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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

Sucumbio

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He mentioned his budget isn't what he wishes it was recently, but I don't know why he thinks it's not big enough, seeing as how he was able to have Sora be the finale. Unless too much money went into licensing Sora specifically and not enough on his moveset, I mean it isn't really anything special.
I think Nintendo grants an amount (bearing in mind some games go over budget due to unforseen circumstances) and it's up to the devs to make it work by budgeting it themselves and so Sakurai did this by allocating a percentage toward design and the rest for marketing. In the design portion you then have it broken down again into categories so like base roster, dlc, solo modes, online, etc.

What seems to be the case is within the marketing portion of the overall budget Joker ended up costing more than everyone else so the remaining reveals were toned down or rather Sakurai's work increased, kind of like how salaried workers get paid the same regardless of how many hours they work. His comment stuck me as dang I wish we had more money so I could pay others to do more work. It's interesting to think about at any rate. I'd love to see the balance sheets for Nintendo IPs as it would shed light on a lot of this.
 

DarthEnderX

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Hold up wouldn't that be upwards of like over a hundred tracks?
Lessee...
SNESMushroomMario Circuit
SNESMushroomDonut Plains
SNESMushroomGhost Valley
SNESMushroomBowser Castle
SNESFlowerChoco Island
SNESFlowerKoopa Beach
SNESFlowerVanilla Lake
SNESFlowerRainbow Road
N64MushroomLuigi Raceway
N64MushroomMoo Moo Farm
N64MushroomKoopa Troopa Beach
N64MushroomKalimari Desert
N64FlowerToad's Turnpike
N64FlowerFrappe Snowland
N64FlowerChoco Mountain
N64FlowerMario Raceway
N64StarWario Stadium
N64StarSherbert Land
N64StarRoyal Raceway
N64StarBowser Castle
N64SpecialD.K.'s Jungle Parkway
N64SpecialYoshi Valley
N64SpecialBanshee Boardwalk
N64SpecialRainbow Road
GBAMushroomPeach Circuit
GBAMushroomShy Guy Beach
GBAMushroomRiverside Park
GBAMushroom
GBAFlowerMario Circuit
GBAFlowerBoo Lake
GBAFlowerCheese Land
GBAFlower
GBAStarSnow Land
GBAStarRibbon Road
GBAStarYoshi Desert
GBAStar
GBASpecialLakeside Park
GBASpecialBroken Pier
GBASpecialBowser Castle
GBASpecialRainbow Road
GCNMushroomLuigi Circuit
GCNMushroomPeach Beach
GCNMushroomBaby Park
GCNMushroomDry Dry Desert
GCNFlowerMushroom Bridge
GCNFlowerMario Circuit
GCNFlowerDaisy Cruiser
GCNFlowerWaluigi Stadium
GCNStarSherbert Land
GCNStarMushroom City
GCNStarYoshi Circuit
GCNStarDK Mountain
GCNSpecialWario Colosseum
GCNSpecialDino Dino Jungle
GCNSpecialBowser's Castle
GCNSpecialRainbow Road
DSMushroomFigure-8 Circuit
DSMushroomYoshi Falls
DSMushroomCheep Cheep Beach
DSMushroomLuigi's Mansion
DSFlowerDesert Hills
DSFlowerDelfino Square
DSFlowerWaluigi Pinball
DSFlowerShroom Ridge
DSStarDK Pass
DSStarTick Tock Clock
DSStarMario Circuit
DSStarAirship Fortress
DSSpecialWario Stadium
DSSpecialPeach Gardens
DSSpecialBowser's Castle
DSSpecialRainbow Road
WiiMushroomLuigi Circuit
WiiMushroomMoo Moo Meadows
WiiMushroomMushroom Gorge
WiiMushroomToad's Factory
WiiFlowerMario Circuit
WiiFlowerCoconut Mall
WiiFlowerDK Summit
WiiFlowerWario's Gold Mine
WiiStarDaisy Circuit
WiiStarKoopa Cape
WiiStarMaple Treeway
WiiStarGrumble Volcano
WiiSpecialDry Dry Ruins
WiiSpecialMoonview Highway
WiiSpecialBowser's Castle
WiiSpecialRainbow Road
3DSMushroomToad Circuit
3DSMushroomDaisy Hills
3DSMushroomCheep Cheep Lagoon
3DSMushroomShy Guy Bazaar
3DSFlowerWuhu Loop
3DSFlowerMario Circuit
3DSFlowerMusic Park
3DSFlowerRock Rock Mountain
3DSStarPirahna Plant Slide
3DSStarWario Shipyard
3DSStarNeo Bowser City
3DSStarMaka Wuhu
3DSSpecialDK Jungle
3DSSpecialRosalina's Ice World
3DSSpecialBowser's Castle
3DSSpecialRainbow Road
Wii UMushroomMario Kart Stadium
Wii UMushroomWater Park
Wii UMushroomSweet Sweet Canyon
Wii UMushroomThwomp Ruins
Wii UFlowerMario Circuit
Wii UFlowerToad Harbor
Wii UFlowerTwisted Mansion
Wii UFlowerShy Guy Falls
Wii UStarSunshine Airport
Wii UStarDolphin Shoals
Wii UStarElectrodome
Wii UStarMount Wario
Wii USpecialCloudtop Cruise
Wii USpecialBone Dry Dunes
Wii USpecialBowser's Castle
Wii USpecialRainbow Road
Wii UBellDragon Driftway
Wii UBellIce Ice Outpost
Wii UBellWild Woods
Wii UBellSuper Bell Subway
Yup.

