Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[MarioRaccoon]

It can be a random video drop on twitter announcing 1 or 2 new games like the rumored Mario 3D Collection or something else.

 

[Schnee117]

Hes Thanos in disguise and half of the smash roster is getting removed for FP3

It happens but the half that gets removed aren't the characters people generally say are on the chopping block.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It happens but the half that gets removed aren't the characters people generally say are on the chopping block.

Finally, Yoshi, Sonic and Pikachu get deleted, I can no longer be tilted at Smash

 

[Cosmic77]

Main reason why I'm not saying a Smash reveal is a lock is because we still have a year and half for the five remaining characters before the December 2021 deadline. The February 2020 deadline they set back in 2018 was pretty close to when we got Byleth, so I think there's a good chance that'll be the case with the second pass as well, especially since the Coronavirus may have caused development to be set back a few weeks.

I'm only expecting one more character this year (or at least only one more to be released), because I definitely can't see them taking all of 2021 to reveal and release three measly characters from the same pass.

 

[Heoj]

Well if it does end up being a direct than i think were guaranteed to see fp7

 

[RileyXY1]

Well if it does end up being a direct than i think were guaranteed to see fp7

With a possible deadline of December 2021, I don't.

 

[Calamitas]

If we really get a Direct around the 20th, I better dig up some reaction memes for that announcement. Anyone know any besides the "It has been 3000 years" one from Pokémon X and Y and the "It has been 80-something years" from Titanic?

Anyway, I frankly can't see them not having at least something relating to Smash in whatever thing they're gonna have next. Keep in mind that these announcements were originally meant for E3, which Smash has pretty much never missed out on while it was still being supported with new content.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Main reason why I'm not saying a Smash reveal is a lock is because we still have a year and half for the five remaining characters before the December 2021 deadline. The February 2020 deadline they set back in 2018 was pretty close to when we got Byleth, so I think there's a good chance that'll be the case with the second pass as well, especially since the Coronavirus may have caused development to be set back a few weeks.

I'm only expecting one more character this year (or at least only one more to be released), because I definitely can't see them taking all of 2021 to reveal and release three measly characters from the same pass.

I am in this camp as well, if are direct is happening in July, then I do believe its entirely possible we don't get a Smash reveal since the rumored date (the 20th) is only 1 month after Min Min and you would think if Challenger Pack 7 would have been revealed, sure a lot can change in a month. But you would think they would maybe at least have a teaser ready.

 

[PLANTMAN]

Tbh I feel like we Could get a fallout spirit event at some point this month

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

The 20th could be a date for the Direct or the day its announced with the presentation proper happening the next day or the 22nd.

 

[Speed Weed]

"Fighter 7 will be... a character who has appeared in a Marvel vs Capcom game! It could be anyone, from Dante to Thanos to even Ryu!"

it's finally time

Spoiler

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I'd love to see Travis Touchdown make into Smash Bros just to see if they make a reference to his tendency to swear. I imagine a scenario where Travis was only allowed in if he kept himself from using profanity.

He hits his shin on a table and
Travis Touchdown: OWWWW! Son of a-
*Travis' head turns red as he stops himself from swearing*
Travis Touchdown: GUN! Son of a gun! Ha! You can't keep me from being number 1 in Super Smash Bros!

 

[Cosmic77]

If we really get a Direct around the 20th, I better dig up some reaction memes for that announcement. Anyone know any besides the "It has been 3000 years" one from Pokémon X and Y and the "It has been 80-something years" from Titanic?

Anyway, I frankly can't see them not having at least something relating to Smash in whatever thing they're gonna have next. Keep in mind that these announcements were originally meant for E3, which Smash has pretty much never missed out on while it was still being supported with new content.

Min Min is part of the reason why I'm not entirely sure if we were ever getting a second reveal at E3.

I'm assuming they had always planned on her being revealed and released around the time of E3. They must have if the March Direct was prepared a while in advance before Corona. No matter what, I'm sure Sakurai and Min Min's presentation trailer would've been separate from the main Direct, so unless Sakurai was presenting Min Min in early June before Nintendo did their own thing at E3, it would've been a little weird to reveal F7 when we still didn't know who the ARMS character was.

Personally, I think the most likely scenario was Nintendo announcing the date of the Min Min presentation in their main Direct and not having any reveals.

