Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[MrElectroG64]

Idk man, 64's literally the only game where third party stuff wasn't strongly considered, Nintendo purists whined about the lack of Nintendo-centric DLC after Dragon Quest, a mostly Nintendo franchise and Banjo, a franchise only Nintendo fans like. Then we get Byleth but then people go "WE SHOULD HAVE HAD AN ICE CLIMBER REP INSTEAD"

I highly doubt anyone has ever said that.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I highly doubt anyone has ever said that.

Correct. She's mostly referring to the fact that the wanted Nintendo characters are becoming more and more obscure.

 

[Guynamednelson]

or the look of him with the altered proportions?

The legs are too long.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

That's what I said, go back to the post I said that and notice how I said Joker's teaser was in December while February only showed his idle animation. My point is that they've barely been consistent so saying they chose not to tell people what they've been able to spend money on until 5 months later for consistency isn't going to cut it.

A teaser is no different from a reveal trailer beyond "lack of gameplay". They both happen before the render. It's completely consistent in that regard.

The hell are you on about with delays, I'm not talking about delays, I'm saying I'm annoyed that we're getting 3 months of the exact same topic over and over every goddamn day with no possible variety in the topic when this could have been avoided entirely and how there's a chance they pulled a "WHO COULD IT POSSIBLY BE" only to go "Oh my, the protagonist! I bet nobody saw the protagonist coming!"

Fair. But I don't think it's a problem whatsoever anyway. People are going to predict the main character all the time. Whether they're right or not is a different story. Also, the fact it's a new franchise means it's not something where a Chrom situation is likely either. That had a huge difference. Besides, Spring Man is also the mascot, making the one-shot Pikachu situation irrelevant too. It doesn't mean he's getting in, but why does it matter that people think the main character is so likely? I honestly don't see what the issue is here. Yeah, it'll be discussed a while. But that's just part of how things happen.

 

[N3ON]

I'm complaining because they're trying to stretch out their mystery DLC for 5 months after selling it and by trying to preserve the mystery and telling people to **** off for another few months is just taking the piss

I'll keep that in mind next time you rail on Spring-Man.

 

[MrElectroG64]

The legs are too long.

understandable lol. I may have overdone it a bit, but I feel like its still doable. The legs could stay the same length they are on the skeleton, but have them connect at the same spot that would otherwise be the end of Springman's Shorts. that way he could stick to the springman skeleton, but still have the same looking legs as the original Helix. Plus, this could add to him looking more stretchy, like he should be, with a decent amount of his legs being hidden by what we perceive to be his lower body/waste.

 

[Cosmic77]

Correct. She's mostly referring to the fact that the wanted Nintendo characters are becoming more and more obscure.

"Obscure" might not be the right word. I'm not seeing many requests for Muddy Mole or Jill Dozer.

We might be running out of that Tier A star power, but there's still a lot of decent Nintendo characters to choose from. The DK franchise alone has three characters I'd love to see in Smash. Then you have franchises that constantly add more characters over time. I'm sure Pokemon, FE, and XC will always offer us some modern choices.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I highly doubt anyone has ever said that.

Captain Falcon is all alone in representing F-Zero, Kirby hasn't had a newcomer since Brawl, Zelda has THREE Links and none of the other memorable villains or side characters, Star Fox fans have begged for Krystal, Waluigi...

Especially hurts when Ridley and K. Rool got in too pic.twitter.com/VxyQiEwBWM

— Monkey D. Lenny | Vtuber (@MonkeyDLenny) January 19, 2020

Look at all those retweets and likes. Plenty of people seem to think Ice Climbers is in dire need of a new character and how Byleth was a slap in the face for the entirety of the Ice Climber fandom

I pointed this out about a week ago, but look at the past 15 unique characters starting at Byleth and going backwards.

