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Mmm, it's arguable that the character none other would be able to top was added two games ago. Master Chief in Smash would be a megaton among megatons, and people would justifiably lose their minds - and I've said before that I believe he's the "biggest" remaining omission, but I don't think you'll again see the likes of a character with the historical significance to Nintendo, unanimous global support, and truly overwhelming demand as Sonic. I think he is the character impossible to top.

Maybe it doesn't seem that way now, thirteen years later, but if we were to get Master Chief, people would eventually get used to him too, and then, as with Sonic, begin to just... take him for granted. And perhaps it'd be impossible to top Master Chief with what's left, but that's certainly no reason to exclude him. On that basis we wouldn't have received youretooslow.

Plus who knows for how long Nintendo and Microsoft will stay in bed together. By the time the next Smash rolls around, the window might have ended.
 

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Plus who knows for how long Nintendo and Microsoft will stay in bed together.
You say that like Nintendo is gonna catch Microsoft having an affair with Sony lmao
 

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Does anyone think Master Chief being revealed would top Sonic's reveal in Brawl?

Would it be the reveal that breaks the internet the most?
Maybe hot take, I don't know yet: I think Goku would be the best finisher for Smash Ultimate if it were to be the final game in the series. I know 4th party characters aren't allowed (personally, I'd be cool with it as long as a case can be made for it and it was a "special" kind of thing), but if there were anyone to break that rule, I think it would have to be him, since he's been requested since the Brawl days as far as I can remember. Also, he wouldn't "open the floodgates" when there aren't any to open, right? Anyways, if the more likely scenario of a blowout character being a video game character were to occur, then I think it would be someone highly requested like Waluigi or Sora.
What makes Goku such an exception aside from popularity? Guess Batman, Spongebob and Shrek should be added for the same reasons as well.

Otherwise no, video game characters only.
 
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Mmm, it's arguable that the character none other would be able to top was added two games ago. Master Chief in Smash would be a megaton among megatons, and people would justifiably lose their minds - and I've said before that I believe he's the "biggest" remaining omission, but I don't think you'll again see the likes of a character with the historical significance to Nintendo, unanimous global support, and truly overwhelming demand as Sonic. I think he is the character impossible to top.

Maybe it doesn't seem that way now, thirteen years later, but if we were to get Master Chief, people would eventually get used to him too, and then, as with Sonic, begin to just... take him for granted. And perhaps it'd be impossible to top Master Chief with what's left, but that's certainly no reason to exclude him. On that basis we wouldn't have received youretooslow.

Plus who knows for how long Nintendo and Microsoft will stay in bed together. By the time the next Smash rolls around, the window might have ended.
You know, this bit right here: "but I don't think you'll again see the likes of a character with the historical significance to Nintendo, unanimous global support, and truly overwhelming demand as Sonic". On one hand, I do agree with it - on the other, I can't help but to think "Well, who knows what happens to Smash and Nintendo in general in 15-20 years?"

The only other contender I could see rivaling Master Chief / Sonic right now is Steve, and that's because Minecraft has major hotbeds of support in all three major regions (JP / Americas* / EU) as well as China, a region Nintendo is currently trying to expand into in a big way. Steve does lack some of that "console rivalry" significance, true, but Minecraft helped build a very important bridge between Nintendo and Microsoft (together with :ultbanjokazooie:).

*(Using Nintendo's own terminology - they do consider North + South America combined - "Americas" a major region nowadays.)
 
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In an alternate scenario where Chrono had the same type of overwhelming fan demand that Banjo had, he could have been the first Square Enix character in Smash.

Mmm, it's arguable that the character none other would be able to top was added two games ago. Master Chief in Smash would be a megaton among megatons, and people would justifiably lose their minds - and I've said before that I believe he's the "biggest" remaining omission, but I don't think you'll again see the likes of a character with the historical significance to Nintendo, unanimous global support, and truly overwhelming demand as Sonic. I think he is the character impossible to top.

Maybe it doesn't seem that way now, thirteen years later, but if we were to get Master Chief, people would eventually get used to him too, and then, as with Sonic, begin to just... take him for granted. And perhaps it'd be impossible to top Master Chief with what's left, but that's certainly no reason to exclude him. On that basis we wouldn't have received youretooslow.

