Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Flyboy]

I can totally believe that Ace Attorney is popular with a female audience, but is there any data or sources that back that up?

Honestly, most of my sources are anecdotal from growing up entrenched in the Ace Attorney fanbase for over a decade. I'm not gonna pretend to be a data fountain. It's also pretty well-known that the Layton series demographic also skews female, and also was big in Europe. There's clear cross-fandom benefit there too.

 

[Himiko]

Another point I want to bring up. Some people here were saying the lack of female dlc characters in Smash Ultimate isn’t a Smash problem but rather a gaming industry problem, but that’s not entirely true. There are a number of iconic female characters in gaming and they have the option to include them as dlc, they have simply chosen not to. That is definitely a Smash problem.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Another point I want to bring up. Some people here were saying the lack of female dlc characters in Smash Ultimate isn’t a Smash problem but rather a gaming industry problem, but that’s not entirely true. There are a number of iconic female characters in gaming and they have the option to include them as dlc, they have simply chosen not to. That is definitely a Smash problem.

Tbf more often than not they aren't the main characters. PoC have this issue in the industry too though if Nintendo's smart, they'll learn from Claude's popularity and overall praise

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

The game probably met Platinum's expectations well enough. Maybe Nintendo was hoping for that 1 million, but I suppose looking at it through the lens of it being a new IP as well, the numbers actually are probably decent.

Honestly the only thing I'm having trouble imagining is what his recovery could be. Maybe Max's bust conks him on the head and he flies away wearing a top hat and cape, or maybe he flies over a burning bridge.

But yes, it infuriates me when people say he has no moveset potential despite having precedence in a prior fighting game. Some people have no imagination.

 

[NintenZ]

So it seems like Terry isn't releasing today.

It's strange too, he had basically everything going for today and even GameXplain backed it but ah well I guess.

Next week for sure.

 

[Naoyatodo]

So it seems like Terry isn't releasing today.

It's strange too, he had basically everything going for today and even GameXplain backed it but ah well I guess.

Next week for sure.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So it seems like Terry isn't releasing today.

It's strange too, he had basically everything going for today and even GameXplain backed it but ah well I guess.

Next week for sure.

Hear me out: it’ll be Monday, November 4

why? For one, the July 14 2014 reveal of Robin and Lucina was on a Monday, so it wouldn’t be unprecedented. Also, the 7-11 ad in Japan that PushDustIn mentioned is supposed to be up until the 4th.

They could announce the presentation on Sunday evening (our time) for Monday

 

[Flyboy]

So it seems like Terry isn't releasing today.

It's strange too, he had basically everything going for today and even GameXplain backed it but ah well I guess.

Next week for sure.

Next week...such as...the fifth? Hmmm?

 

[kirbsmash]

I want tiddy man to be outtttttttt

 

[Naoyatodo]

I want tiddy man to be outtttttttt

Bowser's already in the game, I think.

 

[TheAJJohnson]

I never understood the political aspect of Smash representation. If you like a character, you like a character. You don't like a character, you don't like a character. That's all Smash advertising is about and how it's been for 20 years. Maybe that's how you feel about the current DLC, that you don't like the recent newcomers and that's fine. Just never understood why we need to tie politics in a crossover game where the entire point is the series and not the gender.

And for the record, we get it's your boycott and you can do whatever you want with your money, but you keep bringing it up like it adds value to any discussion here. It doesn't and just sounds like complaining whenever possible.

Amen. This is what I've been saying all along. What people are professing is "diversity" is a definition espoused mainly by those on a certain side of the political aisle. It's safe to assume Nintendo cares much more about actual diversity when it chooses characters, e.g. source game genre, character popularity, moveset potential, how complex a character is, what makes the character interesting, etc. Sure, some of those variables may be race, gender, etc., but I guarantee that the Smash team and Sakurai aren't saying stuff like, "Who do we think should be the next character? But before you give your suggestions, remember it has to be a woman." And when you consider that Nintendo is, at its core, a Japanese-based company with very different values than those over here in the west and other parts of the world, it's probably best to shelf your political biases because they aren't going to pander to them with something as big as DLC character negotiations.