First-party:
Third-party:

For a series that's always put most of it's attention on first-parties, this is some pretty good third-party representation. It's fine if you naturally prefer third-parties, but I don't think it's fair to be disgusted by more Nintendo characters when we're currently getting third-parties at an almost equal rate.

Please bro I've stated like 10 times that I'm down with an ARMS charactee multiple times on this site and that my only grievance is the Guess Who aspect. My 'disgust of the poor opressed first parties' seems weird when I've even provided a link to a video saying "I do hope the ARMS character plays like this" multiple times, with this being the third time in 2 weeks I'm posting this video

I'll keep that in mind next time you rail on Spring-Man.

I'm railing on Spring Man because there's no point of saying it could be literally any character from the franchise and then just pulling the protagonist. If Sakurai said "Oooh we're adding a character from Tekken, who could it be? Find out in 5 months!" and it's just Heihachi, you'd go "Why bother acting like it could have been literally anything else?" Nintendo's proven multiple times throughout the ages that they're idiots, so this is a very realistic scenario and I'm getting it out of the way now. I can guarantee you that if it's not Spring Man, I won't complain about it at all beyond "I wish I knew this earlier" at most, willing to bet cash money on that

 

[CapitaineCrash]

To be fair even if someone most wanted are first parties doesn't mean that that same person will like every first party. I don't get why some people think that supporting some first parties = supporting every Nintendo character ever. Like me some of my most wanted are Porky and Rhythm heaven rep and I found Byleth a meh addition and Arms I'm mostly neutral. I'm sure some Bandana waddle dee fans or Waluigi fans think the same thing as me.

Like for example, no one is going to say to a Crash bandicoot fan "hey we just got Terry who is also third party, so you should be happy", so I don't get why if I'm a Rhythm, heaven or Waluigi supporter I should be necessarily happy with Byleth and Arms rep.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

...Why are we talking about some 5 months thing? It's literally only 3 to 2 and a half months at most? I get it's exaggeration, but it's grossly exaggerating the issue to make it sound worse than it really is.

And the protagonist is still our guess anyway. That, and it has no real story mode, so protagonist is misleading. It's more mascot at this point, which Ribbon Girl is second to him in that regard. Of course people expect the core character. He's the game's Mario. As I said before, this isn't like Chrom where he's just the first of the three main characters the game focuses on. The franchise started with its Mario, Marth. Of course people expect the same to be done with ARMS. It's closer to a Pikachu situation, if you will.

A better point is why even show Spring Man as possible or some of them if these "in-game roles" immediately disconfirm just because of our own fanrules. That goes to show besides the fanrules blatantly being ignored for this kind of teaser, that they wanted to make the whole conversation last longer to get ARMS some attention. That's really are there is to it. It's literally padding. I'm not saying padding is inherently good(though I'll be honest that I rarely hate padding and actually find it fun in most cases) or anything, but that's really what it is. "Why would it be Spring Man?" Why can't it be? He's shown as on the table, so the spirit/AT thing isn't a very valid point anymore.

There's nothing wrong with expecting someone else entirely, even if it's cause of his in-game role(which seems to not matter at this point). But complaining that people are... talking about the Mario of the game getting in often as their prediction seems kind of... pointless overall? It seems just moaning for the sake of it now. Big deal. He's a popular and expected choice. There's always something better to do, like explaining why you don't think it's happening and move on. Or just finding something else to talk about. I agree the conversation has gone on for a pretty long time already, and it wasn't even revealed that long ago. There's little to say anymore of note. We don't know how DLC works for Pass 2 beyond basic details(Character, Music, 8 costumes, Stages, which is it. Spirit Board probably). Isn't Sakurai's column coming out soon? It could shed more light on various things as is. Maybe give us a slight clue.

