Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[N3ON]

If one wants to entertain a Tales rep, we can start here.

Imagine if the 2nd image was a stock icon for L- https://t.co/nql9OKyn9d

— D1 (@xD1x) October 8, 2019

But... is that what they would go with? A quill over a book are pretty standard "save" motifs imo.

 

[BZL8]

As much as I want to entertain the idea, wouldn't they just use the Symphonia logo a la the Sm4sh costume (or Berseria in the insane timeline in which we get Velvet)? Unless this is used for a collection of Mii costumes...?

But... is that what they would go with? A quill over a book are pretty standard "save" motifs imo.

I mean Dragon Quest uses the Mark of Erdrick (found only in DQI, DQII, and DQIII) to represent the entirety of the series and Final Fantasy just uses the initials from its title logo. If they wanted to be specific about installments, the former would have had the Mark of the Luminary and the latter the iconic Meteor logo.

What do you think should be the series logo for Tales?

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Series logos are a bit odd as they either use the iconic item of the series or part of the logo.

Then you've got Mega Man using a Gear, Brawl using the icon of an in game orginization and now both Kirby and Fatal Fury share a shape albeit differently styled ones.

 

[SNEKeater]

I didn't play any Tales game (I will do someday, starting with Symphonia) so I will ask, that new icon is something that could work to represent the franchise? Or doesn't suit at all about representing the games?

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

What do you think should be the series logo for Tales?

A large rolling ball with several smaller half-spheres attached to it. x3

 

[GoodGrief741]

Series logos are a bit odd as they either use the iconic item of the series or part of the logo.

Then you've got Mega Man using a Gear, Brawl using the icon of an in game orginization and now both Kirby and Fatal Fury share a shape albeit differently styled ones.

Mega Man using a gear when his helmet is one of the most iconic costumes in gaming and is recognizable even in silhouette is one of the dumbest things possible.

Street Fighter and Final Fantasy using initials though is one of my pet peeves. Not that hard to use a Moogle or a Crystal or a Chocobo for FF (I would have even taken the meteor given how iconic it is). Stumped on alternatives for Street Fighter beyond a silhouette of Ryu in the Hadouken or Shoryuken positions, but would have still preferred that to the alternative.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Mega Man using a gear when his helmet is one of the most iconic costumes in gaming and is recognizable even in silhouette is one of the dumbest things possible.

Street Fighter and Final Fantasy using initials though is one of my pet peeves. Not that hard to use a Moogle or a Crystal or a Chocobo for FF (I would have even taken the meteor given how iconic it is). Stumped on alternatives for Street Fighter beyond a silhouette of Ryu in the Hadouken or Shoryuken positions, but would have still preferred that to the alternative.

Heck, Mega Man even had E-Tanks as an iconic pick-up.

For Final Fantasy, I'd have used the Meteor design from 7's logo as that covers all of Smash's FF content.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Heck, Mega Man even had E-Tanks as an iconic pick-up.

For Final Fantasy, I'd have used the Meteor design from 7's logo as that covers all of Smash's FF content.

With how little content we got already, there's no way they'd go for something that needs to involve another copyright holder. Amano holds copyright for the FF logo designs after all.

Also Ifrit's design and the chocobo hat from Smash 4 don't use their VII designs.

 

[Ninjaed]

If one wants to entertain a Tales rep, we can start here.

Imagine if the 2nd image was a stock icon for L- https://t.co/nql9OKyn9d

— D1 (@xD1x) October 8, 2019

Very interesting find, thank you for sharing that! Book and quill might be standard, it does fit the name "Tales of" to a T.

 

[Flyboy]

The book and quill makes sense as a series logo but "Tales of Series" is what's really tripping me up. Simon and Richter got "Castlevania" but that's because that's what Simon's game was called and it functions as a series logo. The Persona Mii costumes got logos specifically for Persona 3 and 4. Lloyd himself got "Tales of Symphonia" during Sm4sh. Even Hero got specifically Dragon Quest 11S. I just don't see how a Tales rep wouldn't just get their game's logo, same with Mii costumes.

