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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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Roberk

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I think in future Lucina will be downgraded to Marth's Alt. Which is clearly possible.
Echos are the gimmik of this edition of Super Smash Bros. but in the next installement (I know I'm going fast forward) alts and skins could be the alts/skins, reaching the terrific number of 16 up to 20 for each character. With someones being really special and/or hilarius.
So a lot of echos might be reduced to alt/skins. Like Daisy returning an alt of Peach, while keeping all the aesthetical differences. Included the daisies instead of peaches in the final smash.
>I think in future Lucina will be downgraded to Marth's Alt.
y tho

If they're going to have a unique model for Lucina and have a minor yet effective gameplay difference separating her from Marth then what's the purpose? At that point, it's just taking away content for the sake of taking away content. Honestly, I don't like Lucina being "Marth: Easy Mode" in Ultimate but the tipper versus balanced blade lets them play with different styles with minimal effort from the development/balancing teams and appeal to different kinds of players.
 

Al-kīmiyā'

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I seem to recall Chrom being heavily predicted prior to the announcement of both Lucina and Robin. Not sure if that is really representative of fan demand at the time, though.
Being predicted is different from being wanted. I recall he had very low want scores in the RTC thread for Sm4sh. I'm not sure if that thread is still accessible.
 

Evil Trapezium

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When was this? There was very little support for Chrom in the leadup to either Sm4sh or Ultimate.
I don't have anything to back it up but that's just what I saw back then. A lot of people got disappointed that Chrom wasn't playable in Smash 4. There was a Chrom Mii costume and Chrom came to Ultimate due to fan demand.
 

DrifloonEmpire

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You know what? Let’s go all out, let’s have Byleth as the Fire Emblem Pokémon’s Trainer with three full original moveset for Dmitri, Edelgard, and Claude that you can swap between. They will cost $15 for the three move-sets and be the only character that comes out for 7 months. Perfect representation for Three Houses that makes fans happy, and an absolute joy for the rest of us as who are more apathetic (or just fine with more FE) as we watch the Smash fandom’s heads collectively roll and explode.
It does accurately represent the game but let's not spite people or act smug towards them either.


A character that nobody is expecting, tbh.
Same, more Terry-esque surprises would be fun, and just what we need to shake up the monotony.
 
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What's your prediction for DLC fighter 5?
Zhao Yun because nobody expects Dynasty Warriors.

It would be interesting to see what Sakurai has to say about the series though. Maybe he'll say how Dynasty Warriors gave him the idea of making Ultimate's roster the biggest its ever been.
 

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I didn't have any issue with Fire Emblem characters until Corrin. After that, I was pretty vehemently opposed, and as someone said earlier, still a little scarred by that whole announcement cycle lol. (I had incorrectly assumed the ballot was for Smash 4 DLC, and expected something cooler, so foolish)

Then I played Three Houses, and that game is fantastic. I love the characters and would be excited to play as Edelgard in Smash. However though I would greatly enjoy Edelgard's inclusion, I'd also simultaneously be disappointed.

Right now we're in a historic moment in Smash where literally any video game character is possible. Getting another Fire Emblem character is just business as usual, so boring when we could be making history with Master Chief, Doomguy, Crash, Lara Croft, Heihachi, Professor Layton, Phoenix Wright, Gex (and on and on and on and on), instead.

Why limit Ultimate's ambition, to options that will always be available?
 

DMTN

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I feel like we are all sleeping on Kass. Probably not for the Fighters Pass, but as a standalone character.

- No spirit.
- Received an entire remix.
- Prominently featured in BOTW trailers.
- Will probably return in BOTW 2.

Know what this means?

he's in
 

DrifloonEmpire

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Zhao Yun because nobody expects Dynasty Warriors.

It would be interesting to see what Sakurai has to say about the series though. Maybe he'll say how Dynasty Warriors gave him the idea of making Ultimate's roster the biggest its ever been.

I've never played Dynasty Warriors but a traditional Chinese-inspired character would be super cool, and he'd be Terry levels of surprise. Plus he's got a unique weapon type, I think he'd be a fine addition to the cast.
 

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It does accurately represent the game but let's not spite people or act smug towards them either.




