Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SMAASH! Puppy]

That would FINALLY put the "POKEMON IS THE EXPECTION" fan rule to bed. Permanently.
Anything in the base game of Ultimate is now in the running thanks to Min Min.
Any franchise gets into Smash post launch and dose not come with a fighter is out of luck.
Astral Chain got a Spirit Event: no fighter.
River City got a Spirit Event: no fighter.
Paper Mario the Origami King got a Spirit Event: no fighter.
Undertale got a Sans Mii Costume plus a Megalovania remix: no fighter.
Tekken got a Heihachi Mii Costume: no fighter.
Fire Emblem: Three Houses didn't get anything until Byleth was revealed to be part of Challenger Pack 5.
Guess what? Pokemon Sword and Shield got a Spirit Event: STILL POSSIBLE FIGHTER!

Fixed.

 

[Will]

Before I get inevitably proven wrong, here's my Vol.2 predictions from awhile back.

I'm not as confident in LOL as I was, but the rest of them hold up.

People still have hope for Grovyle?

 

[kylexv]

I haven't seen this topic brought up yet so I'll just post it here.
New 7/11 pop display with Min Min is now up until October 4th.

A bit late to this, but....

7-Eleven: Return of the King

 

[PSIGuy]

The possibility of news soon is nice but I'm not gonna bother getting excited before we have any idea who or what the fighter is. Not expecting a lot from a shadowdropped fighter.

 

[Deleted member]

Sure, sure, but over 7/11?

I'm just joking, lol.

Before I get inevitably proven wrong, here's my Vol.2 predictions from awhile back.

I'm not as confident in LOL as I was, but the rest of them hold up.

-Steve

This would be amazing!!!!!

we don't hate Pokemon. we just don't think people should count their chickens before they hatch and consider a Gen 8 a definite lock.

heck, considering ANYONE a definite lock isn't healthy at all. unless of course they're leaked a la Hero, Ken or the ESRB leak

I don't hate Pokémon. I was just already pretty disappointed by Incineroar making it in as a fighter, find it somewhat annoying that Pokémon as a series is officially always confirmed to always have a spot reserved for it on the (base) roster, and didn't really enjoy Sword and Shield that much. The series should just sit the DLC out, I feel.

Oh, I see.

I don't think Gen 8 is a lock for the DLC.

 

[PeridotGX]

People still have hope for Grovyle?

I flipflop between him being a never-ever or the darkest horse every few months. When I made that roster, I was closer to the second option.

I'd say that if we get a PMD rep, it'd be Grovyle. The problem is getting the PMD rep...

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I flipflop between him being a never-ever or the darkest horse every few months. When I made that roster, I was closer to the second option.

I'd say that if we get a PMD rep, it'd be Grovyle. The problem is getting the PMD rep...

If the series keeps going, then we might see one in the next game. Maybe. It depends if they want it over the hot new starter or not.

 

[N3ON]

I don't hate Pokemon but it's hard not to be unenthused about a series that rejects picking its popular, longstanding fan-favourite characters in favour of a character it's going to shove in your face to varying degrees of success for around two or three years before it chucks them on the pile and carries on to the next one.

If Pokemon functioned like a normal series no one would be on about Cinderace, Urshifu and the other one. They'd be talking about Gardevoir and Gengar and Scizor and Blaziken and whatnot, and I'd rather see those kind of additions. Ironically being generally popular Pokemon has landed them a more perennial even if less intense place in promotion than the fleeting current flavours. You could pick the consistent b-lister or the character having their fifteen minutes of fame on the a-list.

Greninja was lucky to have clicked with people after having been selected, but I'd rather they go for the sure thing than gamble on a hit. Because sometimes you'll miss. I mean Incineroar would be out of sight and out of mind by now if he wasn't included.

And it's all ironic because if there's any series that doesn't need promotion, it's Pokemon.

 

[MooMew64]

Before I get inevitably proven wrong, here's my Vol.2 predictions from awhile back.

I'm not as confident in LOL as I was, but the rest of them hold up.