 

[I.D.]

wow, some you guys should really cut back a bit on that pessimism.
"It's over. Nintendo has nothing for this year. IF there is a Direct this year (and there probably won't) it will be in September at the absolute earliest."
*Insiders start hinting at a July Direct*
"Well **** YOU it still won't have any Smash news. Expect the next character by 2021!"

 

[Calamitas]

Min Min is part of the reason why I'm not entirely sure if we were ever getting a second reveal at E3.

I'm assuming they had always planned on her being revealed and released around the time of E3. They must have if the March Direct was prepared a while in advance before Corona. No matter what, I'm sure Sakurai and Min Min's presentation trailer would've been separate from the main Direct, so unless Sakurai was presenting Min Min in early June before Nintendo did their own thing at E3, it would've been a little weird to reveal F7 when we still didn't know who the ARMS character was.

Personally, I think the most likely scenario was Nintendo announcing the date of the Min Min presentation in their main Direct and not having any reveals.

You do realize that Sakurai and his team don't just work on one character at a time? Piranha Plant and Banjo & Kazooie had reveal trailers with gameplay literally three months before they actually came out. Even if they show someone off now, doesn't mean they have to be released right away. FP7 (and maybe even FP8) could easily be shown off now(-ish) and then be released over the next couple of months.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Min Min is part of the reason why I'm not entirely sure if we were ever getting a second reveal at E3.

I'm assuming they had always planned on her being revealed and released around the time of E3. They must have if the March Direct was prepared a while in advance before Corona. No matter what, I'm sure Sakurai and Min Min's presentation trailer would've been separate from the main Direct, so unless Sakurai was presenting Min Min in early June before Nintendo did their own thing at E3, it would've been a little weird to reveal F7 when we still didn't know who the ARMS character was.

Personally, I think the most likely scenario was Nintendo announcing the date of the Min Min presentation in their main Direct and not having any reveals.

Hell its entirely possible the initial plan was for Sakurai to give his presentation as part of Tree house live had E3 happened or hell Min Min maybe would have been revealed to be the ARMS rep at E3 and there is a chance that might have been our only Smash reveal had E3 happened.

 

[ZelDan]

I've always felt that we could see FP7 some time around or close to the reveal/release of the ARMS character.

I mean, they ALWAYS have had atleast two character reveals anytime Smash was relevant to E3, so it would stand to reason that development of CP7 has probably started close to CP6, thus probably had some wrok done even before COVID19 hit. ALso, according to Sakurai the development of DLC has been going smoothly and hasn't been disrupted much due to the pandemic, meaning that CP7 is probably far along in development right now, or atleast far enough that having some footage available for a reveal this month is feasible.

So yeah assuming we have a direct this month I could definitely see the next character getting revealed.

 

[Playstation Guy 1000]

and to be fair, the smash dlc team can take 3 characters at a time in development.

 

[3BitSaurus]

I think I literally can't remember the last time we had only one newcomer revealed during an E3. Even if you don't count the reveal trailers for Brawl and Smash 4, there's always been at least two trailers.

Right now, my prediction is a September release for CP7. As for CP8... that depends. could be December 2020 or early 2021, depending on how things go, but I really don't see this year ending with just one character.

 

[Cosmic77]

You do realize that Sakurai and his team don't just work on one character at a time? Piranha Plant and Banjo had reveal trailers with gameplay literally three months before they came out. Even if they show someone off now, doesn't mean they have to be released right away. FP7 (and maybe even FP8) could be shown off and then released over the next couple of months.

Yes, but I'm also being cautious because we have so much time left before the deadline (a year and a half).

Either Nintendo gave Sakurai several more months than he needed (which isn't at all what they did with the first pass) even before the Coronavirus became an issue, or there's something that would cause Sakurai to need almost twice as much time as the first pass, be that a smaller team or complicated characters.

If we continue the pattern the first pass set of releasing a new character every 2-3 months, we'd probably have F11 by the end of next summer at the latest. They gave Sakurai about a year and three months to make five characters. Not sure why adding one more would require nine more months unless they know there's something that'll make them require more time.

 

[SNEKeater]

Smash reveal for the next Direct? I think it's likely. Who will be FP7? I don't know, but I'm guessing the reveal will happen at the beginning or the end if the character is a decently requested pick among the community, a popular character or from a big series.

I know that's pretty obvious lol but I had the need of saying this.

