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Time to shill cool Capcom games that are on sale:



  • Ace Attorney HD Trilogy for 15 bucks
  • Okami for 10 bucks
  • Devil May Cry 1 for 10 bucks
  • Devil May Cry 3 for 12 bucks
  • Mega Man 11 for 15 bucks (not to mention the multiple Mega Man collections, also on sale)
  • Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate for 10 bucks
  • Dragon's Dogma for 15 bucks
  • Capcom Beat 'Em Up Bundle for 10 bucks

If you want 50+ hours of silly but also heartfelt and tragic lawyer stories with a wonderful cast, go for Ace Attorney.

If you like the classic Zelda structure, and you want an unique aesthetic and interesting setting, then Okami is a must.

If you are in the mood for an over the top action game with depth and replayability, then go with the Devil May Cry games.

(Not going into the other games because I haven't played those yet or because I'm not really an expert of said games, but those are also great choices)

Okay that's it for the shill post.
Dragon's Dogma is really good but there's definitely an element of you'll either like it or you really won't but if you do vibe with it then you'll get hours and hours out of it.
It's infinitely better than the Netflix series would have you believe regardless anyway.
 

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Are you seriously thinking Game Freak forces Sakurai to only choose between starters due to how Sakurai asks for suggestions before the Gens release?

That would be assuming the starters are the only early Pokemon designed for a Gen, which isn't always the case. Rhydon was the first Pokemon created for Gen 1 despite being #112 for the Kanto Dex, for example. And there's been discoveries of Toxtricity may have been teased in Ultra Sun and Moon on the Game Freak offices, implying he may have been one of the earlier designs as well. There's also Lucario who had his movie long before his Gen released.
So many Pokemon were revealed in the anime before they debuted in a game.
Gen 2 stands out the most in my memory- Togepi, Elekid, Donphan, Houndoom & Houndour, Marill, Snubbull.
 

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I don't think that both will happen before Gen 9.
I am not sure either.
But I don't think that GF will wait too long to make a new Let's Go. These games are probably the best way to attract new players (especially the youngest)
 

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So who do you guys actually think the most likely Square rep is if we actually do get another?

Only ones I see in the running are

2B
Geno
Lara Croft
Neku

Sora doesn't count as he's Disney.
2B - Nier Automata is quite popular and 2B has quite a bit of requests. But there are some major obstacles in her way and I'm not just talking about CERO. First, Nier and Drakengard have never been on a Nintendo system. We have yet to have a character who has zero presence on Nintendo. Second, Sakurai met Yoka Taro in late December after the second fighters pass was decided. That alone is quite damaging to her chances.

Geno - I'm 50/50 on him being a deluxe Mii costume or being a character. He is an anomaly, a character kept alive by fan demand alone. Seeing all of the fan favorites making it in does give me confidence in Geno's chances. But his Mii costume could easily come back too.

Lara Croft - Criminally underrated and overlooked in speculation. She has a long history dating back to the PS1 days with Nintendo appearances along the way, an interesting moveset with rope, magical relics, bows, guns, etc. and she is the definition of iconic. I think she is quite likely.

Neku - With the announcement of an anime and a new game today, TWEWY has been getting a lot of attention and it seems like Square is trying to push the I.P. Everyday my confidence in Neku grows and I think he has a good shot.

Honorable mentions go to Chrono and Space Invaders. Chrono is from a legendary game and does have Smash demand, but to my knowledge the series has been dormant for a while now so for now I see other Square characters taking priority. And Space Invaders, it's certainly iconic for sure, but it would be difficult to make a challenger pack unless maybe they incorporate elements from other arcade games that Square owns.

Another Square character I'm a fan of is Rico from Just Cause. He would be cool with a balls-to-the-wall moveset, but none of the games are on Nintendo and he has little to no Smash demand.

Edit: Ah yeah, and a Bravely Default character is a real possibility too.


So How Would Monster Hunter play in Smash?

With Monster Hunter being Rather Slow due to their Oversized Weapons; and Byleth being a thing(Due to Byleth Being a Slower Heavier & Less Mobile Weapon User, What Could Monster Hunter do that Byleth doesn't already do or Fill the Niche For); I Doubt that MH will EVER Get into Smash. . .

Nevertheless; I'd Love to see Gameplay Ideas for Monster Hunter in Smash Bros. . .
Monster Hunter can do a lot of things. He has more than just a sword and bow you know. For example he has:

Long Sword - The more you are able to consistently do damage with this sword, the more you can fill a bar. Once you fill that bar, it will give you more attacks and longer combos. You can even fill up the bar multiple times for more devastating combos.