Same, more Terry-esque surprises would be fun, and just what we need to shake up the monotony.
I mean, 3H is inherently about inevitable conflict with there being no way to have all sides of the war solve themselves peacefully so having all house leaders together in a single moveset does NOT work at all when it comes to representing the game
 

DevaAshera

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I've heard Byleth getting talked about a fair amount, and I get the impression that they have decent moveset potential. One notable trait I can glean from them is their use of a whip-sword at some point in the game. As someone who isn't too familiar with Three Houses, can you tell me what other properties and mechanics they could bring to Smash? I'm genuinely curious.
Along with the sword-whip move potential, Byleth has access to just about any spells that can be learned in the game and a time-based mechanic (which, lets be fair, would be used for a counter akin to Shulk's and other FE characters if its used at all).
They can also reclass to any class in the game, so it wouldn't be out of place to give them other weapons for attacks or even some sort of weapon-swapping mechanic akin to characters like Zelda-Sheik or Pokémon Trainer..only the character stays the same while the moveset changes, which could reference something else not really used much in Smash for Fire Emblem yet, the ability to use different weapons or re-class to a different type of unit.
My take on Fire Emblem is that it has too many characters, but that's kind of the fault of Everyone is Here; I don't think Corrin and Lucina would have made the transition from 4. Many franchises suffer from it (Dr. Mario and Young Link come to mind) but Fire Emblem suffers the most imo because it's not (yet) as mainstream as any series with that amount of characters. That said I do think Three Houses' success and acclaim warrants a character, and I'd love to see Byleth in Smash, but I understand anyone who feels it's too much; bar Marth and maybe Ike, the characters aren't known enough to really draw in non-fans. I think a Smash 6 with a few key cuts, and distinctive additions such as Byleth and the long-overdue Lyn could go a long way in making non-fans like the characters too.

Tl;dr maybe Ultimate DLC isn't the best place for an FE newcomer
I think Corrin would have made it back simply due to having a unique moveset. I think the Fire Emblem characters most likely to be cut or reduced to alternate costumes would be Roy, Lucina, and Chrom due to all of them just being extensions of Marth's moveset.
However, I kinda feel like people wouldn't be as upset about 'too many FE characters' if they all shared a slot with Marth (with the option to have them all separate like we currently have with Echo Fighters), like, you just select Marth and then you can select Marth, Roy, Lucina, or Chrom, each with their own separate properties and a few altered moves.

All the same, if characters were cut for Fire Emblem, the FE roster would definitely be Marth, Ike, Robin, & Corrin.

And maybe, but with how everyone always says they want to keep ALL the characters from previous games, than they should have seen this coming..if characters were ALWAYS kept, of course series with rotating rosters like Fire Emblem would eventually somewhat dominate the roster akin to Pokémon (which, while not having a rotating roster, does always add new Pokémon). Were Final Fantasy a Nintendo series the same thing would have happened..its simply that Nintendo doesn't tend to have a lot of rotating roster series that are big enough to get new characters into Super Smash Bros, the closest one would be Xenoblade Chronicles which is starting to pick up steam following Xenoblade Chronicles 2's success. Series like Mario, The Legend of Zelda, Metroid, and Kirby keep the same primary characters with maybe one or two being added. Its kind of telling that for those series you have to try and find a secondary character like Waluigi or Impa or a one-time character like Midna or Ghirahim (and yes, I know the irony in this when one of my wanted Echoes is Princess Hilda, a one-time character).
In order for Fire Emblem to continue to have current representation in the game, characters have to either be cut or fans just have to accept that it will have a lot of characters.
It's just that Smash fanbase were clamouring for Chrom to join the game while everyone was just more "eh" with Lucina from what I've seen.
That was mostly due to a couple things.
- Chrom was 'leaked' through that Gematsu leak, so everyone expected Chrom.
- Chrom is seen as the 'main lord' for the game.
- Lucina was revealed as a Marth clone, which, until characters were called Echoes weren't a big thing.
 

DrifloonEmpire

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I mean, 3H is inherently about inevitable conflict with there being no way to have all sides of the war solve themselves peacefully so having all house leaders together in a single moveset does NOT work at all when it comes to representing the game
True, I didn't think about it (today's been a long day). Putting my distaste for Modern FE aside, the three leaders suffer from the same problem as the BoTW champions, where it'd be difficult to have one without the others.

