Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Zinith]

Why go with Mario when you can go for the cute dinosaur with a natural moveset that needs hardly any power-ups?

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Personally I still got good vibes for Sora. He's one of the biggest never ever picks and that's what this whole game has been about.

I'm not saying he's in the fighters pass or anything but at least a post pass character spot would be nice.

 

[Deleted member]

Well, that leak was fun while it lasted.

I can't wait for the next one to surface in about a week or so.

I'm forced to say it's still real by obligation because I really don't want to spend several hours of my time trying to get shinies for the two goobers I made a bet with

 

[Freaky Mutant Man]

One thing I'll point out (and this isn't a statement that the leak is actually real for certain): as someone pointed out to me on Discord, no one's really had the motivation to try Mii costume modding. After all, why mod in Mii hats of a character when you can mod in the character themself over Mario or Marth? We're getting Mii hat modding breakthroughs because people are actually trying now. This certainly seems like something someone could work out independently for their fake leak, but as we try to recreate this, the needed breakthroughs are being worked on communally, many minds reaching the point that one mind may or may not have already achieved. Research always happens fastest in a group, not alone.

That's both fertile ground for a fake leaker to make themselves seem more legitimate and an argument why this leak might be legitimate. Just food for thought.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I have this gut feeling still that Fighter Pass 5 is Doom Slayer. Not necessarily because of this leak or anything but he's pretty damn perfect for a TGA reveal of that's where we're getting #5 shown.

I'm actually still confident in Hayabusa too. Feel like the next Pass may start out with those two if Doom Slayer isn't #5.

Sora would actually be a perfect choice for TGA as well.

 

[BZL8]

One thing I'll point out (and this isn't a statement that the leak is actually real for certain): as someone pointed out to me on Discord, no one's really had the motivation to try Mii costume modding. After all, why mod in Mii hats of a character when you can mod in the character themself over Mario or Marth? We're getting Mii hat modding breakthroughs because people are actually trying now. This certainly seems like something someone could work out independently for their fake leak, but as we try to recreate this, the needed breakthroughs are being worked on communally, many minds reaching the point that one mind may or may not have already achieved. Research always happens fastest in a group, not alone.

That's both fertile ground for a fake leaker to make themselves seem more legitimate and an argument why this leak might be legitimate. Just food for thought.

This runs under the assumption that only one person worked on the Mallow and Cacodemon hats (assuming it is fake). A group effort can't be ruled out.

 

[Isaac: Venus Adept]

With or without leaks both Doomslayer and Ryu Hayabusa have a lot of things going for them. Both are iconic series from companies that have a good relationship with the Big N

 

[Freaky Mutant Man]

This runs under the assumption that only one person worked on the Mallow and Cacodemon hats (assuming it is fake). A group effort can't be ruled out.

True enough; regardless, I am curious if a modder can manage the quality of those models and textures in the leak video. The modder here has managed the jiggle and such, but certainly not the model quality of that hat. It must be possible, right?

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

A modder was able to create a Mallow hat that allows the Mii to emote (and yes, the hat jiggles).

Gameplay#SmashBros #SmashBrosUltimate #Mods pic.twitter.com/mzhaLXJuwK

— Migz92398 🌐 (@Miguel92398) November 9, 2019

Welp, that was fun while it lasted, and now back to our regular scheduled programming.

 

[BZL8]

True enough; regardless, I am curious if a modder can manage the quality of those models and textures in the leak video. The modder here has managed the jiggle and such, but certainly not the model quality of that hat. It must be possible, right?

I mean, the original leak footage was captured on a phone, so any differences in quality could be trickier to notice. That's my two cents. Not to mention Nintendo still hasn't struck the video, and they are still strike-hungry as they recently shut down a Twitter account posting Sw-Sh leaks.

If anything, this whole saga shows that we are at a point in Ultimate modding that anything fake can be replicated and passed off as real and vice-versa.

 

[Ben Holt]

Welp, that was fun while it lasted, and now back to our regular scheduled programming.

We both have purple text, and both started our response to that video with "welp".

 

[Jomosensual]

Calling a character a lock is silly in general. No newcomer not named Inkling was ever a 100% guarantee for this game

Ken was, but he was leaked as badly as possible pretty much

 

[Isaac: Venus Adept]

Ken was, but he was leaked as badly as possible pretty much

I mean nobody expected Ken until we found out echo fighters were a thing but I'd say he was almost a lock. He was just as likely as Shadow imo and there was always a small chance they could've skipped him

 

[Idon]

We both have purple text, and both started our response to that video with "welp".

You both are unreadable unless I highlight your messages, lol.

 

[Ben Holt]

You both are unreadable unless I highlight your messages, lol.

Get a better screen, peasant.

 

[PrettyIvyPearls22]

I mean nobody expected Ken until we found out echo fighters were a thing but I'd say he was almost a lock. He was just as likely as Shadow imo and there was always a small chance they could've skipped him

Shadow, actually still hurts, and I’m not even that big of a Shadow fan! I just wanted Sonic get somebody else!

 

[StrawHatX]

Shadow, actually still hurts, and I’m not even that big of a Shadow fan! I just wanted Sonic get somebody else!

Yeah, I was shocked that didn’t happen. Everyone was expecting Ken and Shadow Echos I feel like.

 

[Isaac: Venus Adept]

The fact that Sonic was the most recurring third party fighter in the series and that Shadow was as popular to the mainstream audience that he is made him one of the most likely newcomers ever since echo fighters were confirmed a thing. All they would really need to do is give him a teleport up b and change his animations such as allowing him to skate and making his attacks resemble chaos attacks. Also the fact that they dragged his fans until the last direct for his AT reveal with all these factors supporting him which as an Isaac supporter would know how much it stings. Shadow getting snubbed was the biggest shock from this game's speculation cycle honestly

 

[Deleted member]

You both are unreadable unless I highlight your messages, lol.