Plus who knows for how long Nintendo and Microsoft will stay in bed together. By the time the next Smash rolls around, the window might have ended.
People don’t appreciate just how huge of a deal Sonic being in Smash was.
 

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Sonic actually broke the internet back in the day.

It literally crashed from hype.

I don't think we'll see that again.
 

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Remember that dude on Miiverse who wanted Powerpuff Girls in Smash?

yeah, getting Goku in Smash will lead to that, Spongebob, Shrek etc and id very much rather not
 

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What would Master Chief take the internet with? If he were the final character that is.
About as much hype as Sonic, honestly. Just because you can't beat Sonic's hype doesn't mean you can't equal it.

Cloud was pretty hype too, put him up in the Snake-tier for things no one saw coming.
 
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Wouldn't Kratos receive a similar reaction to Chief? On one hand, Chief is definitely more well known, has had more significance on the overall industry and is definitely heavily associated with the brand, but the prospect of getting a Sony character would be pretty surprising to say the least.
 

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I was thinking about Final Smashes and how fighters react when an opponent uses one, and it gave me an idea for a game.

Assuming they can emote and their reaction isn't obscured by a helmet or something like that, what kind of face would your most wanted characters (or any character on your wishlist) make in reaction to an incoming Final Smash?
 
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I don’t know about Master Chief.

I was pretty surprised that an ARMS character is the first we are getting on the new Pass. I think it’ll be Ribbon Girl or Min Min.

other that that I think we’ll get Euden from Dragalia Lost, and maybe a Pokémon from Sword & Shield.

I also wouldn’t be surprised by Monster Hunter or Paper Mario either. Also wouldn’t be surprised by Geno simply because he has been requested for sooooo longggggg.

My want/wishful thinking prediction is Sora. It would be so amazing to have him finally join Smash.
 

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Assuming they can emote and their reaction isn't obscured by a helmet or something like that, what kind of face would your most wanted characters (or any character on your wishlist) make in reaction to an incoming Final Smash?
I could see Bass looking shocked as hell, does that help?
 

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I was thinking about Final Smashes and how fighters react when an opponent uses one, and it gave me an idea for a game.

Assuming they can emote and their reaction isn't obscured by a helmet or something like that, what kind of face would your most wanted characters (or any character on your wishlist) make in reaction to an incoming Final Smash?
How about that face Crash makes in the chase sequences?
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Master Chief would be such an awesome character to send off Ultimate with. The amount of hype that would be generated from that would rival or even eclipse Sonic's and Cloud's hype. I think the only other character left that would cause such a reaction if Chief were to make it would be Kratos due to him being a pure Sony rep. Crash could also do something similar, but Kratos would represent modern Sony and having Mario, Chief and Kratos under one roof....would be unreal.

What would Master Chief take the internet with? If he were the final character that is.
Same as Sonic: He'd break the Internet and have it implode on itself.
 

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I was thinking about Final Smashes and how fighters react when an opponent uses one, and it gave me an idea for a game.

Assuming they can emote and their reaction isn't obscured by a helmet or something like that, what kind of face would your most wanted characters (or any character on your wishlist) make in reaction to an incoming Final Smash?
If they don't make Sol's reaction his one from Dizzy's Instant Kill I would be sorely disappointed
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I was thinking about Final Smashes and how fighters react when an opponent uses one, and it gave me an idea for a game.

Assuming they can emote and their reaction isn't obscured by a helmet or something like that, what kind of face would your most wanted characters (or any character on your wishlist) make in reaction to an incoming Final Smash?
Assuming Phoenix Wright summons his desk for some animations, a cool one could be where the desk appears and he goes into this
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obviously that wouldn’t work for something like Isabelle’s or Kirby’s, so he would need a separate one, but this one would be cool against charge final smashes, like Joker’s or Ridley’s. Although Ridley’s animation starts quickly, so it would be hard to see.
And I’m pretty sure any other character on my wishlist couldn’t have anything similar. Most would just be like :eek:

Edit: i’m so fricking dumb, this for non charge final smashes
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I'd add Dixie Kong and Bandana Dee on the first party front, they're evergreen and Dee in particular is up there with Sora and Rex as one of the most popular in Japan. On the third party front, I'd say some of the more recently discussed candidates like Ryu Hayabusa and Doomguy have amassed quite the sizeable fandoms. Maybe not to match the ones on that list, but still worth mentioning. I'd say Phoenix Wright is highly requested but that might just be my bias speaking.

