Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Michael the Spikester]

It could also be the case with Roy Campell's Japanese voice actor where they retired the character out of respect.

Dude if that was the case they probably would had retired Heihachi's character once his first voice actor died.

The same case for any other character whose original voice actor had died.

Also times have changed. Sakurai could have found a way to make Heihachi work and I always found it weird how Sakurai found it hard to make Heihachi work given he came up with movesets for

Plus Heihachi was in similar game to Smash known as PSABR.

 

[KarneraMythos]

That is true and he has been a Mii Costume in Smash 4 but Sakurai did say that he had trouble implementing his moveset into the Smash Bros environment during his interview on Pac-Man so Jin Kazama could fix that problem with his access to the Devil gene.

It could also be the case with Roy Campbell's Japanese voice actor where they retired the character out of respect.



I do see that happening and that might actually come with Terry Bogard.

While we're at it, we're probably getting the Virtua Fighter skins again. The jury's out on other fighting game Mii costumes though. Let's see... There's Kyo, Andy, Joe, Geese, Nakoruru, and Iori. That's 6 SNK Fighters exactly, which matches the amount in the current Mii Fighter Costume Pack if you count the Team Rocket outfits separately.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Dude if that was the case they probably would had retired Heihachi's character once his first voice actor died.

The same case for any other character whose original voice actor had died.

Also times have changed. Sakurai could have found a way to make Heihachi work and I always found it weird how Sakurai found it hard to make Heihachi work given he came up with movesets for

Oh I wasn't aware that he had another voice actor. My bad.

Sakurai may have had trouble with Heihachi because he usually makes all of his third party characters stay true to their games as much as he can.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

That said though. I personally don't expect Heihachi as the final DLC fighter for this pass due to Terry but I could see him beyond the Pass depending how many more characters will be added.

 

[YoshiandToad]

Here's an interesting question: If Super Smash Bros. Ultimate was the first game in the franchise, but all of the character choices were the same except for the Fire Emblem characters, which 5 normal characters and 2 echo fighters would be the best to add in order to represent the franchise to it's fullest? Here's my thinking:

1. Marth
   • Lucina
2. Caeda
3. Ike
4. Robin
5. Lyn
   • Navarre (or some other myrmidon)

Question variations:
Pick your favorite 5 & 2 echoes (wishlist).
The characters would have to have been available choices for their debut games:

• Melee gets one unique character and a clone.
• Brawl gets one unique character.
• for Nintendo 3Ds/Wii U gets one unique character, and echo fighter and declones the clone.
• Ultimate gets an echo fighter.

Hmm...we could go a few ways about this:

Most successful titles:

1. Anna(Fire Emblem Heroes). The Kitchen Sink character. She can use a variety of weapon types and can even summon forth other heroes to fight for her(she is responsible for summoning Kiran in Heroes at the beginning).
2. Corrin(Fates). Plays the same as in Smash.
3. Chrom(Awakening). Plays as he does in Smash already only this time he's not the echo character.
   3e. Lucina. Her moves are that of her father's. She's more popular than Chrom, but isn't the main character.
4. Byleth(Three Houses). Has a whip blade, time powers, gauntlet fist fighting and could arguably summon battalions.
5. Marth(Mystery of the Emblem). Plays as he does in Smash.
   5e. Celica(Fire Emblem Gaiden/Echoes). Whilst her actual games aren't super successful I needed another echo...and she's an echo of Marth in Fire Emblem Warriors which actually is a bigger success than most of the other titles.

Most popular characters:
(basing this off of Heroes first popularity poll, and obviously I have no clue how the Three Houses cast stack up but here we go

1. Ike
2. Lyn
3. Lucina
   3e. Chrom(Chrom was high ranking )
4. Tharja
5. Camilla
   5e. Edelgard or Claude(every three house Wyvern rider picture seems to be of Claude, but Edie can probably manage fine going by her interests)

Most variation:
(Trying to pick max variation weapon wise with no characters from the same game)

1. Marth (standard)
   1e. Roy? (standard but on fire)
2. Robin (mage)
   2e. Micaiah (more mage but with a more light magic focus)
3. Corrin (Dragon transformations)
4. Sigurd (Mounted unit with lances as an option)
5. Hector or Edelgard (axe usage)

 

[KarneraMythos]

That said though. I personally don't expect Heihachi as the final DLC fighter for this pass due to Terry but I could see him beyond the Pass depending how many more characters will be added.