As for game announcements, Really hoping for No More Heroes 3 footage (or maybe NMH 1+2 ports) and something about Metroid. Not expecting Breath of the Wild 2 to appear, honestly.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Tbh I feel like we Could get a fallout spirit event at some point this month

Yes! And all of the Spirits are different Vault Boy bobble heads

 

[Rie Sonomura]

please... Undertale Spirit Event... im BEGGING you spirit team

 

[SnowClaws]

HERE COMES A NEW CHALLENGER!!!
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If Microsoft acquires WB Games, then Maxwell (Scribblenauts), Mortal Kombat, and other WB IP character(s) would be a Microsoft IP character(s). Even more possible Microsoft contenders for Smash.

I am looking forward to Mortal Kombat vs. Killer Instinct.

UPDATE/CORRECTION:

Put together a quick thread (bit messy) on the news that AT&T is looking to sell the games division of Warner Bros

Key thing here is that the buyer would be acquiring talent, not so much the IP. There may be licensing deals for those IP, but that's not guaranteed at all - https://t.co/7sVl9DTtkN

— Daniel Ahmad (@ZhugeEX) July 6, 2020

Basically, whoever acquires WB Games may not get any IP at all. Just their workforce and the right to develop some of their games.

Unfortunately, in terms of Smash, the WB character could be in their own category instead of being associated with whoever brought them (if AT&T is actually selling WB Games). The good or bad news is that someone could makes a better negotiation or offer for the WB IP(s) within the WB Games purchase, and in a way, some IP could be transferred to the buyer while the other IP remains with AT&T.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Wait, is WB Games going bankrupt or something?

 

[Calamitas]

Yes, but I'm also being cautious because we have so much time left before the deadline (a year and a half).

Either Nintendo gave Sakurai several more months than he needed (which isn't at all what they did with the first pass) even before the Coronavirus became an issue, or there's something that would cause Sakurai to need almost twice as much time as the first pass, be that a smaller team or complicated characters.

If we continue the pattern the first pass set of releasing a new character every 2-3 months, we'd probably have F11 by the end of next summer at the latest. They gave Sakurai about a year and three months to make five characters. Not sure why adding one more would require nine more months unless they know there's something that'll make them require more time.

Just because they have a deadline doesn't mean that they're really gonna need all that time. The first pass also finished a month earlier than what was mentioned.

 

[PLANTMAN]

Yes! And all of the Spirits are different Vault Boy bobble heads

you may be on to Something here

why didn’t I think of that

 

[Playstation Guy 1000]

so uh, what new spirit event are we going to get today.

 

[Perkilator]

so uh, what new spirit event are we going to get today.

You’re right. It’s been about two and a half men months since the Trials of Mana Spirit Event.

 

[Cosmic77]

Just because they have a deadline doesn't mean that they're really gonna need all that time. The first pass also finished a month earlier than what was mentioned.

The sheer amount of leftover time is why I'm not joining the, "Yes, F7 is absolutely getting revealed in this month's potential Direct" crew.

Starting at Joker and stopping at Byleth, each character was spaced out roughly 1-3 months apart. The gap between Joker and Hero was the longest (over three months), while the gap between Hero and Banjo was the shortest (barely over a month). If we start at Min Min and use the average amount of time between characters in the first pass for F7 onward, we'd probably be getting F11 around this time next year. That's an incredibly generous amount of leftover development time Sakurai didn't need.

I'm sure we'll at least get two characters revealed and released this year, but I'm not expecting characters to be released at the same rate as the first pass. Either we'll get a long gap between two fighters at some point, or all fighters will have a slightly longer gap between one another compared to the first. I think there's a decent chance Sakurai could have a smaller budget and a smaller team with this pass, which would explain why there's so much extra time.

 

[Calamitas]

please... Undertale Spirit Event... im BEGGING you spirit team

Despite everything, it's still no Undertale Spirit event.

 

[Icedragonadam]

I'm going to predict this week's event to be the Smash 4 newcomer tourney with the Paper Mario: Origami King event being next week.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I'm going to predict this week's event to be the Smash 4 newcomer tourney with the Paper Mario: Origami King event being next week.

Didn’t we JUST get a newcomer tourney tho?

 

[ChunkySlugger72]

I still wouldn't mind Microsoft acquiring "Netherealm Studios" if for whatever weird reason AT&T/Warner Bros decided to still hold on to the "Mortal Kombat" IP.

