Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Deleted member]

I don't like that Mario fellow, I bet he is the one who has actually been Peach's kidnapper all this time.

I've also heard that Mario posts cringe memes rather than kek ones.

Most of them involving pasta puns and Lou Albano.

 

[Zinith]

I've also heard that Mario posts cringe memes rather than kek ones.

Most of them involving pasta puns and Lou Albano.

I dunno. Going to hell before you die is pretty dank

 

[Deleted member]

I dunno. Going to hell before you die is pretty dank

That is the only good meme they posted apparently.

 

[MisterMike]

****, you know what I really want to see get a PreMiium Costume that likely will never get one?

Buck Bumble. With this song in particular. Buck Bumble is the perfect example of a character that will not get in Smash in any way whatsoever, but any way to get this song in the game makes up for every single flaw in Ultimate, Smash 4, Brawl, Melee, 64, and the history of the world leading up to this moment.

Okay but seriously the song is a banger but attached to a character that COULD be fun but has absolutely no business being in Smash.

Christ that would be amazing. I can see his trailer now: Banjo is walking around with a beehive in his hand, he stops to stretch, then he spot dodges a laser shot. Camera shifts to the Buck Bumble Mii Gunner costume, and the theme starts playing.

 

[DevaAshera]

Are you saying that we shouldn't want a new Zelda character because they'd only stick around for one game?

I was about to say to look at my sig for an answer for that..but I forgot that I no longer have an Echo Fighter Wishlist there lol
Anyway, one of my biggest pipe dream wants is/was Princess Hilda, even as an Echo Fighter or even just a costume or even colour (seriously! Why the heck is Hilda not at least a colour for Zelda?!)
I'm just saying that adding a new Zelda character via one-offs will lead to another Fire Emblem issue of getting a lot of characters each game and increasing the likelihood of having them cut or, if we ever get another 'Everyone Is Here' situation ending up with another oversaturation of them.
I'm still shocked that at least Impa or Tingle were never added as playable characters considering that they are the other reoccuring characters, aside from Pig Ganon, to not be playable and Impa would be an easy Echo off of Sheik.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I've never been good at getting my point across.

 

[Jomosensual]

Wrapped up my vanity Fighters Pass. Think I'll make a realistic or predictions one soon because it didn't take nearly as long as I thought it would. Couldn't figure out the font so I picked something somewhat close.

 

[Ben Holt]

I'm gonna hold off my Fighter's Pass Volume 2 until February 1st, as there's a very prominent leak saying that Crash is coming "immediately" after the first pass, and I don't want to create a pass that gets outdated that quickly.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I'm gonna hold off my Fighter's Pass Volume 2 until February 1st, as there's a very prominent leak saying that Crash is coming "immediately" after the first pass, and I don't want to create a pass that gets outdated that quickly.

A twitter account which seems to be another case of "make a ****ton of predictions and delete all the wrong ones before spreading the account" isn't 'prominent'

 

[Hinata]

I'm buyin' the next Fighter's Pass the second I'm able to. FP1 was really ****in' good, I trust Sakurai to keep that train goin', and having all the characters in the game available to me is more important than anything else.

 

[Krankees]

6 more days until Byleth arrives. Can't wait to try them out.

Spoiler: Warning: Swearing

 

[Ben Holt]

I'm buyin' the next Fighter's Pass the second I'm able to. FP1 was really ****in' good, I trust Sakurai to keep that train goin', and having all the characters in the game available to me is more important than aything else.

I'm buying it because I'll be damned if I have an incomplete Smash Bros. game.
I'm a sheep for Nintendo.

 

[Jomosensual]

I'm buyin' the next Fighter's Pass the second I'm able to. FP1 was really ****in' good, I trust Sakurai to keep that train goin', and having all the characters in the game available to me is more important than aything else.

Same here. Even if they're characters I don't really want too badly seeing new ones in the game just feels pretty satisfying to me. That includes the PreMiium costumes as well. The Cuphead one is going to get a ton of play from me and making his moveset, even though it's pretty limited, will still be fun

 

[Wunderwaft]

On one hand, I can see why people think SWSH might not get a DLC character because of the spirit event. On the other hand, none of the spirits were going to be playable fighters (let's be real about this), and we know SWSH has an extended life thanks to the two DLC packs. Perhaps Sakurai knew that a new Pokemon project is happening in 2020/2021 but didn't know it's details and decided to go with the spirit event for SWSH's release preemptively, who knows? It wouldn't be the first time that Sakurai reserved a special spot for a Pokemon character years in advance, a Pokemon slot was planned as far back as 2015 for Ultimate, Sun and Moon didn't even get announced back then.