Let's just assume from now on that any Fighter we discuss (sans Spirits and Assist Trophies) are fair game for discussion, be it as Fighter #5 or beyond the Fighter's Pass.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Let's just assume from now on that any Fighter we discuss (sans Spirits and Assist Trophies) are fair game for discussion, be it as Fighter #5 or beyond the Fighter's Pass.

What's your prediction for DLC fighter 5?

Mine is Doom Slayer but these are other runner-ups too.

-Capcom rep (Amaterasu, Dante, Phoenix Wright, Resident Evil rep, etc.)
-Crash Bandicoot
-Dovahkiin
-Namco rep (Agumon, Chosen Undead, KOS-MOS, Lloyd Irving, etc.)
-Ryu Hayabusa

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Yeah, it's Kiran.

Oh my gosh he shares his name with the Chinese unicorn (or more accurately, a type of dragon).

And I am also against incorporating the Lords onto Byleth's moveset outside of a final smash. You're just forcing Byleth to be different for the sake of being different.

I'm just throwing out how I think such an implementation would work. I honestly don't know what he would Byleth would do (other then long disjointed hitboxes and time reversal shenanigans) but I don't think it would be what I described. But if they encorporated the lords into its moveset, I think that's how they'd do it.

 

[ErenJager]

A second Namco character is always one of those things people suspect and anticipate but has yet to materialize.
I find it to be one of the more interesting topics in speculation.
I feel like Tekken is in a weird spot if it was included as a playable fighter, it would be subverting expectations of "new to smash" third parties.
Given Heihachi's appearance in Namco Roulette and the M.I.A. Mii costume, i'm sorta prematurely ruling it out, but not absolutely.

So, after Tekken what comes next, i'd probably have to say Tamagotchi.
The reason being Mametchi was the second playable Namco character in Namco's Mario Kart, after Pac Man properties.

I wouldn't sleep on Tamagotchi or rule it out completely, keep in mind those things were massive during the 90's.
The creator even won a nobel prize in economics for it.
Virtual/ digital hand held pets has a significant spot in gaming history, which is only really represented in Smash with Nintendogs.
I guess I also have to mention Digimon being the male marketed version of Tamagotchi, so whatever that's worth.
I suppose it has the allure of Pokemon vs. Digimon being a thing ~ fan made or otherwise.

I'd laugh if their second character is a Ms. PacMan echo fighter.
Which wouldn't surprise me given there are ten slots left and I anticipate half will probably be echos, if they fill them all.
I honestly anticipate Fire Piranha Plant, Joker Girl Echo, and Ms. Pac Man. (Well halfheartedly anticipate, just saying it wouldn't surprise me)

I personally want Nightmare from Soul Calibur because of SC2 having Link as a playable character.
Hey, wasn't Heihachi a PS2 exclusive character for that game while Link was the Gamecubes?
Just a little history there.

Wouldn't it be funny if the female fighter rumors from a while back ended up being a Namco character?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I personally want Soul Calibur because of SC2 having Link as a playable character.
Hey, wasn't Heihachi a PS2 exclusive character for that game while Link was the Gamecubes?
Just a little history there.

Really love for Nightmare. It'd return the favor of Link's appearance as an guest in the GC verison of SCII.

 

[Nquoid]

I'd laugh if their second character is a Ms. PacMan echo fighter.
Which wouldn't surprise me given there are ten slots left and I anticipate half will probably be echos, if they fill them all.
I honestly anticipate Fire Piranha Plant, Joker Girl Echo, and Ms. Pac Man. (Well halfheartedly anticipate, just saying it wouldn't surprise me)

the legal issues with Ms Pac-Man will probably sadly hold that up.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Dovahkiin

I can't imagine Dovahkiin making it into Smash Bros. To me he just looks way too out of place with how realistic he looks in the promotional art work. His Smash render would just be jarring to look at by comparison.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

There are people still scarred by Corrin's inclusion.

lol.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I can't imagine Dovahkiin making it into Smash Bros. To me he just looks way too out of place with how realistic he looks in the promotional art work. His Smash render would just be jarring to look at by comparison.