On that note, Dante support really fell off, huh? Guess after all the high expectations for FP5 some just couldn't take the disappointment. That's too bad.

Edit: Bomberman was really highly requested before his AT, I like to think of him as being highly requested too
If you’re referring to this post in regards to Dante support, I would say this list in question is largely 1st party based, and does not actually characterize demand in general.

Dante support has always kinda...been there. He’s only seemed “possible” until Ultimate DLC.

I obviously am in full support, as he’s arguably my most wanted, but that aside... something just...makes me think he’s coming. I can’t explain it, and its not even something I can back up with anything. It’s just a gut feeling, you know?
 

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I think I have a better one for Sol
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During Sol's Fighter presentation, Sakurai shows Sol's Classic Mode and he gets stuck in a Final Smash
Sakurai: "Did you catch that? Sol's reaction towards Final Smashes is a reference to that time he was pegged in the butt by a creepy bald doctor in a paper bag."

This is indeed better. Would love this lmao.
 

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I obviously am in full support, as he’s arguably my most wanted, but that aside... something just...makes me think he’s coming. I can’t explain it, and its not even something I can back up with anything. It’s just a gut feeling, you know?
All it takes is one text leak and now suddenly everyone's in support of them. I don't mean that in a bad way, I'm just saying that's how it usually goes.
 
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During Sol's Fighter presentation, Sakurai shows Sol's Classic Mode and he gets stuck in a Final Smash
Sakurai: "Did you catch that? Sol's reaction towards Final Smashes is a reference to that time he was pegged in the butt by a creepy bald doctor in a paper bag."

This is indeed better. Would love this lmao.
Then he adds Colours because of that detail
 

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I was thinking about Final Smashes and how fighters react when an opponent uses one, and it gave me an idea for a game.

Assuming they can emote and their reaction isn't obscured by a helmet or something like that, what kind of face would your most wanted characters (or any character on your wishlist) make in reaction to an incoming Final Smash?
Well that's an easy choice for me
 

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Yea, of course, and it’s fun when the time you have for meetings and appointments lines up with the other person being asleep.
Or are you suggesting people will just be chill with having meetings at 4am just because it works well for Japan time?
I mean, people make it work all the time.
My own business partner owns a partner company in China and is constantly waking up at 3AM for their meetings.
He leads them, but you can see the drain he takes when then also works on set until 10pm.

In the end businesses will make work what they need to make work- and Sakurai will likely push hard.
Perhaps this is why a company's willingness is necessary.
 

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During Sol's Fighter presentation, Sakurai shows Sol's Classic Mode and he gets stuck in a Final Smash
Sakurai: "Did you catch that? Sol's reaction towards Final Smashes is a reference to that time he was pegged in the butt by a creepy bald doctor in a paper bag."

This is indeed better. Would love this lmao.
.......Bucky Mcbadbat?

 

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I obviously am in full support, as he’s arguably my most wanted, but that aside... something just...makes me think he’s coming. I can’t explain it, and its not even something I can back up with anything. It’s just a gut feeling, you know?
i'm kind of the opposite, actually

i do think dante has a lot backing him up, and i'd say he's one of the likeliest for this pass

but for whatever reason

i don't feel it

i don't feel he's coming, ya know
 

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Question for all of you. What's been the best Smash reveals since Brawl's:ultsnake:?
That depends. In terms of a general reaction, Sonic's reveal in Brawl broke the internet in several places. Sites like GameFAQs went down because of it.

On a personal level, the reveals of Sonic, Mega Man, Bayonetta, Ridley, K. Rool, Banjo-Kazooie, and Everyone Is Here made me the happiest.
 