 

[N3ON]

I'm railing on Spring Man because there's no point of saying it could be literally any character from the franchise and then just pulling the protagonist. If Sakurai said "Oooh we're adding a character from Tekken, who could it be? Find out in 5 months!" and it's just Heihachi, you'd go "Why bother acting like it could have been literally anything else?" Nintendo's proven multiple times throughout the ages that they're idiots, so this is a very realistic scenario and I'm getting it out of the way now. I can guarantee you that if it's not Spring Man, I won't complain about it at all beyond "I wish I knew this earlier" at most, willing to bet cash money on that

You could make that point just as easily without calling him a "bland ass toothpaste head", which you did literally a page ago. I'm sure if I went back further I could find a plethora of name-calling you've done at the character's expense, because you've been doing it since the reveal.

Frankly idc if people **** on characters or not, and I'm pretty apathetic towards Spring-Man, but I do notice hypocrisy.

You're still the first person to jump on anyone who might insinuate something less than complimentary about Byleth. Literally someone could say something disparaging and then you could count how many posts it'd be until you'd reply with a passive-aggressive retort. You'll probably defend Byleth in your forthcoming reply.

But apparently Spring-Man is open season because you don't like the character. And you can say that you're just complaining about the method and not the character, but anyone who can read can tell you're doing both.

 

[SNEKeater]

To be fair even if someone most wanted are first parties doesn't mean that that same person will like every first party. I don't get why some people think that supporting some first parties = supporting every Nintendo character ever. Like me some of my most wanted are Porky and Rhythm heaven rep and I found Byleth a meh addition and Arms I'm mostly neutral. I'm sure some Bandana waddle dee fans or Waluigi fans think the same thing as me.

Like for example, no one is going to say to a Crash bandicoot fan "hey we just got Terry who is also third party, so you should be happy", so I don't get why if I'm a Rhythm, heaven or Waluigi supporter I should be necessarily happy with Byleth and Arms rep.

Well, there's certainly some people that acts like they want more first parties, then they got Byleth or an ARMS rep and they're upset. I can see that point.
If anything those people should be more clear: they want certain first parties in the game.

At the same time, those people usually are the same that bash any choice that isn't a long requested character. Byleth and ARMS weren't precisely the most requested options in the community, so these two had mixed receptions. The same goes for any third party character that isn't one of the darlings of the community (aka Shantae, Geno, Sora, and a few more I guess).

I mean I don't agree at all with some of the things Gwen have said and how she said it but I can totally see her point.

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Hearing a new official Dreams Dreams remix from NiGHTS in 2020 makes me happy

Fun fact: The composer that did Dreams Dreams is Tomoko Sasaki, a SEGA composer who did the soundtrack for Ristar and voiced the Chao in the Sonic Adventure games.
You may know her more famously for doing the Brawl remix of Ashley's Song.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

You could make that point just as easily without calling him a "bland ass toothpaste head", which you did literally a page ago. I'm sure if I went back further I could find a plethora of name-calling you've done at the character's expense, because you've been doing it since the reveal.

Frankly idc if people **** on characters or not, and I'm pretty apathetic towards Spring-Man, but I do notice hypocrisy.

You're still the first person to jump on anyone who might insinuate something less than complimentary about Byleth. Literally someone could say something disparaging and then you could count how many posts it'd be until you'd reply with a passive-aggressive retort. You'll probably defend Byleth in your forthcoming reply.

But apparently Spring-Man is open season because you don't like the character. And you can say that you're just complaining about the method and not the character, but anyone who can read can tell you're doing both.

Here's the difference.
News of an ARMS character: 2 weeks.

Time since Byleth was revealed: Damn near 3 months, a quarter of a year, with people still complaining.

When it gets that bad, by all means, call it out, though I doubt it'll last even a month after the release, even if we don't get any other announcements until October or whatever

 

[Schnee117]

...Why are we talking about some 5 months thing? It's literally only 3 to 2 and a half months at most? I get it's exaggeration, but it's grossly exaggerating the issue to make it sound worse than it really is.

5 months is from them starting to sell the pass in January to whenever the character is revealed and released in June.

