Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Deleted member]

So here's a question for yall

Are there any characters you want in Smash that's from a game you don't like or necessarily enjoy?

That's weird, the characters I want are from games I enjoy, if they weren't why would I be asking for them?

 

[Opossum]

I don't know if Sakurai would want to negotiate with a non-video game company.

Man do I have news for you about Microsoft...

 

[TheCJBrine]

I don't really want Disney to touch Smash with a ten-foot-pole. Sorry, Sora fans.
I have a lot of respect and nostalgia for the classic Disney comics, like the ones of Barks, but Disney as a corporation itself is really too scummy, monopolistic and aggressive for my liking. That South Park episode with Mickey beating the Jonas Brothers is a good representation of what Disney is, imho, and I don't like it one bit. I wouldn't really be a fan of them being associated with a company like Nintendo.
Also I admit I don't really like Sora AT ALL, I think his design is atrocious and I'm sick and tired of swordsmen, but that's secondary. Just... Leave Smash to Nintendo & Friends.

Aren't they kinda already associated with Nintendo?

 

[Deleted member]

I'm a vocal critic of Xenoblade Chronicles 2, but I'd like to see Rex & Pyra in Smash if only because it's more representation for the Xenoblade Chronicles series.

Also XC2 got snubbed hard. It needed to be released when it did to keep first party momentum on the Switch strong, but it didn't get put up for RPG of the Year at The Game Awards, it was released too late to be in the base Smash roster, and too early to viably be in the first pack of DLC.

So you want Xenoblade characters but you want one from the game you don't like?

 

[merchantofsalt]

Honestly I'd vouch for Dunban as a Shulk echo. Could be released to promote the HD remaster of Xenoblade Chronicles.

 

[Deleted member]

So here's a question for yall

Are there any characters you want in Smash that's from a game you don't like or necessarily enjoy?

Closest one would be

Spoiler: I seriously didnt like this game as much

2B from Nier Automata, game is ok but feels a bit overrated (it seriously needed a bit more Platinum and a bit less Taro). But overall I liked the character and music is phenomenal.

 

[OrpheusTelos]

This "Sora shouldn't be in Smash because Disney" argument really doesn't work because it either relies too heavily on slippery slope arguments or takes a weird moral stance against his inclusion.

"But you can't represent him without Disney so that means we're gonna get non-video game content"

Kingdom Hearts has more than enough original content to work with to where they don't even need to touch the Disney stuff. The world of Kingdom Hearts is so vast that Sakurai can represent the series perfectly without referencing any of the movie worlds. And before anyone says anything about Donald and Goofy needing to be in Sora's Final Smash, reminder that Cloud doesn't have Tifa or Barret in his either. Not every JRPG character has to have a team-based final smash. Yeah, it'd be neat to have them there and it'd be one of the few scenarios where I'd be okay with Sakurai breaking the "no non-video game characters" rule, but they aren't necessary to Sora's moveset.

"Disney's not a video game company so Nintendo shouldn't negotiate with them"

Neither is Microsoft and we have Banjo in Smash. Company of origin doesn't matter as long as the character is from a video game.

"But Disney is evil and I don't want them touching my Smash"

We currently have three Konami characters and Disney is where you choose to draw the line? Don't get me wrong, I absolutely despise the company's business practices, but it's not like we don't already have shady companies working with Nintendo. Again, Konami has treated its employees like **** for years and majorly screwed over some of its biggest creators, yet I don't see anyone complaining about Snake or the Belmonts being included. It's fine to not like Disney, but don't act like Sora's inclusion is going to somehow ruin the game's moral integrity. Disney and Nintendo have already worked together with Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, so I don't see how Sora in Smash is any worse.

I totally understand if people don't want Sora in Smash, Kingdom Hearts isn't everyone's cup of tea. However, don't try to make up slippery slope arguments to justify why your opinion is objectively correct when those same arguments has been disproved multiple times.

 

[NintenZ]

So you want Xenoblade characters but you want one from the game you don't like?

I mean not to speak for Pony but personally speaking Xenoblade's representation from the shift from Smash 4 to Ultimate has been really bad to the point where as a fan I'd really take anyone just for it to get more love.

