Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[7NATOR]

Also On KOS-MOS

One thing I'll say is that if 2B is not a Mii costume on Thursday, I think KOS-MOS should be Taken more seriously.

 

[PacificFun]

Also On KOS-MOS

One thing I'll say is that if 2B is not a Mii costume on Thursday, I think KOS-MOS should be Taken more seriously.

Why?

 

[Megadoomer]

Swap Byleth and Banjo in Volume 1's release order, and it probably would've went down a lot better.

I feel like the reaction would have been worse, considering that Byleth's game wasn't available in any territory when Banjo and Hero were announced. (at least by the time Byleth came out, people had the opportunity to play Fire Emblem: Three Houses, unlike with Corrin and Fire Emblem Fates for most of the world)

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I haven't played Xenosaga, but would like to. It looks like a good time.

I would be fine with KOS-MOS in Smash. It would't really bother me, but it wouldn't be one my most wanted either. I have friends who would really like to see her though, so on that reasoning alone I will be hopeful for them.

Man, I just can't wait for Thursday. I'm a big Final Fantasy VII fan myself, so I realize I'm eating good with Cloud AND Sephiroth already...but the potential for content this time? BRUH.

Spirit Board- Maybe the whole party from VII?

Costumes- Tifa, Aerith, Barret? Chocobo Hat and Geno? Crono???

Music- OWA obviously, but we gotta have JENOVA, and maybe the Bombing Mission. I don't know what else they'd do but I'm here for it.

I just can't wait to see if Sakurai nerds out over the whole pack.

 

[Momotsuki]

One thing I'll say is that if 2B is not a Mii costume on Thursday, I think KOS-MOS should be Taken more seriously.

I've got all my chips on 5chan right now, but even still, I have no idea how the hell you came to a conclusion like this. What does a 2B Mii outfit existing or not have to do with KOS-MOS at all?

 

[pupNapoleon]

Swap Byleth and Banjo in Volume 1's release order, and it probably would've went down a lot better.

That's for sure. Ending on Byleth felt like repeating Sm4sh DLC. Also, there was a pretty long wait between Terry and Byleth.
But I honestly think that was Sakurai flexing. I know I bring it up often, but in addition to the comment about 'sword users,' and the absurdity of keeping, 'byleth recruits byleth,' in English- Sakurai spent 15 minutes going over the Fire Emblem titles. I still claim this was him giving us the finger, but even if he is just counting- why does it matter? It's ridiculous.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Now, KOS-MOS is currently a crucial piece of the Reimu puzzle...

What does KOS-MOS have to do with Reimu?

It could also be possible that Nintendo just doesn't have interest in using either of them. It's not as if they don't drop dozens of other characters and titles.

Oh I'm sure that's probably the case as far as mainline Super Mario is concerned since it actively ignores all things spin-off with the exception of Yoshi and Captain Toad still being characters that exist there (EDIT: but even then their first appearances were in mainline titles). But I think the fact that one company owns an essential part in using Geno and Mallow keeps them from being used in any capacity aside from the odd Super Mario RPG rerelease, and that extends to SquareEnix as well.

 

[Momotsuki]

What does KOS-MOS have to do with Reimu?

The leak that either confirmed or, if fake, guessed Sephiroth also called KOS-MOS, Crash, and most importantly for me, Reimu. With how likely, and thus easily another lucky guess, Crash feels, I'm looking at KOS-MOS as the missing link.

 

[PacificFun]

That's for sure. Ending on Byleth felt like repeating Sm4sh DLC. Also, there was a pretty long wait between Terry and Byleth.
But I honestly think that was Sakurai flexing. I know I bring it up often, but in addition to the comment about 'sword users,' and the absurdity of keeping, 'byleth recruits byleth,' in English- Sakurai spent 15 minutes going over the Fire Emblem titles. I still claim this was him giving us the finger, but even if he is just counting- why does it matter? It's ridiculous.

I think it was more so he didn't really have a choice so he had some "fun" with it. The whole Byleth presentation just screamed bad taste to me. Everything surrounding that character is awkward.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Actually, this is a fun new game.
What are the reasons that we could or could not get a new pass?

