Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Teeb147]

I'd say Mother is, but that series is walking a fine line between niche and well known. Though, not many people have played Mother 3 compared to EarthBound.

That's fair enough. I didn't finish mother 3 but I thought it was really cool how they did the battles, and just more earthbound It's really too bad they didn't want to port it, we need more funky rpgs like it around. (that's a compliment to it )

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

...we need more funky rpgs like it around. (that's a compliment to it )

Heh, funky is probably a word the series itself would use to describe itself.

Then again, its entire marketing campaign was telling people that the game sucks so...

 

[Teeb147]

I'd say Ryo from Art of Fighting, followed by Nakoruru.

I know GoodGrief also mentioned Goemon, but, while Konami has the series in the deep freeze these days, to my knowledge it did used to be quite popular and prevalent in Japan.

Nakoruru was in a lot of great snk fighting games tho. I don't know if I consider her super niche. I don't know how popular goemon is but I do know it's well known at least (in japan especially obviously)

 

[N3ON]

I'd say Mother is, but that series is walking a fine line between niche and well known. Though, not many people have played Mother 3 compared to EarthBound.

If you're going to count first party costumes it's gotta be something like Sin & Punishment.

Nakoruru was in a lot of great snk fighting games tho. I don't know if I consider her super niche. I don't know how popular goemon is but I do know it's well known at least (in japan especially obviously)

Quality is not a measure of prevalence.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

sucks so...

Stinks actually

 

[Teeb147]

If you're going to count first party costumes it's gotta be something like Sin & Punishment.


Quality is not a measure of prevalence.

The whole Samurai Showdown + King of fighters + SNK vs Capcom. Feels very prevalent to me

 

[MooMew64]

I need to get around to playing Cuphead.

Too bad I have like...20-30 other games to play that basically add up to like 900 hours of playtime.

Please send help.

By backlog got destroyed by Destiny 2 this last month.

So fun...But so much grinding. help

I'm looking forward to CP7 giving me a reason to return to Smash. Hoping personally it'll be someone really interesting moveset-wise.

 

[GoodGrief741]

If I'm being honest, I was hoping more people would call me out for my bizarre takes.

You do it with self-awareness, so imo it doesn't come off as weird or anything.

why does every fake leaker say that they know who the character is but then don't say it? like at least take the plunge, its way better than just vague bull****.

Because that's what real leakers do, mostly. Nintendo's leak prevention has reportedly gotten so tight that actual insiders don't find it worth the risk to leak stuff outright, and so they're vague to maintain plausible deniability.

As for the fake leakers, I guess pretending to be an insider gives them more attention than the short-term con of dropping a name and being disproven when the next character arrives.

Would us not getting a Gen 8 Pokemon at all in FP2 be a bizarre take?

If it is, I'm a bizarre person.

It'll probably get a sequel due to the studio being extremely intrested, but I don't think the sales of the first game alone are enough to convince Nintendo that this is the next IP worth investing money into.

I know that probably sounds harsh, but look at Kid Icarus. Sold around 1.5 million, Sakurai said he wasn't intrested in making a sequel, and Nintendo never bothered to capitalize on the modest success of the game. It did well, but not well enough for Nintendo to find someone else who would be willing to work on the series.

I think it's the other way around though. Kid Icarus Uprising would 100% get a sequel greenlit, but creatively it's Sakurai's brainchild (plus there's that whole Japanese thing of not meddling with other people's work). Since Sakurai had to make Smash, because there's much more financial benefit to Nintendo in releasing Smash games for their consoles, KIU had to be put in the back burner. If Sakurai ever retires from Smash, or simply finds the time to get around to making it, it'll get made.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Stinks actually

Either way the subtext is "ew this game is peepee poopoo don't play it", which is just about the worst attempt at reverse psycology ever. lol

 

[N3ON]

The whole Samurai Showdown + King of fighters + SNK vs Capcom. Feels very prevalent to me

Ryo is in almost all the KoF games as opposed to Nakoruru's single playable appearance in that series, they're both in SNK vs. Capcom, and you didn't even argue him being the most niche.

A minute ago you were going to put Sans and Cuphead beneath these characters.

Who would you classify as the second most niche third-party costume?

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Astral Chain was a modest success, but I don't think it did well enough for us to know if Nintendo has a permanent place for it.

