Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Cosmic77]

I don't know if anyone suggested this yet, but maybe the reason why Nintendo didn't reveal the ARMS character is because the reveal trailer wasn't ready. Aside from Mewtwo, every DLC character we've ever gotten in Smash was first revealed to us in a trailer. If the trailer wasn't quite ready but they still wanted to give us an idea of who the next character was so they could start selling download cards, maybe that's why they revealed the next fighter the way they did.

Showing us all 15 fighters together may have caused a lot of people to expect someone other than Spring Man, but I guess that was unavoidable. As long as we knew what franchise was getting the next character, people would speculate beyond the face of the series anyway.

 

[Calamitas]

Interpret this any way you want
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That's what you mfers sound like

Oh my god. . .

Fun fact: I made that image a couple of years ago, as part of a **** post on the Hubba tester thingy in Fire Emblem Awakening. I should have the original in not-f'd up quality lying around somewhere.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I don't know if anyone suggested this yet, but maybe the reason why Nintendo didn't reveal the ARMS character is because the reveal trailer wasn't ready. Aside from Mewtwo, every DLC character we've ever gotten in Smash was first revealed to us in a trailer. If the trailer wasn't quite ready but they still wanted to give us an idea of who the next character was so they could start selling download cards, maybe that's why they revealed the character the way they did.

Showing us all 15 fighters together may have caused a lot of people to expect someone other than Spring Man, but I guess that was unavoidable. As long as we knew what franchise was getting the next character, people would speculate beyond the face of the series anyway.

Love how this explained why we were denied a render which would have shown the character. Thank you for the wisdom

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Wait...

Its all coming together. Said ARMS tournament was called Final Party Crash.

Next character is an ARMS rep and supposedly were also getting FP7 during digital E3.

The year when Ridley was revealed that April Fools was RidleyBoards and this year was CrashBoards...

It all adds up! FP7 and our E3 will be Crash Bandicoot!

Gosh I hope so. It would absolutely suck to see ARMS being the only fighter they show during E3.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Gosh I hope so. It would absolutely suck to see ARMS being the only fighter they show during E3.

hero and banjo were shown back to back so i think they'll do another double reveal to ensure almost everyone is satisfied

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Love how this explained why we were denied a render which would have shown the character. Thank you for the wisdom

Maybe they didn't finish it yet?

Also, is there an ARMS character you're rooting for or is your mindset just "screw 'Colgate boy' in particular"?

 

[Cosmic77]

Love how this explained why we were denied a render which would have shown the character. Thank you for the wisdom

And I love how you felt the need to toss in another one of your trademark, passive-aggressive remarks when I was just tossing in an idea.

But to respond to your point, Joker and Terry's render was revealed to us after we got a full animated trailer. If they wanted to wait for a proper reveal for this ARMS character, they wouldn't bother showing us a render before the trailer.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Maybe they didn't finish it yet?

Also, is there an ARMS character you're rooting for or is your mindset just "screw 'Colgate boy' in particular"?

How the **** do you NOT have a render of a character in less than 3 months when those renders are used ingame.

**** this bland ass toothpaste head for being the most likely choice despite "IT COULD BE ANYONE".

And I love how you felt the need to toss in another one of your trademark, passive-aggressive remarks when I was just tossing in an idea.

But to respond to your point, Joker and Terry's render was revealed to us after we got a full animated trailer. If they wanted to wait for a proper reveal for this ARMS character, they wouldn't bother showing us a render before the trailer.

That's not an excuse because now people are just going to get their expectations up and shattered because turns out not all 15 characters will join the battle, even if they pull a Hero, revealing the main fighter early on let's people talk about the main fighter and then have the trailer showcase the alts after the main gameplay portion to go "Look, turns out it isn't just Spring Man!". This was just handled poorly, so much so that it will literally be the worst way to reveal a Smash character in history

 

[I.D.]

