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Raditz and Zarbon won't turn all of his accurate leaks into "guesses", and we're talking about a lot of stuff; needless to say, his last good calls were just a few days before EVO came out. I don't know why you guys still latch on to that in the hopes to make Vergeben look like a fraud.
I can't say it's a hard deconfirm either, I just think some aboard the "Spirits don't deconfirm" train of thought will distance themselves from it if and when it proves contrary to what we get.
Oh man, I can't belieeeeeeve how much revisionism there's been in regards to Simon. Him and Cloud, it's ridiculous. Prior to Vergeben, Simon was seen as, at best, a dark horse. So many more people were giving Bomberman the odds, and even he wasn't like... topping the expectation lists.
The key is always balance. With the pass, there isn't any in the first/third-party sense, and that's why it's beginning to wear a little thin. Just a little though. It'll be hard for the complaints regarding an overabundance of third-parties to really take over, given the pool of Nintendo hopefuls keeps draining while the third-parties just seem to get swapped out with new favourites. Especially since the third-parties are at a greater risk of being cycled out going forward.
I like Chris and wouldn't mind seeing him in Smash, but compared to Jill or Leon he's definitely the least interesting out of the three. Hell I'd even argue that his sister Claire is a more interesting character despite being less prevalent. It also doesn't help that he's more associated with the action-heavy Resi games such as 5 and 6, and while those games are fine pieces of entertainment (at least for 5, can't speak for 6), most fans would prefer the older survival horror games be prioritized in terms of representation. I still think the best case scenario would be Jill, Leon, Chris, and Claire as alts with their REmake/RE2 designs. I don't think proportions would be that much of a problem since RE1 Chris ain't that much of a beefcake compared to his RE5 counterpart and Smash has taken creative liberties with character height before, but I can understand the animation concerns due to the vastly different personalities
As far as locations go, Raccoon City is very prominent location in the original trilogy (moreso RE2 and RE3) and could have various references to those games. Plus a burning city really isn't something that's been done in Smash before, so at the very least it'd make for a unique stage. Aside from Nemesis, I think any tyrant that isn't too explicit is fair game. Mr. X and T-A.L.O.S. could definitely work as is, though some such as T-002 might need to be toned down a bit to fit E10 standards. The issue with tyrants is that a lot of them are naked humanoid creatures with a ton of body horror elements, and I can't really see that flying in Smash. Nemesis is about as far as I see them pushing things in terms of grotesqueness, and even then he isn't that much worse than some of the Castlevania monsters imo. I'm almost certain Resident Evil will get some sort of special treatment if it came to Smash. All the DLC characters so far have gotten a little extra something and I doubt RE would be an exception
It wasn't super pronounced, but I definitely remember people looking down on characters like K. Rool, at least, saying he would never get in if he didn't get in after four games, and that Ryu/Cloud were obviously better and smarter picks and the "vocal minority" didn't matter.
The next two will be neither common fan requests, third-party, nor promotions for an upcoming/recent game.
, Sm4sh:Ultimate (Base):) by who do you see fitting that bill?
Byleth/Edelgard and the Sword/Shield starters. You can't go more anticlimatic and anti-hype-inducing as that.Question for y'all. If the last two are indeed unhyped/anti-climatic picks if every end reveal is to go (Brawl:
Yup, That's a C-Tier Character alright.
Mmm, yeahhhhh, but I would say that kind of behaviour is more symptomatic of people just defending whatever winds up on the roster at any given time rather than an anti-Nintendo sentiment being contained solely in a DLC phase abundant in everything but Nintendo newcomers. Especially popular ones. Let's not forget that Ryu and Cloud were not conventional nor widely embraced choices prior to their inclusions. You can bet if we had got K. Rool instead of Cloud people would've been saying "well, obviously - K. Rool is popular, this is a ballot, and Cloud barely has anything to do with Nintendo".
Well keep in mind that even though the ratio keeps tipping more towards third-parties, after the pass concludes, assuming all five are third-parties, the Nintendo newcomers will still boast the higher count. Plus people really against third-parties have the option to pass on five of them. And that's without counting how they prioritized bringing back the cut vets, all but one being first-party.