I guess the idea could work for a Breath of the Wild Zelda, who can swap between the four champions and issue orders since they do cooperate with each other.


However, I kinda feel like people wouldn't be as upset about 'too many FE characters' if they all shared a slot with Marth (with the option to have them all separate like we currently have with Echo Fighters), like, you just select Marth and then you can select Marth, Roy, Lucina, or Chrom, each with their own separate properties and a few altered moves.

All the same, if characters were cut for Fire Emblem, the FE roster would definitely be Marth, Ike, Robin, & Corrin.
I like this idea, actually, I think it's very clever, and a lot of series could benefit from something like this. Ever since Smash 4 (before Alph was even revealed) I wanted to see this done with Olimar. Olimar as the primary with Louie, The President, Alph, Brittany, and Captain Charlie as alts in your idea's style.
 
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Hadokeyblade

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That was mostly due to a couple things.
- Chrom was 'leaked' through that Gematsu leak, so everyone expected Chrom.
- Chrom is seen as the 'main lord' for the game.
- Lucina was revealed as a Marth clone, which, until characters were called Echoes weren't a big thing.
Also probably because Lucina isn't as relevant as Chrom and Robin.
 

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True, I didn't think about it (today's been a long day). Putting my distaste for Modern FE aside, the three leaders suffer from the same problem as the BoTW champions, where it'd be difficult to have one without the others.

I guess the idea could work for a Breath of the Wild Zelda, who can swap between the four champions and issue orders since they do cooperate with each other.
Gonna have to disagree with you again, the Champions were pretty much equally marketed, yes? That's the issue a lot of people have with bringing them in as they're all equally important. Three Houses though? They've been very blatant about which house leader is the favourite, Edelgard's the only one with any merchandise confirmed and the game's main theme, Edge of Dawn, is a song from her perspective and is even called Lady of Hresvelg in Japanese. Edelgard's undeniably the face of the game, especially as she's always prominent in the story regardless of your route as others tend to be about 2 chapters at best. Again, the Champions are equal so none of them have this particular strength Edelgard has due to BotW's core design putting story on the back burner.


Also sidenote, why do you seemingly dislike 3H? Whenever I heard 'Modern FE bad' it's always about how simplistic Awakening is and how incredibly shameless and poorly written Fates is, 3H doesn't have those problems which is why the FE fandom embraced the game fully
 

AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea

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I dont mind a Three Houses rep as long as they're interesting. The main issue I have is that from the little bit i've played of Fire Emblem; it features a unique cast of classes that arent represented at all in Smash Bros. We really do have four characters that play almost exactly alike. You can argue things like "but Roy is slower and has weaker recovery" at the end of the day they all have generally the same moveset and it's completely boring.

Robin was a fresh breath of air because not only did they provide one of FE's core mechanics, they didnt attack or handle in any way similar to Marth. While Corrin's addition was a bit disappointing, Corrin is also pretty unique compared to the others. I want a character who uses an axe. If we're going to have another FE character, give me Edelgard, please.
 
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You know what? Let’s go all out, let’s have Byleth as the Fire Emblem Pokémon’s Trainer with three full original moveset for Dmitri, Edelgard, and Claude that you can swap between. They will cost $15 for the three move-sets and be the only character that comes out for 7 months. Perfect representation for Three Houses that makes fans happy, and an absolute joy for the rest of us as who are more apathetic (or just fine with more FE) as we watch the Smash fandom’s heads collectively roll and explode.
That's genius. Doubt it'll happen, but it's genius.

I mean, 3H is inherently about inevitable conflict with there being no way to have all sides of the war solve themselves peacefully so having all house leaders together in a single moveset does NOT work at all when it comes to representing the game
It represents the Prologue of the game, and Sakurai always represents the first level of the game. ;)
 

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Your reactions?

