Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[I.D.]

Well to everyone begging another FE character doesn't happen, I believe your wishes will be granted. After Three Houses, I don't think any prominent FE characters would be suited for DLC.

DON'T tempt fate please

 

[SharkLord]

The one thing that bugs me about Sephiroth is now it feels like we NEED to have Eggman. I didn't think 3rd party villains were happening, but now he's done gone and opened the door y'all. Honestly I feel like Eggman would've been the first added if it weren't for several other factors.

These being I believe Sakurai's fondness of FF in general, the cross promotional aspect with the FFVII Remake, and possibly the desire to get a proper amount of FF content that we didn't get the first time around.

EDIT: Well, at least Eggman is a legendary spirit I suppose.

Yeah, this kinda stuff happens a lot. As a few people have realized now, we have a tendency to bolt towards similar characters after every reveal. After Min Min, it was recent Nintendo characters like Rex. After Steve, it was big, recent third-parties like Jonesy. Now, after Sephiroth, it's non-protagonists from already-represented third-parties.

It's not just for singular characters, either. Remember when we were afraid FP2 would just be 2010's characters after Min Min and Steve? And now we've moved onto legendary, big-budget jaw-droppers because of Steve and Sephiroth. Next we're gonna get someone like Reimu and then the rest of the pass will be characters you'd see in old Brawl mods or something like that.

On second thought, probably not. By CP9 I think we'll have progressed enough that the only patterns that could be held up are already-existing ones. We'll have four characters that either follow a pattern or are all over the place.

 

[CureParfait]

Also Something I have to ask

Will we get a Newcomer Trailer where it's based of the True ending of the game, meaning Both Galeem and Dharkon Show up? I wonder how they work around Galeem being dead, but considering we getting more World of Light lore despite the mode already having 3 Conclusions in base game, Perhaps they could wave that off as alternate reality

If that type of trailer happens I think somehow Galeem will resurrect themselves. If that type of trailer does happen in this pass I highly doubt it is a Square Enix character reveal.

 

[Faso115]

You know, i think there is a likely chance Lloyd could be kill on the 27th. Returning costumes tend to come in a batch of two.

I could obviously be mistaken though so keep that in mind.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Yeah, absolutely no other FE character will be DLC...

Poor Lyn. She makes a ton of sense as a fan favorite pick, but is also a terrible idea to add at this moment.

The one thing Byleth has going for them is that the female alt is not nerfed, which considering what happened to other females, it's pretty surprising.

Wait what? Alternate costumes don't have any gameplay differences between them, unless...are you talking about her bust size?

I feel part of Byleth's problem is that while it's good that they have a much different moveset and playstyle from the other FE characters, design-wise they don't look impressive. This is one of FE's problems with it's characters in Smash is that there isn't really much variation for their designs, aside from maybe Robin. I know it's because Fire Emblem mostly sticks to a formula with it's characters compared to other franchises, especially it's main characters, but compared to other RPGs like Final Fantasy, Tales of, the Xeno series, etc, their main characters do not show much in variety in terms of designs and backgrounds.

Yeah, it's anecdotal, but I have had someone who knows nothing about Fire Emblem claim that Byleth looks like a redesigned Marth. It was Roy, Robin, and Corrin that she thought looked like different characters. They really should look into giving their protagonists different color pallets and face shapes. lol

DON'T tempt fate please

You act like a character with the ability to shoot anime girls at people is a bad thing.

 

[jamesster445]

DON'T tempt fate please

I dont know an FE character whose moveset is that he uses a gun to shoot out other FE characters would be pretty based.

F Smash is him firing a Hector that just "oho"s full screen.

Could be fun.

 

[pupNapoleon]

It's probably a case of they could have ended the clip at Sothis saying "How's this?", but decided the tagline was funny so they left it in anyways. Of all the jokes there, I'd say this one is the most harmless.

Still not as funny as:

Sothis: "What will you do?"
Byleth: girl

What's wrong with female empowerment, bro?

Yeah, absolutely no other FE character will be DLC...

We have gotten 16 DLC characters (I say 14, since you didn't actually need to pay for Mewtwo or PP)--

But 3 have been FE. Two FF. And one for the rest.
I think that's more than fair. By just about any standard.