Maybe the fighter could be from SWSH's DLC, or a Pokemon game coming out in 2021, either way disregarding Pokemon completely because of the spirit event seems like a mistake that confuses Pokemon with other franchises. If there is one franchise besides Fire Emblem that gets special treatment from Sakurai and Nintendo it's Pokemon, it ALWAYS gets a new fighter in Smash, Sakurai admitted this himself when he talked about Incineroar and the process of how a Pokemon slot is reserved years in advance. I wouldn't even be surprised if the reason the DLC is taking as long as December 2021 is because they're spacing it for the new Pokemon game to get close to release so they can release their promotional Shillmon as close to the game's release as possible.

This is coming from someone who dislikes the new gen so there is no bias from me, the only Pokemon from the new gen I kinda like and would welcome as a fighter is Toxtricity, other than that the rest of the gen 8 Pokemon don't interest me enough for Smash.

 

[TheCJBrine]

****, you know what I really want to see get a PreMiium Costume that likely will never get one?

Buck Bumble. With this song in particular. Buck Bumble is the perfect example of a character that will not get in Smash in any way whatsoever, but any way to get this song in the game makes up for every single flaw in Ultimate, Smash 4, Brawl, Melee, 64, and the history of the world leading up to this moment.

Okay but seriously the song is a banger but attached to a character that COULD be fun but has absolutely no business being in Smash.

Christ that would be amazing. I can see his trailer now: Banjo is walking around with a beehive in his hand, he stops to stretch, then he spot dodges a laser shot. Camera shifts to the Buck Bumble Mii Gunner costume, and the theme starts playing.

We need this.

what about now it’s time to rock with the bickity Buck Bumble.

what about now it’s time to rock with the bickity Buck Bumble.

bum to the boom to the bum to the bass. bum to the boom to the BUMBLE. bum to the boom to the bum to the bass. bum to the boom to the-

 

[Ben Holt]

On one hand, I can see why people think SWSH might not get a DLC character because of the spirit event. On the other hand, none of the spirits were going to be playable fighters (let's be real about this), and we know SWSH has an extended life thanks to the two DLC packs. Perhaps Sakurai knew that a new Pokemon project is happening in 2020/2021 but didn't know it's details and decided to go with the spirit event for SWSH's release preemptively, who knows? It wouldn't be the first time that Sakurai reserved a special spot for a Pokemon character years in advance, a Pokemon slot was planned as far back as 2015 for Ultimate, Sun and Moon didn't even get announced back then.

Maybe the fighter could be from SWSH's DLC, or a Pokemon game coming out in 2021, either way disregarding Pokemon completely because of the spirit event seems like a mistake that confuses Pokemon with other franchises. If there is one franchise that always gets special treatment from Sakurai and Nintendo it's Pokemon, it ALWAYS gets a new fighter in Smash, Sakurai admitted this himself when he talked about Incineroar and the process of how a Pokemon slot is reserved years in advance. I wouldn't even be surprised if the reason the DLC is taking as long as December 2021 is because they're spacing it for the new Pokemon game to get close to release so they can release their promotional Shillmon as close to the game's release as possible.

This is coming from someone who dislikes the new gen so there is no bias from me, the only Pokemon from the new gen I kinda like and would welcome as a fighter is Toxtricity, other than that the rest of the gen 8 Pokemon don't interest me enough for Smash.

My opinion on Spirits is that they disconfirm a character IF they are added in after planning for DLC is finished.
So I believed that base-game spirits deconfirmed Fighter's Pass Volume 1 fighters. I was apparently right.
But when was Volume 2 planned out? If I had to guess, I'd say before the major spirit events like Sword/Shield and Resident Evil, so I believe that any Resident Evil, Astral Chain, Daemon X Machina, etc characters are out of the running.
However, I think that base game Spirits like Geno, Rayman, etc are back on the table.