 

[N3ON]

To be real, there are any number of reasons in which Nintendo could've done the announcement the way they did, and until we actually see the full reveal, the most we can do is continue to theorize.

It could be what seems to be the most postulated situation, in which there is an unorthodox implementation of characters. It could be because ARMS 2 is in the pipeline and the character takes their cues from that. It could be because Nintendo cleverly realized that this method has people talking about ARMS for the next two and a half months. It could be the opposite and Nintendo is just being tone-deaf and we'll receive a character they easily could've revealed in full last month. It could be that Nintendo is acclimating people to the idea as to mitigate blowback on the heels of Byleth.

All these theories are possible; Nintendo is hard to pin down, and that's why we'll continue to go around in circles until June.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

If I'm going to be honest, I wish we had a better character than ARMS.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

5 months is from them starting to sell the pass in January to whenever the character is revealed and released in June.

Ah, makes sense. I consider it a 3 month(about) wait due to the reveal/teaser of 6 to the full reveal/release of the character. Or at least in this case.

I didn't treat the pass existing as the same as the character's reveal at all. Anyway, maybe that's part of why I'm less bothered? I shrug.

 

[Idon]

My personal theory is that there isn't actually an ARMS character, but instead this a stinger operation to track down the people that share and create "Hoes Mad" memes whenever any character gets announced to throw them into comedy prison.

 

[pinshadow]

I've just been assuming that the ARMS character was planned to be out sometime in April and they pushed it back to June because of development delays due to the pandemic. Hell, they literally said in the reveal trailer that they had to extend development time, so at the very least they know the 5 month gap is a little long. That's probably why they revealed them this way, just so we had something to sit on for the next few months.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

My personal theory is that there isn't actually an ARMS character, but instead this a stinger operation to track down the people that share and create "Hoes Mad" memes whenever any character gets announced to throw them into comedy prison.

Thankfully we never saw any of those stupid memes here.


...Wait.

 

[N3ON]

Here's the difference.
News of an ARMS character: 2 weeks.

Time since Byleth was revealed: Damn near 3 months, a quarter of a year, with people still complaining.

When it gets that bad, by all means, call it out, though I doubt it'll last even a month after the release, even if we don't get any other announcements until October or whatever

Your defence is consistently that the potential methodology is bad (which I've not contended), and therefore somehow berating the character is, if not warranted, acceptable. But those are clearly two different things, and you'll not convince me that ****ting on Spring-Man is necessary for the former point to be accurately expressed, because it isn't.

And you were on top of people about Byleth since the day of that reveal, so that's not really an effective out.

 

[Garteam]

Correct. She's mostly referring to the fact that the wanted Nintendo characters are becoming more and more obscure.

To be fair, every character getting added to Smash is getting more and more obscure. Just as K. Rool, Byleth, and Spring Man are not as iconic as Pikachu, Link, or Kirby, Joker, Banjo, and Terry are not as big as Sonic, Solid Snake, and Pac-Man. When we're character #89, they're basically guaranteed to be more obscure than the characters that came before them, regardless of who owns the character.

 

[Phoenix Douchebag]

If you must insult a character and attack it constantly in order to prove your choice is superior.......then i don't think it speaks well for the character at all nor you. Also i think insulting a character and dreading their arrival only makes them more likely at this point.

My personal theory is that there isn't actually an ARMS character, but instead this a stinger operation to track down the people that share and create "Hoes Mad" memes whenever any character gets announced to throw them into comedy prison.

This is probably one of the most hype announcement of Fighter Pass 2 that i can think of.

 

[Deleted member]

My personal theory is that there isn't actually an ARMS character, but instead this a stinger operation to track down the people that share and create "Hoes Mad" memes whenever any character gets announced to throw them into comedy prison.

*Hides avatar*

"Wait, cops. This isn't what it looks like."

 

[blackghost]

My opinion:

Also, there's going to be another Super Smash Bros. game. They're not just gonna randomly end a highly lucrative series like this.