75. Doom Slayer (Doom)
76. Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
77. Bandanna Waddle Dee (Kirby)
78. Crash (Crash Bandicoot)
79. Ryu Hayabasa (Ninja Gaiden)
80. Arle Nadja (Puyo Puyo)
81. Akira Howard (Astral Chain)
82. Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes)

36ε - Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country)
64ε - Octoling (Splatoon)
71ε - Kasumi (Persona 5 Royal)
 

Kotor

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You know what? Let’s go all out, let’s have Byleth as the Fire Emblem Pokémon’s Trainer with three full original moveset for Dmitri, Edelgard, and Claude that you can swap between. They will cost $15 for the three move-sets and be the only character that comes out for 7 months. Perfect representation for Three Houses that makes fans happy, and an absolute joy for the rest of us as who are more apathetic (or just fine with more FE) as we watch the Smash fandom’s heads collectively roll and explode.
I'm still against forcing this gimmick onto them.
 

DrifloonEmpire

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Gonna have to disagree with you again, the Champions were pretty much equally marketed, yes? That's the issue a lot of people have with bringing them in as they're all equally important. Three Houses though? They've been very blatant about which house leader is the favourite, Edelgard's the only one with any merchandise confirmed and the game's main theme, Edge of Dawn, is a song from her perspective and is even called Lady of Hresvelg in Japanese. Edelgard's undeniably the face of the game, especially as she's always prominent in the story regardless of your route as others tend to be about 2 chapters at best. Again, the Champions are equal so none of them have this particular strength Edelgard has due to BotW's core design putting story on the back burner.


Also sidenote, why do you seemingly dislike 3H? Whenever I heard 'Modern FE bad' it's always about how simplistic Awakening is and how incredibly shameless and poorly written Fates is, 3H doesn't have those problems which is why the FE fandom embraced the game fully
Thank you for correcting me there on the house leaders.

I don't dislike Three Houses at all, I'm just not too interested in it. I don't really care much for Persona either and I know Three Houses takes a decent amount of inspiration from it. My of my dislike for modern FE comes from Awakening and Fates, so I am glad to see that they're turning things around. I just feel looked down upon for not being interested in it. (Also if we get an axe user I'd personally rather see Hector, I really enjoyed playing 7 with a friend of mine.)


Your reactions?

75. Doom Slayer (Doom)
76. Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
77. Bandanna Waddle Dee (Kirby)
78. Crash (Crash Bandicoot)
79. Ryu Hayabasa (Ninja Gaiden)
80. Arle Nadja (Puyo Puyo)
81. Akira Howard (Astral Chain)
82. Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes)

36ε - Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country)
64ε - Octoling (Splatoon)
71ε - Kasumi (Persona 5 Royal)

Feels like a pretty stock standard list of "expected" characters for the most part, though I'm happy to see Crash, Dixie, and Bandana Dee!
 
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bar Marth and maybe Ike, the characters aren't known enough to really draw in non-fans.
I understand too many Marth clones (I ****ing hate Chrom), but this statement is just flat out wrong. FE Awakening was the best selling Fire Emblem game worldwide until Fates came out and beat Awakening out. In fact, Ike's games are some of the worst selling in the franchise. With that logic, :ultchrom::ultrobin::ultlucina::ultcorrin: should stay in every Smash game due to how recognizable they are and :ultroy::ultike: should be the only cuts. Now obviously, that wouldn't solve anything.

Tl;dr maybe Ultimate DLC isn't the best place for an FE newcomer
I don't disagree (Third Parties > First Partie, IMO), but given its rapid growth in popularity and lack of spirits, it's hard to say Three Houses isn't coming. (Lyn > Edelgard)
 
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Flyboy

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Your reactions?

75. Doom Slayer (Doom)
76. Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
77. Bandanna Waddle Dee (Kirby)
78. Crash (Crash Bandicoot)
79. Ryu Hayabasa (Ninja Gaiden)
80. Arle Nadja (Puyo Puyo)
81. Akira Howard (Astral Chain)
82. Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes)

36ε - Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country)
64ε - Octoling (Splatoon)
71ε - Kasumi (Persona 5 Royal)
Lack of a new Capcom rep, particularly Phoenix, is a shame, but considering Arle and Travis are HUGE on my wants list I'd be very very happy. Plus Akira is a nice addition - I really do want a newer rep from a 2019 game and though I've yet to play AC the art style just entrances me.
 

YoshiandToad

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Your reactions?

