Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Opossum]

I'm still not understanding why people think Lara Croft is likely at all

In her favor, there's the fact that she's a major gaming icon that is owned by a Japanese company, theoretically aiding in negotiations. Her lack of notoriety in Japan, specifically, is what makes her less likely to me, but I feel the same way about Doom honestly.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'm still not understanding why people think Lara Croft is likely at all

There's a good reason.

Legacy and gaming history.

On top ofpopularity in the East he was added due to beginning JRPG.

Then there's Terry whose franchise pretty much inspired Smash Bros given the shield blocks and such. Not many people expected Terry.

Given Lara was an 90's icon and THE female video game protagonist. Its a good idea to worth keeping an eye on her. Yes she maybe not popular in the East but this could be the case with the West as Hero was in the East who I recall isn't popular in the West IIRC.

In her favor, there's the fact that she's a major gaming icon that is owned by a Japanese company, theoretically aiding in negotiations. Her lack of notoriety in Japan, specifically, is what makes her less likely to me, but I feel the same way about Doom honestly.

You could say the same thing aboutin the West. How they appease Eastern audiences over there the same they could do here for people in the West.

 

[Opossum]

You could say the same thing aboutin the West. How they appease Eastern audiences over there the same they could do here for people in the West.

There's a BIG difference between the Home Team and the Away Team. We've gotten many more characters who were popular in Japan but obscure in the west than the opposite.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'll be surprised if Lara doesn't make it since as said she's an major gaming icon like Crash was in the 90's. Also many people slept on Terry and didn't expect him and he got added given his games inspired Smash and to appease Latin people which his series is big there.

 

[TheTuninator]

There's a BIG difference between the Home Team and the Away Team. We've gotten many more characters who were popular in Japan but obscure in the west than the opposite.

To be fair, is this still the case? Smash is so popular worldwide now that I think the inclusions for SSB4 and SSBU have been very even-handed, or favoring the West, if anything. Ridley, Little Mac, K. Rool, Banjo, Bayonetta, etc. Wasn't even Simon more popular in the West? The only JP-centric rep from the past two cycles I can think of is Hero. Splatoon's the most popular in Japan, but it's very big over here too, so Inkling is definitely a "global" rep.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

was also added because despite being from an 1st party franchise was added due to Western demand.

 

[NoBS]

I know it's not gonna be like, "we need at least a female character", even though that is my number one demand at this point, but aren;t you bothered by the lack of it? If you had a female companion who is interested in buying the DLC, wouldn't she be frustrated by this?

Bro you are so off the mark I don’t know where to start.

THE GAME IS BIG BECAUSE OF SAKURAI PICKING BIG CHARACTERS.

If a girl isn’t excited at the prospect of possibly getting doom guy, ryu hayabusa etc all the other biggest game reps who happen to be male not in the game then maybe this isn’t the game for her. Instead of dumbing down the game for us, she can play snk heroines.


Secondly, I would bet money that the number one requested rep from females is SORA, ANOTHER MALE. People like who they like regardless of gender. You are trying to force diversity when I find it unlikely that female gamers even want another female character most of all. Sora would attract more female gamers than any female character would from some franchise that girls don’t even play that you want in.


Arguments on forced diversity are completely idiotic. It isn’t the spirit of the game, it isn’t what’s going to attract the most female gamers, it isn’t anything except for your skewed perception of reality.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I really do think you're selling Edelgard short here. I'd definitely put her on equal footing with Byleth. Just writing her off as "not the protagonist" is writing her off too easily when

Spoiler: Implied Three Houses spoilers

She's the co-protagonist of the first half of Silver Snow before becoming a major antagonist, she's the co-protagonist for the entirety of Crimson Flower, she's a major antagonist in Verdant Wind, and she's the MAIN antagonist of Azure Moon.