I'll have to wait and see how the alleged sequel performs. People now have a reference for what the series is like, so sales could spike or plummet from here on out.

I don't think Nintendo views that at all about Astral Chain. The director had said it surpassed its sell expectations.

Astral Chain director pleased with sales that 'surpassed expectations'

Run! It’s Five-O! PlatinumGames’ dystopian anime adventure Astral Chain might not have been at the top of many shopping lists...

www.destructoid.com

Nintendo has given games that sold about on par or even less sequels even recent stuff like funding two Bayonetta sequels, two Xenoblade sequels, like half of the Fatal Frame games, hell a number of games that originally released on Wii U like Pikmin 3, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, Hyrule Warriors were in the same ball of sales as Astral Chain and those games weren't a new IP and either got a port to the Switch or sequel. Astral Chain being a new IP from a AA Japanese studio selling over a million copies is great especially since the only other Platinum games were able to do so were Metal Gear Rising, Bayonetta 1 (after a bunch of ports), and Nier Automata.

I think an Astral Chain 2 is far more likely then most sequels that Nintendo fans claim to be clamoring for like F-Zero, Eternal Darkness, Golden Sun, Advance Wars, Mother/Earthbound, Star Tropics etc.

 

[Teeb147]

Ryo is in almost all the KoF games as opposed to Nakoruru's single playable appearance in that series, they're both in SNK vs. Capcom, and you didn't even argue him being the most niche.

A minute ago you were going to put Sans and Cuphead beneath these characters.

Who would you classify as the second most niche third-party costume?

I don't know much about Ryo. I did about nakoruru. I was just making the point for her for now.
I'd put sans and cuphead underneath them for sure. But I tried to look for the sales of the games I mentioned and can't find them, so I'm not sure.

I guess cuphead cant the second most niche, with those sales, though if it's about being reknown in the gaming world, I'm not sure where I'd put him.
I asked about who'd people consider niche because I'm not sure. I liked hearing the points

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I wonder...what would you guys think of a Final Fantasy VII Remake style "remake" of the Earthbound series? Like, the entire series re-imagined in a way that provides a completely different experience while still capturing what made the games special in the first place.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Heh, funky is probably a word the series itself would use to describe itself.

Yeah, the series can be a bit odd at times.

 

[Teeb147]

I wonder...what would you guys think of a Final Fantasy VII Remake style "remake" of the Earthbound series? Like, the entire series re-imagined in a way that provides a completely different experience while still capturing what made the games special in the first place.

I mean, what I like about earthbound is the style, it doesn't have to be retro rpg for me. So it'd be fine. But it would really have to be as charming (and zany) :D

 

[N3ON]

I don't know much about Ryo. I did about nakoruru. I was just making the point for her for now.
I'd put sans and cuphead underneath them for sure. But I tried to look for the sales of the games I mentioned and can't find them, so I'm not sure.

I guess cuphead cant the second most niche, with those sales, though if it's about being reknown in the gaming world, I'm not sure where I'd put him.
I asked about who'd people consider niche because I'm not sure. I liked hearing the points

Just because you hear the bullet points for a character, it doesn't mean it encapsulates their stature. Nakoruru's got some good PR in the Smash fanbase, because she's not quite the big deal some make her out to be.

In fact, most SNK characters are niche. It's a company that mostly appeals to fighting game fans. And most fighting game series are niche. It has a thriving competitive scene, which gives it a vocal online contingent, but the genre itself only flirts with the mainstream in a handful of cases.

I think perspective on that gets skewed a bit here, because the Smash fanbase is within that camp, even if off to the side, somewhat.

Now, Ryo and Nakoruru aren't the most niche characters out there, but most DLC Mii costumes aren't niche... because they want them to sell well. Someone has to be at the bottom.

 

[Teeb147]

Just because you hear the bullet points for a character, it doesn't mean it encapsulates their stature. Nakoruru's got some good PR in the Smash fanbase, because she's not quite the big deal some make her out to be.

In fact, most SNK characters are niche. It's a company that mostly appeals to fighting game fans. And most fighting game series are niche. It has a thriving competitive scene, which gives it a vocal online contingent, but the genre itself only flirts with the mainstream in a handful of cases.

I think perspective on that gets skewed a bit here, because the Smash fanbase is within that camp, even if off to the side, somewhat.

