Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

I was never thinking of Age of Calamity at any point. That's what I remember strictly about BOTW2. Guess I remembered wrong, then.

To be fair, it was never officially referenced to as Breath of the Wild 2. It was specifically called the Breath of the Wild Sequel in its reveal trailer.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well, we have seen like, 30 seconds of BotW2 footage, and all we've really seen is short haired Zelda and Ganondorf as a dried husk, oh, and Link, but that's it lol.

Honestly, I must've read theories and mistook it.

No matter. I hope we learn more soon.

 

[Aerospherology]

To be fair, it was never officially referenced to as Breath of the Wild 2. It was specifically called the Breath of the Wild Sequel in its reveal trailer.

It's shorthand.

 

[ALongWistfulSquiggle]

It's shorthand.

I'm aware. I was just putting the official terms (as of now) out there.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

To be fair, it was never officially referenced to as Breath of the Wild 2. It was specifically called the Breath of the Wild Sequel in its reveal trailer.

Then it could go either way. Yoshi's Island, for instance, is called Super Mario World 2, and is a direct sequel in terms of how it's presented, but we know it takes place before Super Mario World.

Just calling it a "sequel" might not be enough to really have a clear indication.

The way I understood it is this is how Ganondorf becomes Calamaity Ganon as the core theory. But it's just a theory. So anyway, until we learn more, it's hard to consider it a straight sequel to the story, when it could be a prelude. We don't know enough either way.

 

[Shroob]

Then it could go either way. Yoshi's Island, for instance, is called Super Mario World 2, and is a direct sequel in terms of how it's presented, but we know it takes place before Super Mario World.

Just calling it a "sequel" might not be enough to really have a clear indication.

The way I understood it is this is how Ganondorf becomes Calamaity Ganon as the core theory. But it's just a theory. So anyway, until we learn more, it's hard to consider it a straight sequel to the story, when it could be a prelude. We don't know enough either way.

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but Link and Zelda are together during it, and the only time that Link and Zelda are together at all in BotW is at the end, right?


Dunno what theory you're going off of here, but the fact that they're together kinda implies it'd either have to take place LONG before the events of the first game, which seems really unlikely due to the ending scene where Hyrule's in the post-calamity state, or after BotW.


I just wouldn't take random theories that deeply to heart tbh.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but Link and Zelda are together during it, and the only time that Link and Zelda are together at all in BotW is at the end, right?


Dunno what theory you're going off of here, but the fact that they're together kinda implies it'd either have to take place LONG before the events of the first game, which seems really unlikely due to the ending scene where Hyrule's in the post-calamity state, or after BotW.


I just wouldn't take random theories that deeply to heart tbh.

Actually, Link was found within the start of the game. We don't know if he was alive or just born a few years from that point. He could've been kept in some kind of stasis, much like OOT. He doesn't even have proper memories, which he found based upon events in the past game. They way I interpreted it is he was actually alive and met all the Champions and Zelda beforehand.

That's why I consider it either way. The story wasn't clear enough to me.

That said, I do agree that it looks more likely as a direct sequel, they're just not really enough clarity on it. But I'm one to not believe the most likely by hard default and keep an open mind. ...I'm aware it's selective too.

 

[Shroob]

Actually, Link was found within the start of the game. We don't know if he was alive or just born a few years from that point. He could've been kept in some kind of stasis, much like OOT. He doesn't even have proper memories, which he found based upon events in the past game. They way I interpreted it is he was actually alive and met all the Champions and Zelda beforehand.

That's why I consider it either way. The story wasn't clear enough to me.

That said, I do agree that it looks more likely as a direct sequel, they're just not really enough clarity on it. But I'm one to not believe the most likely by hard default and keep an open mind. ...I'm aware it's selective too.

I mean....

Spoiler: BotW spoilers but

That seems pretty clear cut what happens.

 

[Kokiden]

I hope that this will be Sephiroth's victory screen. What a badass mockup.