That's is, of course, skipping the redundant SNES tracks and non-Mario MK8 tracks.
 
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chocolatejr9

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Lessee...

SNESMushroomMario Circuit
SNESMushroomDonut Plains
SNESMushroomGhost Valley
SNESMushroomBowser Castle
SNESFlowerChoco Island
SNESFlowerKoopa Beach
SNESFlowerVanilla Lake
SNESFlowerRainbow Road
N64MushroomLuigi Raceway
N64MushroomMoo Moo Farm
N64MushroomKoopa Troopa Beach
N64MushroomKalimari Desert
N64FlowerToad's Turnpike
N64FlowerFrappe Snowland
N64FlowerChoco Mountain
N64FlowerMario Raceway
N64StarWario Stadium
N64StarSherbert Land
N64StarRoyal Raceway
N64StarBowser Castle
N64SpecialD.K.'s Jungle Parkway
N64SpecialYoshi Valley
N64SpecialBanshee Boardwalk
N64SpecialRainbow Road
GBAMushroomPeach Circuit
GBAMushroomShy Guy Beach
GBAMushroomRiverside Park
GBAMushroom
GBAFlowerMario Circuit
GBAFlowerBoo Lake
GBAFlowerCheese Land
GBAFlower
GBAStarSnow Land
GBAStarRibbon Road
GBAStarYoshi Desert
GBAStar
GBASpecialLakeside Park
GBASpecialBroken Pier
GBASpecialBowser Castle
GBASpecialRainbow Road
GCNMushroomLuigi Circuit
GCNMushroomPeach Beach
GCNMushroomBaby Park
GCNMushroomDry Dry Desert
GCNFlowerMushroom Bridge
GCNFlowerMario Circuit
GCNFlowerDaisy Cruiser
GCNFlowerWaluigi Stadium
GCNStarSherbert Land
GCNStarMushroom City
GCNStarYoshi Circuit
GCNStarDK Mountain
GCNSpecialWario Colosseum
GCNSpecialDino Dino Jungle
GCNSpecialBowser's Castle
GCNSpecialRainbow Road
DSMushroomFigure-8 Circuit
DSMushroomYoshi Falls
DSMushroomCheep Cheep Beach
DSMushroomLuigi's Mansion
DSFlowerDesert Hills
DSFlowerDelfino Square
DSFlowerWaluigi Pinball
DSFlowerShroom Ridge
DSStarDK Pass
DSStarTick Tock Clock
DSStarMario Circuit
DSStarAirship Fortress
DSSpecialWario Stadium
DSSpecialPeach Gardens
DSSpecialBowser's Castle
DSSpecialRainbow Road
WiiMushroomLuigi Circuit
WiiMushroomMoo Moo Meadows
WiiMushroomMushroom Gorge
WiiMushroomToad's Factory
WiiFlowerMario Circuit
WiiFlowerCoconut Mall
WiiFlowerDK Summit
WiiFlowerWario's Gold Mine
WiiStarDaisy Circuit
WiiStarKoopa Cape
WiiStarMaple Treeway
WiiStarGrumble Volcano
WiiSpecialDry Dry Ruins
WiiSpecialMoonview Highway
WiiSpecialBowser's Castle
WiiSpecialRainbow Road
3DSMushroomToad Circuit
3DSMushroomDaisy Hills
3DSMushroomCheep Cheep Lagoon
3DSMushroomShy Guy Bazaar
3DSFlowerWuhu Loop
3DSFlowerMario Circuit
3DSFlowerMusic Park
3DSFlowerRock Rock Mountain
3DSStarPirahna Plant Slide
3DSStarWario Shipyard
3DSStarNeo Bowser City
3DSStarMaka Wuhu
3DSSpecialDK Jungle
3DSSpecialRosalina's Ice World
3DSSpecialBowser's Castle
3DSSpecialRainbow Road
Wii UMushroomMario Kart Stadium
Wii UMushroomWater Park
Wii UMushroomSweet Sweet Canyon
Wii UMushroomThwomp Ruins
Wii UFlowerMario Circuit
Wii UFlowerToad Harbor
Wii UFlowerTwisted Mansion
Wii UFlowerShy Guy Falls
Wii UStarSunshine Airport
Wii UStarDolphin Shoals
Wii UStarElectrodome
Wii UStarMount Wario
Wii USpecialCloudtop Cruise
Wii USpecialBone Dry Dunes
Wii USpecialBowser's Castle
Wii USpecialRainbow Road
Wii UBellDragon Driftway
Wii UBellIce Ice Outpost
Wii UBellWild Woods
Wii UBellSuper Bell Subway

