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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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I’ve seen no good mii hat ports for Ultimate, and I’m assuming this hasn’t actually been done successfully (as in, no weird positioning and polygon issues) since every modder against the leak is trying to debunk it with helmets/masks, which work differently. The modders who tried to debunk it with the messed up hats just helped it instead.
 
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9:15 unless that was posted today as the announcement

if it gets the costumes,stage and online mode right things are gonna get nuts
 
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Considering that it's a whole big 45 minutes for Terry's presentation, I have a feeling there might be something extra special somewhere in it :)
Like say maybe another kof character, or maybe just the fifth character. Maybe not, but I can dream :D
 

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Frogger is certainly an interesting choice.

For one his "classic" design is... well, a frog so he would break the recent trend of 3rd parties going for the classic design. Second, the game he's most known for is a really passive one as you are completely at the mercy of the world around you. So either he summons stage hazards or he draws stuff from later Frogger games.
 

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Considering that it's a whole big 45 minutes for Terry's presentation, I have a feeling there might be something extra special somewhere in it :)
Like say maybe another kof character, or maybe just the fifth character. Maybe not, but I can dream :D
let's not get hopes up. They've said nothing for a character, but who's to say that a costume pack won't happen?
 
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Considering that it's a whole big 45 minutes for Terry's presentation, I have a feeling there might be something extra special somewhere in it :)
Like say maybe another kof character, or maybe just the fifth character. Maybe not, but I can dream :D
It still feels odd to have a 45 minute presentation and not mention a single newcomer XD
 

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That's by Hori. In other words, it's a Third-Party controller made by people who aren't Nintendo, so why would they promote it if they've never done that with third-party controllers before?
They're an official Nintendo peripheral licensee who's been with them since the Famicom. Moreover, they're also close partners with Konami, Sega, Capcom, Square Enix, and SNK. If Smash would promote any third party controller, it'd be Hori.
 

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It still feels odd to have a 45 minute presentation and not mention a single newcomer XD
It's honestly super long. And since the character should work like ken and ryu, I'm sure there's something interesting they havent shown us yet. I have no clue what that could be. Obviously the thought of a tag team system comes up in my mind, but that's just me playing with fun ideas again :)
 

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I’ve seen no good mii hat ports for Ultimate, and I’m assuming this hasn’t actually been done successfully (as in, no weird positioning and polygon issues) since every modder against the leak is trying to debunk it with helmets/masks, which work differently. The modders who tried to debunk it with the messed up hats just helped it instead.
Too be fair, whoever made the leak would have had plenty of time to mod a proper looking mii hat if its fake whereas the modding scene only had a few hours to whip up a proof of concept real quick to show its possible. Especially with the Smash community constantly breathing down their necks every minute to show it off asap...
 
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It's honestly super long. And since the character should work like ken and ryu, I'm sure there's something interesting they havent shown us yet. I have no clue what that could be. Obviously the thought of a tag team system comes up in my mind, but that's just me playing with fun ideas again :)
A tag team system like Pokemon Trainer would be legendary. Nobody could complain after that

Either way, I'm interested to see how KoF and Fatal Fury are represented. I recently brushed up on its history and there's a lot of fun to be had with the characters and music.
 

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It's honestly super long. And since the character should work like ken and ryu, I'm sure there's something interesting they havent shown us yet. I have no clue what that could be. Obviously the thought of a tag team system comes up in my mind, but that's just me playing with fun ideas again :)
I'd imagine an incorporated Max Meter and/or Grooves, or heck, even assists/strikers! who knows, sky's the limit!
 

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I’m still betting on Doom announcement this direct, Mark my words.
Also, it would actually make sense for a mallow Mii costume to be with a geno announcement, the music copyright months ago shows that Geno has been in the works for awhile, so it would make sense that a mallow mii costume is already finished(or the head at least)
 

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Too be fair, whoever made the leak would have had plenty of time to mod a proper looking mii hat if its fake whereas the modding scene only had a few hours to whip up a proof of concept real quick to show its possible. Especially with the Smash community constantly breathing down their necks every minute to show it off asap...
Fair point.

I still find it odd that they apparently tried modding them before, though, but they seem to have found that it wasn’t worth the effort compared to how it was in Smash 4.
 

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I’ve seen no good mii hat ports for Ultimate, and I’m assuming this hasn’t actually been done successfully (as in, no weird positioning and polygon issues) since every modder against the leak is trying to debunk it with helmets/masks, which work differently. The modders who tried to debunk it with the messed up hats just helped it instead.
The messed up hat was an attempt to up-port the Smash 4 Mallow mod that was made following the leak. It obviously would be messed up because it was made for a completely different character, but the mod itself went smoothly. They only had to compress the texture, which was already way too detailed than what the Ultimate Mallow hat looked like it had, and for what it's worth, the person who did the port felt like that footage could've been easy to fake based on their own experiments.

People generally take the wrong idea away from that post (and a lot of the posts that show modding in action generally), it neither proves or disproves the footage. Even if someone successfully recreates a 1:1 copy of it, that wouldn't really matter either way. All we know by now is that it can be done realistically, but unless someone comes out and takes credit for it, it'll only be vetted once the news comes out officially.
 
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It's honestly super long. And since the character should work like ken and ryu, I'm sure there's something interesting they havent shown us yet. I have no clue what that could be. Obviously the thought of a tag team system comes up in my mind, but that's just me playing with fun ideas again :)
The thing is, KOF is slightly more complex than Ken or Ryu. I'm predicting a meter system at the very least, though a tag team/striker system would be spectacular. There's also the possibility of cancelable and stackable inputs a la KOF14, foreground and background dodges (within reason) like in the original Fatal Fury series, and getting pros or SNK devs on stream to practice Terry with him.