Man, Min Min, Steve, Waluigi, and Cinderace would make this pass 11/10 for me. I would really have a hard time asking for anything more if this is how things played out, lol.

 

[zacian]

I hope Zacian is the gen 8 rep cuz 1) they’re my favorite Pokémon and 2) I think it would be really funny

 

[KillerCage]

Why do all of you hate Pokémon so much?

I don't hate Pokemon: Gen 5 is my favorite generation since I began with Pokemon Yellow.
My problem is that Pokemon SwSh already got a Spirit Event which has denied franchises like Resident Evil from getting a Fighter in Ultimate.
People are acting like Pokemon is immune to patterns we are see regarding Spirit Events.
Fire Emblem was a smaller franchise than Pokemon yet it didn't get a Spirit Event.
We had to wait until Byleth's reveal before we got more Fire Emblem content post launch.
I'm not saying we won't get a Pokemon rep (though I think that's unlikely).
I'm saying that we won't get a Pokemon rep from Sword and Shield.

we don't hate Pokemon. we just don't think people should count their chickens before they hatch and consider a Gen 8 a definite lock.

heck, considering ANYONE a definite lock isn't healthy at all. unless of course they're leaked a la Hero, Ken or the ESRB leak

I don't hate Pokémon. I was just already pretty disappointed by Incineroar making it in as a fighter, find it somewhat annoying that Pokémon as a series is officially always confirmed to always have a spot reserved for it on the (base) roster, and didn't really enjoy Sword and Shield that much. The series should just sit the DLC out, I feel.

Thanks for backing me up!

 

[cashregister9]

Gen 8 has some of my favorite Pokemon designs and also the Galar Wild Area might actually be a perfect stage So I'd be happy with a Pokemon. But like many have said before There is no character that is a lock and also that Spirit Event was pretty sus.

 

[Dark Bagel]

Before I get inevitably proven wrong, here's my Vol.2 predictions from awhile back.

I'm not as confident in LOL as I was, but the rest of them hold up.

I see you put Rex and Bravely in a Schrödinger's Nia situation.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I see you put Rex and Bravely in a Schrödinger's Nia situation.

a what situation? care to explain?

 

[PSIGuy]

And it's all ironic because if there's any series that doesn't need promotion, it's Pokemon.

To be fair, a Pokemon addition probably promotes Smash more than Smash promotes Pokemon. Scorchbunny or Chameloseven or Donkeybongo just might get a few Pokemon fans to pick up Smash.

 

[Idon]

a what situation? care to explain?

Schrodinger's Cat.

Nia is a cat-girl from XC2,

It's a joke.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

a what situation? care to explain?

Schrodinger's Cat

Schrödinger's cat - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Edit: 'd

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I don't hate Pokemon but it's hard not to be unenthused about a series that rejects picking its popular, longstanding fan-favourite characters in favour of a character it's going to shove in your face to varying degrees of success for around two or three years before it chucks them on the pile and carries on to the next one.

If Pokemon functioned like a normal series no one would be on about Cinderace, Urshifu and the other one. They'd be talking about Gardevoir and Gengar and Scizor and Blaziken and whatnot, and I'd rather see those kind of additions. Ironically being generally popular Pokemon has landed them a more perennial even if less intense place in promotion than the fleeting current flavours. You could pick the consistent b-lister or the character having their fifteen minutes of fame on the a-list.

Greninja was lucky to have clicked with people after having been selected, but I'd rather they go for the sure thing than gamble on a hit. Because sometimes you'll miss. I mean Incineroar would be out of sight and out of mind by now if he wasn't included.

And it's all ironic because if there's any series that doesn't need promotion, it's Pokemon.

Yup. Honestly, it's the same with every rotating cast series.

• Greninja got lucky.
• People still hate Corrin with the passion of 1000 burning suns.
• Incineroar may be relevant now, but it's still in advertising fodder territory, and I doubt it will ever stay as popular as the likes of Blaziken and Garchomp.
• Byleth got lucky as well...kind of. His game did well but even Fire Emblem fans wanted literally anyone else.
• The Legend of Zelda fans are still waiting for a character that isn't Link, Zelda, or Ganondorf.

