Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[cosmicB]

Honestly, I don't think that's really a deconfirmation or anything. It doesn't help, but not meeting in person doesn't mean they couldn't had interacted in other ways.
I mean maybe I'm missing something but I don't think Sakurai visited Square Enix HQ frequently while working on Hero, to say something.

And while Yoko Taro is of course the creator, even if he gave permission to Sakurai to use 2B in Smash, the final decision is up to Square Enix as a company because they own the character. I mean, Nomura and Sakurai are friends AFAIK and yet we don't have any FF7 spirits when Nomura was the main designer of that game.
Also, obviously it wouldn't be the first time for Sakurai and Nintendo to negotiate for a Square character, so if they want 2B (or Geno, Lara Croft, etc) I guess they would probably start things talking with someone else at Square Enix, probably a high executive like Yosuke Saito. It doesn't have to start with Yoko Taro himself.

I do think people make a lot of assumptions about Sakurai like "he wouldn't do this" and whatnot, which can absolutely color people's speculation. That said, there are certainly some extrapolations we can make based on past comments.

For example, the K.Rool rebuttal with his creator not knowing about it. The reason that doesn't really work is the guy had nothing to do with the franchise by this point, he's a first party character, and the creation is entirely on the western side. We already know that Sakurai has more trouble working with western developers due to the language barrier based on his comments around Kirkhope. So that right there is a massive knock against the comparison.

As far as 2B is concerned, we assume Sakurai would want to contact Yoko Taro first for one reason; he's a big fan of Nier Automata. People kind of see him as this Weird Al-like figure that's not only getting permission from the original creator just to get them in, but also out of respect for the products and his absolute love of video games in general. I think it's a fair assumption, but that's not something we can know for sure. He absolutely could have just talked to Saito, who may have tried to push the character in the past and Sakurai accepted while wanting to meet the creator later (which he likely would have wanted to do whether 2B was in or not).

Basically, this lowers 2B's chances based on a lot of (valid) fan assumptions, but it doesn't kill them outright.

 

[pinshadow]

The Sakurai/Taro thing is pretty interesting, when you actually examine what the process seems to be for the DLC this time around

1. Company shows interest in Smash/Nintendo has interest in a specific character
2. Nintendo chooses characters, tells Sakurai who they want
3. Sakurai then pitches the idea to the third parties officially himself

Based on what is said in these interviews
https://www.thegamer.com/sakurai-invite-joker-smash-bros-persona-5-port/
https://nintendoeverything.com/rare-on-how-banjo-kazooie-made-it-into-super-smash-bros-ultimate/
https://www.nintendoenthusiast.com/...-bros-ultimate-square-enix-dragon-quest-xi-s/

I'm not really sure if it's the same for every character, for someone like Hero it seems like having Dragon Quest in Smash came from Nintendo and not Square, and they had to pitch the idea to them first. Meanwhile for Banjo it's not really clear whether it was Rare or Nintendo's idea to have Banjo in the game in the first place.

As for 2B though, Sakurai never meeting with Taro beforehand isn't a death sentence but it doesn't look good. It's clear that with third parties he likes to get input from the other side when he can, Yuji Horii seemed to have some level of control over Hero in the game and the Rare team made it clear they shared alot of stuff with Nintendo over the course of the year. Yoko Taro apparently worked with the Soul Caliber team with 2B in that game so I doubt he wouldn't want to help here. I guess she could be coming later in the pass but A. All of the characters were already decided by December, and Sakurai would have almost certainly pitched 2B to Square by this point if she was planned, and B. another Square character feels more likely for the first half of the pass anyway just given the idea that previous third-parties would be easier to negotiate with than a new company like Activision.

 

[N3ON]

Dang, I've gotta post my updated idealized-but-still-halfway-realistic fighter pass before another character I like gets (all but) deconfirmed. Already had to swap Doom Slayer out. Shame too, because out of anyone, he was too pure for this world. ଘ(੭*ˊᵕˋ)੭

But, yeah, now Mister Chef is there. Also reordered the fighters, so Travis can somewhat preempt his release, and MC and 2B (who I figure would cause the most hype) would coincide with E3s 2020 and 2021 respectively. Well Waluigi would also cause a ruckus, but, as a rule, he is last.

