Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Nekoo]

One of the projects Skye is apparently working on is "Where is Anne Frank".

I hate that my brain first reaction to this was 10 jokes that would get me banned from this website.
Internet do weird things to you.

 

[Diddy Kong]

We can't think of a name cause we don't know **** about BotW2. And it's about time the game gets a second trailer or so.

 

[SpectreJordan]

You know, on the topic of bosses, what two bosses do you wanna see if we get two more? My picks are Porky and Grima (the latter has you fighte Fell Robin on dragon Grima's back).

Porky, Kraid, Gruntilda, Dr Eggman & Akuma would all be awesome. Especially if Akuma is a secret fight like in SF2.

 

[CosmicQuark]

It’s disappointing Eggman and Dr. Wily aren’t bosses. Would have worked really well on the third party side, base game wise. DLC wise, Gruntilda would have made a great boss, as I always loved her fight compared with Bowser in 64 (could have done an interesting thing with Spiral Mountain’s 2D/3D mechanic, hitting her butt when she’s in the plane of the fighters). And her Final Battle theme wouldn’t have been inexplicably missing. Can’t really think of any other first party bosses I would like included, except Porky is a glaring omission. Was a very memorable boss in Brawl. But the third party omissions are likely due to high licensing costs, so I understand why.

 

[Geno Boost]

Let’s be honest the best DLC represented so far was Terry I am hoping for another DLC being represented perfectly as Terry was.
And what I mean by “perfectly” is representing entire company’s history much as possible.
Joker and Banjo and hero had the potential to represent rareware and Altus and Enix history but they didn’t bring anything.

 

[SpectreJordan]

Let’s be honest the best DLC represented so far was Terry I am hoping for another DLC being represented perfectly as Terry was.
And what I mean by “perfectly” is representing entire company’s history much as possible.

He’s probably not happening but I think Doom Slayer would have a good chance at doing this. Doom: Eternal is full of love for both the entire Doom series & iD’s other games. I’d have loved to see that in Smash.

 

[Goombaic]

Shovel Knight's cool. Assist trophy's good enough for him in my opinion but he can still bring plenty of content.

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

Welp, I've laid out my prediction for this pass. Mainly based around promoting characters in some way, though a couple stick out like Byleth did.

1. Min Min-We know this already. Not much more to say. Moving on.
2. Reimu Hakurei-Would have been the opener had COVID not shoved everything back. Since Japan's beginning to get everything back under control, CP7 would be the most logical choice for her. Represents indie games, as well as being absolutely massive in Japan.
3. Rex-The other "Darnit, too late" character after an ARMS rep, and unlike them, he's explicitly the protagonist, and not just the guy on the box. He'd come fairly soon, as to ride the XCDE hype train while he still can. Chances are he'll be revealed alongside Reimu.
4. Rayman-An Ubisoft rep, one of the most popular third-party Spirits, and a consistent collectible. He'd be revealed in the middle, as a Banjo-esque Western hype bringer.
5. Bandana Waddle Dee-Aside from being a Spirit, he's also a promoted enemy character, as well as a rep for a fairly underrepresented series. He'd be like Byleth is that he'd be pushing a new Kirby game, but would be revealed about half a year later, after everyone knows about it.
6. Lloyd Irving-Because we need a Bamco rep eventually. Placed at the end to subvert the tendency of "low notes" at the end, as well as because I couldn't find any potential reason to place him anywhere else.

I'd go more in-depth with them, but I guess I'm just not in the mood.

With the exception of Reimu, im pretty sold on this Pass.

 

[toonito]

Especially if Akuma is a secret fight like in SF2.

For 's Classic Mode from 0.0-9.8 the boss should be M. Bison; 9.9 starts with Akuma's Raging Demon on M. Bison then you fight Akuma instead.

Classic Mode/Boss Rush with more enemies from each character's home series is probably my most wanted mode for Ultimate.

EDIT: IMO using Min Min as an example the most likely 1st parties for FP2 are a Xenoblade and Gen 8 rep. Xenoblade because Sakurai lamented both ARMS and XC2 not making it in time; he relented with ARMS so time will tell if Xenoblade gets a 2nd chance. Sakurai may swerve us by not having it be Rex & Pyra.