75. Doom Slayer (Doom)
76. Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
77. Bandanna Waddle Dee (Kirby)
78. Crash (Crash Bandicoot)
79. Ryu Hayabasa (Ninja Gaiden)
80. Arle Nadja (Puyo Puyo)
81. Akira Howard (Astral Chain)
82. Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes)

36ε - Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country)
64ε - Octoling (Splatoon)
71ε - Kasumi (Persona 5 Royal)
Well...Dixie Kong, Bandana Dee, Akira Howard, Travis and Crash would be insta buys..maaaybe Octoling if I had some spare cash and the others I'd probably not bother with honestly. I may change my mind on Doomguy if I can ever get DOOM 2016 on Switch for a reasonable price but we'll see.
 

Ovaltine

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Your reactions?

75. Doom Slayer (Doom)
76. Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
77. Bandanna Waddle Dee (Kirby)
78. Crash (Crash Bandicoot)
79. Ryu Hayabasa (Ninja Gaiden)
80. Arle Nadja (Puyo Puyo)
81. Akira Howard (Astral Chain)
82. Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes)

36ε - Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country)
64ε - Octoling (Splatoon)
71ε - Kasumi (Persona 5 Royal)
If this ended up being our final roster (fully hypothetical, obviously just entertaining predictions for fun), I'd be beyond happy with this. It has my last remaining most wanted (Geno), has characters that I otherwise like, and has respectable icons that really deserve their places in Smash (among them being the long overdue Dixie Kong, Crash Bandicoot, and Ryu Hayabusa, just to name a few). This would be sick.
 

Rie Sonomura

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Your reactions?

75. Doom Slayer (Doom)
76. Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
77. Bandanna Waddle Dee (Kirby)
78. Crash (Crash Bandicoot)
79. Ryu Hayabasa (Ninja Gaiden)
80. Arle Nadja (Puyo Puyo)
81. Akira Howard (Astral Chain)
82. Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes)

36ε - Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country)
64ε - Octoling (Splatoon)
71ε - Kasumi (Persona 5 Royal)
No Elma makes me sad, but Octoling, Kasumi, Dixie, and Bandana Dee would be dope. I might get Astral Chain if Akira gets in too.

Doubt its legitimacy on Travis Touchdown alone though, of all the characters who were seemingly deconfirmed by PR statements, his felt the most official and unchangeable
 
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Your reactions?
[twitter post]

75. Doom Slayer (Doom)
76. Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
77. Bandanna Waddle Dee (Kirby)
78. Crash (Crash Bandicoot)
79. Ryu Hayabasa (Ninja Gaiden)
80. Arle Nadja (Puyo Puyo)
81. Akira Howard (Astral Chain)
82. Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes)

36ε - Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country)
64ε - Octoling (Splatoon)
71ε - Kasumi (Persona 5 Royal)
Hayabusa may be my most wanted newcomer, but to tell you the truth, this lineup doesn't really click with me because I'm indifferent to most of the characters in it with the exception of Doom Slayer and Travis since I think they'd be pretty cool.
 

TheCJBrine

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Your reactions?

75. Doom Slayer (Doom)
76. Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
77. Bandanna Waddle Dee (Kirby)
78. Crash (Crash Bandicoot)
79. Ryu Hayabasa (Ninja Gaiden)
80. Arle Nadja (Puyo Puyo)
81. Akira Howard (Astral Chain)
82. Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes)

36ε - Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country)
64ε - Octoling (Splatoon)
71ε - Kasumi (Persona 5 Royal)
I’d like most of these characters, and just “cool” with the few I’m indifferent about (I’m really just indifferent to any character I don’t personally care about or find really cool).

I’d still feel empty without Steve.
 

Ovaltine

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No Elma makes me sad, but Octoling, Kasumi, Dixie, and Bandana Dee would be dope. I might get Astral Chain if Akira gets in too.

Doubt its legitimacy on Travis Touchdown alone though, of all the characters who were seemingly deconfirmed by PR statements, his felt the most official and unchangeable
Well, its legitimacy doesn't matter because it's a prediction. That much is really clear. It's nice to see a guess from someone who knows the industry better than the usual consumer, though, and I wouldn't doubt we'd at least see a few of these characters. (The only one I'd really say is nearly a lock is Ryu Hayabusa. I doubt he'll miss the boat this time.) Educated predictions from insiders are that tiny bit more fascinating than random peoples' predictions, even if they honestly mean nothing.
 
