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You know, something I notice with Smash speculation is that anytime anything happens related to any particular candidate, there's never an in between of "this might help a character...are there any other indications that a character could happen?" It seems to end in, "IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, LET'S MOVE ON"
Like, I'm not going to say that No More Heroes 1 being re-released for Switch means Travis is in, but it can't hurt Travis.
Just seems kinda boring to look at new information and immediately dismiss it as nothing. What, is everybody afraid to be wrong about a prediction?
In my opinion I think out of Gen 8, I think that the most iterating fighters could be Zacian a legendary Pokémon and Sir’Fetched due to Zacian being a 4 legged sword user and Sir’Fetched being a short and probably quick long ranged lance user.
You know, something I notice with Smash speculation is that anytime anything happens related to any particular candidate, there's never an in between of "this might help a character...are there any other indications that a character could happen?" It seems to end in, "IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, LET'S MOVE ON"
Like, I'm not going to say that No More Heroes 1 being re-released for Switch means Travis is in, but it can't hurt Travis.
Just seems kinda boring to look at new information and immediately dismiss it as nothing. What, is everybody afraid to be wrong about a prediction?
You know, something I notice with Smash speculation is that anytime anything happens related to any particular candidate, there's never an in between of "this might help a character...are there any other indications that a character could happen?" It seems to end in, "IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, LET'S MOVE ON"
Like, I'm not going to say that No More Heroes 1 being re-released for Switch means Travis is in, but it can't hurt Travis.
Just seems kinda boring to look at new information and immediately dismiss it as nothing. What, is everybody afraid to be wrong about a prediction?
I think it's because we lack concrete information, so anything coincidental is Schrodinger's Speculation; we can't know if it means anything until the characters are revealed. I don't think people should shut down discussion and tell people to move on, but you also don't want discussion to end up like the Geno thread where a Gamestop flub ISN'T dismissed as nothing.
You know, something I notice with Smash speculation is that anytime anything happens related to any particular candidate, there's never an in between of "this might help a character...are there any other indications that a character could happen?" It seems to end in, "IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING, LET'S MOVE ON"
Like, I'm not going to say that No More Heroes 1 being re-released for Switch means Travis is in, but it can't hurt Travis.
Just seems kinda boring to look at new information and immediately dismiss it as nothing. What, is everybody afraid to be wrong about a prediction?
I think its more that there's been almost 2 years of people taking inconsequential things like "X is getting a port/remake/re-release to Switch" and thinking its some sort of sign. Look at just about every Nintendo Direct since Smash's release; people spam the livechat with "X for Smash!!" "Where's the Smash news??" "!!! Paper mario was shown to advertise a new Paper Mario game; does this mean Paper Mario is coming to smash?!?!"
It's true that news of re-releases/remakes certainly don't hurt a characters' chances, but people are just freakin tired of fans taking a single grain of salt and blowing it up into the inevitable 'Proof!!!' of a Character being in Smash.
That's why people just disregard it and say move on.
Look at it another way, our first Fighter's Pass had Joker, Banjo, Terry, Hero, and Byleth. Joker, Terry, and Banjo had nothing on switch and nothing coming to switch (we're only just now getting word of P5 Scramble for an eventual port) and Byleth already had their game released awhile back. There were no signs for any of them; nothing promotional either (since again, nothing has been announced or released anywhere near their respective drop dates). Same with MinMin; nothing new has been announced for ARMs and the game itself is so old (relatively speaking) at this point that it obviously wasn't done to really promote anything specifically. it was merely just them going 'Hey, ARMS would be cool'.
People kind of look at that and go, 'You know, there really hasn't been anything hint wise for any of these. Maybe we've been reading into things too much'. Hero was the only one who was getting his game ported over and 1/6 is just coincidence at this point. Things could change, but its a fair assumption at this point that just because there's a remake/re-release/port/sequel announcement, it doesn't really mean anything for Smash at all. Hence its better to just move on and wait for something more significant than raise the hype alarm over nothing. That and it gets annoying seeing people go wild with speculation with minor announcements.
I don't know that I agree. Sure, we had evidence of Hero coming in the form of "Brave" and leakers, but the fact that Dragon Quest XIS was being pushed so hard, at least to me, suggested pretty clear what was happening.
Then, with Banjo, the collaborations between Microsoft had people thinking Banjo could have a shot.
But really, that's not my point. If we aren't considering possibilities then like...what the hell is the point in posting here? Just to say who we want and then get salty when somebody else says they don't want it?
I get the vibe that people won't discuss such information as any indication because they don't want to be "wrong" about their prediction.