Based on Min Min bringing preexisting spirits to her Spirit Board Galar may get in this way as well. I don't think either are a lock but these are the 2 franchises to look out for via Nintendo reps in FP2.

I look forward to being wrong lol

 

[7NATOR]

I do gotta ask

do you guys think there will be a character in FP2 that good amount of people dislike, like with Byleth. Min-Min, while not the most hype character, certainly isn't hated much, and is pretty cool for people. however there is a trend of the Ending of the pass not being as good as the beginning

there was a topic on Gamefaqs that talked about this, so I'm wondering how you guys feel about this too. How much Relatively worse can the pass get for people going from Min-Min

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I do gotta ask

do you guys think there will be a character in FP2 that good amount of people dislike, like with Byleth. Min-Min, while not the most hype character, certainly isn't hated much, and is pretty cool for people. however there is a trend of the Ending of the pass not being as good as the beginning

there was a topic on Gamefaqs that talked about this, so I'm wondering how you guys feel about this too. How much Relatively worse can the pass get for people going from Min-Min

I could see a Gen 8 Pokémon getting a lot of flack and maybe, Waluigi or Geno if they were to get in.

I don’t know though, honestly. The main problem with Byleth is people’s random obsession with hating anything Fire Emblem in Smash so if ANOTHER Fire Emblem character got in this pass? Woof.

 

[Deleted member]

I do gotta ask

do you guys think there will be a character in FP2 that good amount of people dislike, like with Byleth. Min-Min, while not the most hype character, certainly isn't hated much, and is pretty cool for people. however there is a trend of the Ending of the pass not being as good as the beginning

there was a topic on Gamefaqs that talked about this, so I'm wondering how you guys feel about this too. How much Relatively worse can the pass get for people going from Min-Min

I don't believe they'd end Vol 2 with another Pokemon, but I can already tell you there will probably be a great amount of people that find a Gen 8 Pokemon underwhelming and disappointing. Would they be even more divisive than Byleth is a question that can only be answered when they reveal what Pokemon gets chosen.

 

[Cosmic77]

I do gotta ask

do you guys think there will be a character in FP2 that good amount of people dislike, like with Byleth. Min-Min, while not the most hype character, certainly isn't hated much, and is pretty cool for people. however there is a trend of the Ending of the pass not being as good as the beginning

there was a topic on Gamefaqs that talked about this, so I'm wondering how you guys feel about this too. How much Relatively worse can the pass get for people going from Min-Min

I'd guess and say the next three characters will probably be most exciting for a majority of fans. I do think they'll likely save the least exciting for last if history repeats itself. I don't think there's ever been a time when Smash ended with someone who was almost universally loved.

As for how hated that character will be, well, we'll just have to wait and see. Byleth set the bar pretty low though, so I struggle to picture someone getting a worse reaction than him.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Waluigi

I think he'd be more like Hero or Terry: ****storms around this community and places like r/smashbros, but the Sakurai Presentation still gets over 90% likes.

 

[Shroob]

I'd guess and say the next three characters will probably be most exciting for a majority of fans. I do think they'll likely save the least exciting for last if history repeats itself. I don't think there's ever been a time when Smash ended with someone who was almost universally loved.

As for how hated that character will be, well, we'll just have to wait and see. Byleth set the bar pretty low though, so I struggle to picture someone getting a worse reaction than him.

Your imagination holds you back.

Another Fire Emblem character
A Gen 8 Pokemon to the Smash fanbase in particular
Phone-game rep(Fate/Dragalia Lost/etc)
A Mario character who isn't Waluigi/Geno/Toad/Paper Mario
Another Link

Etc

 

[zeldasmash]

Let’s be honest the best DLC represented so far was Terry I am hoping for another DLC being represented perfectly as Terry was.
And what I mean by “perfectly” is representing entire company’s history much as possible.
Joker and Banjo and hero had the potential to represent rareware and Altus and Enix history but they didn’t bring anything.

