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Didn't you say you were taking a break and only came back to comment on the 4chan leak? It's pretty much dead, so there's not much to talk about anymore.
Seriously, go take care of yourself. If you feel you're in a better headspace that's great, but maybe take more than a day?
I was going to go on my leave, but then just when I thought I could be free of speculation, I took a peek at Smashboards and found out that leak season has begun, and leak season is the season wherein I have to analyze and deconstruct every leak that comes across. They arrive at the most unexpected of times, and it's to be prepared than to be sorry.
I'll stay logged in and do my banter if the leak looks interesting. Then I talk about it for a couple of minutes and go back to my dormant state. Either way, I'm just saying my part in this discussion.
Eh, there are times I could bring it up again, but discussing the leak and my take on it is the one that's more important. Point is, I know the ****storm that was my female discussion and it erupted inot something worthy of thread locking.
Y'all could use a feminist with a knack for hot takes.
First party characters could also be seen as harder sells given that, in your case, they'd come with less content alongside lacking the potential to draw in new fans and add to the mass crossover celebration of gaming that is Smash Bros for Nintendo.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if all of our DLC fighters are 3rd parties. 1st parties have their time to shine in the base roster, and DLC is the best time for third parties since profit sharing is easier.
The fact that they'd generally come with less content would make them easier to get done on schedule, but I agree with you that they don't have the drawing power of third-parties.
Diversity of gameplay and series matters more than whether or not the character has a **** or not.
If you can't express yourself with a character that isn't your race/gender/sexual orientation I don't think that's a problem with your ability to see things about yourself in said characters since you're defining yourself by your race/gender/sexual orientation.
Gameplay and series are completely unrelated to the point I was making, I'm not saying add Walmart Cashier Lady because she's relatable instead of a male character you think is important enough to be in Smash. I don't understand why everyone can justify "Hero is popular in Japan so it makes sense, Banjo is popular in the west so it makes sense, Terry is important to Latin America, not everything is about you" but when it comes to any other minorities that doesn't apply. Doesn't matter how important a character is to them- and we're talking realistic characters not Beyonce- their opinion doesn't matter.
Regardless of they’re 1st or 3rd party, I really hope whatever fighters that come are bundled with a new stage. I know characters are what get people hyped, but stages are just as important to me.
Take Joker for example, I have no connection to the character and his moveset doesn’t really mesh with my play style. Despite this, I’m so glad I bought his pack because I absolutely love the Mementoes stage. Not every new DLC character is going to make me main them, but I can always appreciate a new stage.
I’m gonna be honest I didn’t buy Corrin back in Smash 4, one of the reasons was because they didn’t come with a new stage. I did buy the returning veterans, but I already had a connection to them.
The fact that they'd generally come with less content would make them easier to get done on schedule, but I agree with you that they don't have the drawing power of third-parties.
Yeah I guess. Bring in a first party/third party IP already in the game and it's mostly gonna be from the fans of the franchises already in Smash. Bring in a third party new to Smash and you'll get floxked over by a surge of new fans.
Gameplay and series are completely unrelated to the point I was making, I'm not saying add Walmart Cashier Lady because she's relatable instead of a male character you think is important enough to be in Smash. I don't understand why everyone can justify "Hero is popular in Japan so it makes sense, Banjo is popular in the west so it makes sense, Terry is important to Latin America, not everything is about you" but when it comes to any other minorities that doesn't apply. Doesn't matter how important a character is to them- and we're talking realistic characters not Beyonce- their opinion doesn't matter.
I find it funny that there are some people who think we won't get anymore 1st party fighters. It's like saying you won't get more Tekken characters for Tekken 7 DLC. Besides, Unlike third party characters, first parties don't need a stage, spirits, or anything to come with them, especially the ones of which their home series are already represented. (Adeline from Kirby, Sylux from Metroid, Byleth/Edelgard from Fire Emblem, Porky from EarthBound/Mother, etc.) The only exceptions I see are the ones not yet repped (such as Dragalia Lost and Astral Chain).
The thing with first-party characters is not just the intention of wanting new players (even though that's important as well) but the fact that history doesn't play in their favour.
As DaybreakHorizon
stated, these characters would come with less content. Why? Because in the history of Smash DLC, we've had a total of 11 characters, and none of the Nintendo ones offered the same deal as the guests. The veterans is probably because they didn't need to bring back more, but what about Corrin and Piranha Plant? They're the only two first-party newcomers in the history of Smash DLC, and neither of them offered a stage, while Corrin only had a pair of songs set to play on a specific stage. You'd think there's more than enough material from Fire Emblem Fates and all the Mario games out there to make something, but there's simply no new places coming with them.