 

[Deleted member]

If one wants to entertain a Tales rep, we can start here.
[twitter post]

Interesting. If this is actually Smash related, I wonder why Bandai Namco filed trademarks for these 2 things in particular when there weren't any trademarks going around for the other 4 DLC fighters.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

There might be a small possibility there is content from multiple Tales games in the works, a la Hero.

Assuming this is related to Smash.

Probably not. The icon is weird, though.

 

[Fenriraga]

Could just be for the upcoming Tales game.

Which looks incredible by the by.

 

[yeet123]

Just a reminder that no more DLC is necessary for Ult

 

[Deleted member]

Just a reminder that no more DLC is necessary for Ult.

Speak for yourself. I wanna see if Geno makes it in.

 

[yeet123]

Speak for yourself. I wanna see if Geno makes it in.

Geno will never make it in because he's third party

 

[Deleted member]

Geno will never make it in because he's third party

You're telling me this while you have Banjo in your avi?

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Could just be for the upcoming Tales game.

Which looks incredible by the by.

How far in advance does Namco typically file their trademarks? I remember following Katamari Damacy Reroll's trademark when it was revealed and the game itself was announced in a Direct a week later. This could give us a clue.

 

[yeet123]

You're telling me this while you have Banjo in your avi?

I think Geno has a great shot of getting a Piranha Plant type deal

 

[Deleted member]

I think Geno has a great shot of getting a Piranha Plant type deal

Mate, I go on Smashboards. These sort of jokes sometimes aren't jokes, you know?

 

[Deleted member]

Regarding Tales, Lloyd would be cool for the dual wielding but kinda like Luke and Yuri a lot more. Kind of a shame the Tales series protagonists are pretty different from each other as it will make the tales representation focused on a single title.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Regarding Tales, Lloyd would be cool for the dual wielding but kinda like Luke and Yuri a lot more. Kind of a shame the Tales series protagonists are pretty different from each other as it will make the tales representation focused on a single title.

Just put Lloyd and Yuri in and then you're set

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

Just put Lloyd and Yuri in and then you're set

The only problem is that Yuri's style is almost as different as Lloyd's. He only uses one weapon, but he punches, switches sword hands mid combo, and occasionally kicks the sword to make it spin around. Kind of difficult to keep him faithful as an alt of someone else.

 

[Ninjaed]

The only problem is that Yuri's style is almost as different as Lloyd's. He only uses one weapon, but he punches, switches sword hands mid combo, and occasionally kicks the sword to make it spin around. Kind of difficult to keep him faithful as an alt of someone else.

Well Lucina's style is supposed to be very similar to Chrom's since he's the one who taught her, so...

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

on the topic of Musou, how would people feel if a character from either Dynasty Warriors or Samurai Warriors is in Smash before Hayabusa?

Great, if it's a whipsword user.

 

[Deleted member]

Great, if it's a whipsword user.

Kaihime then?

Spoiler: Pic that I dunno how big it is

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Kaihime then?

Spoiler: Pic that I dunno how big it is

Her or one of the newer characters with the steel whip-sword or whatever they call it. It's not as cool, since it doesn't have a sword form, but it does snake sword stuff, which is more important to me.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Mega Man using a gear when his helmet is one of the most iconic costumes in gaming and is recognizable even in silhouette is one of the dumbest things possible.

I think it's because the icons are in silhouette, and the helmet's silhouette isn't easily descernable without adding more detail.

 

[perfectchaos83]

I heavily doubt that the trademarks mean anything important, especially for Smash.

Series logos are a bit odd as they either use the iconic item of the series or part of the logo.

Then you've got Mega Man using a Gear, Brawl using the icon of an in game orginization and now both Kirby and Fatal Fury share a shape albeit differently styled ones.

Mega Man using a gear when his helmet is one of the most iconic costumes in gaming and is recognizable even in silhouette is one of the dumbest things possible.

Gears are commonly associated with Megaman in Japan

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[Plank08]

So what's most likely to be in Smash first, Resident Evil or Devil May Cry?

LittleBigPlanet!