 

[Arcanir]

This is definitely true- but there are two more factors:
1- Corrin was given to us when we expected a personal, ballot choice. Bad blood.
2- It felt like Nintendo going Simpson's Nelson on us, "haha." We paid for four cool characters, and then were conned into another one.

If Byleth had been revealed in base game- I actually think it would have been pretty rad. Fire Emblem has that Smash legacy of future reveals, and also- I'd know it ahead of time, and not wait 4 months for something that should be amazing, but is rarely seen as such.
It's not as if Sakurai couldn't do this- Three Houses was built out for far longer than Pokemon, and he chose Greninja from a screenshot and description.

For the second point, Sakurai blatantly said 'don't buy the full pass unless you're sure of it' back when it was initially revealed. There was no guarantee that every character was going to live up to the expectations that we were even warned that could be the case.

As for your third point, there's a few reasons why that wouldn't have worked: Firstly, the base game's roster was already pegged in December of 2015, meaning that the character may not have even existed at the time they would've decided on the roster. Even characters whose games released earlier then TH like ARMs and XC2 missed the boat and couldn't have a character present despite being popular wants for the game, so Byleth was not going to be in the base game ahead of them.

Secondly, it ignores that advertising characters are strategic in their release. Greninja was added before its game release, but 4's release came out later and even Greninja wasn't revealed until nearly half a year after XY. In fact, part of the confusion over the character at the time of its reveal was that fans thought it was added for his popularity in XY and it turned out just to be lucky. Corrin was revealed two months before their game released, but was released only two weeks before their game came out and was already released in Japan, which made their inclusion very fitting for what Nintendo wanted. Even Roy was intended to have released before Binding Blade and only was playable in Melee first due to a delay. Byleth being in the base game wouldn't have fit that mold, Nintendo wanted a character that was in Sakurai's words 'from a game that people were playing at the time', which TH was at the point the final character would be released. Byleth wouldn't have fit in the base game since we wouldn't be playing their game for months.

Finally, the newcomer roster in the base game was pretty small and there wouldn't be a good place for them. In terms of full-fledged new characters we only got Inklings, Ridley, Simon, K. Rool, and Incineroar, with Isabelle being a semi-clone. The rest were Echoes with Ken having the most differences, and as we know from Melee cutting all of them wouldn't have equaled a full character, you would've had to kick out one of the previous five plus maybe Isabelle. In terms of the direction, Byleth wouldn't have fit in as Ridley, Simon and K. Rool were popular ballot characters, Inklings and Isabelle are rising stars in the current Nintendo climate, and Incineroar is the new Pokemon who's game released during the game's development cycle.

 

[Deleted member]

You know it feels really crazy that Seph wasn't the penultimate character for Vol 2. Him being the 2nd to last character would've been so much more exhilarating to witness even if there would've been no way the character preceding him would've been able to follow up on the same hype train that Seph brought forth. I'm not gonna assume Sakurai decided to alter the order of Vol 2, but man Seph certainly feels like he would've been revealed later than he did.


It'll be a few months away til we see anything on CP9, but given how expectations always end up getting shattered each reveal, it'll probably be no different when the next character is somebody under the radar again.

 

[Eldrake]

You know, i think there is a likely chance Lloyd could be kill on the 27th. Returning costumes tend to come in a batch of two.

I could obviously be mistaken though so keep that in mind.

Unlikely, as it seems that Square-Enix don't like having non-SE costumes in the mii costume packs accompanying their characters.

 

[SneakyLink]

You know, i think there is a likely chance Lloyd could be kill on the 27th. Returning costumes tend to come in a batch of two.

I could obviously be mistaken though so keep that in mind.

I think SE chars have only come with SE content (including Mii costumes, also applies to 4 when Cloud came out) so Lloyd I think lives... for now.
If anything the returning costumes will be Chocobo and Geno assuming we’re only get SE costumes.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Galeem is based on this:

So is Safer Sephiroth.

It should have been him all along!

And Dharkon resembles something out of the Cthulhu Mythos aka Lovecraft

So does Giygas.

It should have been him all along!

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Also On KOS-MOS

One thing I'll say is that if 2B is not a Mii costume on Thursday, I think KOS-MOS should be Taken more seriously.

Why would that have any correlation?

 

[ChunkySlugger72]

I wish I felt Crash were likely. I honestly think we are getting another platformer (or worse- none) and that Crash is gonna have to Chrom another day.