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I'd add Dixie Kong and Bandana Dee on the first party front, they're evergreen and Dee in particular is up there with Sora and Rex as one of the most popular in Japan. On the third party front, I'd say some of the more recently discussed candidates like Ryu Hayabusa and Doomguy have amassed quite the sizeable fandoms. Maybe not to match the ones on that list, but still worth mentioning. I'd say Phoenix Wright is highly requested but that might just be my bias speaking.

On that note, Dante support really fell off, huh? Guess after all the high expectations for FP5 some just couldn't take the disappointment. That's too bad.

Edit: Bomberman was really highly requested before his AT, I like to think of him as being highly requested too
I don't really think Dante fell off when it comes to support. It's just his fans aren't as vocal as others, I guess. I suppose as well that Byleth's reveal, after what happened before, didn't helped at all.
Dante isn't the most supported character, but he always had support for Smash. It sort of reminds me of Master Chief, now that some people are talking about him. You don't really see that much support with Chief, and when I say support, I mean an active movement behind the character. With Chief is mostly "he would be a groundbreaking addition", "he would be great"... but not really much more, partially because he's obviously a pipe dream even if he seems more likely now.

With Dante, while it's not the same, I think he is in a similar situation. He hasn't been seriously discussed until Ultimate, and for that reason I don't think he has a strong and solid fanbase for Smash, at least not yet. You can see a lot of people saying "yeah he would be cool! I'm okay with him", but I wouldn't consider those people as actual and active supporters of the character.
Also, while he maybe could be perceived as the most likely option from Capcom, he has tough competition if we talk about Capcom characters, especially Phoenix Wright.

Does anyone think Master Chief being revealed would top Sonic's reveal in Brawl?

Would it be the reveal that breaks the internet the most?

What makes Goku such an exception aside from popularity? Guess Batman, Spongebob and Shrek should be added for the same reasons as well.

Otherwise no, video game characters only.
Maybe it's because I haven't played a lot of Sonic during my life, but I honestly think Chief would be even a bigger deal than Sonic, at least in some aspects.

Wouldn't Kratos receive a similar reaction to Chief? On one hand, Chief is definitely more well known, has had more significance on the overall industry and is definitely heavily associated with the brand, but the prospect of getting a Sony character would be pretty surprising to say the least.
Chief is probably more well known than Kratos, but I don't think he really is a lot more known than him. Kratos design is very recognizable and unique.
The biggest deals when it comes to characters are Chief or a Sony character, and for obvious reasons I believe that a Sony rep is the more groundbreaking option if we stick to videogame characters. Chief is usually mentioned from time to time, even if it's as a pipe dream, a Sony character is an option that is barely discussed and when it happens, it doesn't really last long because people perceives it as absolutely impossible, while Chief at least feels realizable, even if he only has 0.1% to make it thanks to Banjo & Kazooie being in Smash.

And when it comes to Sony I think Kratos or Nathan Drake are the most likely options. Sony never seek to have an actual mascot, except for the Playstation One era. But even with that, those two characters feel like the options that would rep Sony better, and probably Sony themselves would push for one of those two, if I had to bet. They're also the closest thing to mascots they have.

I won't deny I'm biased, but between those two I think Kratos would be the best option. More recognizable, older character with an older legacy (PS2, PS3 and PS4, while Drake appeared first on the PS3), at least if we don't count franchises such as Gran Turismo or Wipeout for obvious reasons. And for all the people who worries about humanoid characters that resemble each other, well, Kratos is indeed an humanoid character, but I don't think anyone in the world would mistake him for another character, I don't think I have to explain why lol. Also, while Nathan could be a lot of fun in terms of moveset, Kratos definitely beats him in that regard, and anyone who played a God of War game will know why.
 
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I'm calling it now. With the new Rayman trademarks, I think Rayman is officially over the 51% likely threshold.
There was the Rabbids Mii Costume, the Ubisoft bot, and the French survey that pointed in Rayman's favor, but now with the trademark that's a collaboration between Ubisoft and some other third party, I'm calling Rayman the most likely character to appear in Smash.
I still think Rayman is going to be a Mii Costume, but I cannot deny the evidence in his favor.