Ah yes! Everyone's talking about their favourite lawyer from the Nintendo DS line of games.

Spoiler: It's him!

Apollo Justice!
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Lol Imagine if he got in smash and Phoinex was an assist the salt would be vicious

So hot take but I don’t think Sonic is getting another character, not even an Echo Fighter.

Not only has the popularity of the series severely dwindled down thanks to things like Forces and the movie, but Sonic also isn’t and never really was very popular in Japan, as a person who just went there I can say that he’s mostly used as a corporate mascot used to advertise SEGA products rather than his own games, and hardly any merchandise of him actually is sold there.

Honestly I’m at the point where I think a second Persona character and characters like Arle and Kiryu are more likely than a second Sonic rep, as Persona, Puyo Puyo, and Yakuza seem to be the current big three of SEGA. (I could also see Jeanne as a Bayo Echo If Bayo 3 ever comes out)

At this point I don’t even want another sonic character.

 

[Nemuresu]

Can I just say it's rather petty to think that a game delay or lack thereof affects a character's chances for Smash?

I thought it was clear that Smash does not revolve around what games you can play on your Switch already.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I think it's because the icons are in silhouette, and the helmet's silhouette isn't easily descernable without adding more detail.

Yeah it is though. Just have a line around the square on the front and I guarantee you it is. I'll try to find images of what I'm thinking about, as I'm not creative enough to have thought that up.

Edit: something like this

I heavily doubt that the trademarks mean anything important, especially for Smash.




Gears are commonly associated with Megaman in Japan

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Keyword being in Japan.

 

[Leotsune]

If one wants to entertain a Tales rep, we can start here.

Imagine if the 2nd image was a stock icon for L- https://t.co/nql9OKyn9d

— D1 (@xD1x) October 8, 2019

Tbh I'm fine with just Lloyd's Mii costume returning, I've made up my mind for that long ago.
But, if we do get a character, it'll have to be Lloyd no question.
That being said I'm all aboard for any Tales rep, even Sorey will do!

 

[Sysreq]

Keyword being in Japan.

It's almost like Sakurai's from Japan or something.

 

[GoodGrief741]

It's almost like Sakurai's from Japan or something.

It's almost like Smash is sold worldwide and Mega Man's helmet is known worldwide.

SMH, it's like you'd justify Mega Man being called Rockman because Sakurai's Japanese.

 

[perfectchaos83]

It's almost like Smash is sold worldwide and Mega Man's helmet is known worldwide.

SMH, it's like you'd justify Mega Man being called Rockman because Sakurai's Japanese.

No, because it's NoA's job to make sure his name isn't Rockman.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

The only problem is that Yuri's style is almost as different as Lloyd's. He only uses one weapon, but he punches, switches sword hands mid combo, and occasionally kicks the sword to make it spin around. Kind of difficult to keep him faithful as an alt of someone else.

Not as alts, as two different characters

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

It's almost like Smash is sold worldwide and Mega Man's helmet is known worldwide.

SMH, it's like you'd justify Mega Man being called Rockman because Sakurai's Japanese.

I mean, maybe he isn't aware that Mega Man isn't associated with gears in other parts of the world? Just because somebody's justification to why it's fine the way it is isn't the same justification you came to to why it isn't doesn't mean that that person is wrong.

 

[GoodGrief741]

No, because it's NoA's job to make sure his name isn't Rockman.

I mean, maybe he isn't aware that Mega Man isn't associated with gears in other parts of the world? Just because somebody's justification to why it's fine the way it is isn't the same justification you came to to why it isn't doesn't mean that that person is wrong.

It is Sakurai's job to do the research, you can't honestly pretend that it's acceptable not to do so in 2019 with games being a global affair. Is it something that could, and should, have been caught by localization? Sure, but given the standard that Sakurai himself abides to, this slipping by him is uncharacteristically sloppy.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Tbh I'm fine with just Lloyd's Mii costume returning, I've made up my mind for that long ago.
But, if we do get a character, it'll have to be Lloyd no question.
That being said I'm all aboard for any Tales rep, even Sorey will do!

Any Tales rep, you say?

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