I have nothing to support this but my own gut feeling, so don't take this very seriously.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

On one hand, I can see why people think SWSH might not get a DLC character because of the spirit event. On the other hand, none of the spirits were going to be playable fighters (let's be real about this), and we know SWSH has an extended life thanks to the two DLC packs. Perhaps Sakurai knew that a new Pokemon project is happening in 2020/2021 but didn't know it's details and decided to go with the spirit event for SWSH's release preemptively, who knows? It wouldn't be the first time that Sakurai reserved a special spot for a Pokemon character years in advance, a Pokemon slot was planned as far back as 2015 for Ultimate, Sun and Moon didn't even get announced back then.

Maybe the fighter could be from SWSH's DLC, or a Pokemon game coming out in 2021, either way disregarding Pokemon completely because of the spirit event seems like a mistake that confuses Pokemon with other franchises. If there is one franchise besides Fire Emblem that gets special treatment from Sakurai and Nintendo it's Pokemon, it ALWAYS gets a new fighter in Smash, Sakurai admitted this himself when he talked about Incineroar and the process of how a Pokemon slot is reserved years in advance. I wouldn't even be surprised if the reason the DLC is taking as long as December 2021 is because they're spacing it for the new Pokemon game to get close to release so they can release their promotional Shillmon as close to the game's release as possible.

This is coming from someone who dislikes the new gen so there is no bias from me, the only Pokemon from the new gen I kinda like and would welcome as a fighter is Toxtricity, other than that the rest of the gen 8 Pokemon don't interest me enough for Smash.

I don't think people would call you biased to Pokemon when you use terms like 'shill pick' as most Smash fans I've seen have grown quite a bit of apathy to Pokemon, accepting it'll never slow down even if you want it to

 

[DevaAshera]

I'm buyin' the next Fighter's Pass the second I'm able to. FP1 was really ****in' good, I trust Sakurai to keep that train goin', and having all the characters in the game available to me is more important than aything else.

Same here. I don't want to spend the money on it yet considering I don't need the Mii Fighter costume bonus..but I'll be buying it sometime next month.
I absolutely loved every character added to the Fighter Pass, with Byleth & Joker as my favorites in it and two characters that were in my Top Wants for the game..considering Persona 5 and Fire Emblem: Three Houses were my Game of the Year for the years they were released (well..Persona 5 tied with NieR Automata and The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild..and Three Houses could have tied with Super Smash Bros. Ultimate depending on if you count December 2018 as part of 2018 or 2019..I count it as the former)

 

[Deleted member]

I'm buyin' the next Fighter's Pass the second I'm able to. FP1 was really ****in' good, I trust Sakurai to keep that train goin', and having all the characters in the game available to me is more important than aything else.

I'm just the one person here waiting for hype reveals and not throwing the centavo yet.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I'm just the one person here waiting for hype reveals and not throwing the centavo yet.

Yeah, I'm probably gonna wait until E3 or something, just to make sure I'm not paying for characters I don't want. Last time I waited until Banjo was announced to buy.

This time around, I think Master Chief and Sora could be instant buys. Or alternatively, if the first character is first party, I'm taking them as representative of the Pass and buying it.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

I'll probably buy it the moment I'm able to.

Same rules apply as last time, I'll be guaranteed brand-new fighters and (probably) no Echoes, so worst-case scenario I have six new movesets to play with my family.

Still, would be nice to have a Zelda character. Or a non-Asian person of color.

 

[Ben Holt]

I'll probably buy it the moment I'm able to.

Same rules apply as last time, I'll be guaranteed brand-new fighters and (probably) no Echoes, so worst-case scenario I have six new movesets to play with my family.

Still, would be nice to have a Zelda character. Or a non-Asian person of color.

Aha! How would you know that Kirby, King K. Rool, Incineroar, etc would be white!?

But in all seriousness, it is pretty disheartening that the only black characters are Ganondorf, Villager, and Inkling.

I guess one could rationalize it by saying that these are Japanese characters, and Japan is a damn near ethnostate.

Not to mention the big stink in the media when they found out that Mr. Sandman's (black guy from Punch-Out!!) Spirit is represented by Donkey Kong.

 

[DevaAshera]

Still, would be nice to have a Zelda character. Or a non-Asian person of color.

Yeah, I agree..though the primary problem has to do with Smash Bros. being very Japanese character centric and there not being any person of colour main characters in their games..aside from being an option for customizable characters like Pokémon Trainers, Villagers, Inklings, Octolings, etc.
Best I could see is if they felt like adding Marina to the game or adding Octoling with their default skin being a darker shade (which would be pretty likely, honestly).

Not to mention the big stink in the media when they found out that Mr. Sandman's (black guy from Punch-Out!!) Spirit is represented by Donkey Kong.