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my dislike for modern FE comes from Awakening and Fates, so I am glad to see that they're turning things around. I just feel looked down upon for not being interested in it. (Also if we get an axe user I'd personally rather see Hector, I really enjoyed playing 7 with a friend of mine.)
If Three Houses didn't come out and fix every issue I had with modern Fire Emblem, I'd be with you on this. Hector and Lyn were my most wanted Fire Emblem characters. However, Three Houses takes the replayability and massive utility Awakening gives you with Fates interesting branching pathways gimmick and turns it into a grand time. Plus all of the waifu **** is pushed to the very end of the game and its not as cringe worthy. My biggest criticism on maps is that villages are nowhere to be seen, but there are a lot of side objectives on maps anyways. Story can be hit or miss depending on the route and the first half is the same on every route, harming the story, but the writing is generally a step up from Awakening.

My biggest issue with replayability is time. Each route is longer than an average Fire Emblem game, which can be pretty draining.

Your reactions?

75. Doom Slayer (Doom)
76. Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
77. Bandanna Waddle Dee (Kirby)
78. Crash (Crash Bandicoot)
79. Ryu Hayabasa (Ninja Gaiden)
80. Arle Nadja (Puyo Puyo)
81. Akira Howard (Astral Chain)
82. Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes)

36ε - Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country)
64ε - Octoling (Splatoon)
71ε - Kasumi (Persona 5 Royal)
I need to see every fighter in action to get a good idea on how I'd like them. Geno's a win for me, though.
 
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EricTheGamerman

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I'm still against forcing this gimmick onto them.
I’m at best 50% serious about this, it’s just poking fun at the people who bemoan any touch of Fire Emblem in Ultimate’s DLC by offering the idea that we give them three Fire Emblem characters under the guise of one character.

There are obviously very real issues with having all three of them from a lore perspective (**** it though, make a mechanic where you have to keep swapping or one “evolves” into the post timeskip appearance and you can no longer switch as “picking” one or something just so we can show even more favoritism to FE in this scenario), I completely doubt Sakurai will ever devote that many resources to one character again given how successful characters as individual additions are/DLC doesn’t make this economical, and so on.

But it would also be really damn cool to see regardless from multiple angles. Short of being able to do this, just give me Edelgard. I don’t see why we have to get the avatar character every time and Edelgard has been a clear focus from early on for the game. I also agree with the notion that we should add female fighters when it’s appropriate/makes sense and just a female Byleth alt isn’t quite really going far enough in my mind in that regard. I’m fine with Byleth, I just think Edelgard is a much more interesting character that brings more to the table than Byleth does.
 

SKX31

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Your reactions?

75. Doom Slayer (Doom)
76. Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
77. Bandanna Waddle Dee (Kirby)
78. Crash (Crash Bandicoot)
79. Ryu Hayabasa (Ninja Gaiden)
80. Arle Nadja (Puyo Puyo)
81. Akira Howard (Astral Chain)
82. Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes)

36ε - Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country)
64ε - Octoling (Splatoon)
71ε - Kasumi (Persona 5 Royal)
I def. could see this (and I think it's a decent-to-good list overall), my only real complaint being that it lacks a major "WTF?" pick. Maybe Arle and Travis, but to be clear I do think we'll get one that truly surprises people. I don't just mean my favorite genre, I include characters like Gordon and Lara Croft in that category.
 

EricTheGamerman

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No Elma makes me sad, but Octoling, Kasumi, Dixie, and Bandana Dee would be dope. I might get Astral Chain if Akira gets in too.

Doubt its legitimacy on Travis Touchdown alone though, of all the characters who were seemingly deconfirmed by PR statements, his felt the most official and unchangeable
I mean, that was a while back that Suda talked about Travis not being in. It’s possible it’s already changed or could change as they continue DLC.
 

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I understand too many Marth clones (I ****ing hate Chrom), but this statement is just flat out wrong. FE Awakening was the best selling Fire Emblem game worldwide until Fates came out and beat Awakening out. In fact, Ike's games are some of the worst selling in the franchise. With that logic, :ultchrom::ultrobin::ultlucina::ultcorrin: should stay in every Smash game due to how recognizable they are and :ultroy::ultike: should be the only cuts. Now obviously, that wouldn't solve anything.