Add onto that the fact that she's the face of the game's marketing (she was the focus of the first trailer, she's getting a figma, and she was used alongside female Byleth as the headliner of Three Houses's debut banner in Heroes), her already high popularity (given the game's official deployment stats), and the fact that the game's main theme (Edge of Dawn) is literally about her and sung from her perspective, and she definitely has a case. The fact that Sakurai has been on record saying he wished more heroes used axes helps as well.

Also Sheeda is just the outdated European translation of Caeda, lol.

She'll always be Sheeda to me dammit. What's next, Sakurai's favourite FE character isn't Nabarl?

 

[Guynamednelson]

Wasn't even Simon more popular in the West? The only JP-centric rep from the past two cycles I can think of is Hero.

Richter is meant for the Japanese audience who prefers him over Simon.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

There's a good reason.

Legacy and gaming history.

On top ofpopularity in the East he was added due to beginning JRPG.

Then there's Terry whose franchise pretty much inspired Smash Bros given the shield blocks and such. Not many people expected Terry.

Given Lara was an 90's icon and THE female video game protagonist. Its a good idea to worth keeping an eye on her. Yes she maybe not popular in the East but this could be the case with the West as Hero was in the East who I recall isn't popular in the West IIRC.

You could say the same thing aboutin the West. How they appease Eastern audiences over there the same they could do here for people in the West.

I mean, Dragon Quest 8 is popular enough to the point enough western fans kicked and screamed until Square decided to give us the 3ds remake outside of Japan, not sure if Lara Croft would be in the same boat

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I really do think you're selling Edelgard short here. I'd definitely put her on equal footing with Byleth. Just writing her off as "not the protagonist" is writing her off too easily when

Spoiler: Implied Three Houses spoilers

She's the co-protagonist of the first half of Silver Snow before becoming a major antagonist, she's the co-protagonist for the entirety of Crimson Flower, she's a major antagonist in Verdant Wind, and she's the MAIN antagonist of Azure Moon.

Add onto that the fact that she's the face of the game's marketing (she was the focus of the first trailer, she's getting a figma, and she was used alongside female Byleth as the headliner of Three Houses's debut banner in Heroes), her already high popularity (given the game's official deployment stats), and the fact that the game's main theme (Edge of Dawn) is literally about her and sung from her perspective, and she definitely has a case. The fact that Sakurai has been on record saying he wished more heroes used axes helps as well.

Still despite all of that going for Edelgard, I feel Byleth would still be chosen solely for the fact that they're the protagonists of the game. I know that it's a massive cop out but it has been one of the most consistent patterns of introducing new series or new games of the series to Super Smash Bros since it's debut on the Nintendo 64. Pikachu is the only one that could be debated but even if Pikachu is the exception, since then not one side character has been introduced into the series before a Protagonist.

Also Sheeda is just the outdated European translation of Caeda, lol.

Ooops...

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I mean, Dragon Quest 8 is popular enough to the point enough western fans kicked and screamed until Square decided to give us the 3ds remake outside of Japan, not sure if Lara Croft would be in the same boat

I've never followed on Dragon Quest always thought outside of Japan it wasn't that popular like Fire Emblem was before being in Melee which sparked its popularity in the west.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I've never followed on Dragon Quest always thought outside of Japan it wasn't that popular like Fire Emblem was before being in Melee which sparked its popularity in the west.

Neither have I but I frequently saw 9 get discussed here when it was new and 8's remake coming to Europe was pretty much everywhere I went

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Regardless I still say its worth keeping an eye on Lara Croft.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

None of the male characters who are in are in solely because they're male, but rather for...
-Sakurai likes Persona 5 and King of Fighters
-Dragon Quest heroes, as well as Banjo & Kazooie, had a lot of fan demand behind them

"That's not the kind of diversity we're talking about. Because a lot of the characters and traits you mentioned are male coded."
Male coded? What even is that?