While I still very much like my chances with Crash Bandicoot, The only other platformer mascot that can challenge Crash for a spot would have to be Rayman.

While I don't really have much history with Rayman, I'm aware of who he is (Ubisoft's mascot) and respect, like him and wouldn't mind seeing him in Smash, But Crash Bandicoot is without a doubt the biggest platforming mascot/icon who has yet to debut in Smash Bros.

 

[pupNapoleon]

I'm really thinking Reimu fits the bill of a pass-finisher. In terms of crowd appeal, Smash usually ends off with something a little lukewarm. And I can't imagine her and KOS-MOS being back-to-back if the rumor is legit, leaving Crash in an anime girl sandwich.
Here are my hard predictions for the remainder of the pass unless the speculation climate sees a sharp turn between now and next reveal:

March reveal is KOS-MOS.
Crash is our E3 (or our psuedo-E3, I dunno) bombshell.
And Reimu is the wintertime one-off.

As it currently stands, I'm adamant that this is where we are headed.
If events go differently... I will be mildly disappointed for about five minutes before proceeding to gush over whichever fighters did in fact make the cut.

I'm not sure she actually does fit the bill.

Smash ends with Fire Emblem. That's it. Not Lukewarm, Frozen Solid.
We only have two examples, but this has been it.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

What's wrong with female empowerment, bro?

Oh nothing, I just think it's funny that Byleth's solution to getting beat up by a bunch of other sword users was to have a sex change since that wouldn't really solve anything in this case, unless they were planning to win people over with the power of the feminine figure, which I find just as amusing.

I think the idea was that the two forms were technically different entities, so it would make sense in that way, but without that context it just seems funny to me.

 

[Ivander]

Unlikely, as it seems that Square-Enix don't like having non-SE costumes in the mii costume packs accompanying their characters.

I guess it's somewhat plausible, considering only Square costumes were released with Cloud and Hero. Although it makes you wonder why costumes like Lloyd and Monster Hunter are taking such a long time to come back.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I am going to say it, but people hate on World of Light too much.

The only thing wrong with WoL is the lack of SSE-style cutscenes.

And the fact that it doesn't get updated with DLC characters...

 

[Lamperouge]

Also On KOS-MOS

One thing I'll say is that if 2B is not a Mii costume on Thursday, I think KOS-MOS should be Taken more seriously.

2B and KOS-MOS aren't owned by the same company so I have no idea where you're going with this.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

2B and KOS-MOS aren't owned by the same company so I have no idea where you're going with this.

They’re both female combat androids.

...that’s about it, really; they even fight way different so apples and oranges

 

[pupNapoleon]

Hey everyone.
I quoted a Supermod about their illigitimacy in my Geno post (the one where I defined a cult and then explained why they were being one). And all my posts got deleted.

I'm not gonna toot my own horn, but I do work in PR, am an NYU art grad, have a job writing, and was seen strong enough to be a writer here.

I am not sure what game they are playing (obviously I have no problem being blunt, in love), but obviously this is not a legitimate system.

I expect this to get deleted, since neither moderator would respond to my post on the definition of cult, nor leave the post available. I'll happily leave over Geno. I've been here 7 years and if that's what this board represents, lack of communication and insincerity, it's not for me. (In fact, that post where a dozen of you supported my claims of the fraudulence, was deleted because I quoted the moderate. Not communicated to me, just deleted. Not to be extreme, but that is the sign of a dictatorship. Which I guess this is, as it is a paid site. But we like to think differently). I may be done. I doubt this will be seen. But maybe this absolute injustice and poor excuse for English will prevail. I'll likely be banned without a comment.

I encourage you to share this post, specifically with Megadoomer and Venus. It's a fun site- sure- but we all devote time to it. I know I've devoted much time to it, and that it has helped me through hard times, including this current hospitalization. Whether or not you agree with me, I encourage listening to this. I've only expressed facts, and apparently the board's mods- or at least the two I've dealth with- refuse to run by their own stated standards.

 

[PacificFun]

IDGAF what people say, Byleth's reveal was hype for me

I'll also never forget that I was playing Three Houses the night before the announcement so it's almost like I willed them into Smash lol.

Remember, were talking about the trailer itself.

 

[Lamperouge]

They’re both female combat androids.

...that’s about it, really; they even fight way different so apples and oranges

Wow, that's silly.