If (big if) this decides anything it'll be who's the main costume, and that's assuming they take the composite character route.


I don't think they're working on the characters one at a time so it's feasible that they could swap the most done characters around if need be. However there's not really any indication that the delayed fighter was going to be in Fighters Pass 6 so there's not enough evidence to make a verdict on that. However, if Fighters Pass 7 includes a big blowout character I'll lean towards the idea that there was some order swapping.

Not that it matters anyway. We're still getting the characters.

I mean we already KNOW they dont do characters one at a time. Given the timeline we had for the character showcases. that was confirmed during the previous pass. almost no dev does just one thing at a time. even mobile games arent.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I mean we already KNOW they dont do characters one at a time. Given the timeline we had for the character showcases. that was confirmed during the previous pass. almost no dev does just one thing at a time. even mobile games arent.

I thought as much. I just wasn't sure so I didn't want to throw up an absolute.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Reminder back in the Box Theory era and how that proved to be right. The same could be here for it to be revealed to be Spring Man.

That's who I'm thinking at this point but coming with Ribbon Girl as an echo fighter.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I mean, sure, there are some cool ideas that they could take from ARMS and put into Smash.

But Spring Man as a concept has never been in Smash before as a playable character. Nobody else would be able to do something like an ARMS character, so even if he's the "lame" ARMS character, he's ironically going to be arguably one of the most unique picks in the game.

In that case, we get a new series, unique moveset, great music...I'll call that a pretty stellar pick myself.

 

[Opossum]

Here's the difference.
News of an ARMS character: 2 weeks.

Gwen your post right before this was calling out someone mad about Byleth on the day of the reveal.

 

[Idon]

I swear the It's Springman/ It's not Springman discussion is exactly like the Fire Emblem Three Houses representative discussion except instead of the 3 Lords, it's just like 4 other girls.

And just like that conversation, it's probably just going to be the main character.

 

[Guynamednelson]

4 other girls

Max Brass is best waifu.

 

[Deleted member]

I'll judge Spring Man when I'll see him in action. The very thought of an ARMs character is hard to imagine because we're taking a barebone 3d fighting game and putting it into a faster 2d game. That itself has me curious regardless if it's Spring Man.

Realistically, I probably wont main the character regardless of who it is, so I'm just here for the ride. Just go play other games y'all. I got done with the incredible DMC 5 yesterday and now I'm sinking my teeth into Nier Automata. Both great games and worth your time.

 

[The Rhythm Theif]

Max Brass is best waifu.

Umm... when Idon said "four other girls", it's clear he was talking about Ribbon Girl, Mechanica, Min Min, and Twintelle.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

I swear the It's Springman/ It's not Springman discussion is exactly like the Fire Emblem Three Houses representative discussion except instead of the 3 Lords, it's just like 4 other girls.

And just like that conversation, it's probably just going to be the main character.

wouldn't be smash speculation without there being an easy or popular answer that people find every excuse under the sun to viciously hate

 

[Deleted member]

I swear the It's Springman/ It's not Springman discussion is exactly like the Fire Emblem Three Houses representative discussion except instead of the 3 Lords, it's just like 4 other girls.

And just like that conversation, it's probably just going to be the main character.

Ngl I like this more because Three Houses debates ends up getting weirdly political and the Smash community hates FE, while this is more like cheering for your favorite wrestler or something.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Ngl I like this more because Three Houses debates ends up getting weirdly political while this is more like cheering for your favorite wrestler or something.

three houses: where do you land on the political alignment chart
ARMS: what your favrit colour

 

[Hinata]

Ngl I like this more because Three Houses debates ends up getting weirdly political and the Smash community hates FE, while this is more like cheering for your favorite wrestler or something.

The smash community right now.

 

[Deleted member]

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The smash community right now.

I hate this post because I'm in it.

 

[Hinata]

I hate this post.

You hate it because you know it's true.