"... the fact that you can't even entertain the idea of "female" being as valid a request as the myriad other ones that come into this thread show just how toxic and full of misinformation this debate has become."
First of all, Shantaeposters say hello. Second, there wouldn't be such a stigma if people actually had reasons for their female character to get in other than "it's a girl". (I have no problem with girls in Smash. If I did, I'd be boycotting the ones already in the game.)

"...there might be a lesbian out who's favourite game character is Tracer and who never thought to play Smash before. This kind of representation does mean a lot to people. And the fact that you can sit there and deny that speaks to your privelge."
Overwatch was never on Switch until recently, so why would they think to play Smash? How does representation mean anything? (Americans totally love the idea of Terry Bogard in Smash, and surely they must also love Snake and Little Mac for being American.) And- *sees "privilege"* I'm not even gonna bother with that one.

"Because most media fixates on the straight white male."
Citation needed. Also, what does that have to do with Smash?

None of the female options I propose to address this issue would be in just because they're female, and I know that the characters currently in the Fighter's Pass for their own reasons and not because of their gender. My point was to push the ideas of representation through characters that are actually quite beloved by a number of people from games that are equally, if not more beloved. And more specifically, I'm trying to get those in support of female characters to address the diversity issue to rally behind characters that people will have a harder time fighting back against (I mean, the Smash Bubble will always rail against every character that isn't for them, but that's another conversation) and solidify the movement beyond "female" fighter in general to more specific goals to result in change and inclusions in the roster form notable female characters.

Male coded refers to the fact that many of the genres and archetypes you mentioned are primarily dominated by male main characters. There's reason for that given that earlier video games were heavily targeted at the young male middle class population in the US during the 1980s and 1990s, but it's still a reality that males lead a disproportional amount of video games compared to female characters and characters of color (which is in an even worse state than the already lacking female percentage of lead characters). You can have all these really diverse "types of characters," without actually having diverse fighters when it comes to crucial facets of your identity such as race, gender, and sexuality. A great deal of characters have diverse "character traits", but they themselves are not inherently diverse in other areas that can be crucial to your lived experience. Gender will determine a great number of the pressures you face in life and inherently does create a different set of expectations from those born as males through society's gender roles and traditional modes of thinking.

Just wanting a female fighter isn't really an invalid stance to take regarding character desires. The Smash community treats it as such with an alarming frequency because they're determined to keep their ideas of "how characters work and should be included" above all else, but liking a character because they're a strong female character is just as valid as "This characters look cool" or "I like the game they're from." People like characters for all sorts of "seemingly inconsequential and or 'shallow" reasons" (keep in mind I'm not saying any of these things are inherently shallow, I'm just saying they have been perceived as such by some members of the Smash community at different points). You're in no position to tell someone their reason for wanting a character "isn't enough" and nobody here is. You can speculate chances all day, but a person's desire for a character cannot be challenged as its a personal opinion that they have chosen to express and they are incredibly unlikely to change their mind regarding such ideas. There is no "acceptable reason" for wanting a character in Smash. There is just your reason for wanting a character.

As for Overwatch, people do own more than one console these days and the internet gives you access to basically every game you may not personally play. A person can watch hours of Overwatch content on the YouTube app on the Switch if they want without ever actually playing it for example. Smash is kind of massive phenomenon that reaches out to people across almost all of gaming at this point, and can draw people in with character inclusions, particularly as the Switch itself becomes a more attractive option for gamers everywhere and includes more titles. I don't see an argument against people wanting Tracer or possibly getting into Smash through a theoretical Tracer. Smash isn't that niche to where it's impossible to conceive of such a reality happening.