That's not an excuse because now people are just going to get their expectations up and shattered because turns out not all 15 characters will join the battle, even if they pull a Hero, revealing the main fighter early on let's people talk about the main fighter and then have the trailer showcase the alts after the main gameplay portion to go "Look, turns out it isn't just Spring Man!". This was just handled poorly, so much so that it will literally be the worst way to reveal a Smash character in history

It's touching that you are so very concerned about the hopes of fans of a game you obviously despise.

 

[N3ON]

Gwen you do a lot of complaining for someone who make fun of people who complain.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

How the **** do you NOT have a render of a character in less than 3 months when those renders are used ingame.

Probably because the secret pet salamander that they keep in the basement turned purple yesterday. Nintendo works in ways we cannot understand with our puny minds.

I feel like I should point out that I'm only half serious...

This was just handled poorly, so much so that it will literally be the worst way to reveal a Smash character in history

I agree with you on that. This is the only reveal to ever make me like the idea of a character less.

EDIT: And I quite liked it before so that's an accomplishment, though not a compliment.

 

[Schnee117]

NRS really did be spoiling fans by announcing Spawn, Sindel and Nightwolf as DLC with just their names.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It's touching that you are so very concerned about the hopes of fans of a game you obviously despise.

Dude going "WHO COULD IT BE" ****ing sucks regardless of the franchise

Gwen you do a lot of complaining for someone who make fun of people who complain.

I'm complaining because they're trying to stretch out their mystery DLC for 5 months after selling it and by trying to preserve the mystery and telling people to **** off for another few months is just taking the piss

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I'm complaining because they're trying to stretch out their mystery DLC for 5 months after selling it and by trying to preserve the mystery and telling people to **** off for another few months is just taking the piss

COVID-19 probably halted development hence why they didn't say who it was and only where the character was from.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

COVID-19 probably halted development hence why they didn't say who it was and only where the character was from.

That's bull**** if they genuinely couldn't have finished their official render 3 months before release. I'm not an artist but there's no ****ing way they don't get that **** done early on

 

[Michael the Spikester]

That's bull**** if they genuinely couldn't have finished their official render 3 months before release. I'm not an artist but there's no ****ing way they don't get that **** done early on

LMAO how the tides has taken a turn.

What's with the extensive cursing btw? Sleep on the wrong side of bed?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

LMAO how the tides have turned.

The **** do you mean, making a render isn't a lengthworthy process AT ALL in comparison to literally every other aspect of the character and their stage. If the character and stage are far enough that they can confidently say "This is out in 3 months despite the pandemic slowing down development quite a bit", then they have a render ready because they use those renders IN THE GAME.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Having the render ready means nothing. They have a model of "trailer first, render second". If they want to stick with the model, and never change how it works, that makes sense. It's just being consistent.

The issue is they should've had a short trailer right away or not outright tell us it's from ARMS. However, considering they used this to help get the game in the spotlight, it worked pretty well. I don't agree with waiting this long for more information, but they had a somewhat good ideagoing.

 

[MrElectroG64]

Hey everyone. I just now cobbled together a quick little image that shows how even some of the most unlikeliest of characters can actually be alternate costumes of Springman! I'm a fairly firm believer that the ARMS fighter will indeed be Springman with at least a few of the other ARMS characters as alts, namely Ribbon Girl, Ninjara and Min Min. That being said, we could also get a fighter more in line with Bowser Jr., in that every single palette swap for the fighter is an alternate costume for a totally different character! I already listed who some of them could be in a post a while ago, being: Ribbon, Ninjara, Min Min, Byte, Lola Pop, Misango, Springtron and Coyle, with Springman as the base, of course, but I also suggested the idea that some of the characters whose models might not work 1-1 with springman's skeleton right off the bat could actually be altered in some ways in order to fit in well enough to look good as an alt for him. Well, this image is exactly that!