Dual Blades - I thought to point this out since we don't have a dual sword wielding character in Smash.

Insect Glaive - A twirly weapon that can make you jump high. It can launch a bug that can target certain areas on enemies. When the bug is launched, it goes through the enemy and you can retrieve it. Once it is retrieved, it can either buff you up to give you additional attacks, give you special perks, or heal you.

Hunting Horn - A heavy-hitting weapon that also acts as a support weapon that gives your allies buffs.

Switch Axe - Switches between axe mode and sword mode. Each mode changes how you play and sword mode allows the use of phials, which can give you buffs and additional attacks. There is also the Charge Blade which is similar but is a sword/shield and axe combination, leading to more defensive options.

Lance/Gunlance

Bows/Bowguns - In Monster Hunter, bows and bowguns do damage depending on the distance between you and your opponent. You can also add coatings to the ammo like poison and sleep powder.

As you can see, Monster Hunter has more than enough material to make for a completely unique moveset.
 
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Honestly I can’t really get excited for a new Pokémon game until they show that they’ve substantially improved the quality of the games, whether it be graphically or a revamped battle UI to make games not last 10 years between Dynamax animations, unneeded text boxes (a critical hit! Dragapult lost some of its health from its Life Orb!), among other things that make the games feel like lifeless cashgrabs. As it stands they’ve just been reusing the same assets from XY and just cranking out a game every few years.
 

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I am not sure either.
But I don't think that GF will wait too long to make a new Let's Go. These games are probably the best way to attract new players (especially the youngest)
They would miss out on a lot of merch sales by putting off Gen 9.
 

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Time to shill cool Capcom games that are on sale:



  • Ace Attorney HD Trilogy for 15 bucks
  • Okami for 10 bucks
  • Devil May Cry 1 for 10 bucks
  • Devil May Cry 3 for 12 bucks
  • Mega Man 11 for 15 bucks (not to mention the multiple Mega Man collections, also on sale)
  • Monster Hunter Generations Ultimate for 10 bucks
  • Dragon's Dogma for 15 bucks
  • Capcom Beat 'Em Up Bundle for 10 bucks

If you want 50+ hours of silly but also heartfelt and tragic lawyer stories with a wonderful cast, go for Ace Attorney.

If you like the classic Zelda structure, and you want an unique aesthetic and interesting setting, then Okami is a must.

If you are in the mood for an over the top action game with depth and replayability, then go with the Devil May Cry games.

(Not going into the other games because I haven't played those yet or because I'm not really an expert of said games, but those are also great choices)

Okay that's it for the shill post.
Get the Capcom Beat 'Em Up bundle if you were interested in Captain Commando and Final Fight appearing in the Capcom leak that highlighted Captain Commando and Final Fight, as well as 5 other cool titles in Knights of the Round, Warriors of Fate, The King of Dragons, and two Arcade exclusives, Battle Circuit(Felicia's DLC costume from UMvC3 is based on one of it's characters) and Armored Warriors(which will likely be your most favourite title out of all of them if you love giant robots and customization. It's just frickin' fun IMO).
 
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Honestly I can’t really get excited for a new Pokémon game until they show that they’ve substantially improved the quality of the games, whether it be graphically or a revamped battle UI to make games not last 10 years between Dynamax animations, unneeded text boxes (a critical hit! Dragapult lost some of its health from its Life Orb!), among other things that make the games feel like lifeless cashgrabs. As it stands they’ve just been reusing the same assets from XY and just cranking out a game every few years.
Eh, you're kinda right there. I haven't played Sword and Shield - or much mainline Pokemon at all, actually - but it does seem a little behind in terms of its battle presentation. I mean, I don't think it's that bad - the models themselves are nice, and although people rag on the overworld's graphics, I'm actually a big fan of its style and how it's not slathered in lighting like every other game is nowadays - but I definitely see what people mean when they say there's room for improvement.

Now, here's the thing about that. Sword and Shield was an entirely new game. New Pokemon, new locations, new story. So even if the presentation wasn't that mindblowing, I can still get excited over this new Pokemon or that new thing they added. But TimeDiamond and SpacePearl, or whatever they're called, won't be new games. They're remakes. As remakes, the entire point of getting excited over them is the new presentation. And if that can't carry the load, then... well, yeah, it's not going to be that exciting.
 