Sure it's not ideal, I'd rather have someone from the first game or Elma from X, hell even Lora and Jin since I find Torna the Golden Country to be nearly superior in almost every way to base game Xenoblade 2, but if I have to take Rex just for a franchise I adore to get more love? I'll gladly take it.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

I mean...I wouldn't. Because I don't want non-video game stuff in Smash but...if anything was going to get me to...it'd be the Moon theme.

IF I was going to accept non gaming characters(which I won't)...for some reason, I'd be okay with Scrooge, TMNT, Batman and Little Nemo...

I would probably add spomgebob to this list, if only because this group of characters is easily the ones with the best licensed videogames.

And Spongebob is a character who for some reason I can very easily imagine being in a smash clone. ...Nickelodeon, get on that.

 

[Deleted member]

This "Sora shouldn't be in Smash because Disney" argument really doesn't work because it either relies too heavily on slippery slope arguments or takes a weird moral stance against his inclusion.

"But you can't represent him without Disney so that means we're gonna get non-video game content"

Kingdom Hearts has more than enough original content to work with to where they don't even need to touch the Disney stuff. The world of Kingdom Hearts is so vast that Sakurai can represent the series perfectly without referencing any of the movie worlds. And before anyone says anything about Donald and Goofy needing to be in Sora's Final Smash, reminder that Cloud doesn't have Tifa or Barret in his either. Not every JRPG character has to have a team-based final smash. Yeah, it'd be neat to have them there and it'd be one of the few scenarios where I'd be okay with Sakurai breaking the "no non-video game characters" rule, but they aren't necessary to Sora's moveset.

"Disney's not a video game company so Nintendo shouldn't negotiate with them"

Neither is Microsoft and we have Banjo in Smash. Company of origin doesn't matter as long as the character is from a video game.

"But Disney is evil and I don't want them touching my Smash"

We currently have three Konami characters and Disney is where you choose to draw the line? Don't get me wrong, I absolutely despise the company's business practices, but it's not like we don't already have shady companies working with Nintendo. Again, Konami has treated its employees like **** for years and majorly screwed over some of its biggest creators, yet I don't see anyone complaining about Snake or the Belmonts being included. It's fine to not like Disney, but don't act like Sora's inclusion is going to somehow ruin the game's moral integrity. Disney and Nintendo have already worked together with Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, so I don't see how Sora in Smash is any worse.

I totally understand if people don't want Sora in Smash, Kingdom Hearts isn't everyone's cup of tea. However, don't try to make up slippery slope arguments to justify why your opinion is objectively correct when those same arguments has been disproved multiple times.

Don't know why people go through so many mental gymnastics just to say they don't like a character,

 

[Deleted member]

This "Sora shouldn't be in Smash because Disney" argument really doesn't work because it either relies too heavily on slippery slope arguments or takes a weird moral stance against his inclusion.

"But you can't represent him without Disney so that means we're gonna get non-video game content"

Kingdom Hearts has more than enough original content to work with to where they don't even need to touch the Disney stuff. The world of Kingdom Hearts is so vast that Sakurai can represent the series perfectly without referencing any of the movie worlds. And before anyone says anything about Donald and Goofy needing to be in Sora's Final Smash, reminder that Cloud doesn't have Tifa or Barret in his either. Not every JRPG character has to have a team-based final smash. Yeah, it'd be neat to have them there and it'd be one of the few scenarios where I'd be okay with Sakurai breaking the "no non-video game characters" rule, but they aren't necessary to Sora's moveset.

"Disney's not a video game company so Nintendo shouldn't negotiate with them"

Neither is Microsoft and we have Banjo in Smash. Company of origin doesn't matter as long as the character is from a video game.

"But Disney is evil and I don't want them touching my Smash"

We currently have three Konami characters and Disney is where you choose to draw the line? Don't get me wrong, I absolutely despise the company's business practices, but it's not like we don't already have shady companies working with Nintendo. Again, Konami has treated its employees like **** for years and majorly screwed over some of its biggest creators, yet I don't see anyone complaining about Snake or the Belmonts being included. It's fine to not like Disney, but don't act like Sora's inclusion is going to somehow ruin the game's moral integrity. Disney and Nintendo have already worked together with Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, so I don't see how Sora in Smash is any worse.

I totally understand if people don't want Sora in Smash, Kingdom Hearts isn't everyone's cup of tea. However, don't try to make up slippery slope arguments to justify why your opinion is objectively correct when those same arguments has been disproved multiple times.