Oh and I also made corresponding Mii waves.

I'd say the most realistic part of this whole thing is the overabundance of swords.

If you've any feedback, please express it more meaningfully than just a number, thanks.

 

[Faso115]

Random tangent: I think the most asinine part about the Cacomallow like is that for some reason the leaker also included a call back to the Ken leak by making him taunt with his thumbs up pose.

lol why would you even do that? Taunting the ninjas will only make you more obvious, it's looking like that thing is super fake

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Sakurai met Yoko Taro for the first time on Christmas Day of last year which is after the lineup of FP2 has been decided. Sakurai only met Yoko's wife before that.

yoko is married? I didnt know that. The more I know

 

[SNEKeater]

I do think people make a lot of assumptions about Sakurai like "he wouldn't do this" and whatnot, which can absolutely color people's speculation. That said, there are certainly some extrapolations we can make based on past comments.

For example, the K.Rool rebuttal with his creator not knowing about it. The reason that doesn't really work is the guy had nothing to do with the franchise by this point, he's a first party character, and the creation is entirely on the western side. We already know that Sakurai has more trouble working with western developers due to the language barrier based on his comments around Kirkhope. So that right there is a massive knock against the comparison.

As far as 2B is concerned, we assume Sakurai would want to contact Yoko Taro first for one reason; he's a big fan of Nier Automata. People kind of see him as this Weird Al-like figure that's not only getting permission from the original creator just to get them in, but also out of respect for the products and his absolute love of video games in general. I think it's a fair assumption, but that's not something we can know for sure. He absolutely could have just talked to Saito, who may have tried to push the character in the past and Sakurai accepted while wanting to meet the creator later (which he likely would have wanted to do whether 2B was in or not).

Basically, this lowers 2B's chances based on a lot of (valid) fan assumptions, but it doesn't kill them outright.

I completely agree.

For my understanding, 2B could have been chosed while Sakurai and Taro would meet to discuss about her Smash incarnation after that livestream where both appeared.

I don't see at all a deconfirmation for the character. Both could meet after choosing the characters for pass 2. I can see all of this a problem for 2B if she's the next, maybe fighter 7 as well if we assume they're working on multiple characters at the same time, but if she's fighter 8-11 I don't see this as an obstacle, if I'm honest.

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

Dang, I've gotta post my updated idealized-but-still-halfway-realistic fighter pass before another character I like gets (all but) deconfirmed. Already had to swap Doom Slayer out. Shame too, because out of anyone, he was too pure for this world. ଘ(੭*ˊᵕˋ)੭

But, yeah, now Mister Chef is there. Also reordered the fighters, so Travis can somewhat preempt his release, and MC and 2B (who I figure would cause the most hype) would coincide with E3s 2020 and 2021 respectively. Well Waluigi would also cause a ruckus, but, as a rule, he is last.

Oh and I also made corresponding Mii waves.

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I'd say the most realistic part of this whole thing is the overabundance of swords.

If you've any feedback, please express it more meaningfully than just a number, thanks.

Pretty good pass overall, I feel like having 2 female androids is kind of odd but eh.

Cool selection on the Mii fighters, but oof I'd go insane waiting for Layton only for him to be Mii Costumed at the very last update.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Pretty good pass overall, I feel like having 2 female androids is kind of odd but eh.

Cool selection on the Mii fighters, but oof I'd go insane waiting for Layton only for him to be Mii Costumed at the very last update.

Pretty good pass overall, I feel like having 2 female androids is kind of odd awesome but eh.

FTFY

 

[Hikraki]

This is probably a stupid question but does Don Chan have any original music from the games to be put into smash?

Yes, there is plenty of Namco original music featured in Taiko. It's actually a quite large genre within the game.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I see the logic in why one might think 2B isn't in the game, but I don't really think there's enough evidence to suggest that she's out entirely and not just later in the pass.

Having read the three articles that pinshadow posted, while they do provide interesting information regarding the process with 3rd party collaborators, it doesn't say much about timing of the meetings in relation to when the characters were revealed/released.