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i am most interested in dragon's dogma, seems like capcom's answer to elder scrolls

but can anyone sell me more on it in depth? all i have to go by atm is the netflix anime (p good, btw)
 

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It's clearly gen 4 remake. Before his leak tweet he tweet that: C'est quand que vous arrêtez de vous plaindre en fait, sous prétexte qu'ils n'ont pas sortis un remake 4G encore ?, which can be translate to "When will you guys stop to complain about the fact that they still haven't remade Gen 4?"

Then, 1 minute after, he tweet that: Vous allez l'avoir en Novembre prochain votre remake, arrêtez de vous plaindre. Et vous allez dire "omg Pokémon c'est la meilleure licence", which mean: "you will have you next remake in November, and will stop complaining. Then you will say "omg Pokémon is the best franchise ever".
I mean... that's the Pokemon fanbase in a nutshell.
 

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In Related News, Their will be a surprise announcement during the Thanksgiving Day Parade Event. It will probably be something super small like a Pokemon Go event.
 

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i am most interested in dragon's dogma, seems like capcom's answer to elder scrolls

but can anyone sell me more on it in depth? all i have to go by atm is the netflix anime (p good, btw)
Personally, I'd compare it more to Dark Souls than Elder Scrolls gameplay wise. It's an open world hack-and-slash RPG where you pick a Vocation (aka class, you get three in the beginning but after a point get to choose from all nine), where you travel across the lands to fight ferocious monsters, complete quests and try not to die. You can also climb giant monsters in combat to, for example, hit a cyclops in its eye with your sword.

But the cool thing is the Pawn system, which lets you form a party consisting of you and three pawns. You get to customize your own pawn, level them up and equip them in any way you want. Meanwhile the other two pawns are recruited from either ingame pawns OR other players' pawns, though they don't level up unlike your main. You can teach your pawn habits (such as focusing on healing) and efficient ways to defeat monsters (if the pawn witnesses a wolf get badly harmed by fire, they will actually learn that fire = dead wolf and remember that for future confrontations).

The pawn system, alongside the engaging, fun and challenging (especially in the Dark Arisen content) gameplay, is what personally endeared me to Dragon's Dogma. I wholeheartedly recommend it.

Fair warning though, a lot of sidequests will automatically fail or be unavailable if you progress to certain points in the main story questline, so keep that in mind.
 
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So who do you guys actually think the most likely Square rep is if we actually do get another?

Only ones I see in the running are

2B
Geno
Lara Croft
Neku

Sora doesn't count as he's Disney.
Sora because **** your rules
 

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So who do you guys actually think the most likely Square rep is if we actually do get another?

Only ones I see in the running are

2B
Geno
Lara Croft
Neku

Sora doesn't count as he's Disney.
Someone from the cult classic Super Nintendo Entertainment System video game EVO: Search for Eden
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Honestly, I doubt it'll get any acknowledgement from Smash. I just felt like bringing it up just because I could.
 

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As the owner of two threads dedicated to LoL, I'm not putting too much stock in it, either, but... honestly? Every time I see the Mana Spirit event get called a "lucky guess", it kinda reeks of Mandela effect.

Sure, Square was marketing Mana, but they did the same for Octopath and that didn't get a Spirit event until its second anniversary. We have yet to see what they do with Bravely Default 2, as well.

In fact, many were convinced we wouldn't get more content from Square because "Square stingy" or something. So I really don't see how it was obvious - there were some people predicting it, but it was far from a common opinion.

If you want to argue against that rumor, the Hollow Knight Mii costume we haven't got yet (with a very specific piece of music) and the fact that we've had a previous 4chan leak with legit info but a fake Smash tease (the Dante one) are way better arguments tbh.
Not really.

Octopath was already out by the time Smash launched. and during the time, ToM was HEAVILY advertised. Was it 'odd' that Octopath took soo long to get a Spirit event? I mean, where's the Luigi's Mansion 3 Spirit event? Not every game gets one period, but at least with Trials of Mana, there was a reasonable guess it could happen.
 

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Damn I Really missed all the Square discussion

Sephiroth Honestly Fits better as DLC If you ask me (I Know someone said they be better as base). DLC is Supposed to be Extra after all, and Sephiroth is Extra content to FF7. I don't know the licensing with the Remake Stuff and whether Square was able to make licensing easier
 

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The Square Enix fighter will be a prominent character from a particular SNES RPG release that while not as challenging as titles like FF4 or FF6, was the first Role Playing Game that many young fans experienced and whose eventual appearance on the SNES Virtual Console truly was a cause for celebration.



In 2021, Benjamin Is On A Quest for Victory!
 