I find it silly and you could even consider MS being worse gaming wise and is already on the game. MS still has a pretty big monopoly on various computing related sectors and their current situation on Xbox is a result of wanting to implement awful policies including not being able to play used games.

 

[N3ON]

I just think it'd be wild to look down at that ever-increasing wall of character copyrights that starts with Nintendo and then like twenty companies later lists the likes of Microsoft and Disney.

 

[Deleted member]

I mean not to speak for Pony but personally speaking Xenoblade's representation from the shift from Smash 4 to Ultimate has been really bad to the point where as a fan I'd really take anyone just for it to get more love.

Sure it's not ideal, I'd rather have someone from the first game or Elma from X, hell even Lora and Jin since I find Torna the Golden Country to be nearly superior in almost every way to base game Xenoblade 2, but if I have to take Rex just for a franchise I adore to get more love? I'll gladly take it.

Not so picky huh? I'm the opposite, if I don't get what I ask for then I'm probably ignore it or not care at all.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Honestly I'd vouch for Dunban as a Shulk echo.

It's Shulk, but he can only use Monado Buster, and if the match lasts longer than 2:00 he literally dies and automatically loses the match.

And before anyone says anything about Donald and Goofy needing to be in Sora's Final Smash, reminder that Cloud doesn't have Tifa or Barret in his either.

I'd like to add that Sora's Final Smash in SSF2 is literally just a big combo attack executed. Donald and Goofy show up to start the combo, but add nothing to it for the part that's actually important. Do with that information what you will.

 

[NintenZ]

Not so picky huh? I'm the opposite, if I don't get what I ask for then I'm probably ignore it or not care at all.

Yeah don't worry I totally get where you're coming from, imo characters like Fiora, Melia, Elma, and Lora would make much better characters for Smash, but at this rate I just want more Xenoblade content lmao.

 

[BlueMonk]

I don't really like Sora but I feel like at this point Sakurai could get any company on board with smash lol, he's definitely a possibility

 

[Michael the Spikester]

And remember the statement Sakurai said.

"Pleasing as many fans".

Now thatare all in. Sora is probably the current most demanded character wouldn't rule him out.

I don't expect Sora for the final of this pass but pass that definitely.

 

[cothero]

So here's a question for yall

Are there any characters you want in Smash that's from a game you don't like or necessarily enjoy?

I share the shame opinion of GoodGrief741. Tracer would be kinda cool.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Sakurai is a warlock, if there is anyone who cab make Disney play ball easily it's him. lol

 

[NintenZ]

Man do I have news for you about Microsoft...

Ikb4 people say it was through Rare and XBOX when the ones specifically credited are Microsoft and not either Rare or XBOX (Hell the XBOX isn’t namedropped in the slightest)

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

(Hell the XBOX isn’t namedropped in the slightest)

"If you want to check out Banjo-Kazooie, You'll have to do it on X-Box."

-Sakurai (paraphrased) 2019.

 

[NintenZ]

"If you want to check out Banjo-Kazooie, You'll have to do it on X-Box."

-Sakurai (paraphrased) 2019.

(To be fair that was only on-stream and otherwise in-game no mention of XBOX is prevalent but I still lol at how surreal that quote is)

 

[krokotopia101]

I'd like to add that Sora's Final Smash in SSF2 is literally just a big combo attack executed. Donald and Goofy show up to start the combo, but add nothing to it for the part that's actually important. Do with that information what you will.

Even then, throughout the KH game himself, gameplay wise, Sora has done enough feats that don't require Donald & Goofy at all. The boy has a wide variety of abilties in just about each game that he does mostly by himself. Final Smash could be on the line of using Trinity by himself....(Since he's proven to do that)

(Tried to put gif. Failed.)

As someone who played the game, the argument of Sora's playstyle being tied to Disney characters seems....ridiculous

 

[EricTheGamerman]

You're right, bringing up the excitement of the Mii costume is a false equivalency because full-on playable characters are more hype. I literally named a character with a large fan base (spanning over 20 years) who was in a bunch of spinoffs/crossovers who was also made DLC in her own series that can realistically work as an echo fighter while remaining true to the character. If you think someone like Sakura would not bring in more Capcom fans (or even fans who like her school girl design), you are mistaken. It'd sell. Especially at a discount. Though anything they do at this point will sell. All I'm saying is don't be surprised if it happens; it wouldn't make sense not to do it eventually.