Representation means something because you want to see yourself on the screen and characters that come from your background represented. It doesn't have to be that way for everyone, but there are a number of people who appreciate the fact that they're lived experience is in some way represented by a character on the screen, even if it's just race, gender, or sexuality. Coming from mediums that don't always do the best job at portraying those sorts of things or don't feature them in prominent roles, a playable character can mean a lot to people, or a seen in which women are given a moment of empowerment (such as in Avengers Endgame when all of the woman heroes have their big scene against Thanos) can mean the world to someone who understands the rarity of such moments in much of media and even fiction as a whole. If you don't see it, that's fine, but you can't impose your personal feelings on to others who do see representation as a relevant topic. In the same way that Geno can be a character pick for his fans, a character that is a pick that people rally behind through or because of representation is a pick for them. You may not like them or what they "stand for" or whatever, but they're not for you and that's OK. Look up, "Why representation matters" and read some of the literature on that subject to see how it stands to benefit people and can be a great positive to see themselves or people of their experience realized in entertainment products and society in general.

I mean, Smash is media, so the fact media focuses primarily on hetero-normative white characters is relevant. That's what media has primarily been designed to appeal to. The early days of the film industry entirely promoted such characters, and that trend generally has carried over until fairly recently. As I mentioned earlier, video game companies targeted a young male, middle class audience primarily in the 1980s, 1990s, and even most of the early 2000s and designed characters to primarily appeal to those individuals. Most of the authors across the canonical literary fields were white males that could afford to exclusively write from positions of either nobility or wealth that were not subject to prejudices levied against individuals from different backgrounds that were considered "not real writers" or "low art." Media has made a lot of headway in recent years, but there's still much more progress to be made. Almost all forms of media were initially produced either by or for white male, heterosexual audiences. They've become more open to ideas and specifically, noticed profitability in other areas once you get closer to the modern era... but there's still a disproportionate number of characters that trend towards white males leading things like video games. I mean, look how hard we have to work to come up with a solid list of female lead franchises and titles. Look how much harder than that it is to find lead characters of color in games. And how many of those options also reinforce negative stereotypes or lack the depth of other main characters for this reason or that? Games in particular have focused on a more narrow section of consumers, and thus reflect a focus on hetero-normative white male consumers.

 

[Opossum]

Still despite all of that going for Edelgard, I feel Byleth would still be chosen solely for the fact that they're the protagonists of the game. I know that it's a massive cop out but it has been one of the most consistent patterns of introducing new series or new games of the series to Super Smash Bros since it's debut on the Nintendo 64. Pikachu is the only one that could be debated but even if Pikachu is the exception, since then not one side character has been introduced into the series before a Protagonist.



Ooops...

I think the main disconnect here is this: a game can have more than one protagonist.

And even then, there's already precedence for something like the situation of Edelgard getting in over Byleth: Robin. Robin is Awakening's co-protagonist like Edelgard is for Three Houses. Chrom is, by and large, Awakening's main protagonist, with the game's final act being the only one that's arguably in Robin's favor. But Robin got in first due to being less redundant in Sakurai's eyes. And we know that Sakurai has at least a passing interest in axe users.

 

[NintenZ]

Here’s my ranking of Xenoblade characters I’d like to see in Smash:

A: Fiora, Elma
B: Lora, Jin & Haze, Melia
C: KOS-MOS
D: Rex & Pyra

Either way I just want some sort of Xenoblade character that isn’t just Shulk, it’s such an incredible series and the fact that Sakurai hasn’t added another character despite the amount of growth the series has undergone staggers me.

 

[Calamitas]

I'm still not understanding why people think Lara Croft is likely at all

Because in this day and age, it has obviously been 100% confirmed that all Smash DLC ever will be third-party, because it has been scientifically proven that it's impossible that first-party DLC fighters could ever sell to anyone. Please do ignore the Piranha Plant which was the first DLC character for this game. Any third-party character is obviously far more likely than first-party character, regardless of origin.

Sorry for derailing that into another third-parties vs first-parties thing

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Here’s my ranking of Xenoblade characters I’d like to see in Smash:

A: Fiora, Elma
B: Lora, Jin & Haze, Melia
C: KOS-MOS
D: Rex & Pyra

Either way I just want some sort of Xenoblade character that isn’t just Shulk, it’s such an incredible series and the fact that Sakurai hasn’t added another character despite the amount of growth the series has undergone staggers me.

