstalkers 2D sprite lolDarkstalkers and Street Fighter share a universe in the UDON comics, but in the games it wouldn't really work because they're both set in modern times, DS is vaguely sometime in the 80s.
Morrigan would be impossible but I would love her, she'd be a really interesting variant on a shoto even just on the basis of translating air fireball mechanics to Smash, and Darkstalkers has this great cartoony animation that I think you could do a lot with. Morrigan is just as much goofy as she is seductive, her moves involve her making magic jetpacks and missiles after all.
I would prefer it that way, presuming the characters are set in stone like they were in Ultimate. Unless there's some ability for them to at least consider fan demand along the way, the fans don't really benefit from keeping characters they paid for a mystery until the last moment. If they don't like the characters, the consensus could turn it into an arguable waste of money.Y’know, I wanna say “screw it, the next Smash should reveal every DLC character in whatever DLC pass they do” but I’m also concerned about the potential fan backlash and red tape surrounding those characters.
I dunno, a lot of fighting games have been starting to reveal their whole passes. Street Fighter 6 revealed their season 2, Guilty Gear Strive revealed its season 4, Mortal Kombat 1 revealed its first season a while back...I think Tekken 8 is the only major one not to at this point (IIRC there's only one more character to reveal anyway).I would prefer it that way, presuming the characters are set in stone like they were in Ultimate. Unless there's some ability for them to at least consider fan demand along the way, the fans don't really benefit from keeping characters they paid for a mystery until the last moment. If they don't like the characters, the consensus could turn it into an arguable waste of money.
Not that they'll ever actually reveal the DLC like that, developers love stirring up hype for something they've already decided. Ultimate's "Everyone is Here" unfortunately remains one of the only generous mass confirmations they've ever done.
Screw that I love the build up of each new reveal. Don't Netflix dump all the new dlc characters on me.I would prefer it that way, presuming the characters are set in stone like they were in Ultimate. Unless there's some ability for them to at least consider fan demand along the way, the fans don't really benefit from keeping characters they paid for a mystery until the last moment. If they don't like the characters, the consensus could turn it into an arguable waste of money.
Not that they'll ever actually reveal the DLC like that, developers love stirring up hype for something they've already decided. Ultimate's "Everyone is Here" unfortunately remains one of the only generous mass confirmations they've ever done.
I have no idea what’s going to happen in the future and there’s a good chance you’re right but I’m personally hoping for the opposite. I love Nintendo and it’s my favorite gaming company but I’ve become a big fan of the whole “celebration of gaming” direction the past two games have gone. I’d still like to see a good amount of first party characters, but as time goes on and we get most of them I’d be excited for, my preferences lean more towards third party.Re: West VS East
I don’t think Smash will delve too heavily in third parties from the west. Microsoft and Ubisoft are the only ones I can see getting full characters, and I think more effort would be put into retaining as many third parties from Ultimate, be it in the base roster, and more so in DLC.
In general, I can see Smash 6 taking a step back from what Ultimate did, with much more roster space, and much more new faces for existing Nintendo series this time around.
All I’m saying is that we’ll see less third party companies overall, but we’ll also see some third party series double-dip, such as Sonic, or Street Fighter.
Implied nothing, Street fighter 5 has a character named Zeku who is confirmed to be the first person in this universe with the name Strider, which carries on into the future until eventually reaching Strider Hiryu.I don't believe there's any confirmed connection between the Street Fighter and Darkstalkers universes. And even SF/Strider is only implied, not confirmed.
I was going to say that Darkstalkers wouldn't quite fit since supernatural monsters don't really seem to exist, but then I remembered Necalli and Oni...It's established that most of Capcom's old game output exists in a shared Marvel comics style universe with the most obvious connections being with Street fighter, Final Fight and Rival Schools, but it also extends to stuff like Strider, Captain Commando, Saturdaynight slammasters and possibly even Darkstalkers.
Not to "um actually" or anything like that, but apparently there may be a (very loose) basis for the SF and Darkstalkers connection;I don't believe there's any confirmed connection between the Street Fighter and Darkstalkers universes. And even SF/Strider is only implied, not confirmed.
Just go back to Brawl style, four reasonable and expected1st party newcomers then a guest character that wasn't on anyone's radarHow do you think they reveal the next Smash, with smash 4 they revealed it with Villager and Ultimate with Inkling
No. It doesn't.Implied nothing, Street fighter 5 has a character named Zeku who is confirmed to be the first person in this universe with the name Strider,
Except those AREN'T those characters. It's a costume party where the guests are dressed like Capcom characters.Ken's stage in Alpha 2, which features cameo easter egg appearances from a wide variety of Capcom characters. The Darkstalkers here are specifically Morrigan, Felicia, Lord Raptor, and then both Lei-Lei and Mai-Ling (Hsien-Ko), but they're mostly in human form, hence the dubious canonicity.
I don't actually think the Captain, Ginzu, or Hiryu came back from the future or anything like that, I just felt it'd be an interesting and related tidbit. The idea of the attendees being deliberately dressed like Capcom characters isn't something I've heard before, though! That's an interesting thought.Except those AREN'T those characters. It's a costume party where the guests are dressed like Capcom characters.
Unless you think Captain Commando and Strider somehow time traveled from the distant future to attend Ken's party.
One of the character guides in SF5 even confirms that Captain Commando is a video game in the SF universe.
He mentioned Strider as one of the possible names for his future ninja organization. It is never confirmed that that's what it ended up becoming.Implied nothing, Street fighter 5 has a character named Zeku who is confirmed to be the first person in this universe with the name Strider, which carries on into the future until eventually reaching Strider Hiryu.