Now, as some people stated, it could be possible that there may be new first-party characters post-Fighters Pass (because being sincere, I believe the fifth character is just another guest), as they pointed out that there's not Three Houses or Astral Chain spirits, while Daemon X Machina got some not too long after releasing. But the possiblity of this just being an odd coincidence that doesn't mean anything to Nintendo characters is also there, and I'd rather not gamble with possibilities until knowing just who the first post-FP character is.
Game idea. You get to pick a fighter pass of 5 all by yourself but there's 2 catches. 1: They have to be third party. 2: They cannot be owned by a company that already has a representative in the game, be it a spirit, mii costume or fighter.
1. Dovahkiin from Skyrim - Bethesda
2. Spyro from Spyro - Activision
3. Scorpion from Mortal Kombat - WB Games (more specifically, Netherrealm Studios)
4. Steve from Minecraft - Mojang (I'm breaking the rules a little with this one)
5. Zeratul from Starcraft - Blizzard (it's never going to happen, but a man can dream)
I commend you for contributing to the safety of the 500 pesos in my pocket. You clearly value my money. (FYI I gambled 500 pesos with a friend to see if Saber would make it to Smash.)
While I do support Saber in Smash (you can kill me now), she has a loooot of drawbacks. First is her perception as more of an anime character in the West instead of her visual novel roots. Second is this community's ire for swordies. I'm not the biggest fan of the Fate series yet to me it's quite the niche.
Fortnite...I'm not a big player of the game yet for game that only rose in popularity like...2 years ago, and is quite the fad, wouldn't it make more sense for it to gain traction as a legitimate game rather than just a representation of the Hype Backlash in that it's available everywhere?
?? I didnt read the thread, I was just replying to what was said to me. That discussion was actually worthwhile unlike the vast majority of "what ifs" this thread has become cuz y'all got nothing to talk about.
?? I didnt read the thread, I was just replying to what was said to me. That discussion was actually worthwhile unlike the vast majority of "what ifs" this thread has become cuz y'all got nothing to talk about.
?? I didnt read the thread, I was just replying to what was said to me. That discussion was actually worthwhile unlike the vast majority of "what ifs" this thread has become cuz y'all got nothing to talk about.
While I do support Saber in Smash (you can kill me now), she has a loooot of drawbacks. First is her perception as more of an anime character in the West instead of her visual novel roots. Second is this community's ire for swordies. I'm not the biggest fan of the Fate series yet to me it's quite the niche.
What fans think about anime or swordsmen didn't prevent us from getting Joker or Hero, I don't think these are legit arguments against Saber's chances. Also, Fate Grand Order is like the most successful gacha games of all times, so Fate is far from being niche.
That being said, I don't think she's likely and I don't want to discuss her because Smash fans get weird about her fast.
?? I didnt read the thread, I was just replying to what was said to me. That discussion was actually worthwhile unlike the vast majority of "what ifs" this thread has become cuz y'all got nothing to talk about.
What fans think about anime or swordsmen didn't prevent us from getting Joker or Hero, I don't think these are legit arguments against Saber's chances. Also, Fate Grand Order is like the most successful gacha games of all times, so Fate is far from being niche.
That being said, I don't think she's likely and I don't want to discuss her because Smash fans get weird about her fast.
Just wait until Nintendo pulls another SNK (except it's Type-Moon) and watch the salt pile up faster than the amount of salt I put in my French Fries today.
I don't know if I'm just an idiot, but I serious can't keep up with this leak right now.
Initially there was a standard Ryu Hayabusa/Geno leak. Then the same leak mutated on to 4Chan as a leak for Fortnite John and Claire Redfield of all characters. Then Sabi sort of gave support to it. Then the original leaker came out and claimed the 4Chan post wasn't really him and was fake, but then Sabi said "no wait it's actually him" I think?
This is turning into a Hideo Kojima fever dream right now.
What fans think about anime or swordsmen didn't prevent us from getting Joker or Hero, I don't think these are legit arguments against Saber's chances. Also, Fate Grand Order is like the most successful gacha games of all times, so Fate is far from being niche.
That being said, I don't think she's likely and I don't want to discuss her because Smash fans get weird about her fast.
I was thinking things along the lines of actual potential evidence, rumors and leaks being what fuel meaningful speculation, rather than pages of DLC prediction lists pulled out of thin air and why Doomguy is the next biggest thing since sliced bread.