I feel like even if we don't get any earth-shattering reveals, we will be getting a very interesting stream focused on mechanics and history that will be cool for SNK buffs and hopefully show Terry's doubters why he's such an awesome character.
 

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If frogger gets in I will gladly take that

I shouldn't have to do this, but I'm calling the Frogger leak bull****. It's very likely a guy reposting his ****ty leak over and over hoping something gains traction. This predates the frogger one and has 90% the same **** in the same format.

https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/481502895/
I highly doubt terry would release a week after the direct, so I’m still banking on frogger
 

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The thing is, KOF is slightly more complex than Ken or Ryu. I'm predicting a meter system at the very least, though a tag team/striker system would be spectacular. There's also the possibility of cancelable and stackable inputs a la KOF14, foreground and background dodges (within reason) like in the original Fatal Fury series, and getting pros or SNK devs on stream to practice Terry with him.

I feel like even if we don't get any earth-shattering reveals, we will be getting a very interesting stream focused on mechanics and history that will be cool for SNK buffs and hopefully show Terry's doubters why he's such an awesome character.
Yeah that's fine. I like to open to more too. It's ok if it doesn't happen. It could be as simple as a reveal at the end.
It IS november, so it wouldn't be a bad time to announce the last character, even if we'd only get it in january/feb
 
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Yeah that's fine. I like to open to more too. It's ok if it doesn't happen. It could be as simple as a reveal at the end.
It IS november, so it wouldn't be a bad time to announce the last character, even if we'd only get it in january/feb
I'd be shocked if we don't get a fighter before Christmas. It's prime time to advertise the fighter pass and Smash Ultimate in general.
 

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Personally I think it would be hilarious if Sora and Crash got mii fighter outfits and they are modeled after their old mascot costumes
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Place your bets on which leak is going to be victorious tomorrow!

Goemon/Rocket Grunt leaker set:
- Mallow
- Smithy
- Chocobo
- Nakoruru
- Haohmaru
- Geese Howard
- Kyo Kusanagi

Frogger leak set:
- Geese Howard
- Heihachi
- Lloyd Irving
- Hollow Knight

Playtester leak set:
- Cacodemon
- Mallow

inb4 none of them win.
 
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Place your bets on which leak is going to be victorious tomorrow!

Goemon/Rocket Grunt leaker set:
- Mallow
- Smithy
- Chocobo
- Nakoruru
- Haohmaru
- Geese Howard
- Kyo Kusanagi

Frogger leak set:
- Geese Howard
- Heihachi
- Lloyd Irving
- Hollow Knight

Playtester leak set:
- Cacodemon
- Mallow

inb4 none of them win.
I bet on the Goemon leak because I'm biased.
 
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The thing is, KOF is slightly more complex than Ken or Ryu. I'm predicting a meter system at the very least, though a tag team/striker system would be spectacular. There's also the possibility of cancelable and stackable inputs a la KOF14, foreground and background dodges (within reason) like in the original Fatal Fury series, and getting pros or SNK devs on stream to practice Terry with him.

I feel like even if we don't get any earth-shattering reveals, we will be getting a very interesting stream focused on mechanics and history that will be cool for SNK buffs and hopefully show Terry's doubters why he's such an awesome character.
There's also the possibility of giving him pushblock on parry and souped up moves (that consume meter) that can't be spot dodged (to replicate his attacks that hit all dimensional planes like Round Wave; for balance reasons, you'd just have to block or jump over them though).
 
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There's also the possibility of giving him pushblock on parry and souped up moves (that consume meter) that can't be spot dodged (to replicate his attacks that hit all dimensional planes like Round Wave; for balance reasons, you'd just have to block or jump over them though).
Man Terry is either going to be broken or not ok to play.
 
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smash fans: "idk, ryu's inputs are a little too difficult"
sakurai, laughing in terry:

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smash fans: "idk, ryu's inputs are a little too difficult"
sakurai, laughing in terry:

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Hopefully they make Rising Tackle a Shoryuken input, like it was in some games (King of Fighters 96-98, at least). I can never get the timing down for charge moves.

At least it's not like Geese's "Raging Storm", where the input of that move is also known as the Pretzel: (second to the bottom)



I have no idea how you're supposed to actually use that. The half-circle is fine, but going from down-back directly to forward without hitting anything between, doing a half-circle backwards, and then going from back directly to down-forward (also without hitting anything in between) seems unnecessarily complicated.
 

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There was a problem fetching the tweet

I just saw this video on Twitter, it's an amazing edit of Smash Ultimate with Heavy Day from Guilty Gear as the song. The edit and how the song fits in is a great work.
 

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So I hear that Terry's presentation is due for tomorrow and I believe it is 45 mins long?

It will be interesting to see what they will show during the presentation despite no news on the fifth fighter.
So hears a thought. What if there's going to be a lot of changes in this 6.0 update? Remember when Sakurai changed how the Smash meter worked and how they added a super easy mode to World of Light? What if there's just a crap ton of stuff like that? Like, they've fixed certain stages with Stage Hazard switched off. Or maybe they've added Classic Mode for Mii fighters. Just a bunch of stuff. That would fill up a lot of time.
 
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anyway my completely realistic prediction is that terry is going to be revealed to actually be a tag-team fighter who can switch in kyo and nakoruru and that's why this is 45 minutes and we had no proper trailer beforehand

don't @ me
 

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anyway my completely realistic prediction is that terry is going to be revealed to actually be a tag-team fighter who can switch in kyo and nakoruru and that's why this is 45 minutes and we had no proper trailer beforehand

don't @ me
Replace Nakoruru with Athena and I'm on board my guy.
 
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