As the dude who stanned Resident Evil (known as Biohazard in Japan) for months, I know what it feels like. But I don't really care anymore. People are more afraid of being wrong than the potentially interesting conversations we could have.
Really, you want to talk about things "literally meaning nothing", we have folks who cling to any or all leaks or suspect that chair colors indicate future characters but won't touch game releases/official material with a ten foot pole. That seems to be the opposite of what should be happening imho.
I love this question. Most of my picks will be from Gen 1 so. I'd add the following:
1. Blastoise. He is my favorite starter of all time and almost got in before Charizard did according to Sakurai. Ultimately he went with Squirtle though.
2. Nidoking. This would be so badass. His design is just too cool to me. I'd enjoy seeing what they could do with a Poison/Ground type.
3. Hitmonchan/Hitmonlee/Hitmontop. Any of these would be awesome imo. Could have so many different types of punches or kicks.
4. Machamp. I think he would've been way cooler than Incineroar, while keeping a lot of the same moves. Wish we could get away from the same Fire, Water, starters being added each time, but GRASS on the other hand... We can use some more of those, which leads me to my next pick..
5. Decidueye. This one was an obvious addition to me. The fact hat he got looked over is a real shame. I'd have him and Incineroar Switch places any day. I don't hate Incineroar especially after playing him, but how bad ass would it have been to get a Grass/Ghost type?! O.o
6. Some honorable mentions include: Sceptile, Scizzor, Zoroark, Hawlucha, Rillaboom, Urshifu, Swampert, Electabuzz, Gengar, and Meowth.
I don't know that I agree. Sure, we had evidence of Hero coming in the form of "Brave" and leakers, but the fact that Dragon Quest XIS was being pushed so hard, at least to me, suggested pretty clear what was happening.
Then, with Banjo, the collaborations between Microsoft had people thinking Banjo could have a shot.
But really, that's not my point. If we aren't considering possibilities then like...what the hell is the point in posting here? Just to say who we want and then get salty when somebody else says they don't want it?
I get the vibe that people won't discuss such information as any indication because they don't want to be "wrong" about their prediction.
As the dude who stanned Resident Evil (known as Biohazard in Japan) for months, I know what it feels like. But I don't really care anymore. People are more afraid of being wrong than the potentially interesting conversations we could have.
Really, you want to talk about things "literally meaning nothing", we have folks who cling to any or all leaks or suspect that chair colors indicate future characters but won't touch game releases/official material with a ten foot pole. That seems to be the opposite of what should be happening imho.
Dude, finding things within the code like with 'brave' is way different than taking a game release as a sign. The Brave thing and its affiliation with hero was a literal leak. Thats why it was discussed.
As for the friendliness between rival companies, I honestly just think that Sakurai just used that to his advantage to ask for Banjo; its not like the collaboration between the two of them was specifically for Smash. So I'd just call that a coincidence more than a sign.
Again, its not that people can't discuss things or are afraid to be wrong here, its that people are tired of the discussion being 'I saw a commercial for Xenoblade yesterday, KOS-MOS is definitely in Smash guys!!' And other ridiculous off-the-wall speculations based on NOTHING. If you remember the Chairs Theory, then you also remember that people immediately bashed that theory has idiotic as well. Just about everything with 'theory' at the end of it was mocked mercilessly for people looking into things way too much.
Someone has real news or rumors to contribute? Great, we're all happy to discuss and speculate on that! But trivial BS like Nintendo's 3rd quarter earnings report from 1995 is not evidence towards anything and to think we should really be debating meaningless things like a game's release simply to keep things lively in here is just plain dumb.
1-Inteleon, I just think they're neat
2-Dragapult. A completely unique play style would come from it
3-Grovyle, A dedicated Pokemon Mystery Dungeon rep could be pretty cool
4-Buzzwole, A buff bug lad could be one of the more interesting Pokemon
5-Toxtricity, The Poison and Electric typing is super unique and would be unique for Smash
Recency Bias aside some more honorable mentions: Cinderace, Rillaboom, Lopunny, Hatterene, Nidoqueen, Aggron, Urshifu,
Look at it another way, our first Fighter's Pass had Joker, Banjo, Terry, Hero, and Byleth. Joker, Terry, and Banjo had nothing on switch and nothing coming to switch (we're only just now getting word of P5 Scramble for an eventual port) and Byleth already had their game released awhile back. There were no signs for any of them; nothing promotional either (since again, nothing has been announced or released anywhere near their respective drop dates). Same with MinMin; nothing new has been announced for ARMs and the game itself is so old (relatively speaking) at this point that it obviously wasn't done to really promote anything specifically. it was merely just them going 'Hey, ARMS would be cool'.