Yes, I did just watch PapaGeno's video.
Man, I hate to admit it but you’re probably on to something with the Mii costume idea. I’d love if Rayman got in, but Sakurai’s passed on him multiple times already. Hopefully he’ll be an actualchadacfer
The only issue with Master Chief is that Sakurai knows damn well that it'd be impossible to top that. For real, not just because he's the mascot of competition but because Halo's legacy is ****ing legendary with Halo 3 being a fantastic example of it
All the reason to put him in the Ultimate version of Smash then.

I feel when it comes to Master Chief, the ball is mostly in Sakurai’s court. I feel like Nintendo & Microsoft would absolutely be down. I’m just not sure about Sakurai.

Master Chief in Smash would be fantastic promotion for Halo: Infinite/Xbox Series X. It’d also “validate” the Xbox’s place in the halls of gaming history. So Microsoft would put him in Smash with no question.

Chief would get TONS of eyes on Smash Ultimate &, more importantly, the Switch. He’d also probably be one of the highest selling characters. So I feel Nintendo would be down for those reasons.

As for Sakurai, I’m still unsure as to where he stands with western characters. We’re definitely seeing a lot more western representation but it’s been with Miis & a character who used to be a Nintendo character.

If Microsoft works with Smash again, I could see Sakurai wanting Steve or even Joanna Dark instead.

I guess it just depends on if Sakurai is a secret Halo fanboy or if he reeeeally wants to make the western fanbase/western gamers in general go crazy with hype. Hopefully he does because Chief is easily my most wanted character.
 
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Question for all of you. What's been the best Smash reveals since Brawl's:ultsnake:?
For the characters themselves: Shulk, King K. Rool, Cloud, Joker, Terry, the obvious EVERYONE IS HERE
For the trailer’s presentation: Robin/Lucina, Hero, Little Mac, Mega Man, Inkling (+ initial Ultimate tease)
 
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Guess I'll go then.

In terms of reveal and reaction.

S Tier::snake::sonic::4cloud:, EVERYONE IS HERE!",:ultridley::ultkrool::ultjoker::ultbanjokazooie:
A Tier::4megaman::rosalina::4palutena::4pacman::4shulk::4ryu::4bayonetta::ultsimon::ultrichter::ult_terry:
B Tier::4robinm::4bowserjr::4duckhunt::ultinkling::ultdarksamus::ulthero:
C Tier: :4villager::4littlemac::4greninja::4darkpit::4mewtwo::ultdaisy::ultken::ultincineroar:
D Tier::4charizard::4lucina::4wiifit::4lucas::4feroy::ultchrom::ultisabelle:
**** Tier::4corrin::ultbyleth:
 
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Man, I hate to admit it but you’re probably on to something with the Mii costume idea. I’d love if Rayman got in, but Sakurai’s passed on him multiple times already. Hopefully he’ll be an actualchadacfer


All the reason to put him in the Ultimate version of Smash then.

I feel when it comes to Master Chief, the ball is mostly in Sakurai’s court. I feel like Nintendo & Microsoft would absolutely be down. I’m just not sure about Sakurai.

Master Chief in Smash would be fantastic promotion for Halo: Infinite/Xbox Series X. It’d also “validate” the Xbox’s place in the halls of gaming history. So Microsoft would put him in Smash with no question.

Chief would get TONS of eyes on Smash Ultimate &, more importantly, the Switch. He’d also probably be one of the highest selling characters. So I feel Nintendo would be down for those reasons.

As for Sakurai, I’m still unsure as to where he stands with western characters. We’re definitely seeing a lot more western representation but it’s been with Miis & a character who used to be a Nintendo character.

If Microsoft works with Smash again, I could see Sakurai wanting Steve or even Joanna Dark instead.

I guess it just depends on if Sakurai is a secret Halo fanboy or if he reeeeally wants to make the western fanbase/western gamers in general go crazy with hype. Hopefully he does because Chief is easily my most wanted character.
I don't think what Sakurai feels about Halo matters that much when Nintendo picks the characters.

Also, I know a good part of Smash is influenced by Sakurai's own gaming experience but can we slow down with the "fighter selection depends on whether or not Sakurai is a fanboy of this series" line of thought? The guy's a professional and you don't become a highly respected developer in your field if you reject working on things just because it's not your personal fave.
 
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