Yeah, I agree that Terry is the best represented DLC character by far. If I have to mention a franchise or company that they could add that can be similar to how they represented Terry....it probably would be with Arc System Works if they add someone like Sol Badguy. Guilty Gear and BlazBlue are damn near inseparable and they both are Arc System Works main cash cows (aside from FighterZ) and BlazBlue being the spiritual successor to Guilty Gear. They are also known for their music, which they can easily include a few BlazBlue tunes if Guilty Gear were to make it. There are even hints that they take place in the same universe.

I think Sol Badguy or even Ragna could bring a lot of content from Arc System Works due to the lots of connections between the two franchises. Heck with BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle, they could even squeeze in Under-Night content.

 

[Garteam]

I'm pretty sure we're gonna get a Smash Ultimate DX version for whatever comes after the Switch honestly. Expect new modes there. Not for Ultimate.

I was thinking about this earlier today actually. Between Sakurai's interviews about how Ultimate seems impossible to top, FP2 ending around the time R&D will be beginning on the Switch's successor, and how the Switch's best selling game is a deluxe port, everything seems to line up a little too nicely.

And I mean, hey, I certainly wouldn't complain. Extending the fun of Ultimate for another console generation is no issue for me. Throw in characters that seem to be ineligible for FP2 like Spring Man, Jill, and Heihachi and I'll gladly drop another $80.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Your imagination holds you back.

Another Fire Emblem character
A Gen 8 Pokemon to the Smash fanbase in particular
Phone-game rep(Fate/Dragalia Lost/etc)
A Mario character who isn't Waluigi/Geno/Toad/Paper Mario
Another Link

Etc

Who would hate another Link? Especially if it's Ocarina of Time Adult Link?

 

[Cosmic77]

Should we get a Gen 8 Pokemon, I think the response will largely depend on which Pokemon Sakurai chooses.

If it's someone like Cinderace or Urshifu, then I could see a lot of people getting upset that "the obvious shill pick" got in. If it's someone a little different from what we've been getting, then I think the response will be a fair bit better.

 

[Shroob]

Who would hate another Link? Especially if it's Ocarina of Time Adult Link?

People already complain about both there being:

A: Too many Links

and

B: No non-Triforce users


Imagine the backlash we'd get if they pulled another ARMs scenario of "We're adding a new Zelda character!".... and it's just Link. Again. 4 Links.

 

[-crump-]

I do gotta ask

do you guys think there will be a character in FP2 that good amount of people dislike, like with Byleth. Min-Min, while not the most hype character, certainly isn't hated much, and is pretty cool for people. however there is a trend of the Ending of the pass not being as good as the beginning

there was a topic on Gamefaqs that talked about this, so I'm wondering how you guys feel about this too. How much Relatively worse can the pass get for people going from Min-Min

Tempted to say a Gen 8 Pokémon, but I feel like Pokémon’s massive fanbase would be enough to overshadow most of the negative feedback. If there was any backlash, the onslaught of “hoes mad” would push them underground.

Byleth was kind of a special kind of storm. An 8th FE character was the worst case scenario for a lot of people, to the point where “another ****ing Fire Emblem character” was a meme every time newcomers were brought up. Then it actually happened. Right at the tail end of a Season Pass filled with 3rd party favorites, after being hyped up as Sakurai’s best kept secret.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Should we get a Gen 8 Pokemon, I think the response will largely depend on which Pokemon Sakurai chooses.

If it's someone like Cinderace or Urshifu, then I could see a lot of people getting upset that "the obvious shill pick" got in. If it's someone a little different from what we've been getting, then I think the response will be a fair bit better.

I don’t think it matters honestly because people don’t hate Byleth for those reasons they hate him because he’s Fire Emblem. No matter who it was from Fire Emblem they would’ve gotten hate. Same with Pokémon I feel. It’s Pokémon who already has, what, 10 characters? People will be annoyed no matter what Pokémon.