What? Literally no Echo will eclipse the hype of Sans. That's one of the most hype moments of Ultimate's life cycle for crying out, and none of the options for Echoes (because, they are both overwhelmingly predictable and limited given the nature of what Echoes have to be) will be able to eclipse Sans' announcement. Sans was special for a variety of circumstances unique to him and him alone, alongside being the first DLC to incorporate new music outside of a character addition and showing how far they could go with a Mii costume while giving a special shoutout to Toby Fox as the creator. That's the false equivalency. Hell, several unique playable characters won't live up to the specific circumstances of Sans' inclusion.

You're kidding yourself if you think that Sakura is more popular than Sans (She's not by any stretch of the imagination). Again, I'm going to bring it up, why make another shoto clone for Smash (easily one of the worst examples of Street Fighter continuing to pad its roster and something we shouldn't be aiming to emulate in my opinion)... when you could just go all out and develop a proper Chun-Li if you absolutely must have another Street Fighter character in Smash? Chun-Li is way more popular, would bring more unique elements to the table, and could be a bigger icon in Smash overall. Chun-Li would sell better than Sakura and bring more to the game in the process.

I'm debating you on the point of if Echoes will sell, I've already said they would. But you don't just pick what sells in a business, you pick what sells best and makes your brand the most appealing/bigger.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

So you want Xenoblade characters but you want one from the game you don't like?

I'll take pretty much any Xenoblade character.

The only thing is that it's mainly between Elma and Rex & Pyra, and between the two Rex & Pyra win out in pretty much every regard.

This "Sora shouldn't be in Smash because Disney" argument really doesn't work because it either relies too heavily on slippery slope arguments or takes a weird moral stance against his inclusion.

"But you can't represent him without Disney so that means we're gonna get non-video game content"

Kingdom Hearts has more than enough original content to work with to where they don't even need to touch the Disney stuff. The world of Kingdom Hearts is so vast that Sakurai can represent the series perfectly without referencing any of the movie worlds. And before anyone says anything about Donald and Goofy needing to be in Sora's Final Smash, reminder that Cloud doesn't have Tifa or Barret in his either. Not every JRPG character has to have a team-based final smash. Yeah, it'd be neat to have them there and it'd be one of the few scenarios where I'd be okay with Sakurai breaking the "no non-video game characters" rule, but they aren't necessary to Sora's moveset.

"Disney's not a video game company so Nintendo shouldn't negotiate with them"

Neither is Microsoft and we have Banjo in Smash. Company of origin doesn't matter as long as the character is from a video game.

"But Disney is evil and I don't want them touching my Smash"

We currently have three Konami characters and Disney is where you choose to draw the line? Don't get me wrong, I absolutely despise the company's business practices, but it's not like we don't already have shady companies working with Nintendo. Again, Konami has treated its employees like **** for years and majorly screwed over some of its biggest creators, yet I don't see anyone complaining about Snake or the Belmonts being included. It's fine to not like Disney, but don't act like Sora's inclusion is going to somehow ruin the game's moral integrity. Disney and Nintendo have already worked together with Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, so I don't see how Sora in Smash is any worse.

I totally understand if people don't want Sora in Smash, Kingdom Hearts isn't everyone's cup of tea. However, don't try to make up slippery slope arguments to justify why your opinion is objectively correct when those same arguments has been disproved multiple times.

First off,


I always love seeing A+ arguments like these. Especially when they're for my boy. You're a real one OrpheusTelos .

Second, if anyone says **** about Donald and Goofy having to be in Sora's Final Smash, they don't. Sora's Final Smash will probably be Ragnarok considering it seems to be his go to finisher attack. No need for Donald or Goofy (though it'd be cool if we could get them).

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

I'll take pretty much any Xenoblade character.

The only thing is that it's mainly between Elma and Rex & Pyra, and between the two Rex & Pyra win out in pretty much every regard.

With Xenoblade definitive edition next year, could we see a second original Xenoblade character, though? Not that I think it's likely, just something to think about. (I really want Jin instead. Not gonna lie. It makes me a little sad it won't happen.)

