Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Hadokeyblade]

Its possible too adding ARMS into the roster is an way to make it more popular and well known as with Fire Emblem. Who even knew Fire Emblem before Melee?

Only like, 5 people who watched the anime movie English dub. Because it was the only FE content the west got before Melee.

 

[Cosmic77]

Just keep the demand going guys. They'll listen eventually.

Spoiler

Any day now...

 

[DarthEnderX]

Or a Link's Awakening-style remake. I saw a lot of people asking for that.

I really hated the way LA remake looked, but that look would be pretty fitting for Earthbound.

Though, to be fair, I also don't like the way the Earthbound games look...

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I also don't think that development marketing should have an impact on the choice. He may have been been crafted as the best representative of the series, but he fails to do that in my opinion. When I see Arms content online, most of it seems to be in relation to many of the various other characters in the series. The thing is, I feel strongly that if Springman is added, it won't be a ARMs character all smash playing ARMs fans can get behind. From what I've seen, a pick like Min Min, Ribbon girl, or Twintelle would do a better job at unifying the fan base. That to me seems like a good enough reason not to add him. Granted, if they go the Hero route that issue becomes non-existant.

This is due to the fact that he's the most vanilla of the ARMS cast, simultaneously being the best character to represent ARMS in a nutshell (something a conglomerate character would ruin), and the least popular character. He's not bad as a mascot, but what makes him so good as as a gateway to the series also makes him uninteresting in comparison to the rest of the cast. It's also worth noting that this character's shtick becomes incredibly unique once the horizons broaden. In Super Smash Bros., he'll be an incredibly unique character that can show off what ARMS has to offer without slapping another gimmick on top of that. That's why Spring Man without any other characters forcing their mechanics on him is the best possible choice for an ARMS character even though it means that no one else can be added unless they're making them all into a sort of custom character, or adding a few others as Echo Fighters.

The mere fact that it was on Miiverse may indicate that said statement is outdated.

But it does tell us that the official word is that Assist Trophies do disconfirm characters. However, given the current situation it does seem like this restriction may be removed, and I hope it will be. Until then though, I'd say it's still in place, and will be reinforced if Spring Man is not our ARMS fighter in any way, shape, or form.

 

[Will]

Just keep the demand going guys. They'll listen eventually.

They listened and said no, Sakurai and Miyamoto are not the same type of guy.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I mean, again, looking back I think it’s a tad crazy to assume a png, Assist Trophy, or other current NPC situation would prevent Nintendo from saying, “Let’s add them to Smash!”, especially if they own the character.

However, I don’t think Spring Man being upgraded (which I think is the case here, or will be) sets a precedent just yet. It would appear to me that there is a reason Nintendo decided to go with ARMS and add it to Smash. I wouldn’t say the game is “dead”, but I think it’s fair to say that the player base dropped drastically after a particular period of time post-release. Adding the game to Smash does wonders for the series...renews interest in the game, the characters, and provides an opportunity, when coupled with a demo, to allow folks a chance to try out a game that was likely passed over by many later Switch buyers.

I would love to see Isaac, or Rex upgraded to playable. However, Golden Sun for example is not in the same situation as ARMS. Xenoblade Chronicles 2 is a bit different, but it still isn’t in the same boat as ARMS.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens going forward, but I think any “upgrades” are at a case by case basis.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I really hated the way LA remake looked, but that look would be pretty fitting for Earthbound.

Though, to be fair, I also don't like the way the Earthbound games look...

I think Earthbound would look pretty sweet with an artstyle inspired by superhero comics of the era it's inspired by. It might not fit for Earthbound Beginnings and definitely wouldn't for Mother 3 though. I'd say each game's facelift should be aiming for a different style should they chose to give them one in the first place (It's not really necessary for the older two titles). Also, I think Earthbound Beginnings would benefit the most from a remaster, but Earthbound and Mother 3 should probably be left alone, with the only upgrades being visual and auditory. Even then they should probably have the option to go back to the original graphics & sound like what was done with Wonder Boy: The Dragon's Trap.

Side Tangent: If Mother 3 gets localized, I wonder how many people are going to reject the localized title of "Earthbound 2". lol

 

[Opossum]

There's also a massive difference between adding two or three characters to a crossover fighting game and creating a brand new game for an IP that had its last major entry really underperform. There's a lot more of a monetary risk involved with the latter.

All Right Time for round 3!

Pick 3 characters to be in Smash. And make sure you pick 3 characters in the image below instead of naming random characters this time.
Thanks again for everyone’s participation!

Crash, Lara, Sans.

 

[Jomosensual]

All Right Time for round 3!

Pick 3 characters to be in Smash. And make sure you pick 3 characters in the image below instead of naming random characters this time.
Thanks again for everyone’s participation!