 

[7NATOR]

People already complain about both there being:

A: Too many Links

and

B: No non-Triforce users


Imagine the backlash we'd get if they pulled another ARMs scenario of "We're adding a new Zelda character!".... and it's just Link. Again. 4 Links.

Honestly not just Link, imagine if it was another Zelda. I think these scenraios please no one, not even the Zelda Community, since alot of them want someone that's not apart of the trio

 

[SKX31]

I do gotta ask

do you guys think there will be a character in FP2 that good amount of people dislike, like with Byleth. Min-Min, while not the most hype character, certainly isn't hated much, and is pretty cool for people. however there is a trend of the Ending of the pass not being as good as the beginning

there was a topic on Gamefaqs that talked about this, so I'm wondering how you guys feel about this too. How much Relatively worse can the pass get for people going from Min-Min

I could see a hypotheoretical CoD character getting a lot of flak for "stealing Crash's spot" as well as the series' general reputation to outsiders not having improved since the Advanced / Infinite War days.

EA could be a massive can of worms, and they would be the most contentious third party possible IMHO. IIRC EA doesn't have a large presence in Japan either, which just adds to the potential firestorm. Any potential flak from Konami's involvement was neutered by Snake headlining "Everyone is here!" but EA would not have any such luxury. There are a few characters that could soothe the reception somewhat, but none of EA's characters would be immune.

As far as first party, yeah I'm agreeing with the overall consensus. But a Mario character that isn't Waluigi / Geno would draw a lot of flak. Extra so if the character's new and / or promotional.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I do gotta ask

do you guys think there will be a character in FP2 that good amount of people dislike, like with Byleth. Min-Min, while not the most hype character, certainly isn't hated much, and is pretty cool for people. however there is a trend of the Ending of the pass not being as good as the beginning

there was a topic on Gamefaqs that talked about this, so I'm wondering how you guys feel about this too. How much Relatively worse can the pass get for people going from Min-Min

Watch FP11 be yet again another Fire Emblem character.

 

[Cosmic77]

Byleth was kind of a special kind of storm. An 8th FE character was the worst case scenario for a lot of people, to the point where “another ****ing Fire Emblem character” was a meme every time newcomers were brought up. Then it actually happened. Right at the tail end of a Season Pass filled with 3rd party favorites, after being hyped up as Sakurai’s best kept secret.

"Best kept secret" or "greatest fear"?

This is supposed to be a joke, but... How sad would it be if this turned out to he true and Sakurai hid Byleth out of fear?

I don’t think it matters honestly because people don’t hate Byleth for those reasons they hate him because he’s Fire Emblem. No matter who it was from Fire Emblem they would’ve gotten hate. Same with Pokémon I feel. It’s Pokémon who already has, what, 10 characters? People will be annoyed no matter what Pokémon.

I think those people are mostly reserved to the hardcore Smash fanbase. Incineroar was a worst-case scenario for a lot of people, but its reception wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be (especially since the Grinch leak riled everyone up).

Yeah, there are a lot of people who will hate an 11th Pokemon no matter what, but I can also see quite a few getting excited for something weird like Toxtricity or Dragapult.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

Let’s be honest the best DLC represented so far was Terry I am hoping for another DLC being represented perfectly as Terry was.
And what I mean by “perfectly” is representing entire company’s history much as possible.
Joker and Banjo and hero had the potential to represent rareware and Altus and Enix history but they didn’t bring anything.

If they put Ryu Hayabusa they can include content from Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive series.

I was a bit disappointed that Banjo didn't include Rare spirits or mii costumes.

I also think that people want new playable universes in smash rather than more fighters from existing IPs that has already playable characters. It can be from both first or third party.

 

[Goombaic]

I do gotta ask

do you guys think there will be a character in FP2 that good amount of people dislike, like with Byleth. Min-Min, while not the most hype character, certainly isn't hated much, and is pretty cool for people. however there is a trend of the Ending of the pass not being as good as the beginning

there was a topic on Gamefaqs that talked about this, so I'm wondering how you guys feel about this too. How much Relatively worse can the pass get for people going from Min-Min

A character that turns out be a semi-clone. I guess a character like Octoling if you want a specific anwer.