Reasons I believe it is possible:

• They generated a lot of revenue
• They create a lot of publicity for Nintendo
• Sakurai loves working with all of these gaming icons
• It makes people happy, and now is a time we all need more happiness

Reasons I believe it might not happen:

• Realistically, I cannot think of many. They have to end eventually, but the closest I can think of now is that Sakurai has spent 6 years on Smash. That just fails to be more important than his love of gaming and this last of a lifetime opportunity.
• I know someone will bring up the CSS screen thing, and I am not a programmer, but that seems like a silly reason to not find a solution. Or even a new dx version on the Switch Up (What I call the Switch Pro) with rollback netcode.

I wish more people would play this game. It seems fun to me. And what's better to speculate one character than to speculate many?

(Though I recall a surprising number of regulars here didn't want more...which..... doesn't make sense to me)

 

[Momotsuki]

I think it was more so he didn't really have a choice so he had some "fun" with it. The whole Byleth presentation just screamed bad taste to me. Everything surrounding that character is awkward.

"You can have your stupid Terry if you'll put in the new Fire Emblem protagonist" - Nintendo suit, probably

 

[I.D.]

It's anecdotal but I will say that basically any friend of mine who has played Smash, but does not follow Smash at the level that I do, are tired of Fire Emblem and think it's crazy that it has so many characters.

So my hunch is, it's not just hardcore Smash fans that want stuff aside from Fire Emblem.

Can identify with this sentiment. Have a friend IRL who barely plays smash that when I told him about the second season apparently having 6 characters his first response was something like "oh cool but it's more like 5 because the last character will be from the next fire emblem"

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Swap Byleth and Banjo in Volume 1's release order, and it probably would've went down a lot better.

No matter what order you'd place it, Byleth's reactions still would've been pretty negative.

Timing really doesn't affect the outcome of a character's perception. Like would a reveal like Ridley's be less adored if he wasn't at E3? No, cuz he's Ridley, a character many people were hoping for. The time of the reveal meant nothing.

Same goes for Byleth, the fact that this was our 8th fire emblem as well as a marketing pull would've caused some debate no matter where they were placed

 

[pupNapoleon]

Oh I'm sure that's probably the case as far as mainline Super Mario is concerned since it actively ignores all things spin-off with the exception of Yoshi and Captain Toad still being characters that exist there (EDIT: but even then their first appearances were in mainline titles). But I think the fact that one company owns an essential part in using Geno and Mallow keeps them from being used in any capacity aside from the odd Super Mario RPG rerelease, and that extends to SquareEnix as well.

Please don't remind me we don't have Captain Toad. His game is so unique, and he is more Sandbag than Sandbag.
(Why doesn't Sandbag have an emoji? And why was Sephiroth's ready in ten minutes? Who knew something?)

 

[Droodle]

I doubt the rumor is real, but since we're talking about KOS-MOS, let me just say that while she is a Namco character; she's much more likely to be taking the place of a Xeno character rather than a Namco character for DLC. The timeline where we get KOS-MOS isn't really all that crazy, considering Monolithsoft still references her in literally everything and still consider her a mascot, and Namco still makes merch out of her. Not to mention that Monolithsoft and Namco also still have a great relationship.

This may be weird, but if she does get in; I think it'll be more of Smash Bros X Xenoblade Chronicles 2 rather than Xenosaga. She'll probably come with a Xenoblade 2 stage, and a mixture of Xenoblade and Xenosaga music/spirits. We'd probably see the main party be background cameos on the stage, and maybe T-ELOS too (to get some extra Xenosaga representation).

I would still say that I think Rex is still more likely than her, but it's still possible she gets in over him. Remember Nintendo decides the DLC, and Monolith-Soft is officially owned by Nintendo (which is more than say HAL or IS), while we don't know the specifics of how the DLC is decided; a Monolith-Soft exec like Takahashi may have some say regarding who he wants for DLC (especially with how much the company has rose in prominence over the last 5 years).

That said, I still believe the leak is fake.

 

[PacificFun]

Like, this wasn't funny to me at all to me. Nor was the swordsman joke.

Don't worry, I dont hate Sakurai.

 

[pupNapoleon]

The leak that either confirmed or, if fake, guessed Sephiroth also called KOS-MOS, Crash, and most importantly for me, Reimu. With how likely, and thus easily another lucky guess, Crash feels, I'm looking at KOS-MOS as the missing link.

I wish I felt Crash were likely. I honestly think we are getting another platformer (or worse- none) and that Crash is gonna have to Chrom another day.