Now, Ryo and Nakoruru aren't the most niche characters out there, but most DLC Mii costumes aren't niche... because they want them to sell well. Someone has to be at the bottom.

I haven't even looked that much for fighting game content but it does show up in gaming circles, and Samurai Showdown is just a great fighting game. King of Fighters is definitely more popular, and Capcom vs SNK is big too, in the fighting game crowd of course.
I don't think it flirts more than some indie games like cuphead. You have to remember that those fighting games are long standing and have made the rounds and been heard about for many many years.

The first fighting game I liked was Samurai Showdown, it just happened to be in quite a few arcades back in the day. I can't speak for others, obviously, but there's just a lot of gaming history that I'm sure ends up making them reknown, just not as much to the newer generation.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I wonder...what would you guys think of a Final Fantasy VII Remake style "remake" of the Earthbound series? Like, the entire series re-imagined in a way that provides a completely different experience while still capturing what made the games special in the first place.

I'd be down for it, but it would be pretty hard to get right unless Itoi's involved. The tone of Earthbound is super specific, to replicate that from the ground up while trying to provide a new experience... I'm not saying it can't be done, but I wouldn't want to be the guy who tried.

 

[PacificFun]

It would be pretty wild if this "leak" is legit: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/79005945

Potential spoliers as the guy seems pretty confident. Though, I still don't believe them.

 

[Teeb147]

It would be pretty wild if this "leak" is legit: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/79005945

Potential spoliers as the guy seems pretty confident. Though, I still don't believe them.

Niiice. Now that'd be interesting for a fighter (and western kinda like the other leak)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

It would be pretty wild if this "leak" is legit: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/79005945

Potential spoliers as the guy seems pretty confident. Though, I still don't believe them.

They say they have some sort of proof.

I'd love to see it.

 

[SneakyLink]

It would be pretty wild if this "leak" is legit: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/79005945

Potential spoliers as the guy seems pretty confident. Though, I still don't believe them.

If the Orisa skin thing is legitimate, I’m gonna Hunt down the initial leaks of it.
Remember the golden rule: Just because someone was legit once doesn’t mean they’re always legit.
And besides, Tracer can’t be in Smash because I’m already Tracer

 

[Shroob]

It would be pretty wild if this "leak" is legit: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/79005945

Potential spoliers as the guy seems pretty confident. Though, I still don't believe them.

Smells a lot like a piggypack off the Reddit leak since it checks the boxes of Popular in the West and unexpected.

Their proof is..... "I leaked two skins in Overwatch"

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It would be pretty wild if this "leak" is legit: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/79005945

Potential spoliers as the guy seems pretty confident. Though, I still don't believe them.

Legitimate question: Isn't Tracer disconfirmed on account of the devs saying she wasn't in?

 

[Teeb147]

If the Orisa skin thing is legitimate, I’m gonna Hunt down the initial leaks of it.
Remember the golden rule: Just because someone was legit once doesn’t mean they’re always legit.
And besides, Tracer can’t be in Smash because I’m already Tracer

Good idea, tho I'm sure if they say it it must be real else it'd be easy to find out.

Im surprised they dont say a date for the reveal tho

 

[PacificFun]

Legitimate question: Isn't Tracer disconfirmed on account of the devs saying she wasn't in?

How long ago did they say that?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

How long ago did they say that?

I don't remember how long ago or if that's exactly what was said. That's why the question.

 

[Shroob]

They say they have some sort of proof.

I'd love to see it.

Their proof is apparently leaking 2 skins in Overwatch correctly

...except they didn't say where or offer proof that they did so.


Not even a link to a reddit/twitter/gamefaqs post?

 

[Teeb147]

Legitimate question: Isn't Tracer disconfirmed on account of the devs saying she wasn't in?

As far as I know they didn't say that, they only rooted for her, which isn't saying she's in or not. We took it as a soft deconfirmation because it's not common for developpers to promote a character after they're in. Tho im curious when the article was done.