Well excuse my wording, I simply meant the vast majority of the thread is filler that leads nowhere and is about nothing in particular. Just like this post. And when there was actual substance to a discussion it got shut down. My gosh I'm wasting my time.
Game idea. You get to pick a fighter pass of 5 all by yourself but there's 2 catches. 1: They have to be third party. 2: They cannot be owned by a company that already has a representative in the game, be it a spirit, mii costume or fighter
My choices here:
1: Miriam Bloodstained from 505 Games
2: Phi from Zero Escape, Aksys
3: Doom Slayer from Bethesda/id
4: Sol Badguy from Arcsys
5: Crash from Activision
I don't know if I'm just an idiot, but I serious can't keep up with this leak right now.
Initially there was a standard Ryu Hayabusa/Geno leak. Then the same leak mutated on to 4Chan as a leak for Fortnite John and Claire Redfield of all characters. Then Sabi sort of gave support to it. Then the original leaker came out and claimed the 4Chan post wasn't really him and was fake, but then Sabi said "no wait it's actually him" I think?
This is turning into a Hideo Kojima fever dream right now.
I was thinking things along the lines of actual potential evidence, rumors and leaks being what fuel meaningful speculation, rather than pages of DLC prediction lists pulled out of thin air and why Doomguy is the next biggest thing since sliced bread.
Well excuse my wording, I simply meant the vast majority of the thread is filler that leads nowhere and is about nothing in particular. Just like this post. And when there was actual substance to a discussion it got shut down. My gosh I'm wasting my time.
I don't know if I'm just an idiot, but I serious can't keep up with this leak right now.
Initially there was a standard Ryu Hayabusa/Geno leak. Then the same leak mutated on to 4Chan as a leak for Fortnite John and Claire Redfield of all characters. Then Sabi sort of gave support to it. Then the original leaker came out and claimed the 4Chan post wasn't really him and was fake, but then Sabi said "no wait it's actually him" I think?
This is turning into a Hideo Kojima fever dream right now.
I’ll never understand how serious some people take their hatred for a videogame character. I don’t care if they dislike them, like they wouldn’t personally choose them or want them, it’s just things like how they’d be happy for a character’s fans to be disappointed; how they have to gatekeep the character as much as possible to the point they’re sometimes hypocritical or they argue points that are either already broken/blatantly false or are just an opinion, not a fact that would keep the character out; or how the character is, somehow, “objectively” a stain on a virtual roster when they can easily just use them as a punching bag or frickin deal with it instead of being jerks about it.
Pretty stupid and selfish. It’s not just disliking the character, it’s plain dumb selfishness. It’s a frickin videogame; not only is that much hatred silly, if one character ruins your experience so badly that you’re nearly obsessed with keeping them out or completely hating their existence as if they’re a real person and tried to get with your wife and poison your water supply, then maybe the game isn’t for you in the first place, and maybe you’re “a bit” too heated from something, idk what.
Like, regarding what I said about Jonesy, I wouldn’t even care if he got in; I don’t hate him or Fortnite, it’s just...I don’t know, but really, I’ve felt similar before and quickly felt better, as I really don’t agree with the line of thinking; it doesn’t even make sense, first of all (a character getting in over another/stealing their slot). I already don’t care so much, though, and I’d likely actually enjoy Jonesy, especially if he had the default dance.
I’ll never understand how serious some people take their hatred for a videogame character. I don’t care if they dislike them, like they wouldn’t personally choose them or want them, it’s just things like how they’d be happy for a character’s fans to be disappointed; how they have to gatekeep the character as much as possible to the point they’re sometimes hypocritical or they argue points that are either already broken/blatantly false or are just an opinion, not a fact that would keep the character out; or how the character is, somehow, “objectively” a stain on a virtual roster when they can easily just use them as a punching bag or frickin deal with it instead of being jerks about it.
Pretty stupid and selfish. It’s not just disliking the character, it’s plain dumb selfishness. It’s a frickin videogame; not only is that much hatred silly, if one character ruins your experience so badly that you’re nearly obsessed with keeping them out or completely hating their existence as if they’re a real person and tried to get with your wife and poison your water supply, then maybe the game isn’t for you in the first place, and maybe you’re “a bit” too heated from something, idk what.
Like, regarding what I said about Jonesy, I wouldn’t even care if he got in; I don’t hate him or Fortnite, it’s just...I don’t know, but really, I’ve felt similar before and quickly felt better, as I really don’t agree with the line of thinking; it doesn’t even make sense, first of all (a character getting in over another/stealing their slot). I already don’t care so much, though, and I’d likely actually enjoy Jonesy, especially if he had the default dance.