Here's a link to it on Flickr, since Smashboards likely won't let you view it at its full size and resolution here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/184893183@N07/49729021982/in/dateposted-public/


I know it won't be a very popular opinion to have all eight palette swaps be totally different alternate costumes, however I merely wanted to detail that it could actually be possible as an option for an ARMS fighter! At least, more possible than many might have thought. I recognize that if characters like Helix, Dr. Coyle or Lola wouldn't be able to use their special abilities at all as alts, but honestly, with how crowded and complicated the ARMS character will inevitably be already, I doubt any kind of special ability would really be added to an ARMS character's moveset at ALL, unless its one of the more simple ones, like Springman or Ribbon Girl's. Abilities like Helix's would more than likely bar him from being playable on his own at all...

Anyways, let me know what you guys think of it! Also, sorry for any spelling or grammatical errors if you find any, I usually make these kinds of images on my phone when I'm bored, and you know how phone keyboards are lol.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Its official. Cutie Gwen has broken herself.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Nintendo naming the series and not the character.
Expected Reaction:
"This is interesting! I wonder who they'll pick."
"Who knows, but I'll be hyped regardless!"

Actual Reaction:
"It's probably Spring Man."
"Imma be pissed if they strung us along for the boring & predictable pick!"
"Perhaps it'll be a conglomerate character."
"Then they all lose part of their identity!"
"Gosh darn it! Now this is all we're going to discuss for three months!"

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Its official. Cutie Gwen has broke.

It's official. Mike the Yike has proven once again that he cannot read anything

Having the render ready means nothing. They have a model of "trailer first, render second". If they want to stick with the model, and never change how it works, that makes sense. It's just being consistent.

The issue is they should've had a short trailer right away or not outright tell us it's from ARMS. However, considering they used this to help get the game in the spotlight, it worked pretty well. I don't agree with waiting this long for more information, but they had a somewhat good ideagoing.

They've shown they're willing to compromise before by showing nothing of Joker back in December other than the teaser and nothing but his idle animation in February 2 months before he actually came out. They compromised with Terry by not showing any actual gameplay in his trailer. Nothing's been consistent this DLC cycle at all, remember when Joker's presentation was randomly dropped at 3AM without warning only for everyone else to get a "Watch the presentation later this week" or so? Or how they announced Byleth completely out of the blue a few weeks before release unlike the others?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

It's official. Mike the Yike has proven once again that he cannot read anything

That's rich coming from someone suddenly complaining when I've at times done it.

 

[MrElectroG64]

Nintendo naming the series and not the character.
Expected Reaction:
"This is interesting! I wonder who they'll pick."
"Who knows, but I'll be hyped regardless!"

Actual Reaction:
"It's probably Spring Man."
"Imma be pissed if they strung us along for the boring & predictable pick!"
"Perhaps it'll be a conglomerate character."
"Then they all lose part of their identity!"
"Gosh darn it! Now this is all we're going to discuss for three months!"

doesn't the majority of what you listed for "actual reaction" just fall under "this is interesting! I wonder who they'll pick?" lol

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Hey everyone. I just now cobbled together a quick little image that shows how even some of the most unlikeliest of characters can actually be alternate costumes of Springman! I'm a fairly firm believer that the ARMS fighter will indeed be Springman with at least a few of the other ARMS characters as alts, namely Ribbon Girl, Ninjara and Min Min. That being said, we could also get a fighter more in line with Bowser Jr., in that every single palette swap for the fighter is an alternate costume for a totally different character! I already listed who some of them could be in a post a while ago, being: Ribbon, Ninjara, Min Min, Byte, Lola Pop, Misango, Springtron and Coyle, with Springman as the base, of course, but I also suggested the idea that some of the characters whose models might not work 1-1 with springman's skeleton right off the bat could actually be altered in some ways in order to fit in well enough to look good as an alt for him. Well, this image is exactly that!