If we're going by his logic and can only have one female combat android for DLC, why do we keep getting swordsmen?

 

[Aerospherology]

I'm not sure she actually does fit the bill.

Smash ends with Fire Emblem. That's it. Not Lukewarm, Frozen Solid.
We only have two examples, but this has been it.

Melee: Mr. Game & Watch
Brawl: Olimar
For: Shulk
For DLC: Bayonetta
Fighter Pass 1: Byleth
Only one example.

 

[SharkLord]

Oh nothing, I just think it's funny that Byleth's solution to getting beat up by a bunch of other sword users was to have a sex change since that wouldn't really solve anything in this case, unless they were planning to win people over with the power of the feminine figure, which I find just as amusing.

I think the idea was that the two forms were technically different entities, so it would make sense in that way, but without that context it just seems funny to me.

The joke is that there's too many swordsmen, so they become a swordswoman instead.

The Japanese version is different, though. Apparently, Sothis says something along the lines of "And you call yourself a man?!" Evidently, Byleth had been working on their Hotel Mario impression.

 

[Lamperouge]

Remember, were talking about the trailer itself.

I liked Byleth's trailer.

 

[Momotsuki]

Hey everyone.
I quoted a Supermod about their illigitimacy in my Geno post (the one where I defined a cult and then explained why they were being one). And all my posts got deleted.

I'm not gonna toot my own horn, but I do work in PR, am an NYU art grad, have a job writing, and was seen strong enough to be a writer here.

I am not sure what game they are playing (obviously I have no problem being blunt, in love), but obviously this is not a legitimate system.

I expect this to get deleted, since neither moderator would respond to my post on the definition of cult, nor leave the post available. I'll happily leave over Geno. I've been here 7 years and if that's what this board represents, lack of communication and insincerity, it's not for me).

I actually screenshotted your post in question, because I figured that may happen. I'm a little busy right now to be stirring anything. but I'll keep the image on-hand if for whatever reason it becomes of note. I'll continue to do that with any potential posts you have on the matter, if such would be helpful.

 

[PacificFun]

I liked Byleth's trailer.

Oh, nevermind then.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

aight now to the important question

is Sephiroth (both alts) selectable for my post bg yet

 

[Eldrake]

I guess it's somewhat plausible, considering only Square costumes were released with Cloud and Hero. Although it makes you wonder why costumes like Lloyd and Monster Hunter are taking such a long time to come back.

I honestly wouldn't read too much into it. There was people who thought that a Tekken rep was coming because the Heihachi mii costume was MIA for the entirety of FP1. Then the costume came back in this pass. Same could happen to these two, especially if the Geno costume returns with Sephiroth.

 

[Lamperouge]

aight now to the important question

is Sephiroth (both alts) selectable for my post bg yet

Default Sephiroth has a post BG but not shirtless.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Melee: Mr. Game & Watch
Brawl: Olimar
For: Shulk
For DLC: Bayonetta
Fighter Pass 1: Byleth
Only one example.

I think Corrin counts because their announcement was in the same Direct as Bayonetta's. But even then, the reason for their inclusion wasn't disappointment, and both characters would feel more like shill picks if everyone got to play as Corrin and Byleth in Smash before Fates/3H.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Default Sephiroth has a post BG but not shirtless.

Think I’ll wait for the latter, hmu when it’s available

 

[blackghost]

Ngl, I would a l m o s t take Ganondorf, Daisy and Dark Samus getting unquie movesets over the next three DLC.

we can come back to this post in a year and talk about it then. you might be right.

 

[AinsOoalGown]

Platformer wise I think Rayman is being slept on a bit lately.

 

[7NATOR]

Wow, that's silly.

If we're going by his logic and can only have one female combat android for DLC, why do we keep getting swordsmen?

Well if we aren't getting another Square Character because of Sephiroth, that would mean 2B is no more, at least for Playable character

However it's possible for her to be Mii Costume, and with Sakurai meeting Yoko in December 2019, it could have led to Mii Costume

But for KOS-MOS, because they both are Combat Women Androids, they have that Thematic type similarity, So I'm saying is that if 2B is not a Costume on Thursday, than it's possible it might have to do with KOS-MOS

 

[Momotsuki]

Well if we aren't getting another Square Character because of Sephiroth, that would mean 2B is no more, at least for Playable character

However it's possible for her to be Mii Costume, and with Sakurai meeting Yoko in December 2019, it could have led to Mii Costume

But for KOS-MOS, because they both are Combat Women Androids, they have that Thematic type similarity, So I'm saying is that if 2B is not a Costume on Thursday, than it's possible it might have to do with KOS-MOS

No.