Microsoft can have them handle the "Killer Instinct" franchise and while it would suck for MK losing it's dedicated developer, I was always a bigger fan of Killer Instinct as it's my favorite "Traditional" fighting game and only 2nd to Super Smash Bros in fighters overall.

"Mortal Kombat X Killer Instinct" would be really freaking cool though.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Personally, I hope either AT&T doesn't sell WB interactive or someone outside of the industry buys them, I can see a lot of IP's dying and jobs being lost as a result of a sale to another major publisher.

 

[I.D.]

Seriously, I think it's just boneheaded to not expect any Smash news in a Direct at this point, considering that since Ultimate's announcement EVERY single Direct has had Smash news, even the February 2019 Direct showed Joker's model, told us he would drop with the version 3.0 update in April and announced new amiibos.

Nintendo knows there are some people out there who watch Directs for Smash news. They get an extra amount of views just because of the certainty of Smash announcements (not saying a massive amount, just an extra). They even threw the ARMS guessing game in the mini Direct so smash fans wouldn't leave empty-handed!

 

[SKX31]

Wait, is WB Games going bankrupt or something?

No, WB Games is AFAIK doing pretty well. Instead, it appears as though AT&T has some nasty debt on its hands (around $160 Billion in debt after acquiring Time Warner for ca $100 Billion). And the WB Games division is apparently considered "non-core" to AT&T's investors. Part of the $4 Billion price might be the distribution network (WB distributes CDPR's games in North America - including Cyberpunk 2077). No deal is assured or imminent: the division could still wind up remaining at its old post. Still, the fact that AT&T is shopping around is telling that they're trying to find a buyer.

As Zhuge pointed out, several IPs (rights to Batman / LEGO games etc.) would probably stay with AT&T / Time Warner, and in a post-deal scenario they could (depending on how any deal pans out) be "licensed out" to the buyer a la how EA gets its sport licenses. Mortal Kombat would probably go to the buyer along with Netherrealm, and Scribblenauts would likewise follow WB Games to the buyer.

 

[3BitSaurus]

No, WB Games is AFAIK doing pretty well. Instead, it appears as though AT&T has some nasty debt on its hands (around $160 Billion in debt after acquiring Time Warner for ca $100 Billion). And the WB Games division is apparently considered "non-core" to AT&T's investors. Part of the $4 Billion price might be the distribution network (WB distributes CDPR's games in North America - including Cyberpunk 2077). No deal is assured or imminent: the division could still wind up remaining at its old post. Still, the fact that AT&T is shopping around is telling that they're trying to find a buyer.

As Zhuge pointed out, several IPs (rights to Batman / LEGO games etc.) would probably stay with AT&T / Time Warner, and in a post-deal scenario they could (depending on how any deal pans out) be "licensed out" to the buyer a la how EA gets its sport licenses. Mortal Kombat would probably go to the buyer along with Netherrealm, and Scribblenauts would likewise follow WB Games to the buyer.

So basically... on one hand, this could mean MK and DC crossovers could still happen, while also making it easier for other negotiations to occur with WB Games depending on who the buyer is? Interesting.

 

[MooMew64]

TBH all I can think of about this whole "insiders say a Direct is coming" shenanigans is this:

Not saying it can't happen, but I would exercise caution and hype responsibly. We went through this "Direct for sure this month!" song and dance earlier this year, too.

 

[CannonStreak]

UPDATE/CORRECTION:

Put together a quick thread (bit messy) on the news that AT&T is looking to sell the games division of Warner Bros

Key thing here is that the buyer would be acquiring talent, not so much the IP. There may be licensing deals for those IP, but that's not guaranteed at all - https://t.co/7sVl9DTtkN

— Daniel Ahmad (@ZhugeEX) July 6, 2020

Basically, whoever acquires WB Games may not get any IP at all. Just their workforce and the right to develop some of their games.

Unfortunately, in terms of Smash, the WB character could be in their own category instead of being associated with whoever brought them (if AT&T is actually selling WB Games). The good or bad news is that someone could makes a better negotiation or offer for the WB IP(s) within the WB Games purchase, and in a way, some IP could be transferred to the buyer while the other IP remains with AT&T.

Well, I am not really opposed this, but what will happen to the Injustice games if Warner Brothers Games gets sold?