Yeah, that's the worst accidental uh oh I've seen in a while. Like, I get it, Donkey Kong is a powerhouse with a wind up punch..but I guess Japan doesn't know about the racial connatations of comparing a black person to any sort of primate other than human..

 

[TheYungLink]

Not to mention the big stink in the media when they found out that Mr. Sandman's (black guy from Punch-Out!!) Spirit is represented by Donkey Kong.

I agree that that's unfortunate, but I don't think the media made a stink about it.

Also while Donkey Kong subbing in for a black character is extremely iffy, I'll give the developers the benefit of the doubt and assume they just wanted a character with a powerful punch, DK's Giant Punch being very strong in particular.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I agree that that's unfortunate, but I don't think the media made a stink about it.

Also while Donkey Kong subbing in for a black character is extremely iffy, I'll give the developers the benefit of the doubt and assume they just wanted a character with a powerful punch, DK's Giant Punch being very strong in particular.

That and it could be referencing DK's cameo in the Wii game.

 

[Lacrimosa]

Aha! How would you know that Kirby, King K. Rool, Incineroar, etc would be white!?

But in all seriousness, it is pretty disheartening that the only black characters are Ganondorf, Villager, and Inkling.

I guess one could rationalize it by saying that these are Japanese characters, and Japan is a damn near ethnostate.

Not to mention the big stink in the media when they found out that Mr. Sandman's (black guy from Punch-Out!!) Spirit is represented by Donkey Kong.

Question is how many dark-skinned characters are in videogames that are also iconic enough to be known about.
The current chars that are thrown around are chars like Sora, Master Chief, Ryu Hayabusa, Dante, Travis, Arle. None of them is dark-skinned.

There's probably a lack of dark-skinned chars in general, especially in Nintendo games. For example, Pokémon started including dark-skinned characters in gen 5 with the 2nd gym leader and has included ever more since then but prior to that there was nothing.

 

[TheYungLink]

That and it could be referencing DK's cameo in the Wii game.

Maybe, but other characters used for Punch Out spirits include K. Rool and Ken, so it's not like other non Little Mac fighters used for Punch Out spirits are uncommon.

Also, saying DK is subbing in for both Mr. Sandman and DK's own cameo in Punch Out Wii is somewhat of a stretch. I do get what you mean though.

 

[DevaAshera]

So, I just had a thought.
I wonder how Byleth's Victory Theme will sound.
I mean, Marth, Roy, and Ike have the main Fire Emblem Victory Theme (based on the Fire Emblem theme), then Robin, Lucina, and Chrom have one for Awakening (based on 'id Purpose'), and Corrin has one for Fates based on 'Lost in Thoughts All Alone'.
So I suspect that Byleth will also get a new Victory Theme based on the theme of Three Houses 'The Edge of Dawn'.

 

[ZelDan]

Like FP1, I'm not buying into the second one at all, just in case a character I really don't care for gets in at any point, either at the beginning or end.

The way I see it. If Sakurai manages to get 5, or for FP6's case 6 characters that I am okay with or maybe even really like, that he deserves that extra 5 dollars. (or however much extra he'd get from FP6).

If there's a character that's lame to me then that;s money I don't have to spend.

 

[Idon]

Of course I'm gonna buy the pass, I'm a goddamn sheep.

Also, even if I explicitly wish a character I hate got in and I he/she was never included, I'm gonna wanna learn how to beat the snot out of them, won't I?

 

[Strider_Bond00J]

I'll definitely be buying the Fighters Pass Volume 2, but probably only after I've seen who the first character is. Regardless I'll be buying the whole pass but even if it's someone I'm not a fan of (AKA Crash/Tracer) - See above - going to make them the training mode Lvl 1 CPU punching bag.

 

[Calamitas]

Unless the first character of the second pass turns out to be a character I really want, I'm not buying it for quite a while. I also didn't buy the first one until the announcement of Byleth, because I wanted at least one first party character that I care for on there.

 

[DevaAshera]

Like FP1, I'm not buying into the second one at all, just in case a character I really don't care for gets in at any point, either at the beginning or end.

The way I see it. If Sakurai manages to get 5, or for FP6's case 6 characters that I am okay with or maybe even really like, that he deserves that extra 5 dollars. (or however much extra he'd get from FP6).

If there's a character that's lame to me then that;s money I don't have to spend.