So I saw @maximilian_'s video about Sephiroth in Smash & he speculated the fiery intro at the start of his trailer could be a unique victory screen like Joker's, so I made a quick mock-up of it and....omg

This would be my favorite victory screen of all time if true pic.twitter.com/ubcwX1ibjD

— Aero (@ActualAero) December 13, 2020

I hope that the remaining DLC's will get unique victory screens. Interesting how Joker is the only one who has one. Shame the others couldn't get one.

Then again, anything less for Joker would have done the character a disservice, since style is what P5, and Joker, is all about.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I mean....

That seems pretty clear cut what happens.

I never said my memory was good. Nonetheless, I'd prefer if you explained it instead of a video, but no matter. I remembered wrong, so let's leave it at that.

Really, they deal with time travel too much, don't they? XD

 

[Shroob]

I never said my memory was good. Nonetheless, I'd prefer if you explained it instead of a video, but no matter. I remembered wrong, so let's leave it at that.

Really, they deal with time travel too much, don't they? XD

I mean, it's not really even time travel lol. The memories in BotW were just Link remembering **** that happened in the past, and considering we see the moment Link falls and is escorted to the Shrine of Resurrection, we pretty much can piece together the timeline of events, where he gets nearly killed, and then put into stasis until the game starts.


Then there's the sequel and, considering we see Zelda with long hair throughout all the first game's memories, up until you meet her again at the end, and we see Zelda in the BotW2 trailer with EXTREMELY short hair, either Zelda used magic to grow her hair out, or it's 100% a sequel lol. Doubly supported by the fact that we see Hyrule in a post-calamity state.


....I guess I'm starting up hair theory now!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I mean, it's not really even time travel lol. The memories in BotW were just Link remembering **** that happened in the past, and considering we see the moment Link falls and is escorted to the Shrine of Resurrection, we pretty much can piece together the timeline of events, where he gets nearly killed, and then put into stasis until the game starts.


Then there's the sequel and, considering we see Zelda with long hair throughout all the first game's memories, up until you meet her again at the end, and we see Zelda in the BotW2 trailer with EXTREMELY short hair, either Zelda used magic to grow her hair out, or it's 100% a sequel lol. Doubly supported by the fact that we see Hyrule in a post-calamity state.


....I guess I'm starting up hair theory now!

Her hair's shorter because Sephirotg stole it for his daily shampoo and conditioner bottles

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Who would the other more iconic or recognisable characters be, in your opinion?

Erm...Heihachi?

Nightmare?

...

I honestly don't know that many 3rd party villains

I gotta say The Old Man would be a wild pick.

Heyo!

Zelda literally had no core moveset to work with, and had to borrow straight from Link's repertoire(which to note she has done in every playable appearance in general. She never fought in any form using truly unique stuff till after Smash). Zelda and Sheik frankly got in because of their gimmick.

Um. No. Zelda got in because she's freaking Zelda, the titular character of The Legend of Zelda series. Sheik got in alongside her because she was an important part of her character at the time, she wasn't the sole reason Zelda got in at all.

Ganondorf didn't get in on his own merits. He got in because he was an easy clone, being hard called a "lucky addition".

This assumes that the two things are mutually exclusive. They are not.

No, going by my logic he had no clearly flowing moveset outside of the clone stuff till HW(for the OOT/TP style designs), which actually gives Sakurai something to look at in order to make a flowing moveset.

That they wouldn't be able to use because it's specific to that version of the character, and why use a version of a character you don't own when there are a bunch of ones that you do...

Actually, come to think of it, Hyrule Warriors released about a month before Super Smash Bros. for Wii U did, so it almost certainly wasn't far enough along to be considered during the planning phases...

The thing about Ganondorf is he flows only because he's a clone. That's why Toon Ganondorf is the only other one to stick out with having a proper combat sequence, which would've made him feasible during Brawl, if any.