People kind of look at that and go, 'You know, there really hasn't been anything hint wise for any of these. Maybe we've been reading into things too much'. Hero was the only one who was getting his game ported over and 1/6 is just coincidence at this point. Things could change, but its a fair assumption at this point that just because there's a remake/re-release/port/sequel announcement, it doesn't really mean anything for Smash at all. Hence its better to just move on and wait for something more significant than raise the hype alarm over nothing. That and it gets annoying seeing people go wild with speculation with minor announcements.
Your points would be valid if a few of your facts weren't off. Persona 5 Scrambled IS on the Nintendo Switch right now actually, its just that it has yet to be localized. In fact it was released in February 20, 2020 in Japan. And Terry DOES have a bunch of his games on the switch, they were ports that were added very early on in the switches lifespan (if you don't believe me, look up Fatal Fury on the eshop). You are correct that people need to exercise restraint when a new game is announced and need to stop yelling "X IS TOTALLY COMING TO SMASH NOW". At the same time, the closest thing we have to a pattern right now is that 5 of the 6 DLC characters (not counting piranha plant) have or had games on the switch, and 3 of the last FP's characters had upcoming games when they were chosen (Joker, Hero and Byleth).
You know what, I'm going to practice what I preach and point out a few things about a few characters. Please note that the following information is not meant to be treated as complete indication that a character is totally being added to Smash, but is simply collecting information that could point to their inclusion.
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Travis Touchdown-
- Suda, the creator, is friends with Sakurai and has stated interest in Travis coming to Smash before
- No More Heroes 3 was one of the announcements at TGA, alongside Bravely Default 2, which seemed to stand out
- with No More Heroes 3 on the way, and a listing for No More Heroes 1 for Switch, it implies somewhat of a focus on getting that series onto Switch (there are also potential rumors of NMH2 coming to Switch as well). This suggests potential efforts to make the Switch a "home" of the series as well.
If nothing else, Travis' chances have never been better, considering the last time his series was especially relevant was during the Wii generation when his first two games released. This, again, doesn't mean "he's in!" but it's the best situation he has found himself in.
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Dante-
- Itsuno, designer working with Devil May Cry, is interviewed about Dante potentially being in Smash. To this he suggests that Dante shouldn't be in Smash unless he appears on Nintendo consoles. Shortly after (within 1-2 months iirc) DMC1 was announced for Switch and the series was subsequently added up to Devil May Cry 3. The timing here is suspect, considering this would roughly be around the time at which Volume 2 would begin to be decided.
- Devil May Cry 3 is a special edition, adding long awaited features for fans. It's exclusive to Switch, which makes the argument that Switch is "the platform" for this particular title
- While many other series have received Spirit Events shortly after release, Devil May Cry has not. There are many series that have not received a spirit event, but it seems especially odd considering that, again, Devil May Cry 3 is the definitive edition of the game. One would suspect that, of any game with no previous content, if there weren't future plans for the franchise and Smash, there would have been a spirit event. (This is arguably the weakest point, as it based largely on data with spirit events AND added speculation)
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Hank Hill
- King of the Hill is a popular 90's television show, even having a following in Japan.
- Considering the amiibo webpage bug yesterday, I decided to do some investigating, and this is what I found:
Your points would be valid if a few of your facts weren't off. Persona 5 Scrambled IS on the Nintendo Switch right now actually, its just that it has yet to be localized. In fact it was released in February 20, 2020 in Japan. And Terry DOES have a bunch of his games on the switch, they were ports that were added very early on in the switches lifespan (if you don't believe me, look up Fatal Fury on the eshop). You are correct that people need to exercise restraint when a new game is announced and need to stop yelling "X IS TOTALLY COMING TO SMASH NOW". At the same time, the closest thing we have to a pattern right now is that 5 of the 6 DLC characters (not counting piranha plant) have or had games on the switch, and 3 of the last DLC had upcoming games when they were chosen (Joker, Hero and Byleth).
Dude, finding things within the code like with 'brave' is way different than taking a game release as a sign. The Brave thing and its affiliation with hero was a literal leak. Thats why it was discussed.
As for the friendliness between rival companies, I honestly just think that Sakurai just used that to his advantage to ask for Banjo; its not like the collaboration between the two of them was specifically for Smash. So I'd just call that a coincidence more than a sign.
Again, its not that people can't discuss things or are afraid to be wrong here, its that people are tired of the discussion being 'I saw a commercial for Xenoblade yesterday, KOS-MOS is definitely in Smash guys!!' And other ridiculous off-the-wall speculations based on NOTHING. If you remember the Chairs Theory, then you also remember that people immediately bashed that theory has idiotic as well. Just about everything with 'theory' at the end of it was mocked mercilessly for people looking into things way too much.