I'm saying that we won't get a Pokemon rep from Sword and Shield.

It's too early to say that. There multiple logical reasons as to why the precedent might not hold up in this regard:

• They know Pokémon is guaranteed sell like hotcakes.
• It's 1st party, so the needless re-negotiating issue doesn't apply.
• None of the realistic candidates are Spirits.
• Heck, we don't even know how long in advance these spirits were planned, so we may yet see a DLC spirit upgrade from any Spirit released before Byleth.

 

[CannonStreak]

Schrodinger's Cat

Schrödinger's cat - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

If it is complicated, it means a duality of states in particles, maybe Quantum Superposition, which is a possible combining with two or more quantum states in quantum mechanics,, with an example scenario with a cat being both alive and dead in a box that may have deadly gas or not until it is observed.

 

[Strong-Arm]

not to put on the tin foil hat but if spirit events deconfirm characters then my hope for Axel Stone has gone up a lot lmao

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

If it is complicated, it means a duality of states in particles, maybe Quantum Superposition, which is a possible combining with two or more quantum states in quantum mechanics,, with an example scenario with a cat being both alive and dead in a box that may have deadly gas or not until it is observed.

I never understood this example because 1, it's impossible to be both alive and dead, and 2, if a creature is put in a situation in which death is a certainty, it's chances of surviving don't increase just because nobody knows about it.

 

[CannonStreak]

I never understood this example because 1, it's impossible to be both alive and dead, and 2, if a creature is put in a situation in which death is a certainty, it's chances of surviving don't increase just because nobody knows about it.

It's just an example more than an actual thing. It is just used to illustrate something from quantum mechanics and the quantum world, not the cat. Let me tell you that quantum mechanics and the quantum world is much different than things on bigger scales, like what happens on the level of the real world.

 

[Deleted member]

Hoo boy, it's been a while since I last brought out this meme.

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7-11 is my favorite leaker.

This community is based.

 

[Curious Villager]

I don't hate Pokemon but it's hard not to be unenthused about a series that rejects picking its popular, longstanding fan-favourite characters in favour of a character it's going to shove in your face to varying degrees of success for around two or three years before it chucks them on the pile and carries on to the next one.

If Pokemon functioned like a normal series no one would be on about Cinderace, Urshifu and the other one. They'd be talking about Gardevoir and Gengar and Scizor and Blaziken and whatnot, and I'd rather see those kind of additions. Ironically being generally popular Pokemon has landed them a more perennial even if less intense place in promotion than the fleeting current flavours. You could pick the consistent b-lister or the character having their fifteen minutes of fame on the a-list.

Greninja was lucky to have clicked with people after having been selected, but I'd rather they go for the sure thing than gamble on a hit. Because sometimes you'll miss. I mean Incineroar would be out of sight and out of mind by now if he wasn't included.

And it's all ironic because if there's any series that doesn't need promotion, it's Pokemon.

I think I might prefer it if they included a past gen fan favourite mon that missed the boat next time, if we have to get another pokemon character again.
(Wouldn't mind the same for Fire Emblem, really...)

Heck even the Pokemon anime did it this time by finally giving Ash fan favourite past mons he missed out on like a Dragonite, Gengar and soon to be Lucario in the latest series...

Might be a refreshing shake up from the usual status quo I think...

 

[Guynamednelson]

I don't hate Pokemon but it's hard not to be unenthused about a series that rejects picking its popular, longstanding fan-favourite characters in favour of a character it's going to shove in your face to varying degrees of success for around two or three years before it chucks them on the pile and carries on to the next one.

If Pokemon functioned like a normal series no one would be on about Cinderace, Urshifu and the other one. They'd be talking about Gardevoir and Gengar and Scizor and Blaziken and whatnot, and I'd rather see those kind of additions. Ironically being generally popular Pokemon has landed them a more perennial even if less intense place in promotion than the fleeting current flavours. You could pick the consistent b-lister or the character having their fifteen minutes of fame on the a-list.