 

[DarthEnderX]

That's weird, the characters I want are from games I enjoy, if they weren't why would I be asking for them?

I like a lot of characters that are stuck in *****y movies/shows/games.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I'm going to be honest. I'm not sure I want Sora to come along without ANY Disney characters despite that being the most likely outcome. Let's be honest, Kingdom Hearts extended cast that isn't Final Fantasy or Disney characters are... mediocre to say the VERY least.

 

[TriggerX]

I'm going to be honest. I'm not sure I want Sora to come along without ANY Disney characters despite that being the most likely outcome. Let's be honest, Kingdom Hearts extended cast that isn't Final Fantasy or Disney characters are... mediocre to say the VERY least.

Im on the opposite end of the spectrum on this. As a big fan of the series.( Well 3 was a bit of a disappointment ) I’d actually prefer not seeing any Disney characters.
They don't add enough content to his character to even justify tagging along.

Even if I had to come up with the ideal move set for Sora, can’t say I would include anything related to Disney.

Riku, Kairi, Axel, and a shadow Heartless are all the characters you need to represent the series. And as a bonus you have Cloud.

 

[DarthEnderX]

My opinion on Sora is that I like his design and I like his character, even though I don't like his games.

That said, I think Kingdom Hearts is easily a big enough and important enough franchise that Sora deserves a spot. And I think KH can easily be represented without any Disney cartoon or movie content.

THAT said, I still think it's possible that Nintendo considers KH(and, by extension Sora) to be a Disney cartoon/movie property, not a video game property. Not saying that's the case, just that it's possible.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I'm going to be honest. I'm not sure I want Sora to come along without ANY Disney characters despite that being the most likely outcome. Let's be honest, Kingdom Hearts extended cast that isn't Final Fantasy or Disney characters are... mediocre to say the VERY least.

Really? Have you and I played the same series?

Honestly, while both suffer from "dumb JRPG protagonist syndrome" some of the time, I think at the Sora and Riku are standout characters. Seeing their character arcs progress over the series has been incredibly fulfilling.

Roxas, Axel, and Xion are also an amazing trio, and 358/2 in general has one of the best stories in the series, as overlooked as it is.

My opinion on Sora is that I like his design and I like his character, even though I don't like his games.

That said, I think Kingdom Hearts is easily a big enough and important enough franchise that Sora deserves a spot. And I think KH can easily be represented without any Disney cartoon or movie content.

THAT said, I still think it's possible that Nintendo considers KH(and, by extension Sora) to be a Disney cartoon/movie property, not a video game property. Not saying that's the case, just that it's possible.

I highly doubt it. KH isn't a Disney cartoon (though it almost was), and while it is a Disney property, it's still a video game. At the very least, Sakurai sees it that way.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Yeah, by the third game, the OCs are clearly the only characters that matter to the overall plot.

 

[Polan]

What? Literally no Echo will eclipse the hype of Sans. That's one of the most hype moments of Ultimate's life cycle for crying out, and none of the options for Echoes (because, they are both overwhelmingly predictable and limited given the nature of what Echoes have to be) will be able to eclipse Sans' announcement. Sans was special for a variety of circumstances unique to him and him alone, alongside being the first DLC to incorporate new music outside of a character addition and showing how far they could go with a Mii costume while giving a special shoutout to Toby Fox as the creator. That's the false equivalency. Hell, several unique playable characters won't live up to the specific circumstances of Sans' inclusion.

You're kidding yourself if you think that Sakura is more popular than Sans (She's not by any stretch of the imagination). Again, I'm going to bring it up, why make another shoto clone for Smash (easily one of the worst examples of Street Fighter continuing to pad its roster and something we shouldn't be aiming to emulate in my opinion)... when you could just go all out and develop a proper Chun-Li if you absolutely must have another Street Fighter character in Smash? Chun-Li is way more popular, would bring more unique elements to the table, and could be a bigger icon in Smash overall. Chun-Li would sell better than Sakura and bring more to the game in the process.

I'm debating you on the point of if Echoes will sell, I've already said they would. But you don't just pick what sells in a business, you pick what sells best and makes your brand the most appealing/bigger.

the idea of a bloody mii costume being the biggest announcement in ultimate's lifecycle is just...sad. all these legendary characters in one game and the meme skeleton is what really set off waves?