I mean, Xenoblade didn't really explode until XC2 and that was well after the project plan for Ultimate, which was made around the time Xenoblade Chronicles X mostly just did OK. So there wasn't really a place for one there (and I don't know which of the 7 unique fighters could be dropped from the base roster, King K. Rool, Ridley and Simon were all requests, Isabelle and Inkling were too important, Plant was Sakurai's pet project, and Incineroar was the Pokemon spot). Then you have a season of DLC focused entirely around third party newcomers, and only KOS-MOS fits that, and she's in a kind of weird position to begin with as a Xenosaga rep more so.

There's just not really been much opportunity for one yet and Xenoblade has only more recently taken off as much. At the time of Smash 4, getting Shulk in was the clear priority and it's DLC really only offered the place for one such first party addition and it ended up being Corrin was other reasons. Xenoblade has a really damn good shot when we return to first party choices.

Because in this day and age, it has obviously been 100% confirmed that all Smash DLC ever will be third-party, because it has been scientifically proven that it's impossible that first-party DLC fighters could ever sell to anyone. Please do ignore the Piranha Plant which was the first DLC character for this game. Any third-party character is obviously far more likely than first-party character, regardless of origin.

Sorry for derailing that into another third-parties vs first-parties thing

This has little to do with how Lara Croft is considered likely. She's currently Square Enix's biggest character not in the game, and she was the face of women in video games for a while that people have a lot of nostalgia for in addition to starring in a pretty notable reboot series. But beyond that, you're distorting the argument people make in favor of third parties through hyperbole, which isn't going to help anything and makes your "apology for derailing" seem hollow TBH.

Also, Plant was totally intended for base roster, so I don't really count him as the first DLC when he more or less just ended up there either because of development troubles or to give people an incentive to buy Ultimate early through a free character.

 

[DarthEnderX]

On an unrelated note, what gaming genre's are left that don't have any unique characters so far?
I suppose there is first person shooters, visual novels, rythm games, survival horror and puzzle games, anything else?

BEAT-EM-UPS!

Give me my Kunio!

 

[Calamitas]

I mean, Xenoblade didn't really explode until XC2 and that was well after the project plan for Ultimate, which was made around the time Xenoblade Chronicles X mostly just did OK. So there wasn't really a place for one there (and I don't know which of the 7 unique fighters could be dropped from the base roster, King K. Rool, Ridley and Simon were all requests, Isabelle and Inkling were too important, Plant was Sakurai's pet project, and Incineroar was the Pokemon spot). Then you have a season of DLC focused entirely around third party newcomers, and only KOS-MOS fits that, and she's in a kind of weird position to begin with as a Xenosaga rep more so.

There's just not really been much opportunity for one yet and Xenoblade has only more recently taken off as much. At the time of Smash 4, getting Shulk in was the clear priority and it's DLC really only offered the place for one such first party addition and it ended up being Corrin was other reasons. Xenoblade has a really damn good shot when we return to first party choices.

X was still a million-seller, which, when considering that it was on the Wii U, is still pretty good.

 

[NoBS]

Every time I see someone talk about “diversity issue” in smash I chuckle. That’s a made up statement especially when it applies to women, there are far more women repped than essentially all other minorities. How many black characters are there? Seen any Indian fighters lately?

People pushing for diversity would ruin this game.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

X was still a million-seller, which, when considering that it was on the Wii U, is still pretty good.

I'm not saying it's bad, but I'm saying it isn't indicative of the bigger success that 2 would eventually see and help kickstart Xenoblade further as a bigger title for Nintendo. It also never actually broke a million and got some weird critical reception because of how different it was. X is just in a weird position all around and wasn't quite making the waves it maybe should have in 2015 when it released. It's in desperate need of a Switch port to be honest to actually get it more out there.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Every time I see someone talk about “diversity issue” in smash I chuckle. That’s a made up statement especially when it applies to women, there are far more women repped than essentially all other minorities. How many black characters are there? Seen any Indian fighters lately?