 

[Arcanir]

No matter what order you'd place it, Byleth's reactions still would've been pretty negative.

Timing really doesn't affect the outcome of a character's perception. Like would a reveal like Ridley's be less adored if he wasn't at E3? No, cuz he's Ridley, a character many people were hoping for. The setting of the reveal meant nothing.

Same goes for Byleth, the fact that this was our 8th fire emblem would've caused some debate no matter where they were placed.

Basically this. No matter when Byleth was revealed, they were going to have backlash as being the 8th FE character gives them a negative stigma that they'll never shake. If anything, their current spot was the best place they could be as it was after their game was released and thus people could get familiar with them.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

It doesn't help that Byleth (at least in my opinion) had just a bad reveal all-around. It had lackluster visuals, a bad meta joke, bad pacing and was over four minutes long. Add that the character looked kind of "basic" and you got yourself an odd mix.

At least "Byleth recruits Byleth" is so freaking dumb, its hilarious.

Iirc, its because both byleths have different names in Japan

 

[7NATOR]

Why?

I've got all my chips on 5chan right now, but even still, I have no idea how the hell you came to a conclusion like this. What does a 2B Mii outfit existing or not have to do with KOS-MOS at all?

Both of them are Robotic Women, from Futuristic Time periods, and are from a RPG Like game (though Nier Automata is Action RPG). What I'm trying to say is that they both have that Vibe going on that's similiar, yet different.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I think it was more so he didn't really have a choice so he had some "fun" with it. The whole Byleth presentation just screamed bad taste to me. Everything surrounding that character is awkward.

I can see that. Sakurai has such an odd sense of humor. I'd love to meet him. Or work with him. Oh man...dreams...

Can identify with this sentiment. Have a friend IRL who barely plays smash that when I told him about the second season apparently having 6 characters his first response was something like "oh cool but it's more like 5 because the last character will be from the next fire emblem"

This really made me laugh. I definitely will not be looking forward to that last character. And since we are destined for one more RPG character in 4 and 5, which wont be Isaac or Sora, I basically have one chance of happiness left for this pass.

Though I have high hopes for a 3rd pass being announced soon. I'm fairly certain we were told this before Byleth because it was obviously unappealing.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Pain.

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[pupNapoleon]

Iirc, its because both byleths have different names in Japan

Why does that matter? Regional directs have differences all the time. Remove the reference. I bet I cou

Pain.

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I don't know if that's real, but I legitimately almost posted how funny it would be is Sephy had one song. Honestly, that makes it worth it to me. I guess this is why salt tastes so good. It would be absolutely hilarious.

 

[Momotsuki]

I'm really thinking Reimu fits the bill of a pass-finisher. In terms of crowd appeal, Smash usually ends off with something a little lukewarm. And I can't imagine her and KOS-MOS being back-to-back if the rumor is legit, leaving Crash in an anime girl sandwich.
Here are my hard predictions for the remainder of the pass unless the speculation climate sees a sharp turn between now and next reveal:

March reveal is KOS-MOS.
Crash is our E3 (or our psuedo-E3, I dunno) bombshell.
And Reimu is the wintertime one-off.

As it currently stands, I'm adamant that this is where we are headed.
If events go differently... I will be mildly disappointed for about five minutes before proceeding to gush over whichever fighters did in fact make the cut.

 

[I.D.]

Pain.

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It's the MIDI version from the original PC release too, which doesn't have even the chorus

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I don't know if that's real, but I legitimately almost posted how funny it would be is Sephy had one song. Honestly, that makes it worth it to me. I guess this is why salt tastes so good. It would be absolutely hilarious.

It's a joke.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I think it was more so he didn't really have a choice so he had some "fun" with it. The whole Byleth presentation just screamed bad taste to me. Everything surrounding that character is awkward.

Like, this wasn't funny to me at all to me. Nor was the swordsman joke.

I really don't think he was trying to insult people here. The whole thing kind of kind of feels like them saying "now I know this isn't what you want, but hear me out; more weapons than just the sword".

It's the worst of both worlds really: The people who didn't want him at best are still angry and at worst feel actively insulted, and those that did have some of Byleth's more interesting things thrown out in favor of the personal weapons of other characters.

Iirc, its because both byleths have different names in Japan

This is correct. Heh, even if the English versions of trailers kept the generic "joins the battle" taglines, we probably would still have ended up with an awkward "Byleth joins the battle...again!"