I think it's fine to speculate that the next character will have "x" character attribute because of "y" reasons, or say you would like the next character to have "a" because of "b". But when the majority of your posts here have nothing to do with discussion, but rather mainly consist of your ideologies and how you'll be so upset if they aren't accepted and/or fulfilled, you're setting yourself up to be ignored. We value your contributions, but not when they aren't relevant to the conversation.

 

[KatKit]

Woah... the realization that Terry is going to become a meme character like Shulk within the Smash fandom just hit me. Granted, everything Terry says is meme worthy within his own series, but still... I'm not ready for it all over again, but on a much bigger scale. D:

Another point I want to bring up. Some people here were saying the lack of female dlc characters in Smash Ultimate isn’t a Smash problem but rather a gaming industry problem, but that’s not entirely true. There are a number of iconic female characters in gaming and they have the option to include them as dlc, they have simply chosen not to. That is definitely a Smash problem.

This.

Even more so when you factor in that prior to Smash 4, the female reps they chose consisted of two versions of Samus, 2 versions of Zelda, and 1/2 of the Ice Climber duo.

It's gotten somewhat better after that game, but concerns of the old pattern creeping in are legitimate, IMO. Women have been overlooked in Smash, and it isn't entirely because it's a problem within the industry.

 

[NurpNurp]

Woah... the realization that Terry is going to become a meme character like Shulk within the Smash fandom just hit me. Granted, everything Terry says is meme worthy within his own series, but still... I'm not ready for it all over again, but on a much bigger scale. D:

People are going to have their nightmares haunted by "R U OKEY?" if Burn Knuckle can kill effectively

 

[Deleted member]

Woah... the realization that Terry is going to become a meme character like Shulk within the Smash fandom just hit me. Granted, everything Terry says is meme worthy within his own series, but still... I'm not ready for it all over again, but on a much bigger scale. D:

Y'all ready for Barn Knuckle and Pao-ah Duck?

 

[Flyboy]

So I went back to try and find the original "Terry in November, Phoenix as pass 5" leak. It was very bare bones and spread around some insider servers and again the only reason I'm clinging to it is because it's easy. There's a kill date. And so far, well, things are coming up Phoenix...

 

[Sysreq]

Woah... the realization that Terry is going to become a meme character like Shulk within the Smash fandom just hit me. Granted, everything Terry says is meme worthy within his own series, but still... I'm not ready for it all over again, but on a much bigger scale. D:

RIP reminded me of how Sonic lost his "You're too slow~" taunt

 

[Plank08]

I just want you guys to understand that if the next character isn’t a female, Sakurai isn’t trying to attack the females who want a female character, he would never do that, it’s just that he wanted the next character to be someone who just so happened to be male. Sakurai isn’t trying to hurt you guys, he’s just adding who he wants to add, if the next character he wants just so happens to be female, then there you go, but I also feel like we shouldn’t ask for a character just because they are female, even if you want females that bad, because that’s doing the character a major disservice.

 

[Calamitas]

Woah... the realization that Terry is going to become a meme character like Shulk within the Smash fandom just hit me. Granted, everything Terry says is meme worthy within his own series, but still... I'm not ready for it all over again, but on a much bigger scale. D:

Are you okay with really feeling it? Now Soon it's Terry time.

 

[BZL8]

You don't know true terror until SNK Bosses arrive in Smash.

 

[NurpNurp]

You don't know true terror until SNK Bosses arrive in Smash.

At least it isn't Azazel from Tekken 6.... That was an awful fight

 

[Deleted member]

You don't know true terror until SNK Bosses arrive in Smash.

You don’t know serious horror until you face a hacker who mains Galactus online in MvC3.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Question: have we had maintenances immediately AFTER a dlc character was available? Like the day after or even the day before? Like not on the same day I mean?

also I’m curious if the date of Nov 6 in that leak refers to the day of presentation and/or the day Terry can actually be available for download

 

[8-peacock-8]

At least it isn't Azazel from Tekken 6.... That was an awful fight

Imagine the bad SNK bosses which are far worse than Azazel. Lol

 

[NurpNurp]

Question: have we had maintenances immediately AFTER a dlc character was available? Like the day after or even the day before? Like not on the same day I mean?

also I’m curious if the date of Nov 6 in that leak refers to the day of presentation and/or the day Terry can actually be available for download

iirc Joker had maintainence around then. didn't help much, as the servers were immediately reduced to smoking piles of ash when he became available for purchase

 

[Deleted member]

You don't know true terror until SNK Bosses arrive in Smash.