 

[DarthEnderX]

the idea of a bloody mii costume being the biggest announcement in ultimate's lifecycle is just...sad. all these legendary characters in one game and the meme skeleton is what really set off waves?

Well, the meme skeleton is probably the best actual character. Sorry his game is also a meme.

 

[Sysreq]

We're popping the BIGGEST bottles when Ruby Heart returns and brings the MvC2 character select screen music with her!!

Oh ****, I would be all over that. One of the most no-way-in-hell picks, but I would actually be super hyped. I love RH's design.

 

[osby]

Sora originated in a video game. Kingdom Hearts is a video game series. Sora pretty much only ever appeared in video games and their media adaptations.

If Nintendo considers him as a animation character, they don't know anything about him.

I'm going to be honest. I'm not sure I want Sora to come along without ANY Disney characters despite that being the most likely outcome. Let's be honest, Kingdom Hearts extended cast that isn't Final Fantasy or Disney characters are... mediocre to say the VERY least.

Did you played Birth by Sleep or...?

 

[perfectchaos83]

My stance on Sora is simple, I don't see it happening until Disney wants something substantial from Nintendo. If Nintendo is the one wanting something from Disney, then Disney holds the power in those negotiations. The absolute best position you can be in is to have Disney want something from you, because they will get it so long as the other party is willing to negotiate.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Well, the meme skeleton is probably the best actual character. Sorry his game is also a meme.

Is it bad that I kind of agree?

Sora originated in a video game. Kingdom Hearts is a video game series. Sora pretty much only ever appeared in video games and their media adaptations.

If Nintendo considers him as a animation character, they don't know anything about him.



Did you played Birth by Sleep or...?

Birth by Sleep is great, but man did they do the BBS trio a disservice in KH3.

Spoiler: Endgame KH3 Spoilers

Aqua and Ventus not showing up until endgame, Aqua getting wrecked by the Mega Dark Ball of Destruction and Darkness, Aqua getting bodied by Vanitas, Aqua and Ventus doing little in the Keyblade Graveyard (SERIOUSLY ****ING TWO KEYBLADE MASTERS DO JACK **** VS THE DEMON WAVE) outside of their fight vs. Terranort and Vanitas (and having to be helped by Sora to win).

 

[ze9]

This "Sora shouldn't be in Smash because Disney" argument really doesn't work because it either relies too heavily on slippery slope arguments or takes a weird moral stance against his inclusion.

"But you can't represent him without Disney so that means we're gonna get non-video game content"

Kingdom Hearts has more than enough original content to work with to where they don't even need to touch the Disney stuff. The world of Kingdom Hearts is so vast that Sakurai can represent the series perfectly without referencing any of the movie worlds. And before anyone says anything about Donald and Goofy needing to be in Sora's Final Smash, reminder that Cloud doesn't have Tifa or Barret in his either. Not every JRPG character has to have a team-based final smash. Yeah, it'd be neat to have them there and it'd be one of the few scenarios where I'd be okay with Sakurai breaking the "no non-video game characters" rule, but they aren't necessary to Sora's moveset.

"Disney's not a video game company so Nintendo shouldn't negotiate with them"

Neither is Microsoft and we have Banjo in Smash. Company of origin doesn't matter as long as the character is from a video game.

"But Disney is evil and I don't want them touching my Smash"

We currently have three Konami characters and Disney is where you choose to draw the line? Don't get me wrong, I absolutely despise the company's business practices, but it's not like we don't already have shady companies working with Nintendo. Again, Konami has treated its employees like **** for years and majorly screwed over some of its biggest creators, yet I don't see anyone complaining about Snake or the Belmonts being included. It's fine to not like Disney, but don't act like Sora's inclusion is going to somehow ruin the game's moral integrity. Disney and Nintendo have already worked together with Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, so I don't see how Sora in Smash is any worse.

I totally understand if people don't want Sora in Smash, Kingdom Hearts isn't everyone's cup of tea. However, don't try to make up slippery slope arguments to justify why your opinion is objectively correct when those same arguments has been disproved multiple times.

Disney is the Frieza to Konami's Pilaf.

 

[BZL8]

Phil Spencer acknowledging the demand for Banjo-Kazooie in Smash most likely helped. Maybe have Bob Iger himself acknowledge the demand for Sora?