I've thankfully never had that issue. Even if I absolutely hate a character, like, say, Bowser Jr when he was revealed or Steve if he gets in, I won't mind them existing on the roster and as options for people I play with to select if they choose to.

I also feel compelled to have a 'Complete' Character Select Screen for some reason..so that kinda plays into it..like it was the reason I bought Lucas for Wii U/3DS when I didn't care about him at all..I'm kinda just glad to have this discounted Pack as a selection from the get-go rather than at the end of it all since it overall saves me money since I spent the money per character (and on both systems with that discounted 2 game pack thing) last time around.

 

[Wunderwaft]

I don't think people would call you biased to Pokemon when you use terms like 'shill pick' as most Smash fans I've seen have grown quite a bit of apathy to Pokemon, accepting it'll never slow down even if you want it to

Pokemon speculation would be far more exciting if we didn't know that the choices are limited by TPC and a small selection is given to Sakurai to choose from. I guess the main reason I'm not that excited about a gen 8 rep is because I don't like SWSH and the choices made in it's development. But regardless of my thoughts on Pokemon I'm still keeping an eye on a Pokemon character, there's still a strong possibility we'll get another Pokemon, whether it's from SWSH or whatever they have planned in 2021 is something I'm unsure of.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Pokemon speculation would be far more exciting if we didn't know that the choices are limited by TPC and a small selection is given to Sakurai to choose from

When Ageislash can be a DLC fighter in Pokken, I think it's more like Sakurai limiting himself.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

When Ageislash can be a DLC fighter in Pokken, I think it's more like Sakurai limiting himself.

So because a Pokemon game has more Pokemon in it, Sakurai's at fault because his game which isn't Pokemon doesn't have as many?

 

[Deleted member]

I think Master Chief and Sora could be instant buys.

Then again, if they even get added at all.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I see the argument that it took Astral Chain so long to get spirits due to Sakurai considering and then scrapping the dumbest name for a protag I have ever ****ing seen. This makes me even more confident in Edelgard as if Sakurai believed Fire Emblem now had too many characters we'd have gotten that spirit board significantly earlier, while he had mixed feelings on Corrin back in Smash 4, Ultimate has a significantly larger roster with at least 81 characters, which could also change his stance on too many characters. "But Gwen!" You may be saying, "Fire Emblem bad!" To that I say, **** you I'm gay for Edelgard so that doesn't matter

Throwback Thursday to me being so close yet so far

 

[Idon]

When Ageislash can be a DLC fighter in Pokken, I think it's more like Sakurai limiting himself.

The fact of the matter is Pokken absolutely does not sell even remotely close to Smash nor is it as good a marketing tool. It is purely for the very small crossover of fans that love Pokemon, love fighting games, and can somewhat tolerate arena fighters. Ergo, they are allowed to add any number of completely bizarre and off-the-wall-characters like a chandalier, a sword, a magical girl, a clown frog WHO WAS ALREADY AN ASSIST, etc because the niche fanbase that's into Pokken more likely than not already super invested into the Pokemon franchise.

Meanwhile, we haven't had a pokemon that wasn't from the latest gen since Pokemon Trainer, and Red and the Kanto starter trio are one of the few pokemon that can justify themselves purely based on being iconic.

I'm going to say that it's safe to assume that TPC are shrewd businessmen who realize that a fun wacky character from their latest generation, currently pushed in not just games, but merchandise and anime, is a far better pick to put into the biggest gaming crossover in the world, than say, a red armored bug designed a decade and a half ago:

 

[DarkFoxTeam]

When it comes to SW/SH I feel like it’s more likely we’ll just get one of the starters as a character (if we do get anything at all). Of course the legendary’s and any new Pokémon in the upcoming DLC TPC wants to promote also have a chance, but I feel like the starters are the safer bet. I personally want Rillaboon, but that’s just me. I’d be lying if I said the spirits board it got makes me think we’re not getting anything (even if none of the final evo starters are there). I just wouldn’t be surprised if we didn’t get any Pokémon in this season pass. I’m hoping I’m wrong though as I’d like to see a rep make it in.

 

[Herocin]

I'm gonna hold off my Fighter's Pass Volume 2 until February 1st, as there's a very prominent leak saying that Crash is coming "immediately" after the first pass, and I don't want to create a pass that gets outdated that quickly.

Not only is it probably false but they said themselves that they never meant immediately as in its coming straight after pass 1 just a mistake on their end