Smash Fans: "This character is not for good boys an girls. Disconfirmed. What? No you can't just alter her outfit!"
Also Smash Fans: "Lemme squish these characters into this body type real quick..."

doesn't the majority of what you listed for "actual reaction" just fall under "this is interesting! I wonder who they'll pick?" lol

I suppose, but it's far less positive.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

That's rich coming from someone suddenly complaining when I've at times done it.

This is the second time you implied I'm a hypocrite in the span of 5 minutes which has LITERALLY NOTHING to do with how it's obvious you didn't read the post in question, which you called me a hypocrite for not buying that they don't have a render ready at the studio 3 months away from release

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Nintendo naming the series and not the character.
Expected Reaction:
"This is interesting! I wonder who they'll pick."
"Who knows, but I'll be hyped regardless!"

Actual Reaction:
"It's probably Spring Man."
"Imma be pissed if they strung us along for the boring & predictable pick!"
"Perhaps it'll be a conglomerate character."
"Then they all lose part of their identity!"
"Gosh darn it! Now this is all we're going to discuss for three months!"

Don't forget this one!

https://www.reddit.com/r/SmashBrosUltimate/comments/fsm9io

 

[MrElectroG64]

Smash Fans: "This character is not for good boys an girls. Disconfirmed. What? No you can't just alter her outfit!"
Also Smash Fans: "Lemme squish these characters into this body type real quick..."

Well, I mean, worked for the Koopalings. besides, this is just altering some proportions. In the case of "good boys and girls," they'd have to give her a totally different design to cover her up more, in addition to changing around some of those "proportions" if you know what I mean

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Smash Fans: "This character is not for good boys an girls. Disconfirmed. What? No you can't just alter her outfit!"
Also Smash Fans: "Lemme squish these characters into this body type real quick..."

I mean, your speaking as if those two groups are exactly the same person. There can be different people with different opinions that only agree with one of those two.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Don't forget this one!

https://www.reddit.com/r/SmashBrosUltimate/comments/fsm9io

I'm so tired of Nintendo purists acting like they're oppressed where a good 90% of the game's content is Nintendo

 

[Cosmic77]

Oh well. At least people are showing some passion for ARMS.

Don't forget this one!

https://www.reddit.com/r/SmashBrosUltimate/comments/fsm9io

Man Ray: "GAH!! You butterfingered pink thing!! What characters are in your wishlist anyway?!"

Patrick: "Waluigi."

Man Ray: "GAAAAAAAH!!!"

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I'm so tired of Nintendo purists acting like they're oppressed where a good 90% of the game's content is Nintendo

Half the characters in my signature are 3rd Party buddy. I'm not so much a Nintendo purist as I am against any group that tries to shut out either 1st or 3rd Parties as a whole from speculation but go off I guess.

 

[MrElectroG64]

I'm so tired of Nintendo purists acting like they're oppressed where a good 90% of the game's content is Nintendo

The game wasn't exactly made to be for Third Parties. This was always meant to be a Nintendo-centric game/series. In addition, most Third Party fans look down upon any and all who want first party characters, purely because they wouldn't be exciting enough, knowing damn well they wouldn't play the game or the character for more than a week before dropping it and returning to the internet to ****post about who will get in next (for example: Conker fans wanting him right after we got Banjo, talking about how "now that banjo is in, we NEED conker!").

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Half the characters in my signature are 3rd Party buddy. I'm not so much a Nintendo purist as I am against both groups that think the DLC should only be 1st or 3rd Parties but go off I guess.