And he's not too realistic?

 

[TheAJJohnson]

Unpopular opinion: Waluigi shouldn't make it as a fighter.

1. The memes were funny at first, then they were just annoying (and we would keep getting more annoying memes if he were to be announced)
2. Sakurai himself is against it
3. He doesn't sound fun at all because it would basically be his Assist Trophy with a Final Smash (although he is a cool character, I just don't think playing as him would be fun)
4. He doesn't even have his own game/game where he plays a crucial role
5. He wasn't really a popular request until the memes
6. If he was DLC, what music/stage could they even add?

(In the end I would still buy him simply because I'm going full 100% mode on this game, so I sound like a real f***in hypocrite)

I agree with your thesis, but not entirely with your reasons.

Here's my take: Waluigi shouldn't be added as a playable because he's never earned that right. In my opinion, almost every character present has, in some way, earned the right to fight alongside the other characters, namely: the original eight. The invitation to Smash is like being invited to the video game cool kids club. Outside of Piranha Plant and maybe Corrin and Richter, I feel like each character meets this standard.

As for Waluigi, he's literally the definition of a supporting actor. Heck, sometimes, he's more like an extra. Sure, he's got a big following and I always pick him in Mario Kart, but what does he represent? Literally nothing. He's like an alternate costume given its own slot on the CSS. Virtually every game he's in, he's very much a side character. Mario, Luigi, Bowser, Peach, Yoshi, Wario, DK...all of these characters can exist on their own, and they do a good job at it. Waluigi? Well...there's just no substance to his existence. Until recently, he had as much depth as Toadette, but then she got her own game with Captain Toad, so...yeah. (This is also why even though it was free DLC incentive, I still think Piranha Plant was the worst addition to Smash ever. I recently saw people suggesting Sandbag should have been that character instead. I agree with this 3000%.)

Now you could argue this is mainly Nintendo's fault because they haven't given him that opportunity. That's fair. But until they do, I think he is great staying as an AT. He's still at the club, he's just one of the chefs or something.

 

[KarneraMythos]

What's your prediction for DLC fighter 5?

Mine is Doom Slayer but these are other runner-ups too.

-Capcom rep (Amaterasu, Dante, Phoenix Wright, Resident Evil rep, etc.)
-Crash Bandicoot
-Dovahkiin
-Namco rep (Agumon, Chosen Undead, KOS-MOS, Lloyd Irving, etc.)
-Ryu Hayabusa

I say either Doom Slayer, Ryu Hayabusa, or Phoenix Wright. The other two have a fair shot later down the line. I have hopes for my Most-Wanted characters, but I'm excluding them to avoid disappointment.

the legal issues with Ms Pac-Man will probably sadly hold that up.

Yeah, that one is really bizarre. I had no idea about it until recently.

 

[ErenJager]

Is Souls/ Dark Souls a Namco property or is it a FromSoftware property?
Or is it shared kinda like Fatal Frame with Nintendo and Tecmo?

 

[BZL8]

Is Souls/ Dark Souls a Namco property or is it a FromSoftware property?
Or is it shared kinda like Fatal Frame with Nintendo and Tecmo?

FromSoftware holds the publishing rights for Dark Souls in Japan, while Bandai Namco has overseas publishing rights. Same thing is being done for the upcoming Elden Ring.

 

[krokotopia101]

I can't imagine Dovahkiin making it into Smash Bros. To me he just looks way too out of place with how realistic he looks in the promotional art work. His Smash render would just be jarring to look at by comparison.

The most out of place characters in Smash is & .....specifically . I can personally see characters like Ezio & Dovakiin make their way in and fit with the cast.

 

[Will]

It’d be weird if the fighters pass consisted of 4 characters from new 3rd party series... and Porky of all characters.

yes.



and?

And need I remind you that Fighter's Pass characters all come with a new stage, new music, and new Spirits? At this point, what else is there really left to add for Earthbound? And not to be overly anti-Earthbound here, but I think the series has already enough content, if not more than enough.

Devil's Machine is a stage, and I could give you plenty songs/spirits and whatnot.