 

[7NATOR]

I could see a hypotheoretical CoD character getting a lot of flak for "stealing Crash's spot" as well as the series' general reputation to outsiders not having improved since the Advanced / Infinite War days.

EA could be a massive can of worms, and they would be the most contentious third party possible IMHO. IIRC EA doesn't have a large presence in Japan either, which just adds to the potential firestorm. Any potential flak from Konami's involvement was neutered by Snake headlining "Everyone is here!" but EA would not have any such luxury. There are a few characters that could soothe the reception somewhat, but none of EA's characters would be immune.

As far as first party, yeah I'm agreeing with the overall consensus. But a Mario character that isn't Waluigi / Geno would draw a lot of flak. Extra so if the character's new and / or promotional.

I'm not caught up one what EA owns, what EA characters could we possibly get?

Watch FP11 be yet again another Fire Emblem character.

I will bet 100% sure we are safe from a Fire Emblem character this pass. there's no new game in development to my knowledge. the only scenario where i could see another one is if we got Lyn, but as much as she's cool, there are other Assists more people want to see promoted

 

[Swamp Sensei]

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What could it mean?!?

This fantastical hint could mean anything!

 

[DuskFleur]

Speaking in terms of fan reaction, how do you think non-Sora wanters would react to Sora if he got in? My guess is that a vocal minority of fans will throw a hissy fit because "Disney isn't video games! Grrr!" or "Just another anime sword fighter! I hate anime! Grrr!"

 

[Shroob]

Speaking in terms of fan reaction, how do you think non-Sora wanters would react to Sora if he got in? My guess is that a vocal minority of fans will throw a hissy fit because "Disney isn't video games! Grrr!" or "Just another anime sword fighter! I hate anime! Grrr!"

"I played Chain of Memories once on the GBA so ok/10."

 

[Deleted member]

I will bet 100% sure we are safe from a Fire Emblem character this pass. there's no new game in development to my knowledge.

*laughs in Fire Emblem Heroes*

 

[Guynamednelson]

*laughs in Fire Emblem Heroes*

I'd think Nintendo would think Byleth would also cover the FEH crowd.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

I'm not caught up one what EA owns, what EA characters could we possibly get?

Some notable ones they own are Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Plants vs. Zombies, Crysis, Unravel, and Dead Space. If we're getting a character (or anything else like Mii Fighter costumes and Spirits) from an EA game, I imagine it'd be someone from one of those.

 

[cj.]

You know, on the topic of bosses, what two bosses do you wanna see if we get two more? My picks are Porky and Grima (the latter has you fighte Fell Robin on dragon Grima's back).

Rootmars or Evil Spirit Incarnate from Metal Slug

 

[Cosmic77]

In all seriousness, I'm pretty sure a second FE DLC character is one of the least likely outcomes for a first-party character.

There probably won't be any new FE games for a while, and I doubt they'll feel like Byleth and the existing FE content isn't enough to promote Heroes.

 

[Will]

I've played it.

You think a guy who can't even get Spirits has any chance?

About as much as any other character who doesn't have spirits.

 

[3BitSaurus]

You know, on the topic of bosses, what two bosses do you wanna see if we get two more? My picks are Porky and Grima (the latter has you fighte Fell Robin on dragon Grima's back).

Just two? Erhm... not counting Porky or Rayquaza, who would be returning bosses, or some form of "unlock Ridley" fight, like with Giga Bowser or Ganon....

My wants for more bosses would go to Eggman and an SNK boss - either Rugal or Orochi from KoF or something from Metal Slug. Rootmars could be interesting.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Some notable ones they own are Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Plants vs. Zombies, Crysis, Unravel, and Dead Space. If we're getting a character (or anything else like Mii Fighter costumes and Spirits) from an EA game, I imagine it'd be someone from one of those.

You also forgot Command & Conquer and Titanfall. They seem to be wanting to do to the latter what Min Min is doing for ARMS by finally releasing Titanfall 2 on Steam. Which I always found weird they never did, since it uses Valve's Source engine and a documentary on 1 was released there.