 

[Guynamednelson]

and that Crash is gonna have to Chrom another day.

in that both wouldn't be unique enough anyway and we'll get someone more unique?

 

[Eldrake]

It doesn't help that Byleth (at least in my opinion) had just a bad reveal all-around. It had lackluster visuals, a bad meta joke, bad pacing and was over four minutes long. Add that the character looked kind of "basic" and you got yourself an odd mix.

At least "Byleth recruits Byleth" is so freaking dumb, its hilarious.

Now this post is purely a personal opinion from me because I don't expect anyone else to have my experience, but I've rewatched Smash trailers so many times simply because they're so good. Only gods knows how many times I've rewatched the Ridley trailer. Even trailers for characters I don't super-care about I rewatched a lot. Even Corrin's trailer got a few extra views from me because at least it had a few good jokes, and Isabelle's because that one has a wholesome vibe to it that can't be found elsewhere.

Byleth's trailer, however? It's the one trailer I've never watched again after the initial time.

 

[Mapusaurus]

I think the only way to end the pass without hate would be master chief although there would be some salt in japan.

 

[I.D.]

Both of them are Robotic Women, from Futuristic Time periods, and are from a RPG Like game (though Nier Automata is Action RPG). What I'm trying to say is that they both have that Vibe going on that's similiar, yet different.

Kosmos is boomer 2B

 

[Lamperouge]

IDGAF what people say, Byleth's reveal was hype for me

I'll also never forget that I was playing Three Houses the night before the announcement so it's almost like I willed them into Smash lol.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Basically this. No matter when Byleth was revealed, they were going to have backlash as being the 8th FE character gives them a negative stigma that they'll never shake. If anything, their current spot was the best place they could be as it was after their game was released and thus people could get familiar with them.

This is definitely true- but there are two more factors:
1- Corrin was given to us when we expected a personal, ballot choice. Bad blood.
2- It felt like Nintendo going Simpson's Nelson on us, "haha." We paid for four cool characters, and then were conned into another one.

If Byleth had been revealed in base game- I actually think it would have been pretty rad. Fire Emblem has that Smash legacy of future reveals, and also- I'd know it ahead of time, and not wait 4 months for something that should be amazing, but is rarely seen as such.
It's not as if Sakurai couldn't do this- Three Houses was built out for far longer than Pokemon, and he chose Greninja from a screenshot and description.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Well to everyone begging another FE character doesn't happen, I believe your wishes will be granted. After Three Houses, I don't think any prominent FE characters would be suited for DLC.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

IDGAF what people say, Byleth's reveal was hype for me

I'll also never forget that I was playing Three Houses the night before the announcement so it's almost like I willed them into Smash lol.

Thank you for willing my son into smash

 

[PacificFun]

Iirc, its because both byleths have different names in Japan

I know

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Why does that matter? Regional directs have differences all the time. Remove the reference.

It's probably a case of they could have ended the clip at Sothis saying "How's this?", but decided the tagline was funny so they left it in anyways. Of all the jokes there, I'd say this one is the most harmless.

Still not as funny as:

Sothis: "What will you do?"
Byleth: girl

 

[Lamperouge]

Well to everyone begging another FE character doesn't happen, I believe your wishes will be granted. After Three Houses, I don't think any prominent FE characters would be suited for DLC.

Yeah, absolutely no other FE character will be DLC...

 

[Faso115]

The one thing Byleth has going for them is that the female alt is not nerfed, which considering what happened to other females, it's pretty surprising.

 

[Ivander]

I feel part of Byleth's problem is that while it's good that they have a much different moveset and playstyle from the other FE characters, design-wise they don't look impressive. This is one of FE's problems with it's characters in Smash is that there isn't really much variation for their designs, aside from maybe Robin. I know it's because Fire Emblem mostly sticks to a formula with it's characters compared to other franchises, especially it's main characters, but compared to other RPGs like Final Fantasy, Tales of, the Xeno series, etc, their main characters do not show much in variety in terms of designs and backgrounds.

Iirc, its because both byleths have different names in Japan

Less so different names, but different spellings. Their names translate to Byleth/Beleth regardless, but their names in the JP version are spelt differently respectively rather than they have different names.

I think the only way to end the pass without hate would be master chief although there would be some salt in japan.

Master Chief and Halo have a decent following in Japan, so I don't think there would be much.