Fire Emblem has plenty of content but you still see people betting on Edelgard/Byleth I understand the frustration or confusion of why EarthBound would get more content, and that's totally valid and I respect it if you think it isn't happening. I just think the missing spirit of Porky and a few key important characters surrounding Porky himself not being present in the game is just too fishy for me to not leave be. Just my crazy headcanon that I'm betting on. Terry was an unexpected welcome surprise, I really don't care who actually is #5, but I'm still betting on Porky regardless.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

And he's not too realistic?

While the Metal Gear games do have some super serious stuff at the fore front, it has a goofy and video gamey layer underneath it that makes it more believable in Smash Bros. You have exclamation marks appearing above soldier's heads with the iconic alert sound, the rations consume sound, shooting Mario and Yoshi dolls, the Fission mailed message in Metal Gear Solid 2, apes from ape escape crossover, Rathalos appearing in peace walker as well as other things.

The most out of place characters in Smash is & .....specifically . I can personally see characters like Ezio & Dovakiin make their way in and fit with the cast.

Mr. Game & Watch isn't that out of place. The only thing that makes him out of place is that he is 2D and that is nowhere near as bad as looking ultra realistic but that's what I think.

 

[Will]

The Elder Scrolls world is about as medieval as the Fire Emblem world, but add in some more diverse races and expansive lore.

All it has is a more realistic design, honestly. I see it fitting if people think Doomguy has a shot. Dovahkiin's only probably is, y'know, Doomguy.

"Too realistic" for Smash honestly doesn't make that much sense. We're gatekeeping what kind of characters aren't allowed in Smash just by the tone or art design of the game itself? Wack.

 

[krokotopia101]

The Elder Scrolls world is about as medieval as the Fire Emblem world, but add in some more diverse races and expansive lore.

All it has is a more realistic design, honestly. I see it fitting if people think Doomguy has a shot. Dovahkiin's only probably is, y'know, Doomguy.

"Too realistic" for Smash honestly doesn't make that much sense. We're gatekeeping what kind of characters aren't allowed in Smash just by the tone or art design of the game itself? Wack.

People gatekeep who isn't allowed in Smash by just about anything nowadays. Hence why I say there's no middle ground.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

While the Metal Gear games do have some super serious stuff at the fore front, it has a goofy and video gamey layer underneath it that makes it more believable in Smash Bros. You have exclamation marks appearing above soldier's heads with the iconic alert sound, the rations consume sound, shooting Mario and Yoshi dolls, the Fission mailed message in Metal Gear Solid 2, apes from ape escape crossover, Rathalos appearing in peace walker as well as other things.

To me Skyrim seems to be like D&D in that it's tonally serious, yet stupid things happen anyway like putting buckets on shopkeep's heads to easily rob them or weird/repeating dialogue.

 

[TheAJJohnson]

I can't imagine Dovahkiin making it into Smash Bros. To me he just looks way too out of place with how realistic he looks in the promotional art work. His Smash render would just be jarring to look at by comparison.

Snake.

 

[GoodGrief741]

My take on Fire Emblem is that it has too many characters, but that's kind of the fault of Everyone is Here; I don't think Corrin and Lucina would have made the transition from 4. Many franchises suffer from it (Dr. Mario and Young Link come to mind) but Fire Emblem suffers the most imo because it's not (yet) as mainstream as any series with that amount of characters. That said I do think Three Houses' success and acclaim warrants a character, and I'd love to see Byleth in Smash, but I understand anyone who feels it's too much; bar Marth and maybe Ike, the characters aren't known enough to really draw in non-fans. I think a Smash 6 with a few key cuts, and distinctive additions such as Byleth and the long-overdue Lyn could go a long way in making non-fans like the characters too.

Tl;dr maybe Ultimate DLC isn't the best place for an FE newcomer

 

[Curious Villager]

"Too realistic" for Smash honestly doesn't make that much sense. We're gatekeeping what kind of characters aren't allowed in Smash just by the tone or art design of the game itself? Wack.

This takes me back to the day's of "Wind Waker Link can't be in Brawl because he's too cartoony."

Good times....