You can turn text color off in your settings. Makes Smashboards much more tolerable.

 

[PROFESSOR PIGGY PANCREAS]

Say hello to the rest of the DLC.

 

[Ben Holt]

Shadow, actually still hurts, and I’m not even that big of a Shadow fan! I just wanted Sonic get somebody else!

I still want Shadow, Tails, Knuckles AND Eggman. In his Eggpod, like Bowser Jr. but much bigger. He'd be a hovering character like Mewtwo.

 

[Night Gale]

There was a time when using a gun made you a never ever and now betches are arguing over which FPS character honestly has a chance.

For the record, I prefer Wolfenstein more than Doom because of its story and stealth. Though my personal Bethesda pick is Corvo/Emily from Dishonored because of all of the crazy weapons and sh*t they can do.

 

[Ben Holt]

There was a time when using a gun made you a never ever and now betches are arguing over which FPS character honestly has a chance.

For the record, I prefer Wolfenstein more than Doom because of its story and stealth. Though my personal Bethesda pick is Corvo/Emily from Dishonored because of all of the crazy weapons and sh*t they can do.

That was a fair argument until Bayonetta and Joker came around.
Though arguably Snake too. Rocket launchers and guided missiles are still firearms. Guess it's just a culture thing. Personally, I have no qualms with cartoon violence at all no matter how realistic the weapons look.

Edit: If I were in charge of ratings, the standard for violence would be:
No blood or death: E
Minor scratches and scrapes or cartoon death: E10+
Realistic Blood or death: T
Guts, torture, and mutilation: M

 

[PROFESSOR PIGGY PANCREAS]

Doomguy can't get in because he has a chainsaw which is too violent.

 

[Ben Holt]

Doomguy can't get in because he has a chainsaw which is too violent.

This is why cartoon violence is not real violence. It's just Looney Tunes.

 

[RaintheCriminalWhirlwind]

Is...is this a mod?

Super legit. She has this suit

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Get a better screen, peasant.

I don't think anything short of a light mode's gonna fix that issue. lol

Everyone with these dark purple and blue text all fail the color accessibility guidelines.

 

[Night Gale]

Speaking of which, does Dishonored have a fan topic? Corvo/Emily need more attention. Sheeeeit.

That was a fair argument until Bayonetta and Joker came around.
Though arguably Snake too. Rocket launchers and guided missiles are still firearms. Guess it's just a culture thing. Personally, I have no qualms with cartoon violence at all no matter how realistic the weapons look.

I know but it's interesting to think about how far we've come and how they will add basically anybody they want to as long as it's a video game character who can get past CERO.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

So here’s something to try...

Let’s consider some of the leading franchises that’s dominating speculation:

Kingdom Hearts
Tekken
Ninja Gaiden
Doom
Super Mario RPG
Astral Chain
Tales of...
Etc etc

From that, make a Fighter Pass including a character, stage, 2-4 Mii Outfits, and at least 5 Spirits. If you want to conclude music, you can but please keep it to 5 and include them as links, not in embeds as it can slow down the page if there are too many.

 

[Mango The Magician]

So since I was thinking about who FP5 could be since it could be anyone in my eyes, I came up with two picks that could make sense. Assuming each character comes from a different company, namely companies close to Nintendo, bar Microsoft but Banjo is a special case, and assuming FP5 isn't first party, the first company that comes to mind that's close to Nintendo is Ubisoft, and Rayman is a spirit so I think there's two options:

-The Rabbids: very popular and lots of presence on Nintendo consoles, can count as their own series when dealing with spirits, and are goofy enough to fit into Smash well, and as an extra bonus are the perfect downer final character that this pass is gonna end with that'll set the internet a flame.

-An Assassin's Creed character: major Ubisoft franchise, large growing presence on Nintendo consoles, perfect character to appeal to the the "gamer" crowd at the VGAs, and no presence in Smash so ripe for spirits.

 

[PK-remling Fire]

I know but it's interesting to think about how far we've come and how they will add basically anybody they want to as long as it's a video game character who can get past CERO.

welp there goes the chances for a Darkstalkers rep :/

 

[osby]

welp there goes the chances for a Darkstalkers rep :/

To be honest, Morrigan's design is hardly the biggest obstacle in her way.

Darkstalkers is a small fish in a company that has many popular franchises.

 

[PROFESSOR PIGGY PANCREAS]

welp there goes the chances for a Darkstalkers rep :/

Demitri could still get it. He would be the best choice anyway.

 

[Isaac: Venus Adept]

Yeah if we were getting another Capcom character it would boil down to Phoenix Wright or somebody from Resident Evil most notably Leon or Jill Valentine I reckon.

 

[PK-remling Fire]

Demitri could still get it. He would be the best choice anyway.

They'd just need to modify or take out midnight bliss lol

 

[Ivander]

They'd just need to modify or take out midnight bliss lol

They can keep the Midnight Bliss form that Demetri uses, as he can use it without needing to transform somebody.

 

[D019]

Joker - Morgana
Hero - Slime
Banjo - Kazooie
Ken - Hat

Partner theory is still in play imo

Reimu - Marisa(/ yukari)
Master chief - Cortana

i can hope, can i?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Demitri could still get it. He would be the best choice anyway.

Woke folks know that Jedah is the real Darkstalkers choice.

 

[OrpheusTelos]

Demitri could still get it. He would be the best choice anyway.

Uhh good luck trying to convince Sakurai to develop 80+ new character models for Midnight Bliss lol

Also let's be real, BB Hood would objectively be the best Darkstalkers pick because I like her the most lol

 

[Night Gale]

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