 

[weallfloatdownhere7]

Haven’t we learned by now that these “leaks” that go into so much detail about everything are literally always fake? No legitimate leaker has ever gone into detail about the reveal trailer or how the character plays or etc. They just know who the character is. No more, no less. Another total bs leak

 

[Teeb147]

It was in July, so definitely weird time for them to talk about Tracer for smash, but they didn't say she's not in or in

Jeff Kaplan asks Smash Ultimate to add Overwatch hero as DLC fighter - Dexerto

Overwatch’s Jeff Kaplan has once again requested that Tracer gets added to the Smash Ultimate roster as a future DLC fighter.

www.dexerto.com

 

[SneakyLink]

Did a quick search for the account name:
Good news is, the account isn’t your typical “made within the last week” account that we all know and love!
Bad: Can’t search their post history.
Also did a quick search of the Overwatch PC board on the site to see if anything Orisa leaked. No results yet.

 

[Shroob]

Haven’t we learned by now that these “leaks” that go into so much detail about everything are literally always fake? No legitimate leaker has ever gone into detail about the reveal trailer or how the character plays or etc. They just know who the character is. No more, no less. Another total bs leak

I mean, we know this is more likely than not fake.


But if someone tosses a ball to ya, you throw it back, right? Why not kill a couple minutes if we got nothing better to do.

 

[Cosmic77]

I don't think Nintendo views that at all about Astral Chain. The director had said it surpassed its sell expectations.

Astral Chain director pleased with sales that 'surpassed expectations'

Run! It’s Five-O! PlatinumGames’ dystopian anime adventure Astral Chain might not have been at the top of many shopping lists...

www.destructoid.com

Nintendo has given games that sold about on par or even less sequels even recent stuff like funding two Bayonetta sequels, two Xenoblade sequels, like half of the Fatal Frame games, hell a number of games that originally released on Wii U like Pikmin 3, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, Hyrule Warriors were in the same ball of sales as Astral Chain and those games weren't a new IP and either got a port to the Switch or sequel. Astral Chain being a new IP from a AA Japanese studio selling over a million copies is great especially since the only other Platinum games were able to do so were Metal Gear Rising, Bayonetta 1 (after a bunch of ports), and Nier Automata.

I think an Astral Chain 2 is far more likely then most sequels that Nintendo fans claim to be clamoring for like F-Zero, Eternal Darkness, Golden Sun, Advance Wars, Mother/Earthbound, Star Tropics etc.

I was referring to the future of the series beyond a sequel.

Platinum really seems to want a sequel, so Nintendo will probably spring for it since the sales for the first have been pretty good. If the sequel does just as good or better, Nintendo might ask them to make even more. If it doesn't, Nintendo might ask them to invest their time in something else, and then we might have to wait a while before we get another Astral Chain entry.

 

[cashregister9]

It would be pretty wild if this "leak" is legit: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/79005945

Potential spoliers as the guy seems pretty confident. Though, I still don't believe them.

I really want Tracer but this leak is very fake.

One thing I noticed is that it had too many details about everything like the moveset and trailer, Assuming they leaked the skins, I have doubt that the person who would know about the skins would also be the person editing the Trailers.

 

[Shroob]

Did a quick search for the account name:
Good news is, the account isn’t your typical “made within the last week” account that we all know and love!
Bad: Can’t search their post history.
Also did a quick search of the Overwatch PC board on the site to see if anything Orisa leaked. No results yet.

Can't because you don't know how

Or can't because it's privated?


If it's the latter, that's hella sus.

 

[GoodGrief741]

It would be pretty wild if this "leak" is legit: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/79005945

Potential spoliers as the guy seems pretty confident. Though, I still don't believe them.

Post is gone, what'd it say?

 

[PacificFun]

Haven’t we learned by now that these “leaks” that go into so much detail about everything are literally always fake? No legitimate leaker has ever gone into detail about the reveal trailer or how the character plays or etc. They just know who the character is. No more, no less. Another total bs leak

Eh, its all in the speculation.

 

[Teeb147]

I really want Tracer but this leak is very fake.

One thing I noticed is that it had too many details about everything like the moveset and trailer, Assuming they leaked the skins, I have doubt that the person who would know about the skins would also be the person editing the Trailers.

IF they saw the trailer, then it would probably mean it's coming soon. If not, then I don't see how they would be able to see it. And they didn't say a date or anything.

 

[weallfloatdownhere7]

I mean, we know this is more likely than not fake.


But if someone tosses a ball to ya, you throw it back, right? Why not kill a couple minutes if we got nothing better to do.

I would just not even bother wasting my time with crap that’s obviously fake. Might as well be watching a LaxChris video at that point