Lara, Scorpion, Crash

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Also, I think Earthbound Beginnings would benefit the most from a remaster

I thought Earthbound was the remaster.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I mean, again, looking back I think it’s a tad crazy to assume a png, Assist Trophy, or other current NPC situation would prevent Nintendo from saying, “Let’s add them to Smash!”, especially if they own the character.

I mean the way I see Nintendo's mindset with this, once a character is an Assist Trophy or Spirit, Nintendo moves on to another character as they consider their roles within the game done.

 

[Will]

I thought Earthbound was the remaster.

nah earthbound is just a sequel that repeats some beats from mother 1

 

[Deleted member]

The talk about the ARMS fighter possibly breaking fan rules like no spirits or ATs as DLC certainly got me wondering how people would feel if said character was the only exception to that and the rest of Vol 2 were characters not present in Smash at all. I know I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

 

[Animegamingnerd]

The talk about the ARMS fighter possibly breaking fan rules like no spirits or ATs as DLC certainly got me wondering how people would feel if said character was the only exception to that and the rest of Vol 2 were characters not present in Smash at all. I know I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

The salt would be glorious to watch unfold.

 

[Hinata]

The talk about the ARMS fighter possibly breaking fan rules like no spirits or ATs as DLC certainly got me wondering how people would feel if said character was the only exception to that and the rest of Vol 2 were characters not present in Smash at all. I know I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

The ARMS character is Spring Man. Everyone goes mental, because that puts Assist Trophies, Spirits, and Mii Costumes back on the table in one fell swoop.

And then this groundbreaking moment, which shatters all our fan rules in an instant, never matters again because every other character in Vol. 2 is just third parties.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I mean the way I see Nintendo's mindset with this, once a character is an Assist Trophy or Spirit, Nintendo moves on to another character as they consider their roles within the game done.

That depends on what their outlook is when it comes to the game in question.

Almost any time a game debuts with a playable character in Smash, it’s typically the main or cover character. That, right now, is Spring Man and Ribbon Girl. Min Min is the “most popular” (though I think I need more information on how party crashes work to substantiate that).

Being someone who didn’t expect upgrades, I can’t see Nintendo looking at Assist Trophy Spring Man, and png files of Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, and others, and saying, “Shucks, it can’t be them! Looks like it has to be Master Mummy!”

At least, I would be monumentally shocked if that were the case.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

I mean the way I see Nintendo's mindset with this, once a character is an Assist Trophy or Spirit, Nintendo moves on to another character as they consider their roles within the game done.

What is your justification for that belief?

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

The ARMS character is Spring Man. Everyone goes mental, because that puts Assist Trophies, Spirits, and Mii Costumes back on the table in one fell swoop.

And then this groundbreaking moment, which shatters all our fan rules in an instant, never matters again because every other character in Vol. 2 is just third parties.

I mean, I don’t think that scenario is entirely out of the question.

Breaking fan rules isn’t the reason they go for picks, but rather what makes sense for their bottom line. Granted, I know you know this, but I just wanted to expand upon it.

If ARMS gets Spring Man, it should be seen as an exception and not a pattern until there’s reason to see it as a pattern. That doesn’t mean any conversation of further upgrades should be shut down, rather, quite the opposite. But the expectation that the exception becomes the rule, I think, makes things a bit more off-base and sets folks up for disappointment.

As I, Bent Back John, always say, desire and expectation are two very different things.

 

[SNEKeater]

The talk about the ARMS fighter possibly breaking fan rules like no spirits or ATs as DLC certainly got me wondering how people would feel if said character was the only exception to that and the rest of Vol 2 were characters not present in Smash at all. I know I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

Honestly, I think this is very likely to happen. Having Spring Man (ATs), Ribbon Girl (Mii Costume) or Min Min/Ninjara/Twintelle (Spirits) as our ARMS rep doesn't mean the rest of the pass will be about promotions. That doesn't even guarantee getting 1 more promotion besides ARMS.

If one of these 5 is the character some people will hype without responsibility, specially if it's Spring Man, and assume that their most wanted, stuck as AT/Costume/Spirit, will have great chances to make it in. Then they will rage and blame Sakurai or the DLC character they don't like from pass 2 if nothing happens.

 

[Guynamednelson]

The talk about the ARMS fighter possibly breaking fan rules like no spirits or ATs as DLC certainly got me wondering how people would feel if said character was the only exception to that and the rest of Vol 2 were characters not present in Smash at all. I know I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

But if Joker was a sign of things to come for FP1, why wouldn't this be a sign for FP2?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I mean, I don’t think that scenario is entirely out of the question.

Breaking fan rules isn’t the reason they go for picks, but rather what makes sense for their bottom line. Granted, I know you know this, but I just wanted to expand upon it.