My bad, I'm on mobile so signatures don't show up. It's just that they all post **** like that all the time, whining about the lack of Nintendo characters right after getting characters that cater exclusively to Nintendo fans multiple times

 

[Guynamednelson]

Hey everyone. I just now cobbled together a quick little image that shows how even some of the most unlikeliest of characters can actually be alternate costumes of Springman! I'm a fairly firm believer that the ARMS fighter will indeed be Springman with at least a few of the other ARMS characters as alts, namely Ribbon Girl, Ninjara and Min Min. That being said, we could also get a fighter more in line with Bowser Jr., in that every single palette swap for the fighter is an alternate costume for a totally different character! I already listed who some of them could be in a post a while ago, being: Ribbon, Ninjara, Min Min, Byte, Lola Pop, Misango, Springtron and Coyle, with Springman as the base, of course, but I also suggested the idea that some of the characters whose models might not work 1-1 with springman's skeleton right off the bat could actually be altered in some ways in order to fit in well enough to look good as an alt for him. Well, this image is exactly that!

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Here's a link to it on Flickr, since Smashboards likely won't let you view it at its full size and resolution here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/184893183@N07/49729021982/in/dateposted-public/


I know it won't be a very popular opinion to have all eight palette swaps be totally different alternate costumes, however I merely wanted to detail that it could actually be possible as an option for an ARMS fighter! At least, more possible than many might have thought. I recognize that if characters like Helix, Dr. Coyle or Lola wouldn't be able to use their special abilities at all as alts, but honestly, with how crowded and complicated the ARMS character will inevitably be already, I doubt any kind of special ability would really be added to an ARMS character's moveset at ALL, unless its one of the more simple ones, like Springman or Ribbon Girl's. Abilities like Helix's would more than likely bar him from being playable on his own at all...

Anyways, let me know what you guys think of it! Also, sorry for any spelling or grammatical errors if you find any, I usually make these kinds of images on my phone when I'm bored, and you know how phone keyboards are lol.

I'm sorry but that image makes me not want Helix to be one of the alts.

Half the characters in my signature are 3rd Party buddy.

Nintendo owns the rights to Astral Chain, right? If so you are indeed correct, half of them are third parties.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

They've shown they're willing to compromise before by showing nothing of Joker back in December other than the teaser and nothing but his idle animation in February 2 months before he actually came out. They compromised with Terry by not showing any actual gameplay in his trailer. Nothing's been consistent this DLC cycle at all, remember when Joker's presentation was randomly dropped at 3AM without warning only for everyone else to get a "Watch the presentation later this week" or so? Or how they announced Byleth completely out of the blue a few weeks before release unlike the others?

No, they showed a kind of Trailer for Joker way before any kind of idle animations. The Game Awards thing is his actual original reveal, and that was way earlier than planned anyway. So they still showed something well before the render. They've never once shown the render before the character trailer or full reveal(Joker was slightly different from the others due to a unique TGA announcement). So they showed quite a bit compared to here. But the main character reveal, whether it's a gameplay trailer or not, was always before the render. Joker is somewhat special, but there was no need to show his gameplay trailer since those are usually to announce a character first. His gameplay trailer was moved to the full presentation instead later on. It being shadowdropped was weird, but DLC is weird as is. They aren't consistent outside of "reveal video of sort first, then render" anyway.

Besides that, the delays aren't a big deal. I'd expect some delays with a deadly pandemic going around and frankly, they can take as much time as needed to keep safe. If that means people are working from home computers(which does mean uploading files to show them to other teammates take more time than just doing it all together in a single room), so be it. I don't see a single issue waiting longer than normal as to keep things as healthy as possible and prevent as much spreading of the virus. Some things are wroth waiting for. I get the displeasure too. But we do know delays in general for Nintendo is because of COVID19. I really have the utmost sympathy for the situation and I hardly care that we need to wait a bit longer than normal to get it done. I don't think there's a remote problem with that at all. I encourage them to keep a health mindset first and foremost. Though I can admit I found the mini-direct not terribly interesting, but it's not like it appealed much to what I care more about, so eh. Different strokes for different blokes, etc.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

My bad, I'm on mobile so signatures don't show up. It's just that they all post **** like that all the time, whining about the lack of Nintendo characters right after getting characters that cater exclusively to Nintendo fans multiple times

But Cutie Gweeeeen! It doesn't count if I don't care about the character. When are they going to add my boy Flying Man?