 

[SKX31]

I feel part of Byleth's problem is that while it's good that they have a much different moveset and playstyle from the other FE characters, design-wise they don't look impressive. This is one of FE's problems with it's characters in Smash is that there isn't really much variation for their designs, aside from maybe Robin. I know it's because Fire Emblem mostly sticks to a formula with it's characters compared to other franchises, especially it's main characters, but compared to other RPGs like Final Fantasy, Tales of, the Xeno series, etc, their main characters do not show much in variety in terms of designs and backgrounds.

It's a shame too, because they could've (this is going with hindsight of course) emphasized the draconic aspects of Corrin further or say given Byleth something else that stands out (perhaps some of the post-time skip stuff... I dunno, haven't played 3H). The weapon triangle usage is a neat concept IMHO, but they could've incorporated something that Byleth him / herself has in the special moves so it doesn't feel like (s)he's just borrowing the students' weapons for Smash.

The joke is that there's too many swordsmen, so they become a swordswoman instead.

The Japanese version is different, though. Apparently, Sothis says something along the lines of "And you call yourself a man?!" Evidently, Byleth had been working on their Hotel Mario impression.

Oh god, now I can't help but to wonder how Hotel Fire Emblem 3 Houses would go.

Byleth running around closing doors... damn it, now I can't get it out of my mind.

Also, well:

Tencent will acquire Leyou Technologies for $1.5 billion after the deal was approved by shareholders on Dec 11. Leyou will be taken private on Dec 23.

Leyou is the parent company of Digital Extremes (Warframe), Splash Damage and others, incl. a 20% stake in Certain Affinity. pic.twitter.com/t6xN8OCSr4

— Daniel Ahmad (@ZhugeEX) December 13, 2020

It's been cooking for a while - and Sony was briefly interested in Leyou. But now, Tencent has retroactively "joined" (via the Lotus / Natah Spirit).

One reason Tencent's been doing this (alongside acquiring minority shares in stuff like Platinum and Marvelous) is that the social media giant has not had a strong console game presence - it's also why they partnered with Nintendo.

 

[Aerospherology]

Hey everyone.
I quoted a Supermod about their illigitimacy in my Geno post (the one where I defined a cult and then explained why they were being one). And all my posts got deleted.

I'm not gonna toot my own horn, but I do work in PR, am an NYU art grad, have a job writing, and was seen strong enough to be a writer here.

I am not sure what game they are playing (obviously I have no problem being blunt, in love), but obviously this is not a legitimate system.

I expect this to get deleted, since neither moderator would respond to my post on the definition of cult, nor leave the post available. I'll happily leave over Geno. I've been here 7 years and if that's what this board represents, lack of communication and insincerity, it's not for me. (In fact, that post where a dozen of you supported my claims of the fraudulence, was deleted because I quoted the moderate. Not communicated to me, just deleted. Not to be extreme, but that is the sign of a dictatorship. Which I guess this is, as it is a paid site. But we like to think differently). I may be done. I doubt this will be seen. But maybe this absolute injustice and poor excuse for English will prevail. I'll likely be banned without a comment.

I encourage you to share this post, specifically with Megadoomer and Venus. It's a fun site- sure- but we all devote time to it. I know I've devoted much time to it, and that it has helped me through hard times, including this current hospitalization. Whether or not you agree with me, I encourage listening to this. I've only expressed facts, and apparently the board's mods- or at least the two I've dealth with- refuse to run by their own stated standards.

The Geno thread isn't the only one getting the treatment, ones such as the Sora thread are too.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Well if we aren't getting another Square Character because of Sephiroth, that would mean 2B is no more, at least for Playable character

However it's possible for her to be Mii Costume, and with Sakurai meeting Yoko in December 2019, it could have led to Mii Costume

But for KOS-MOS, because they both are Combat Women Androids, they have that Thematic type similarity, So I'm saying is that if 2B is not a Costume on Thursday, than it's possible it might have to do with KOS-MOS

Pssssh if anything I’d think a 2B Mii showing up would be a hint toward KOS-MOS, not a strike against her