Yup.
Maybe "EveryONE is Here" would be easier...
 

DarthEnderX

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Was the crossed Turtle on the Nintendo Power cover Michelangelo or Raphael?
Impossible to tell if they aren't attacking cause they all had red bandanas in that game.

Which pic is that?
He means this:


Which I made! (not the Nintendo Power cover, but the version with the checklist on it)

Maybe "EveryONE is Here" would be easier...
Yeah, too easy. That's not even a feat. Characters are nothing in MK.
 
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Gengar84

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Impossible to tell if they aren't attacking cause they all had red bandanas in that game.

He means this:


Which I made! (not the Nintendo Power cover, but the version with the checklist on it)

Yeah, too easy. That's not even a feat. Characters are nothing in MK.
I’m a bit surprised how many of these I don’t recognize considering I grew up with the NES. Here’s all of the eligible fighters with no representation I think I recognize in order:

1) Bill Rizer
2) Ryu Hyabusa
3) The Amazon
4) ???
5) Rash
6) Jimmy Lee
7) Gradius ship
8) Mike Jones?
9) ???
10) ???
11) ???
12) ???
13) ???
 
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Garteam

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Boys only want one thing and it's ****ing awesome:
Seriously, this is basically perfect. Not only does the moveset look professionally done, but they also gave BWD a ton of tools that look really fun. I desperately want to juggle someone with that up-tilt.
 

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I’m a bit surprised how many of these I don’t recognize considering I grew up with the NES. Here’s all of the eligible fighters with no representation I think I recognize in order:

1) Bill Rizer
2) Ryu Hyabusa
3) The Amazon
4) ???
5) Rash
6) Jimmy Lee
7) Gradius ship
8) Mike Jones?
9) ???
10) ???
11) ???
12) ???
13) ???
4) Rygar
9) Rad Spencer
10) Crystalis Guy
11) Jason (from the original Blaster Master, not the Zero one)
12) Maniac Mansion guy
13) Elrond (Wizards and Warriors)
 

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Impossible to tell if they aren't attacking cause they all had red bandanas in that game.

He means this:


Which I made! (not the Nintendo Power cover, but the version with the checklist on it)
Yeah, I already replied to that.

Also, I see Falcom is the company behind the Ys series. I wouldn't mind Adol being a playabe character.

I’m a bit surprised how many of these I don’t recognize considering I grew up with the NES. Here’s all of the eligible fighters with no representation I think I recognize in order:

1) Bill Rizer
2) Ryu Hyabusa
3) The Amazon
4) ???
5) Rash
6) Jimmy Lee
7) Gradius ship
8) Mike Jones?
9) ???
10) ???
11) ???
12) ???
13) ???
That's actually Billy Lee.
 
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Gengar84

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Yeah, I already replied to that.

Also, I see Falcom is the company behind the Ys series. I wouldn't mind Adol being a playabe character.



That's actually Billy Lee.
I thought Billy was blonde and Jimmy was brunette. That sprite doesn’t look blonde to me.
 

Gengar84

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Their hair colors change but the color of their outfits are always the same. Billy is always in blue and Jimmy is always in red.
Oh that makes sense. I was mostly remembering their hair colors from Battletoads and Double Dragon. I wasn’t paying enough attention to the outfit.
 