 

[Evil Trapezium]

To me Skyrim seems to be like D&D in that it's tonally serious, yet stupid things happen anyway like putting buckets on shopkeep's heads to easily rob them or weird/repeating dialogue.

That's just the player's input making silly things happen, not the dev's intention on making the game more wild underneath it's serious portrayal.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Snake.

By the way, does anyone else feel like Ultimate Snake is not realistic enough? Maybe it's just me, but the more anatomically correct characters in Ultimate all feel like they followed a similar artstyle no matter how different it should be (like, Snake's eyes aren't that different from Ike's, when they should be).

 

[Will]

People gatekeep who isn't allowed in Smash by just about anything nowadays. Hence why I say there's no middle ground.

Scorpion gang agrees with your sentiment.

I've been trying to agree to disagree more instead of arguing. A lot less work and finishes the debate faster.

My take on Fire Emblem is that it has too many characters, but that's kind of the fault of Everyone is Here; I don't think Corrin and Lucina would have made the transition from 4. Many franchises suffer from it (Dr. Mario and Young Link come to mind) but Fire Emblem suffers the most imo because it's not (yet) as mainstream as any series with that amount of characters. That said I do think Three Houses' success and acclaim warrants a character, and I'd love to see Byleth in Smash, but I understand anyone who feels it's too much; bar Marth and maybe Ike, the characters aren't known enough to really draw in non-fans. I think a Smash 6 with a few key cuts, and distinctive additions such as Byleth and the long-overdue Lyn could go a long way in making non-fans like the characters too.

Tl;dr maybe Ultimate DLC isn't the best place for an FE newcomer

If you really want to cut down FE as much as humanly possible, all you really need is .

Don't forget how successful Awakening was, both in general on 3DS and as a Fire Emblem game, basically reviving the series. Robin also represents the whole new fad of Fire Emblem having all your main protags be basic avatars at this point (thought it's debatable if Byleth is really one. kinda half-way?) Robin's pretty unique, too, no reason to throw that moveset away since it's literally the most faithful to the FE games.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I am agree with your thesis, but not entirely with your reasons.

Here's my take: Waluigi shouldn't be added as a playable because he's never earned that right. In my opinion, almost every character present has, in some way, earned the right to fight alongside the other characters, namely: the original eight. The invitation to Smash is like being invited to the video game cool kids club. Outside of Piranha Plant and maybe Corrin and Richter, I feel like each character meets this standard.

As for Waluigi, he's literally the definition of a supporting actor. Heck, sometimes, he's more like an extra. Sure, he's got a big following and I always pick him in Mario Kart, but what does he represent? Literally nothing. He's like an alternate costume given its own slot on the CSS. Virtually every game he's in, he's very much a side character. Mario, Luigi, Bowser, Peach, Yoshi, Wario, DK...all of these characters can exist on their own, and they do a good job at it. Waluigi? Well...there's just no substance to his existence. Until recently, he had as much depth as Toadette, but then she got her own game with Captain Toad, so...yeah. (This is also why even though it was free DLC incentive, I still think Piranha Plant was the worst addition to Smash ever. I recently saw people suggesting Sandbag should have been that character instead. I agree with this 3000%.)

Now you could argue this is mainly Nintendo's fault because they haven't given him that opportunity. That's fair. But until they do, I think he is great staying as an AT. He's still at the club, he's just one of the chefs or something.

*Hears Will raging in the distance*

Dude ya better run for the sake of your life. Someone's not gonna be happy seeing this.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Scorpion gang agrees with your sentiment.

I've been trying to agree to disagree more instead of arguing. A lot less work and finishes the debate faster.


If you really want to cut down FE as much as humanly possible, all you really need is .

Don't forget how successful Awakening was, both in general on 3DS and as a Fire Emblem game, basically reviving the series. Robin also represents the whole new fad of Fire Emblem having all your main protags be basic avatars at this point (thought it's debatable if Byleth is really one. kinda half-way?) Robin's pretty unique, too, no reason to throw that moveset away since it's literally the most faithful to the FE games.

I don't wanna cut down Fire Emblem as much as humanly possible, I love Fire Emblem and it has way too many cool protags not to represent.

 

[Calamitas]

Devil's Machine is a stage, and I could give you plenty songs/spirits and whatnot.