People pushing for diversity would ruin this game.

This ************'s really saying Sol Badguy would ruin Smash huh

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Every time I see someone talk about “diversity issue” in smash I chuckle. That’s a made up statement especially when it applies to women, there are far more women repped than essentially all other minorities. How many black characters are there? Seen any Indian fighters lately?

People pushing for diversity would ruin this game.

Really dude? People act like you can't push for diversity with sensible options that don't do anything to negatively impact the game. And if including some additional female characters or those of color that are also notable and liked characters in their own right would "ruin" the game despite all of the rest of the content that still caters to you and millions of others, then you've got some ****ed up sense of "purity" about Smash.

 

[osby]

Every time I see someone talk about “diversity issue” in smash I chuckle. That’s a made up statement especially when it applies to women, there are far more women repped than essentially all other minorities. How many black characters are there? Seen any Indian fighters lately?

People pushing for diversity would ruin this game.

Since when women are a minority?

 

[NoBS]

This ************'s really saying Sol Badguy would ruin Smash huh

If you forced him in during melee because you complained about the diversity rather than other big characters then yes. Sol did not deserve to make it in based on diversity.

At this point he would be cool because we have so many characters that adding a fighting game rep from each major fighter would be cool, and they would all be men.

Nothing should be based on diversity.

 

[Calamitas]

Every time I see someone talk about “diversity issue” in smash I chuckle. That’s a made up statement especially when it applies to women, there are far more women repped than essentially all other minorities. How many black characters are there? Seen any Indian fighters lately?

People pushing for diversity would ruin this game.

Oof I'm almost cutting myself on all that edge

 

[Nquoid]

Since when women are a minority?

It refers to the political/social minority. Rather than physical one. Despite women being ~50% of the population they still get over shadowed or discriminated in areas like politics or pop culture. And its only recently strives are being made to bring about a kind of parity.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

If you forced him in during melee because you complained about the diversity rather than other big characters then yes. Sol did not deserve to make it in based on diversity.

At this point he would be cool because we have so many characters that adding a fighting game rep from each major fighter would be cool, and they would all be men.

Nothing should be based on diversity.

Even ignoring how ****ing dumb you and many others are by acting like diversity is the ONE and ONLY reason people would want specific characters, you saying DoA's protag is a dude?


Also side question, do you feel there are certain franchises in Smash that are underrepresented?

 

[NoBS]

Really dude? People act like you can't push for diversity with sensible options that don't do anything to negatively impact the game. And if including some additional female characters or those of color that are also notable and liked characters in their own right would "ruin" the game despite all of the rest of the content that still caters to you and millions of others, then you've got some ****ed up sense of "purity" about Smash.

Your argument doesn’t make sense, you’re only arguing for diversity for one character now that we have a ****load of characters? Then you’re not really arguing for diversity and are just using a buzzword. Cause that’s not diversity in the eyes of most. If you’re upset about previous picks because you want more females then you’re wrong.


Perhaps I don’t have an issue since I agree with sakurais picks, perhaps you have an issue for trying to force the creator to adhere to your vision of what the game should be.

 

[Deleted member]

If you forced him in during melee because you complained about the diversity rather than other big characters then yes. Sol did not deserve to make it in based on diversity.

At this point he would be cool because we have so many characters that adding a fighting game rep from each major fighter would be cool, and they would all be men.

Nothing should be based on diversity.

No character has ever gotten in because of diversity. Wanting female representation isn't going to make Sakurai bend over backwards. Knowing this fact, your posts seem more like a rant than an actual call for discussion.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Perhaps you have an issue for trying to force the creator to adhere to your vision of what the game should be.

Ok but doesn't this literally apply to everyone requesting literally anything in Smash? Wanting Sakurai to adhere to their visions?