 

[Cosmic77]

I pointed this out about a week ago, but look at the past 15 unique characters starting at Byleth and going backwards.

First-party:
Third-party:

For a series that's always put most of it's attention on first-parties, this is some pretty good third-party representation. It's fine if you naturally prefer third-parties, but I don't think it's fair to be disgusted by more Nintendo characters when we're currently getting third-parties at an almost equal rate.

 

[MrElectroG64]

I'm sorry but that image makes me not want Helix to be one of the alts.

Nintendo owns the rights to Astral Chain, right? If so you are indeed correct, half of them are third parties.

that's understandable lol. Was it due to a lack of his ability, or the look of him with the altered proportions? either way it was merely to demonstrate that something similar would be possible. I kinda doubt Helix would be playable, especially as his own character. In fact, he'd either be part of a stage (likely his own) or even the replacement for Springman's assist trophy if Sakurai is feeling extra generous (Which is honestly something I wouldn't rule out him doing).

 

[Cutie Gwen]

The game wasn't exactly made to be for Third Parties. This was always meant to be a Nintendo-centric game/series. In addition, most Third Party fans look down upon any and all who want first party characters, purely because they wouldn't be exciting enough, knowing damn well they wouldn't play the game or the character for more than a week before dropping it and returning to the internet to ****post about who will get in next (for example: Conker fans wanting him right after we got Banjo, talking about how "now that banjo is in, we NEED conker!").

Idk man, 64's literally the only game where third party stuff wasn't strongly considered, Nintendo purists whined about the lack of Nintendo-centric DLC after Dragon Quest, a mostly Nintendo franchise and Banjo, a franchise only Nintendo fans like. Then we get Byleth but then people go "WE SHOULD HAVE HAD AN ICE CLIMBER REP INSTEAD"

No, they showed a kind of Trailer for Joker way before any kind of idle animations. The Game Awards thing is his actual original reveal, and that was way earlier than planned anyway. So they still showed something well before the render. They've never once shown the render before the character trailer or full reveal(Joker was slightly different from the others due to a unique TGA announcement). So they showed quite a bit compared to here. But the main character reveal, whether it's a gameplay trailer or not, was always before the render. Joker is somewhat special, but there was no need to show his gameplay trailer since those are usually to announce a character first. His gameplay trailer was moved to the full presentation instead later on. It being shadowdropped was weird, but DLC is weird as is. They aren't consistent outside of "reveal video of sort first, then render" anyway.

Besides that, the delays aren't a big deal. I'd expect some delays with a deadly pandemic going around and frankly, they can take as much time as needed to keep safe. If that means people are working from home computers(which does mean uploading files to show them to other teammates take more time than just doing it all together in a single room), so be it. I don't see a single issue waiting longer than normal as to keep things as healthy as possible and prevent as much spreading of the virus. Some things are wroth waiting for. I get the displeasure too. But we do know delays in general for Nintendo is because of COVID19. I really have the utmost sympathy for the situation and I hardly care that we need to wait a bit longer than normal to get it done. I don't think there's a remote problem with that at all. I encourage them to keep a health mindset first and foremost. Though I can admit I found the mini-direct not terribly interesting, but it's not like it appealed much to what I care more about, so eh. Different strokes for different blokes, etc.

That's what I said, go back to the post I said that and notice how I said Joker's teaser was in December while February only showed his idle animation. My point is that they've barely been consistent so saying they chose not to tell people what they've been able to spend money on until 5 months later for consistency isn't going to cut it.

The hell are you on about with delays, I'm not talking about delays, I'm saying I'm annoyed that we're getting 3 months of the exact same topic over and over every goddamn day with no possible variety in the topic when this could have been avoided entirely and how there's a chance they pulled a "WHO COULD IT POSSIBLY BE" only to go "Oh my, the protagonist! I bet nobody saw the protagonist coming!"