True, I wouldn’t get that mad even if saber got in smash, it’s just too much negative energy to put into a video game, positive energy like my love for LBP is different
First party characters could also be seen as harder sells given that, in your case, they'd come with less content alongside lacking the potential to draw in new fans and add to the mass crossover celebration of gaming that is Smash Bros for Nintendo.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if all of our DLC fighters are 3rd parties. 1st parties have their time to shine in the base roster, and DLC is the best time for third parties since profit sharing is easier.
While I think the chances of certain characters that Absolutely Have To Get In Because No Spirit™ are overrated, "third parties are more hype" has essentially become "I want to believe the public is programmed to refuse all Nintendo characters and accept all third-parties". You have to convince outsiders that a character is cool regardless of what company owns them anyway, because I'm sure a lot of Hero players outside of Japan are more focused on their crazy spells than how much Japan loves DQ.
Gameplay and series are completely unrelated to the point I was making, I'm not saying add Walmart Cashier Lady because she's relatable instead of a male character you think is important enough to be in Smash. I don't understand why everyone can justify "Hero is popular in Japan so it makes sense, Banjo is popular in the west so it makes sense, Terry is important to Latin America, not everything is about you" but when it comes to any other minorities that doesn't apply. Doesn't matter how important a character is to them- and we're talking realistic characters not Beyonce- their opinion doesn't matter.
"I don't understand why everyone can justify "Hero is popular in Japan so it makes sense, Banjo is popular in the west so it makes sense, Terry is important to Latin America, not everything is about you" but when it comes to any other minorities that doesn't apply."
I agree with this somewhat. I think the "appealing to x group" argument is stupid. Banjo & Kazooie got in due to their massive fan demand. True, a lot of those fans are American, but that doesn't mean all of them are. Terry likely got in for the same reason as Joker: Sakurai liked him/his game series/one of the games in his series. (Then again, he also liked Geno, Takamaru, and *COUGH COUGH* MiNeCRaFt.) Terry's series, King of Fighters, just happens to be the hot stuff in Mexico. (However, again, it still has followings in the U.S. and Japan.) Yeah, Dragon Quest has a HUGE Japanese following, but there's still a decent following in the U.S. and Europe, so I don't understand what's going on there. And then there's Joker, whose game, like the other fighters, has a decent following in Japan and U.S.A. Even if you go by console, the argument falls apart. If Nintendo/SORA/Sakurai wanted a PlayStation rep, wouldn't they go ask Sony for someone like Kratos or Sackboy? Oh, and surely Banjo got in due to Nintendo and Microsoft being buddy-buddy with each other, nevermind that Banjo has had a high amount of fan demand since fricken Melee. Overall, I just find this argument plain stupid.
The thing with first-party characters is not just the intention of wanting new players (even though that's important as well) but the fact that history doesn't play in their favour.
As DaybreakHorizon
stated, these characters would come with less content. Why? Because in the history of Smash DLC, we've had a total of 11 characters, and none of the Nintendo ones offered the same deal as the guests. The veterans is probably because they didn't need to bring back more, but what about Corrin and Piranha Plant? They're the only two first-party newcomers in the history of Smash DLC, and neither of them offered a stage, while Corrin only had a pair of songs set to play on a specific stage. You'd think there's more than enough material from Fire Emblem Fates and all the Mario games out there to make something, but there's simply no new places coming with them.
Now, as some people stated, it could be possible that there may be new first-party characters post-Fighters Pass (because being sincere, I believe the fifth character is just another guest), as they pointed out that there's not Three Houses or Astral Chain spirits, while Daemon X Machina got some not too long after releasing. But the possiblity of this just being an odd coincidence that doesn't mean anything to Nintendo characters is also there, and I'd rather not gamble with possibilities until knowing just who the first post-FP character is.
Yeah, I can see the final FP character being a third-party. I would bet on post-pass slots as being the first-party fighters. However, I don't understand why first parties in general (other than Dragalia Lost, Astral Chain, etc.) would come with anything. Their respective series are already in the game. While I see Super Mario Bros 1-2 could've returned with Piranha Plant, it didn't...
Game idea. You get to pick a fighter pass of 5 all by yourself but there's 2 catches. 1: They have to be third party. 2: They cannot be owned by a company that already has a representative in the game, be it a spirit, mii costume or fighter
Just wait until Nintendo pulls another SNK (except it's Type-Moon) and watch the salt pile up faster than the amount of salt I put in my French Fries today.