Um...ALL versions of Ganon/Ganondorf have proper combat sequences. Even if they didn't there are a whole bunch of characters that pull something from very little to nothing. If none of the prior versions of the character were feasible for a lack of source material (which didn't exist in reality) then we wouldn't even have Captain Falcon for crying out loud!

He's the only one that would've stood a chance to get into Brawl, and that assumes that Sakurai had any time to make him unique. Which considering we knew the game was delayed for Sonic, and couldn't even fit in other planned clones and unique characters? That's a no. So it was pretty much at best a semi-clone option at that point. TP Ganondorf maybe would've gotten in, using Falcon as a base(as they are still pretty much similar bodyshapes). But that's as far as he really stood a chance. That also doesn't make much sense since it's only OOT Ganondorf that shared clear abilities that were easy to interpret that worked well with Falcon's moveset. So in the end, unique was severely unlikely due to no real time, and a clone was not in the table outside of reusing OOT Ganondorf like they did in Melee(not exactly the most logical, since there was no OOT remake/re-release of note at the time). He was not in a good position whatsoever during Brawl.

This assumes that Ganondorf wouldn't have been one of the characters planned from the very beginning. It would have meant that we wouldn't have someone else like Pit or R.O.B. or Ike, but it does not mean that Ganondorf would have no chance at all.

Everybody else was a clear special situation for the Zelda franchise. This is already evident by the severe lack of newcomers.

There is a severe lack of newcomers due to the fact that the series has a rotating cast, and none of these cast members are main characters. This is a thing for all series like this, as Fire Emblem doesn't have a single side character (except for arguably Lucina, who is an alternate costume turned clone character), and once Pokémon got all of its biggest names, it has transitioned to only getting one of the Pokémon that are getting the biggest marketing push, usually the starters.

It is in no way evidence that Link would have been the only The Legend of Zelda character until the fourth or fifth installment in the series.

 

[Shroob]

Her hair's shorter because Sephirotg stole it for his daily shampoo and conditioner bottles

Speaking of me and dumb theories...

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FIRE THEORY LIVES BAY-BEH!

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Speaking of me and dumb theories...

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FIRE THEORY LIVES BAY-BEH!

Based and fiyahpilled

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Speaking of me and dumb theories...

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FIRE THEORY LIVES BAY-BEH!

The worst part about this is that Sephy seems to have Firaga so you're right

 

[ChunkySlugger72]

Bowser, Ganondorf, Sephiroth & Eggman are the Mount Rushmore of video game villains. No one comes close to those four.

Donkey Kong (Arcade Era)

 

[Shroob]

The worst part about this is that Sephy seems to have Firaga so you're right

That makes it even better.


Hello yes hello I'd like my 2 minutes of internet fame YouTube content farms, please and thank you.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I mean, it's not really even time travel lol. The memories in BotW were just Link remembering **** that happened in the past, and considering we see the moment Link falls and is escorted to the Shrine of Resurrection, we pretty much can piece together the timeline of events, where he gets nearly killed, and then put into stasis until the game starts.


Then there's the sequel and, considering we see Zelda with long hair throughout all the first game's memories, up until you meet her again at the end, and we see Zelda in the BotW2 trailer with EXTREMELY short hair, either Zelda used magic to grow her hair out, or it's 100% a sequel lol. Doubly supported by the fact that we see Hyrule in a post-calamity state.


....I guess I'm starting up hair theory now!

Eh, the only other thing they could do is an alternate timeline. Which isn't uncommon, but yeah, I can concur the chance of it not being a straight sequel is super low.

It's not been confirmed outright, which is why I don't outright call it that. I don't deny that it makes sense, though.

Anyway, moving on I just want Ganondorf playable in a regular game already. Or Ganon. I mean, I don't know if Zelda Classic has done it yet(though I am working on actual proper Zelda 1 Ganon resprite, using logically the Moblin as a base).

 

[Guynamednelson]

I’m pretty sure you’re counting Hero/Banjo as one reveal together

That is correct.