Fire Emblem has plenty of content but you still see people betting on Edelgard/Byleth I understand the frustration or confusion of why EarthBound would get more content, and that's totally valid and I respect it if you think it isn't happening. I just think the missing spirit of Porky and a few key important characters surrounding Porky himself not being present in the game is just too fishy for me to not leave be. Just my crazy headcanon that I'm betting on. Terry was an unexpected welcome surprise, I really don't care who actually is #5, but I'm still betting on Porky regardless.

The key difference being that Fire Emblem has currently sixteen mainline entries, not counting spin-offs, whereas Mother has three. And again, the last one was thirteen years ago. There's just absolutely no way that I could ever see Nintendo putting Porky on a list of potential characters for Sakurai to chose from.

 

[Deleted member]

I don't wanna cut down Fire Emblem as much as humanly possible, I love Fire Emblem and it has way too many cool protags not to represent.

Any Fire Emblem protag is good in my book as long as the purpose is not to promote the next game. *cough* Corrin *cough*

Other than that, just looking at this thread makes me wonder why you guys wouldn't discuss stuff at the female character discussion. I mean, this DLC pack is just a huge sausage party.

 

[TheAJJohnson]

*Hears Will raging in the distance*

Dude ya better run for the sake of your life. Someone's not gonna be happy seeing this.

A prophet is never accepted in his own land...

But in all seriousness, you're right. But that's the great thing about opinions and message boards: if someone disagrees with me, they can try to persuade me, which makes for an engaging and enjoyable dialogue. That, or they can just freak out and call me names. That's less fun for everyone...

I stand by my statement. Come at me, bros.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

While the Metal Gear games do have some super serious stuff at the fore front, it has a goofy and video gamey layer underneath it that makes it more believable in Smash Bros. You have exclamation marks appearing above soldier's heads with the iconic alert sound, the rations consume sound, shooting Mario and Yoshi dolls, the Fission mailed message in Metal Gear Solid 2, apes from ape escape crossover, Rathalos appearing in peace walker as well as other things.

Ah the typical fan made rules that Sakurai tends to break on us.

"Ridley's too big!"

"King K. Rool's irrelevant!"

"Banjo's too 3rd party!"

Unless Sakurai says otherwise as he had with non-gaming characters there's nothing we can decide what can happen.

 

[Will]

*Hears Will raging in the distance*

Dude ya better run for the sake of your life. Someone's not gonna be happy seeing this.

That's just petty, godzilla boy.

I don't wanna cut down Fire Emblem as much as humanly possible, I love Fire Emblem and it has way too many cool protags not to represent.

I agree. People will complain about anything at this point, people will be angry about Byleth because anime sword man (or woman, we'll probably get both) but once they see G o o s e they laugh and support it because funnee meme character.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

That's just the player's input making silly things happen, not the dev's intention on making the game more wild underneath it's serious portrayal.

The same could be said for D&D as well what with most things ending up in hilarious disasters due to dumb or unconventional decisions. Anyway I think this is a case of you'd have to see it to see how it would work.

EDIT: I'd also argue that if the game allows players to turn the serious game into dumb sillyness without mods or unlockable stuff (like dumb costumes in horrer games that are generally rewards for beating the hardest setting) then the game's tone isn't the most serious in the world.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

That's just petty, godzilla boy.

Apologies. I didn't mean to make it sound personal. Should of been more clear with my post. It was meant to be more fun.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Any Fire Emblem protag is good in my book as long as the purpose is not to promote the next game. *cough* Corrin *cough*

Other than that, just looking at this thread makes me wonder why you guys wouldn't discuss stuff at the female character discussion. I mean, this DLC pack is just a huge sausage party.

I've already talked about this before.

Why exactly do people think we're obligated to receive a female character, or that female characters are more likely the longer we go without them?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for representation, but I don't think Sakurai and Nintendo think to themselves, "man, we haven't added any female characters for a while, so we should probably add a female character for the sake of adding a female character."

Sm4sh's DLC consisted of 1.5 women out of 7 fighters (I'm counting Corrin as a half since they have both male and female costumes BIG BROTHER IS NOW BIG SISTER). I really don't think the gender of a character is taken into account when weighing the pros and cons of a character's inclusion.