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Boys only want one thing and it's ****ing awesome:
Seriously, this is basically perfect. Not only does the moveset look professionally done, but they also gave BWD a ton of tools that look really fun. I desperately want to juggle someone with that up-tilt.
Love his work. He also has a Waluigi and Toad character mod. I believe his Banjo is still happening regardless of Banjo's official inclusion into Ultimate but the work slowed down considerably due to that. The Waluigi reveal trailer confirmed Skull Kid was next on his list and I can't wait to try that one out.

If nothing else I hope Ultimate modding can get to this level someday soon. Melee modding is also taking off quite well now. I'm pretty sure Smash 64 Remix is done but I hope I'm wrong and they come back soon.
 
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He is not a video game character.
When people will learn that Non-VG characters don't have chance to join the Roster.
(I swear to God, if it's the joke, I'm gonna say that Ness is Goku)
You saw the troll face. It's right there. Of course it's a joke. :090: Maybe the young'uns lost their sarcasm detection meter. I say young'uns as I barely hit my twenties.
 
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You saw the troll face. It's right there. Of course it's a joke. :090: Maybe the young'uns lost their sarcasm detection meter. I say young'uns as I barely hit my twenties.
Listen.
It was a joke, but I wanna tell you something.

Konami only cares about Pachinko machines, Kojima was Fired and there are not gonna be new Konami reps anymore in Smash.
 
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chocolatejr9

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Listen.
It was a joke, but I wanna tell you something.

Konami only cares about Pachinko machines, Kojima was Fired and there are not gonna be new Konami reps anymore in Smash.
Don't forget the Castlevania NFTs.
Nah, I think we could use one soon.

I’d also like to see what the next mainline Fire Emblem game is gonna be like.
You. I like you. Keep talking.
I believe it's gonna be another Tactical game.
Unless it would take in Modern Times, where Modern Marth holds an AK-47 and Robin is Grenade thrower.
Believe it or not, one of the original ideas for Awakening was to have it set in the modern day. They later scrapped it, though.
 
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Don't forget the Castlevania NFTs.

Believe it or not, one of the original ideas for Awakening was to have it set in the modern day. They later scrapped it, though.
1. Yeah, NFTs suck. Konami is a huge fan of Trash PNGs.
NFTs, more like "Not Funny Trash".

2. Yeah, I know that and this concept could be in Next FE game, where you can play as mentioned earlier Ak-47 Mario, Flamethrower Roy and Sniper Lyn.
 

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Konami only cares about Pachinko machines, Kojima was Fired and there are not gonna be new Konami reps anymore in Smash.
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Simon, Richter, and Snake's return were well after all of those events though? You really saying Bill can't get in just because they're hardly making console releases? They're releasing YuGiOh console games at least lmao
 

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Can you imagine in late March, Nintendo announces a secret final character of Ultimate (to celebrate April Fools Day), release the video in April 1st, and we discover that was the trailer from a sequel of Tokyo Mirage Sessions. And to put more irons into the fire, the beginning of the video is a Smash short film made by Production I.G., the one who made the cutscenes of #FE (so people can think that there will be a Smash anime or something), only to reveal that it was one of the characters playing on a Switch.

If that occurs, everyone will look like a darn clown.
 

osby

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Can you imagine in late March, Nintendo announces a secret final character of Ultimate (to celebrate April Fools Day), release the video in April 1st, and we discover that was the trailer from a sequel of Tokyo Mirage Sessions. And to put more irons into the fire, the beginning of the video is a Smash short film made by Production I.G., the one who made the cutscenes of #FE (so people can think that there will be a Smash anime or something), only to reveal that it was one of the characters playing on a Switch.

If that occurs, everyone will look like a darn clown.
Correction: Everyone except Rie Sonomura Rie Sonomura will look like a darn clown.

They will be hailed as the new reign of Smash speculation.
 

chocolatejr9

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Can you imagine in late March, Nintendo announces a secret final character of Ultimate (to celebrate April Fools Day), release the video in April 1st, and we discover that was the trailer from a sequel of Tokyo Mirage Sessions. And to put more irons into the fire, the beginning of the video is a Smash short film made by Production I.G., the one who made the cutscenes of #FE (so people can think that there will be a Smash anime or something), only to reveal that it was one of the characters playing on a Switch.

If that occurs, everyone will look like a darn clown.
Promise me Edelgard will be a playable Mirage, and it'll be worth it.

Well, it'd already be worth it because TMS is a good game that deserves a sequal, but... y'know...
 
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