If ARMS gets Spring Man, it should be seen as an exception and not a pattern until there’s reason to see it as a pattern. That doesn’t mean any conversation of further upgrades should be shut down, rather, quite the opposite. But the expectation that the exception becomes the rule, I think, makes things a bit more off-base and sets folks up for disappointment.

As I, Bent Back John, always say, desire and expectation are two very different things.

But Waluigi.

The heavy demand for him.

Make that two exceptions.

 

[Ben Holt]

But Waluigi.

The heavy demand for him.

Make that two exceptions.

And Shovel Knight. He deserves to be playable.

 

[N3ON]

The talk about the ARMS fighter possibly breaking fan rules like no spirits or ATs as DLC certainly got me wondering how people would feel if said character was the only exception to that and the rest of Vol 2 were characters not present in Smash at all. I know I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

The only relevant info in getting a character like Spring-Man is that, going forward, further promotions could happen. That revelation would remain unchanged whether he was the only one, or all six were. It's the people who take the evidence that something can happen to assume more will happen who will be disappointed.

But that's just in line with the already entirely too common habit of people putting the cart before the horse.

However, at the end of the day the important thing is that the rule got broken, and therefore won't be a factor going forward in series speculation. Though, I suppose if it is just Spring-Man, some people will try to form arguments over how he was an exception and the rule otherwise still stands, which would be annoying.

 

[Cosmic77]

Spring Man getting in may or may not indicate that other ATs are coming in the future. All it does is open the discussion to characters who were kicked to the curb because of a popular fan rule, and that's all I really wanted anyway.

That being said, if an AT becomes playable, it'll interesting to see how many people try to play the, "Yeah, but it won't happen again" card as if they know for sure that they won't be wrong a second time. I thought it was funny how several users were convinced Byleth was a one-time thing, and that the rest of the DLC would be all third-parties. Literally the first character of the pass was a first-party.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Being someone who didn’t expect upgrades, I can’t see Nintendo looking at Assist Trophy Spring Man, and png files of Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, and others, and saying, “Shucks, it can’t be them! Looks like it has to be Master Mummy!”

Who's to say that it couldn't be the case? They have 10 other characters they haven't made into Spirits yet. Perfect amount for a DLC Spirit board along with the five in the base game.

What is your justification for that belief?

I'm just speculating. I don't need a justification for that.

 

[Godzillathewonderdog]

Alright, I added up all of the votes from the three categories I had you guys vote for and these were the 4 most want of each category.

Please pick the 3 characters shown in the picture above that you want to see get added as playable fighters in Smash the most.

Please try to pick 3 and not just 1 or 2 as doing so messes up the final tally. Thank you for your participation

 

[Guynamednelson]

Who's to say that it couldn't be the case? They have 10 other characters they haven't made into Spirits yet. Perfect amount for a DLC Spirit board along with the five in the base game.

This is part of the reason why I think people who want one of ARMS' bosses are setting themselves up for disappointment. Why wouldn't they think Dr. Coyle is perfect for the board's 4-star spirit battle?

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

I'm just speculating. I don't need a justification for that.

If you have no justification, it's a distraction from serious discussion.

 

[Knight Dude]

The talk about the ARMS fighter possibly breaking fan rules like no spirits or ATs as DLC certainly got me wondering how people would feel if said character was the only exception to that and the rest of Vol 2 were characters not present in Smash at all. I know I wouldn't lose sleep over it.

I like Spring-Man so I'm good there honestly. And ARMS as a whole has a neat enough gimmick to expand upon. Stretchy limbs and interchangeable boxing gloves. Punch-Out!! only has like 5 or 6 attacks you can do. While the ****ty air game is Mac's Achilles's Heel, his moveset working as the game's go-to boxer is great. Same with in Incineroar as the go-to wrestler. Though I do get other people wanting to happen to at LEAST one other character. I'd hope for Mega Man X if that's really the case though.

But even if the ENTIRE pass was Cameo Characters getting playable status as well, it's not like people wouldn't still be kind of disappointed. You got the group that genuinely want more new franchises to pop up, like DMC, Tekken, Crash or Guilty Gear. And all the fanbases that get left behind since no way are you pleasing that entire "group", really it's multiple groups, of people with just 6 characters, even if the choices were Shantae, Lyn/Black Knight, MMX/Zero, Alucard and Waluigi. Not to mention if this only applies to ATs/other NPCs with models to save time on, which, while still cool, might screw over cameos that don't also have models to start off with.

But I'LL be happy with Mr. Toothpaste Pompadour. Which is all that really matters of course.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Alright, I added up all of the votes from the three categories I had you guys vote for and these were the 4 most want of each category.

Please pick the 3 characters shown in the picture above that you want to see get added as a playable fighter in Smash the most.