Everybody gangster until Geese says
P R E D I C T A B O

 

[Rie Sonomura]

iirc Joker had maintainence around then. didn't help much, as the servers were immediately reduced to smoking piles of ash when he became available for purchase

So they probably won’t ever do that again...

They might do it BEFORE Terry releases, but that would mean he’d be available on November 7 (Thursday)

 

[NurpNurp]

You don’t know serious horror until you face a hacker who mains Galactus online in MvC3.

Untextured Galactus is so hilarious to me for some reason

So they probably won’t ever do that again...

They might do it BEFORE Terry releases, but that would mean he’d be available on November 7 (Thursday)

Consider also: Joker also had a "Coming Soon" banner at the beginning of April, and he didn't drop until the 19th

 

[AceAttorney9000]

You don't know true terror until SNK Bosses arrive in Smash.

Now I wish the Fighters Pass characters came with their own unique Classic Mode bosses.

Because then anyone going through Terry's Classic Mode will know the almost-insurmountable pain of the REPPUKEN and RAIJING STORM!

 

[Deleted member]

Untextured Galactus is so hilarious to me for some reason

I agree.

Doh those hackers seriously ruined the MvC3 online mode by being such cheaters.

And people say Smash’s online is unplayable...

 

[Deleted member]

Now I wish the Fighters Pass characters came with their own unique Classic Mode bosses.

Because then anyone going through Terry's Classic Mode will know the almost-insurmountable pain of the REPPUKEN and RAIJING STORM!

Hero kinda got his own with the final boss referencing Dragon Lord. You get an easy phase 1 before the second phase just comes out and one-shots you.

 

[NurpNurp]

I agree.

Doh those hackers seriously ruined the MvC3 online mode by being such cheaters.

And people say Smash’s online is unplayable...

I mean, you can still play MvC3, you just can't enjoy it because someone hacked three Doom's onto their team and they are hungry for cheeks

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Does anyone have a link to the Phoenix Wright leak?

 

[Flyboy]

Does anyone have a link to the Phoenix Wright leak?

Here's both of them.

Spoiler: October 1

Source: https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/480036970

Spoiler: October 9

No source on this one, but it shouldn't be hard to find.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Does anyone have a link to the Phoenix Wright leak?

I think it’s this (not the one that adds Sephiroth in 2020, that’s probably a different user):

So I went back to try and find the original "Terry in November, Phoenix as pass 5" leak. It was very bare bones and spread around some insider servers and again the only reason I'm clinging to it is because it's easy. There's a kill date. And so far, well, things are coming up Phoenix...

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[kylexv]

I feel that November 6th is an easy guess, even before the events that happened this week.

It's a Wednesday, it's in November, and it's close to the timeframe last year's Smash Direct was. People were already expecting the first half of November for Terry anyway too.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

Hero kinda got his own with the final boss referencing Dragon Lord. You get an easy phase 1 before the second phase just comes out and one-shots you.

I don't mean using Smash characters as a reference, I mean actually having a unique boss with their own model and attack patterns like Dracula or Rathalos.

 

[Flyboy]

I feel that November 6th is an easy guess, even before the events that happened this week.

It's a Wednesday, it's in November, and it's close to the timeframe last year's Smash Direct was. People were already expecting the first half of November for Terry anyway too.

That's what makes it fun. There's an easy kill date. If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. But if it does....oh baby.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Which would be more likely: maintenance after or before he drops? If Joker is anything to go by, like someone else mentioned, they won’t do maintenance on the same day as the drop again lest they wish to make the servers literally implode

 

[Banado_Boy]

Man, with all this talk about bosses, I really wish Sakurai didn’t say Home Run Contest was basically going to be the last new mode added in Ultimate. A Boss Rush Mode would’ve made perfect sense to release with Terry.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Phoenix Wright's moveset is boring.