Greninja was lucky to have clicked with people after having been selected, but I'd rather they go for the sure thing than gamble on a hit. Because sometimes you'll miss. I mean Incineroar would be out of sight and out of mind by now if he wasn't included.

And it's all ironic because if there's any series that doesn't need promotion, it's Pokemon.

I might even give up on "no stfu we can't have too many pokemon because none of them are eevee and you still want 20 more mario/fe reps" if we get Greninjaroar 3.0, because why bother hoping for your preferences to be catered to newcomer-wise if Sakurai clearly only wants to focus on whatever new starter's the most human?

 

[chocolatejr9]

Schrodinger's Cat.

Nia is a cat-girl from XC2,

It's a joke.

Why would you spoil that? Chuggaconroy just started his Let's Play!

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Why would you spoil that? Chuggaconroy just started his Let's Play!

Um...She's a Gormott. They're cat people. They appear in the first major area. What's there to spoil?

Inb4 it's a joke.

 

[PLATINUM7]

I never understood this example because 1, it's impossible to be both alive and dead, and 2, if a creature is put in a situation in which death is a certainty, it's chances of surviving don't increase just because nobody knows about it.

Until a state is observed in quantum physics, it exists as a superposition of the possible outcomes. Until the cat is observed, the mathematical function describing it would show it is both alive and dead. Once you open the box, the function collapses and the cat is only alive or dead.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

tgs in 3 days
PSO2 NG stream
smash update within 2 weeks

Yup in thinking he's in

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Why would you spoil that? Chuggaconroy just started his Let's Play!

She's on the boxart.

LMAO.

 

[Deleted member]

How would all of you react?

 

[cashregister9]

How would all of you react?
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Kiryu, Crash, Phoenix

I'd be very satisfied with this although I don't see Terrarian & Steve being in the same pass though, I would just be confused if that happened

 

[Deleted member]

I'd be very satisfied with this although I don't see Terrarian & Steve being in the same pass though, I would just be confused if that happened

Minecraft and Terraria are quite different.

Terraria is a Metroidvania, while Minecraft is a sandbox type game.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Is this a challenge? I fight your argument with one lazily put together Simpsons post!

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Countertpoint:

 

[cashregister9]

Minecraft and Terraria are quite different.

Terraria is a Metroidvania, while Minecraft is a sandbox type game.

I know i've played both

They both fill a similar niche in different ways but that in turn gives them similar vibes that's all

 

[Deleted member]

I know i've played both

They both fill a similar niche in different ways but that in turn gives them similar vibes that's all

I don't even know if Terraria is a Metroidvania.

It is quite different to Minecraft though.

"2D Minecraft" is a joke in the Terraria community, and Terraria's splash screen can say "Play Minecraft!", so I see your point.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

How would all of you react?
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Satisfied. Its got Phoenix Wright and Crash.

 

[zacian]

Random thought: if the arms dlc spirit board used some of the arms spirits that were already in the game, can’t they not just do that with SWSH spirits they added before with a gen 8 Pokémon

 

[Glaciacott]

Hyped to see we may actually be approaching news. I'm placing my bets:

• if 3rd party, I bet on Crash. No real reason, it just seems like Crash is suddenly everywhere these days from various imminent games and influencer attention as a result. Crash in Smash would be a cherry on top.
• if 1st party, my bet is on Octolings. Early 2017 gave us Arms, and that was shortly followed by Splatoon 2 and Octo expansion a year later. It's somewhat slept on but I think the time is nigh for this one.

How would all of you react?
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It has Min Min, easy 10/10 pass

 

[Deleted member]

• if 1st party, my bet is on Octolings. Early 2017 gave us Arms, and that was shortly followed by Splatoon 2 and Octo expansion a year later. It's somewhat slept on but I think the time is nigh for this one.

If we get the Octolings, then they aren't going to be echo-fighters. My thing is both of these passes have demonstrated that each character brings something new to the table, and that includes move-set. We are not getting echo-fighters in this Fighters Pass.