Someone has real news or rumors to contribute? Great, we're all happy to discuss and speculate on that! But trivial BS like Nintendo's 3rd quarter earnings report from 1995 is not evidence towards anything and to think we should really be debating meaningless things like a game's release simply to keep things lively in here is just plain dumb.
I mean, I think it's clear that coherent arguments are different from a person just claiming a character "is in" because of a game announcement, right? That's clear, and that's also not what I'm talking about.
Also, I pointed out that Hero was largely discussed because of the coding, but that even without out that the overall push of Dragon Quest XIS sent signals that there was potential of that happening. However, if we went with the logic that "that doesn't mean anything!" then that logic would be inherently incorrect.
Isn't it just as bad for somebody to say, "All information is inconsequential" as it is for somebody to say, "X character is confirmed because their game is on Switch?" It's the exact opposite extreme, which is arguably just as bad.
EDIT: I just keep adding to this post. I don't think Microsoft and Nintendo actually see themselves as rival companies either. They aren't competing for the same group of people based on their current strategies/visions for their brand.
No More Heroes seems to be getting the treatment Bayonetta got during the Smash 4 days where all of his games are coming exclusively to Nintendo's platform, difference being that Nintendo is not publishing the games. Despite that difference I think that does make him very likely to appear in Fighter Pass 2 at some point.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying that most characters are chosen with only marketing in mind. I'm saying that I personally believe marketing a game/series is ONE of the factors that are probably discussed when Nintendo are choosing which character to be added. Just wanted to make that clear.
I just doubt Travis just because.
I get bayonetta as well as joker
but...
I just don’t see it.
if anything I think it would just be a spirit event to promote the new game like mana did as well as other series Nintendo would want to promote as a spirit event if they don’t have that said character planned as a fighter
People pick and choose which "hints" shouldn't be ignored, and that's something that I think everyone is guilty of, myself included.
Just recently, we've been discussing Atelier, SMT, Pokken, and No More Heroes. I haven't seen any people who believed all four franchises were suddenly more likely, despite the fact that all four had something that one could argue made a rep more likely.
I mean...occasional maintenance to make sure things are running smoothly or to do minor stability checks and small exploit patches are a very normal occurrence. It doesn't only happen when a content update for a game is coming out.
So, since we got nothing today, should we just do what we normally do and wait and see if Tuesday or Wednesday have something? People are claiming there to be too much smoke for there not to be a fire, but I feel like we've been saying that for awhile now...
1) Mystery Dungeon's Grovyle: my most wanted and what I think is the best possible choice for a new Pokémon rep from every point of view
2) Toxtricity: a gen 8 rep; another choice could be Urshifu
3) Zoroark: maybe he could use his Illusion ability at the beginning of the match, taking on the appearance of another character until he gets hit
4) Gen 2 trainer: while I love Thyplosion, "Chikorita, Quilava and Feraligatr" is possibly the best choice
5) Garchomp: he's just cool; alternatively, another pseudo-legendary pokémon
Honorable mention: Darkrai because he's my favourite pokémon but he's already in the game.
alright mine would be
Grovyle: because PMD deserve a rep and PMD2 is very beautiful and possibly use PMD items too
Diancie: because of moveset potential and rock user
Deoxys: because we dont have a shape shifter fighter with changing status yet
Blue : because its a good clone/echo pick and its the most iconic rival in pokemon franchise : because its the easiest character to make and they already successeded on making him a pokeball
Probably yet again another fan rule that's been broken, in this case anytime NEW is removed, is the implication a character is getting announced soon. I won't be surprised if we have to wait until September at this point.
I agree with Scoliosis. Discussing things such as Travis in Smash because No More Heroes 3 coming exclusively (at least that is what we know) to Switch or the first NMH game being listed on the Switch is okay. Does that mean that people believes he's in just because his first game is being ported to the Switch? Of course not, but as Scoliosis Jones said before, it doesn't hurt his chances.
This applies to all candidates, of course, not only Travis. The point is that, this being speculation, it's okay and it's normal to talk about potential newcomers based on things like games on the Switch, interviews, and more. This doesn't mean we should be posting every 4chan leak that pops up, but we also don't need to go to the opposite direction of that and being like "no, we can't discuss anything of this because it's useless".
Personally I don't care if we're wrong about certain characters and their chances. I could totally see Travis happening because multiple reasons, but if he ends not being part of Pass 2... I'm not gonna lose anything just because I predicted him and failed.
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