That extremely niche indie happens to consistently trump Sans and especially Frisk in sincere requests within the Smash fandom, arguably ever since the ballot started. On top of being the hands down most requested 3rd party female (outside of currently 2B in Japan) ever since Bayonetta was revealed. Every large unofficial ballot test spanning to just before Banjo's reveal shows that she has staying power and just keeps climbing.
I think base games going forward will still be mostly first party characters with a drop of third parties. That won't change. Nintendo will always have an interest in using the game partially to promote their own titles and characters.
Shantae is definitely popular and has a shot, but I wouldn’t cast Undertale aside, either. A lot of people still like Sans, Papyrus, Frisk, and the others, even ignoring memes.
Nah, I wouldn't dare dismiss Undertale as a possibility. Sans does sit as the most requested (Or is it predicted?) indie in Japan's Smash fandom. On top of being quite the craze during the ballot.
I've never said or implied anything about "Nintendo history". I'm personally with you on that poor excuse. That logic was destroyed with Cloud and a dead horse beaten by Joker.
Undertale came out in the last month of the Smash Ballot. I seriously doubt many people were voting for Undertale characters.
I’m sure there’s people that seem kinda rude and treat them only as memes, like fake fans on 4chan, but most supporters and popularity I’ve seen are genuine, like that Steve animated moveset video with a very high like count. I guess “partially tongue-in-cheek” could still be used, but it seems insignificant enough to not matter, since others could be treated the same way especially with even big fan-wants we all know getting memed to death even before their inclusions. Steve was wanted even in Smash 4 days like on Miiverse.
Steve had the benefit of Vergeben legitimizing the support. With less of a stigma, it helped bring the genuine fans out of the woodwork. Beforehand it seemed a muddy affair anywhere that wasn't dedicated solely to Steve himself. To me at least. That's what I was drawing my comparison from.
More or less. I think the only character in Smash Ultimate that could ever be reliably considered a lock was the Inklings, though I'll include Isabelle if I'm being generous, only her implementation (semi-clone) was unlikely.
Pretty much yes, I think the only character you could really have considered a "lock" from the start where Inklings.
I think we were talking about it before Hero's reveal actually. Also, I don't think they're body types are so different that they can't share hitboxes like the male and female variants of the Wii Fit Trainer do. I mean, yes Chris's current design is an outlier but it's not necessarily the design they'll go with (Smash likes using the older designs anyway) and he could also be toned down in the muscle department to make it work.
Those would unironically be the best parts of the Fighters Pass for me.
Lol. Meanwhile I’m sitting here, with those same thoughts towards most third parties, but also hoping for first parties with possibly an even smaller chance of making it in.
How many fans took part in the K. Rool and Ridley stuff?
That depends on how you play the game, though being peaceful didn't stop Villager, Isabelle, Wii Fit Trainer, or Rosalina from being included.
Those characters didn't have the opportunity to fight. Frisk gets attacked and is supposed to choose not to fight.
Again it depends on how you play the game. You can attack in Undertale there's nothing stopping you. The game just treats it as morally wrong (or at least not without consequences). A proper Frisk moveset would probably use both styles of play.
It's not as if you NEED to make the playstyle be a 1:1 copy of the game he came from. Look at Joker, there is no persona switching in his moveset and his down b is a Smash Bros original. Sometimes compromises can be made for characters. For Frisk you don't need to implement the Genocide/Pacifist mechanics as faithfully as possible. One idea you can do is make his specials based on when his heart changes color in battle. A green heart for example gives him a shield that can defend him from projectiles, that's a possible idea for a down b. A yellow heart makes him fire a projectile, that can be made as his neutral b.
I think it's the choice that makes Undertale unique. If Frisk were to get into smash, then I think he'll have aspects from both pacifist and genocide. You could FIGHT, causing Frisk to act like a normal character (with the unique mechanic of becoming more oppressive the more damage its dealt) or ACT, changing your attacks to silly things that don't do damage and instead make your opponent lose it's will to fight. Once the enemy starts flashing or glowing yellow (or something) you can spare them (which is effectively an instakill that looks like mercy).