 

[Deleted member]

Perhaps I don’t have an issue since I agree with sakurais picks, perhaps you have an issue for trying to force the creator to adhere to your vision of what the game should be.

Literally no one has forced Sakurai to do anything in regards to the roster. You're speaking gibberish.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I think the main disconnect here is this: a game can have more than one protagonist.

And even then, there's already precedence for something like the situation of Edelgard getting in over Byleth: Robin. Robin is Awakening's co-protagonist like Edelgard is for Three Houses. Chrom is, by and large, Awakening's main protagonist, with the game's final act being the only one that's arguably in Robin's favor. But Robin got in first due to being less redundant in Sakurai's eyes. And we know that Sakurai has at least a passing interest in axe users.

I don't know, Robin just seems to hurt Edelgard's chances more since from what you have said she is more of an antagonist than a protagonist while with Robin sure, he is secondary to Chrom is still a protagonist and a prevalent one throughout the entire game.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I don't know, Robin just seems to hurt Edelgard's chances more since from what you have said she is more of an antagonist than a protagonist while with Robin sure, he is secondary to Chrom is still a protagonist and a prevalent one throughout the entire game.

Wait hold up.
Robin being secondary to Chrom, a prevalent protag, hurts Edelgard, a major character regardless of your actual route, who's second only to Byleth? That... doesn't seem right, especially as Byleth isn't nearly as important for the story

 

[NoBS]

Even ignoring how ****ing dumb you and many others are by acting like diversity is the ONE and ONLY reason people would want specific characters, you saying DoA's protag is a dude?

I’m not acting like that, donkey Kong country is one of my favorite games and if Dixie Kong got in I would be happy about it, but you know who deserved to get in before her? Donkey kong, Diddy kong, K Rool. All males. When I say I would be happy for her it doesn’t mean that she gets to override all the big male heavy hitters that have the potential to come still, we may or may not get her and I’m fine with that. That’s what I’m talking about, her fake female genitalia is irrelevant to this conversation. Make your case for your character without even bringing up her imaginary vagina.


It’s easily argued that Ryu Hayabusa would be considered as a DOA rep since that’s all he’s in anymore.

But if it was Kasumi she shouldn’t get in until scorpion/sub zero, heihachi, etc all males, because her fighter is not as popular, and if you forced her to the front because her fake genitalia then again you are wrong.

 

[KatKit]

Out of the fighting game reps people are asking for, I think I've seen Tekken/Soul Calibur and ArcSys reps the most, with the occasional Mortal Kombat thrown in. You know what would be kinda cool? A Killer Instinct rep. That's the one fighter I haven't really gotten a chance to play (and I've played almost everything under the sun from Dark Awake: The King has no Name to Koihime Enbu).

Jago or Black Orchid would be the likely picks.

 

[osby]

So, let me see.

Wanting the final fighter in the pass be not a human to diverse them from Joker, Terry and Hero? Good.
Wanting the final fighter in the pass be female to diverse her from Joker, Terry, Hero and Banjo? Forced, political and bad.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I’m not acting like that, donkey Kong country is one of my favorite games and if Dixie Kong got in I would be happy about it, but you know who deserved to get in before her? Donkey kong, Diddy kong, K Rool. All males. When I say I would be happy for her it doesn’t mean that she gets to override all the big male heavy hitters that have the potential to come still, we may or may not get her and I’m fine with that. That’s what I’m talking about, her fake female genitalia is irrelevant to this conversation. Make your case for your character without even bringing up her imaginary vagina.


It’s easily argued that Ryu Hayabusa would be considered as a DOA rep since that’s all he’s in anymore.

But if it was Kasumi she shouldn’t get in until scorpion/sub zero, heihachi, etc all males, becauseher fighter is not as popular, and if you forced her to the front because her fake genitalia then again you are wrong.

Why are we talking about vaginas this is about the Indian dude who screams "BORUKANIKU BAIPAAAA" on wakeup