 

[blackghost]

I will theorize that maybe they initially scrapped Chun-Li because they had no clue how to work her inputs but then they tried with Terry and it worked surprisingly well so there could be a chance they might try again with Chun in Pass 2. Though again, it's just pure speculation.

And i sure hope she has those legs unnerfed.

that doesnt fit because the initial attempts at inputs were done in smash 4 with ryu and Bayonetta.

 

[Joinallthreacs.smash]

Speaking of me and dumb theories...

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FIRE THEORY LIVES BAY-BEH!

Time for my hot leak then

Spoiler: Spoiler

 

[blackghost]

The old 7-Squares list from Vergeben.

Luminary
Erdrick
Slime
Crono
Sephiroth
Geno
...and I forgot the 7th

Were all names that Verg had supposedly heard tossed around iirc

crono is a character along with Mortal kombat i safely think is at a 0 percent chance. Chrono is a licensing nightmare.

 

[Blade of Evil's Bane]

Age of Calamity Zelda for Smash.

Spoiler

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I'm kidding.

Spoiler

Everyone knows there's a much superior pick...

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But seriously, Impa would be the most hype pick for me.

 

[I.D.]

What makes the current moveset shine is the whole "King of Disrespect" vibe it gives off, which woudn't really work with Black Shadow.

God
I'm not even a Zelda fan and reading stuff like this makes me feel genuinely sorry for them
Imagine knowing that you are 100% guaranteed to never properly get your main antagonist, despite zelda being one of nintendo's main pillars, becuase smash veterans have latched onto a ****ty meme pick

 

[Joinallthreacs.smash]

Hmm. I'm thinking now that Sans and Cuphead are out of the running, Nicalis is probably a nightmare to work with, Shantae is a spirit, Shovel Knight is an assist, and Hades just came out. That mean if we get an Indie rep it will either be the Knight or

Oh no

 

[Idon]

God
I'm not even a Zelda fan and reading stuff like this makes me feel genuinely sorry for them
Imagine knowing that you are 100% guaranteed to never properly get your main antagonist, despite zelda being one of nintendo's main pillars, becuase smash veterans have latched onto a ****ty meme pick

Ganondorf rework in 2030 boutta be
"increased damage and knockback on warlock punch"

and that's it.

 

[Mamboo07]

Honestly, if we got a character that wasn’t from a video game. I’d want it to be a scaled down Godzilla. Not saying I want a character like that, but if we had to get one.

Godzilla would be freaking epic!

If I had to choose one, I would go with Lincoln from Loud House.
(Don't ask why him over Spongebob)

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

God
I'm not even a Zelda fan and reading stuff like this makes me feel genuinely sorry for them
Imagine knowing that you are 100% guaranteed to never properly get your main antagonist, despite zelda being one of nintendo's main pillars, becuase smash veterans have latched onto a ****ty meme pick

Okay, I have this new moveset concept for Ganondorf that mixes Ocarina of Time and Hyrule Warriors that will let us shunt the old moveset to Samurai Goroh or Blood Falcon-
"BUT MY DISRESPECT KING"
Alright, if we're not changing Ganondorf, I have some proposals for Pig/Beast Ganon as a zoner with a polearm-
"NOT ANOTHER TRIFORCE USER"

 

[Shroob]

Well, 2 days time from now, we'll all be waiting on baited breath to see:

If Sephiroth drops that day
If Sephiroth brings more than the bare minimum for FF songs
If Geno lives or dies

 

[I.D.]

Ganondorf rework in 2030 boutta be
"increased damage and knockback on warlock punch"

and that's it.

Like seriously
Imagine looking at this

and being like "what the **** that looks way too boring, give me CAPTAIN FALCON BUT SLOWER instead, now THAT'S real hype" and then they go stomp noobs over a crappy WiFi connection since that's realistically the only thing ****nondorf is good at.

And that's just a mod, with all the limitations it brings, imagine what could be done in a real smash title, especially nowadays.