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Oh boy, a midi port of Sephiroth's theme from the original FF7. :nifty: How generous of them.
One Winged Angel would be expensive to get, But NO WAY they will just make a Midi out of it. I don't even know if there are Midis for it

Dragon Quest was a Special Case, just like Final Fantasy is, but they both different. Pit will be in Bliss listening to the Real Song even while Masumune is inserted into him showing him who the True Angel is
 

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Damn I Really missed all the Square discussion

Sephiroth Honestly Fits better as DLC If you ask me (I Know someone said they be better as base). DLC is Supposed to be Extra after all, and Sephiroth is Extra content to FF7. I don't know the licensing with the Remake Stuff and whether Square was able to make licensing easier
Don't worry, it will be back next week.
 

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One Winged Angel would be expensive to get, But NO WAY they will just make a Midi out of it. I don't even know if there are Midis for it

Dragon Quest was a Special Case, just like Final Fantasy is, but they both different. Pit will be in Bliss listening to the Real Song even while Masumune is inserted into him showing him who the True Angel is
HEY! PHRASING!!
 

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Personally, I'd compare it more to Dark Souls than Elder Scrolls gameplay wise. It's an open world hack-and-slash RPG where you pick a Vocation (aka class, you get three in the beginning but after a point get to choose from all nine), where you travel across the lands to fight ferocious monsters, complete quests and try not to die. You can also climb giant monsters in combat to, for example, hit a cyclops in its eye with your sword.

But the cool thing is the Pawn system, which lets you form a party consisting of you and three pawns. You get to customize your own pawn, level them up and equip them in any way you want. Meanwhile the other two pawns are recruited from either ingame pawns OR other players' pawns, though they don't level up unlike your main. You can teach your pawn habits (such as focusing on healing) and efficient ways to defeat monsters (if the pawn witnesses a wolf get badly harmed by fire, they will actually learn that fire = dead wolf and remember that for future confrontations).

The pawn system, alongside the engaging, fun and challenging (especially in the Dark Arisen content) gameplay, is what personally endeared me to Dragon's Dogma. I wholeheartedly recommend it.

Fair warning though, a lot of sidequests will automatically fail or be unavailable if you progress to certain points in the main story questline, so keep that in mind.
Also, character creation, one of the best there is.
 

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That pretty much guarantees she won't be in because Nintendo and third pillars never pan out.
“The Switch will be a 3rd Pillar console to our business. This will not effect 3DS or Wii U”

RIP Wii U
RIP 3DS
 

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Even still, isn't Square pushing Nier to be its new 3rd pillar? It was being HEAVILY promoted during TGS iirc.
I think it's a legacy title versus recent success type of thing. Tomb Raider is almost even with Dragon Quest in terms of sales, but Nier smashed through expectations and broke Platinum out of a rut. I'm not a Squeenix expert, so I can't say for sure.
 

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Even still, isn't Square pushing Nier to be its new 3rd pillar? It was being HEAVILY promoted during TGS iirc.
Yeah, that’s possible though I think the whole “pillars” thing is mostly due to the individual companies within Square. Final Fantasy for Square, Dragon Quest for Enix, Tomb Raider for Eidos. All based around legacy characters and franchises that have sustained their popularity. Like, yeah, without a doubt NieR is the new hotness and moving forward it could definitely be put on a pedestal as a flagship franchise but I think that’s what the “3 pillars” entails.

Tomb Raider is on a whole different level too because it’s globally known across all sorts of media outlets. Tomb Raider being as big as it is is why I’m actually surprised Lara hasn’t happened yet.
 

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Yeah, that’s possible though I think the whole “pillars” thing is mostly due to the individual companies within Square. Final Fantasy for Square, Dragon Quest for Enix, Tomb Raider for Eidos. All based around legacy characters and franchises that have sustained their popularity. Like, yeah, without a doubt NieR is the new hotness and moving forward it could definitely be put on a pedestal as a flagship franchise but I think that’s what the “3 pillars” entails.

Tomb Raider is on a whole different level too because it’s globally known across all sorts of media outlets. Tomb Raider being as big as it is is why I’m actually surprised Lara hasn’t happened yet.
I mean it took until FP1 to get the archetypal JRPG series represented (Though that was originally planned for the base game). The thing is that there's a lot of huge games out there, so it's hard to cover every single base.
 