I don't disagree (Third Parties > First Partie, IMO), but given its rapid growth in popularity and lack of spirits, it's hard to say Three Houses isn't coming. (Lyn > Edelgard)
It's also worth noting that Fates only beats Awakening when combining all three routes as one...which really shouldn't be the case, especially with Revelation considering it's DLC that requires the player having either Birthright or Conquest already, so it gets double counted.

Just a weird fun fact.
 
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I’m at best 50% serious about this, it’s just poking fun at the people who bemoan any touch of Fire Emblem in Ultimate’s DLC by offering the idea that we give them three Fire Emblem characters under the guise of one character.

There are obviously very real issues with having all three of them from a lore perspective (**** it though, make a mechanic where you have to keep swapping or one “evolves” into the post timeskip appearance and you can no longer switch as “picking” one or something just so we can show even more favoritism to FE in this scenario), I completely doubt Sakurai will ever devote that many resources to one character again given how successful characters as individual additions are/DLC doesn’t make this economical, and so on.

But it would also be really damn cool to see regardless from multiple angles. Short of being able to do this, just give me Edelgard. I don’t see why we have to get the avatar character every time and Edelgard has been a clear focus from early on for the game. I also agree with the notion that we should add female fighters when it’s appropriate/makes sense and just a female Byleth alt isn’t quite really going far enough in my mind in that regard. I’m fine with Byleth, I just think Edelgard is a much more interesting character that brings more to the table than Byleth does.
The lords are some of the most interesting out of the entire series (minus Byleth) and they collectively solve the sword fighter complaint. Gives us Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude all at once and you show off some of the best traits of each lord individually without pandering to one house specifically, which is what's holding me back from stanning Dimitri for Smash. I legit like it.
 

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The lords are some of the most interesting out of the entire series (minus Byleth) and they collectively solve the sword fighter complaint. Gives us Edelgard, Dimitri, and Claude all at once and you show off some of the best traits of each lord individually without pandering to one house specifically, which is what's holding me back from stanning Dimitri for Smash. I legit like it.
I mean, I agree that it’s a really cool idea. It’s just so unfeasible given how much work it would require compared to adding multiple characters from multiple different games/series. I think it does have some issues, but nothing that Smash hasn’t previously discarded in favor of making its own rules and creative stuff. I’ll support my own idea, but it would legitimately be the most surprising thing Sakurai could do during this DLC cycle haha.
 

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Your reactions?

75. Doom Slayer (Doom)
76. Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
77. Bandanna Waddle Dee (Kirby)
78. Crash (Crash Bandicoot)
79. Ryu Hayabasa (Ninja Gaiden)
80. Arle Nadja (Puyo Puyo)
81. Akira Howard (Astral Chain)
82. Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes)

36ε - Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country)
64ε - Octoling (Splatoon)
71ε - Kasumi (Persona 5 Royal)
Good - Doom Guy, Geno, Crash Bandicoot, Travis Touchdown
Meh - Bandanna Dee, Ryu Hayabusa, Arle Nadja, Akira Howard
Bad - The echo fighters
 

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Your reactions?

75. Doom Slayer (Doom)
76. Geno (Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars)
77. Bandanna Waddle Dee (Kirby)
78. Crash (Crash Bandicoot)
79. Ryu Hayabasa (Ninja Gaiden)
80. Arle Nadja (Puyo Puyo)
81. Akira Howard (Astral Chain)
82. Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes)

36ε - Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong Country)
64ε - Octoling (Splatoon)
71ε - Kasumi (Persona 5 Royal)
That would be ok, if not very tame. Geno and Crash are pretty hype but otherwise its all ranging from ok to I'd rather not
 
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I mean, I agree that it’s a really cool idea. It’s just so unfeasible given how much work it would require compared to adding multiple characters from multiple different games/series. I think it does have some issues, but nothing that Smash hasn’t previously discarded in favor of making its own rules and creative stuff. I’ll support my own idea, but it would legitimately be the most surprising thing Sakurai could do during this DLC cycle haha.
Yeah. No way in Hell it's actually happening XD
 
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