The worst part about this is that Sephy seems to have Firaga so you're right

It's FIRE3 you damn zoomers

 

[AmphabulouSnake]

The indie rep will be Reimu and you will HAVE to accept that you're in fact playing a weeb game
(actually most western fans should've realized this by now but they keep saying "waaaahhh why other anime man swordfighter me want Bubsy in the game not that weeb trash in my japanese game" lmao)

 

[Polan]

in honor of sephiroths inclusion i think we should all revert to late 2000s era edgy forum goers. its the only proper way to truly celebrate the father of all edgelords

 

[DarthEnderX]

in honor of sephiroths inclusion i think we should all revert to late 2000s era edgy forum goers. its the only proper way to truly celebrate the father of all edgelords

Okay.

Been playing Age of Calamity...these stupid Hyrule Warriors games keep tricking me into forgetting I ****ing hate Musou games until I start playing them...

I swear! They won't get me a third time!!

That mean if we get an Indie rep it will either be the Knight or

You have an indie rep. That little blocky dude.

 

[Deleted member]

I have a question. Why are people saying that Crash is the most likeliest, even over Monster Hunter? I know we cannot predict the probability of characters. But Monster Hunter's chances of being CP9 right now are quite interesting. Not saying it is a guarantee, we have always been fooled. But it is something to note.

God
I'm not even a Zelda fan and reading stuff like this makes me feel genuinely sorry for them
Imagine knowing that you are 100% guaranteed to never properly get your main antagonist, despite zelda being one of nintendo's main pillars, becuase smash veterans have latched onto a ****ty meme pick

I don't think Nintendo refuses to rework Ganondorf because of Smash fans, probably because they wanted to play it safe, and they just used the old characters' moves from the last games. Plus, it gives them more time, because there definitely was a time issue. If there wasn't a time issue, we would have gotten Steve, Piranha Plant, Hero, and Rex in base roster. Or maybe they felt their moves were satisfying already. I am not sure. Though, I do not think Nintendo kept the old moves of a lot of the characters, because of a few Melee fans.

 

[Polan]

You have an indie rep. That little blocky dude.

people get mad if you point out that steve minecraft was an indie rep at one point. he isnt anymore but i still think of him as one.

 

[Deleted member]

I think what is funny and sad about Ganondorf is that poor dude has been unviable since Brawl. In Ultimate, he has been a lot better than before. In Brawl and Smash 4, he was on bottom tier. But Ganondorf in Ultimate still has issues, like he gets destroyed by nearly every single DLC character. Especially Joker, Min Min, and Steve.

 

[Shroob]

I have a question. Why are people saying that Crash is the most likeliest, even over Monster Hunter? I know we cannot predict the probability of characters. But Monster Hunter's chances of being CP9 right now are quite interesting. Not saying it is a guarantee, we have always been fooled. But it is something to note.

I don't think Nintendo refuses to rework Ganondorf because of Smash fans, probably because they wanted to play it safe, and they just used the old characters' moves from the last games. Plus, it gives them more time, because there definitely was a time issue. If there wasn't a time issue, we would have gotten Steve, Piranha Plant, Hero, and Rex in base roster. Or maybe they felt their moves were satisfying already. I am not sure. Though, I do not think Nintendo kept the old moves of a lot of the characters, because of a few Melee fans.

No clue really.


It'd be NICE if Crash got in, but I don't see him more likely than any other character. I will say that there could be merit to this supposed 'list' that involves Crash and the plan about him, but I'm also not 100% convinced that said list exists as it's presented in leaks. I do believe it 'exists', but the Smash stuff feels incredibly fake.

 

[N3ON]

I think what is funny and sad about Ganondorf is that poor dude has been unviable since Brawl. In Ultimate, he has been a lot better than before. In Brawl and Smash 4, he was on bottom tier. But Ganondorf in Ultimate still has issues, like he gets cucked by nearly every single DLC character. Especially Joker, Min Min, and Steve.

Please stop saying cucked

 

[Deleted member]

Please stop saying cucked

Okay, my apologies. Edited it out.