Please try to pick 3 and not just 1 or 2 as doing so messes up the final tally. Thank you for your participation

Steve, Master Chief, Ryu Hayabusa

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

Alright, I added up all of the votes from the three categories I had you guys vote for and these were the 4 most want of each category.

Please pick the 3 characters shown in the picture above that you want to see get added as playable fighters in Smash the most.

Please try to pick 3 and not just 1 or 2 as doing so messes up the final tally. Thank you for your participation

Oof, three is tough. I guess...Phoenix, Hayabusa, Bandanna Dee

 

[YoshiandToad]

Alright, I added up all of the votes from the three categories I had you guys vote for and these were the 4 most want of each category.

Please pick the 3 characters shown in the picture above that you want to see get added as playable fighters in Smash the most.

Please try to pick 3 and not just 1 or 2 as doing so messes up the final tally. Thank you for your participation

Bandana Dee
Waluigi
Isaac

Apologies to Crash.

 

[M@R!3]

Alright, I added up all of the votes from the three categories I had you guys vote for and these were the 4 most want of each category.

Please pick the 3 characters shown in the picture above that you want to see get added as playable fighters in Smash the most.

Please try to pick 3 and not just 1 or 2 as doing so messes up the final tally. Thank you for your participation

Sora, Dante, Master Chief.

 

[Knight Dude]

But Waluigi.

The heavy demand for him.

Make that two exceptions.

Aren't you the guy who JUST said you weren't expecting it to be Spring-Man?

Just because a character is heavily requested doesn't mean they'll add them. It did take like 2 games to get Ridley after his popularity really exploded. Same with K.Rool. I'm sure Waluigi will get his chance someday tho. But whether or not Spring-Man sets a standard, or is currently an exception to the "rule", much in the same vein as Chrom is, we've yet to see.

And that's IF the chosen character is Spring-Man. The other popular requests/expectations still break at least 1 rule, the protagonist/mascot first one, or if it's Min-Min/Ninjara/Twintelle, Spirits too, or those 2 AND Mii Costume for Ribbon Girl.

 

[N3ON]

Alright, I added up all of the votes from the three categories I had you guys vote for and these were the 4 most want of each category.

Please pick the 3 characters shown in the picture above that you want to see get added as playable fighters in Smash the most.

Please try to pick 3 and not just 1 or 2 as doing so messes up the final tally. Thank you for your participation

Three great anime swordsmen.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Please pick the 3 characters shown in the picture above that you want to see get added as playable fighters in Smash the most.

Only four of them made my top three lists. Of them, I think I'll have to go with Bandanna Waddle Dee, Phoenix Wright, and Rex & Pyra/Mythra.

Three great anime swordsmen.

lol

 

[Knight Dude]

This is part of the reason why I think people who want one of ARMS' bosses are setting themselves up for disappointment. Why wouldn't they think Dr. Coyle is perfect for the board's 4-star spirit battle?

They could pick either her or Max Brass, then have the other act as the 4-star spirit. If not Hedlok in and of itself.

I'm still thinking it'll be like Hero and we get a few characters to act as costumes for the base. Is it entirely accurate? Nope. But that hasn't stopped other characters who were intentionally made similar to others, despite the possibility for being pretty different.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Alright, I added up all of the votes from the three categories I had you guys vote for and these were the 4 most want of each category.

Please pick the 3 characters shown in the picture above that you want to see get added as playable fighters in Smash the most.

Please try to pick 3 and not just 1 or 2 as doing so messes up the final tally. Thank you for your participation

Steve, Master Chief, and WALUIIGIIII!

 

[Knight Dude]

Alright, I added up all of the votes from the three categories I had you guys vote for and these were the 4 most want of each category.

Please pick the 3 characters shown in the picture above that you want to see get added as playable fighters in Smash the most.

Please try to pick 3 and not just 1 or 2 as doing so messes up the final tally. Thank you for your participation

Dante, Hayabusa, Isaac. So an Earth Mage, a Ninja and a Half Demon.

I was close to picking either Doom Slayer or Crash in place of one of them honestly. So those two get an honorable mention.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Aren't you the guy who JUST said you weren't expecting it to be Spring-Man?

Just because a character is heavily requested doesn't mean they'll add them. It did take like 2 games to get Ridley after his popularity really exploded. Same with K.Rool. I'm sure Waluigi will get his chance someday tho. But whether or not Spring-Man sets a standard, or is currently an exception to the "rule", much in the same vein as Chrom is, we've yet to see.

And that's IF the chosen character is Spring-Man. The other popular requests/expectations still break at least 1 rule, the protagonist/mascot first one, or if it's Min-Min/Ninjara/Twintelle, Spirits too, or those 2 AND Mii Costume for Ribbon Girl.

Probably should had been more clear but that was coming across as more of an joking matter.