I was thinking things along the lines of actual potential evidence, rumors and leaks being what fuel meaningful speculation, rather than pages of DLC prediction lists pulled out of thin air and why Doomguy is the next biggest thing since sliced bread.
Well excuse my wording, I simply meant the vast majority of the thread is filler that leads nowhere and is about nothing in particular. Just like this post. And when there was actual substance to a discussion it got shut down. My gosh I'm wasting my time.
Are you implying that politics have any substance, let alone on a site made for grown men by grown men about a children's party game?
There are boards here for more serious discussion such as politics, I think.
I’ll never understand how serious some people take their hatred for a videogame character. I don’t care if they dislike them, like they wouldn’t personally choose them or want them, it’s just things like how they’d be happy for a character’s fans to be disappointed; how they have to gatekeep the character as much as possible to the point they’re sometimes hypocritical or they argue points that are either already broken/blatantly false or are just an opinion, not a fact that would keep the character out; or how the character is, somehow, “objectively” a stain on a virtual roster when they can easily just use them as a punching bag or frickin deal with it instead of being jerks about it.
Pretty stupid and selfish. It’s not just disliking the character, it’s plain dumb selfishness. It’s a frickin videogame; not only is that much hatred silly, if one character ruins your experience so badly that you’re nearly obsessed with keeping them out or completely hating their existence as if they’re a real person and tried to get with your wife and poison your water supply, then maybe the game isn’t for you in the first place, and maybe you’re “a bit” too heated from something, idk what.
Like, regarding what I said about Jonesy, I wouldn’t even care if he got in; I don’t hate him or Fortnite, it’s just...I don’t know, but really, I’ve felt similar before and quickly felt better, as I really don’t agree with the line of thinking; it doesn’t even make sense, first of all (a character getting in over another/stealing their slot). I already don’t care so much, though, and I’d likely actually enjoy Jonesy, especially if he had the default dance.
I wouldn't mind Saber, but I think she's more of an anime character. I don't even give a **** about the sex scenes in her VN. Regarding the anime point though, I actually feel the same way about Agumon. Like, the average person thinks of the Digimon anime, so why put Agumon in this "video game museum"? Also, I had a huuge Digimon phase when I was a kid, so I'm not unknowledgable about the subject.
While I think the chances of certain characters that Absolutely Have To Get In Because No Spirit™ are overrated, "third parties are more hype" has essentially become "I want to believe the public is programmed to refuse all Nintendo characters and accept all third-parties". You have to convince outsiders that a character is cool regardless of what company owns them anyway, because I'm sure a lot of Hero players outside of Japan are more focused on their crazy spells than how much Japan loves DQ.
Where in my post did I say, "third parties are more hype" in my post? I didn't.
I simply said that third party characters have the benefit of drawing in new fans to Smash Bros., which is true considering the large overlap that exists between fans of Nintendo series and fans of Smash. This overlap doesn't necessarily exist when it comes to third party franchises, and the possibility of drawing in new fans while appealing to existing fans via inclusions like Lloyd Irving, Phoenix Wright, etc. is more appealing from a business standpoint than just appealing to existing fans (except where large demand exists i.e. Geno, Rex & Pyra, Waluigi, etc.). The "adding to the crossover that is Smash" part is mainly based on what Sakurai and Nintendo seem to be going for in that they're going after as many new series as possible.
I feel like Sabi just piggy backed on a leak that had Jonesy in it just to get out there that she'd heard that name. But she did it in the most wishy washy non-comittal way. Especially since it throws into doubt what might still be a credible leak
Since she doesn't cover leaks like PapaGenos everyone immediately jumps on it, even if it completely fails every sniff test. She keeps doing stuff like this she's going to lose what goodwill she got from her non-Nintendo e3 leaks.
If Jonesy does end being a playable character I have to imagine its Tencent money talking to Nintendo rather than any actual fan demand.
So here's the funny thing to me, and you can quote me on it: I can assure you that now that Jonesy has been brought up in a "leak", more people will be supporting them/adding them to their hypothetical lists.
So here's the funny thing to me, and you can quote me on it: I can assure you that now that Jonesy has been brought up in a "leak", more people will be supporting them/adding them to their hypothetical lists.
I didn't even know the default skin had a name. Neat.
Anyway, Jonsey would be... A thing. I suppose I have always wanted a terraformer in Smash, and Fortnite is about as terra-formy as you can get.
I sincerely doubt this leak regardless of where or who it comes from. But I'm not about to flat out hate any character, even if I'd rather not have them.