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I mean it took until FP1 to get the archetypal JRPG series represented (Though that was originally planned for the base game). The thing is that there's a lot of huge games out there, so it's hard to cover every single base.
Well, FP1 was only the second real opportunity to do so. The first was in Smash 4, when we got Cloud, and seemingly because of licensing costs Dragon Quest was passed over for Ultimate's base game. It really wasn't a "why didn't they do it until now?" situation.

Before Smash 4 the series wasn't actively looking to expand with big 3rd parties like it is now.

Edit: I think I misread your post a bit and we're saying similar things. Sorry if the post came off in a strange way. I'm a little out of it today.
 
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It's more amazing a character from a 20+ year game (Geno) has more support and demand than THE most iconic female video game character (Lara Croft).

You'd honestly think that'd be the opposite yet here we are. Nothing against Geno by the way, he'd still be a fun character to play as and I'd welcome his inclusion.
 

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It's more amazing a character from a 20+ year game (Geno) has more support and demand than THE most iconic female video game character (Lara Croft).

You'd honestly think that'd be the opposite yet here we are. Nothing against Geno by the way, he'd still be a fun character to play as and I'd welcome his inclusion.
The main reason Geno is even still a thing now is because of Sakurai saying he wanted him playable (and also the lack of the Mii outfit still). Not many other characters have that luxary.
 

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It's more amazing a character from a 20+ year game (Geno) has more support and demand than THE most iconic female video game character (Lara Croft).

You'd honestly think that'd be the opposite yet here we are. Nothing against Geno by the way, he'd still be a fun character to play as and I'd welcome his inclusion.
That’s definitely because Geno is a Nintendo character & most Nintendo fans aren’t too familiar with Lara.

I think the only Square characters that have a shot are Lara, Geno, 2B & maaaaybe a Bravely Defauly character. I don’t think anyone else would be too attractive to Nintendo.
 

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tbh I can kinda see a Taito character being a darkhorse candidate for a new SE character.

Taito is kinda like SNK in that its this hugely historic thing in Japanese gaming, they literally created one of the most iconic games ever in the form of Space Invader. Only problem is, I don't see how a SI character would actually work.

My idea would be Bub and Bob (they'd be alts), and they'd be kinda like Pac-Man where their moveset contains some references to Taito's other arcade games (i.e Down Special would be putting down the laser cannon from Space Invader that you can move left and right and fire a projectile upward). Like Terry, their pack would be about celebrating Taito's history, with music, spirits and Mii outfits from games like Space Invader, Rainbow Island, Pocky & Rocky, etc.
 

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I suspect if Lara had a bigger legacy on Nintendo, that also might have changed things. She's not a sentimental favorite in that regard like a Simon or Mega Man, an obvious famous rival like Sonic/Crash, or even one of the biggest contemporary series that has people thinking "Man, what if they were in Smash?" like Dante or Sora.
 

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Not really.

Octopath was already out by the time Smash launched. and during the time, ToM was HEAVILY advertised. Was it 'odd' that Octopath took soo long to get a Spirit event? I mean, where's the Luigi's Mansion 3 Spirit event? Not every game gets one period, but at least with Trials of Mana, there was a reasonable guess it could happen.
When you use this thing called hindsight, everything is "obvious"

The very idea of a Trials of Mana Spirit Event wasn't exactly a big talk due to how "generous" Square had been with its IP so far for Smash, and no one really expected it to happen again because of that, even less so for a game that was 2 years old.
 
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When you use this thing called hindsight, everything is "obvious"

The very idea of a Trials of Mana Spirit Event wasn't exactly a big talk due to how "generous" Square had been with its IP so far for Smash, and no one really expected it to happen again because of that, even less so for a game that was 2 years old.
I mean, I was calling it at the time so. :drshrug:


We had already seen Square push Nintendo HARD in the direction of "PROMOTE THIS GAME!" when it came to DQ11s. The fact that Trials of Mana was also being pushed hard was pretty telling. This isn't even a "In hindsight" thing. It was a "Oh, promotion, okay".
 

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I mean, I was calling it at the time so. :drshrug:


We had already seen Square push Nintendo HARD in the direction of "PROMOTE THIS GAME!" when it came to DQ11s. The fact that Trials of Mana was also being pushed hard was pretty telling. This isn't even a "In hindsight" thing. It was a "Oh, promotion, okay".
I always thought the reason Nintendo pushed DQ XI S so hard was because they were the publisher for international releases of the game.
 

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I always thought the reason Nintendo pushed DQ XI S so hard was because they were the publisher for international releases of the game.
That, and it was a massive game on it's own and an exclusive (at the time), definitive edition installment of one of Japan's biggest series. Sounds like something worth investing in to me.
 
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