I would imagine that Sakurai would absolutely meet with Yoko Taro when it comes to developing and designing the character, but we're looking at...6 characters over the course of nearly two years. I would find it hard to believe that Sakurai would meet with a collaborator that far ahead of time when the team is focused on no more than 3 fighters at a time.

That said, folks involved with Banjo-Kazooie were in communication for quite some time according to the article. As I said before, I'm willing to agree that the fact they met for the first time there is true. I just don't really think it's fair to say she's out of the running just yet however, at least not until we have more information.

Speaking of more information, did we ever get anything about Terry aside from getting the amount of music? I can't remember.

 

[Knight Dude]

I wanted Terry or Haohmaru, and yet everyone was up the ass about screaming it's Nakoruru because of birds.

Just birds.

That's it, just because she had a bird.

If I'm gonna be honest, I was gonna real disappointed if it somehow was Nakoruru over Terry. Heck even Haohmaru or Kyo would have been a bit disappointing for me too. I figured that one leak was likely fake, but I was happy to find out we got the Legendary Hungry Wolf instead.

 

[SNEKeater]

I don't recall interesting info about the negotiations between Sakurai/Nintendo and Sakurai, excluding of course the 50 songs that Sakurai himself mentioned in Terry's presentation.
I'd like to know more about that, but I don't remember Sakurai talking about it in Famitsu.

If I'm gonna be honest, I was gonna real disappointed if it somehow was Nakoruru over Terry. Heck even Haohmaru or Kyo would have been a bit disappointing for me too. I figured that one leak was likely fake, but I was happy to find out we got the Legendary Hungry Wolf instead.

When it comes to rep SNK as a whole I don't think there's a better option than Terry, and after him Kyo Kusanagi and a Metal Slug character would probably be the best choices to rep SNK. Expecting Haohmaru or Nakoruru over them was very delusional.
It doesn't help that there was some people in the internet going with Nakoruru and Mai when the SNK leak pop up only because waifus.

 

[Knight Dude]

I don't recall interesting info about the negotiations between Sakurai/Nintendo and Sakurai, excluding of course the 50 songs that Sakurai himself mentioned in Terry's presentation.
I'd like to know more about that, but I don't remember Sakurai talking about it in Famitsu.



When it comes to rep SNK as a whole I don't think there's a better option than Terry, and after him Kyo Kusanagi and a Metal Slug character would probably be the best choices to rep SNK. Expecting Haohmaru or Nakoruru over them was very delusional.
It doesn't help that there was some people in the internet going with Nakoruru and Mai when the SNK leak pop up only because waifus.

There was a leak that mentioned a female character who used a bird as a projectile, I think that's why many expected Nakoruru. Not too many other characters that fit the bill I don't think. But yeah, even if the game was for bad boys and girls, no way in hell was Mai happening before either Terry or Kyo.

 

[Deleted member]

Dang, I've gotta post my updated idealized-but-still-halfway-realistic fighter pass before another character I like gets (all but) deconfirmed. Already had to swap Doom Slayer out. Shame too, because out of anyone, he was too pure for this world. ଘ(੭*ˊᵕˋ)੭

But, yeah, now Mister Chef is there. Also reordered the fighters, so Travis can somewhat preempt his release, and MC and 2B (who I figure would cause the most hype) would coincide with E3s 2020 and 2021 respectively. Well Waluigi would also cause a ruckus, but, as a rule, he is last.

Oh and I also made corresponding Mii waves.

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I'd say the most realistic part of this whole thing is the overabundance of swords.

If you've any feedback, please express it more meaningfully than just a number, thanks.

It's honestly well thought out as far as I care.

Travis brings style, snark, music, and NMH 3 is coming out soon. He's cool, well known, and is topical. Good first pick.

MC is mother-****ing Halo. Anybody in America has probably heard about the series by now, and I prefer the alien future aesthetic of Halo over the overly intense red aesthetic of DOOM.

KOSMOS is just cool. Robo android with miniguns and energy swords is a badass concept. Her design hits the right notes for me too, if a bit too skimpy in areas.

Amaterasu isn't my preferred Capcom rep (Street Fighter or Viewtiful Joe plz), but she was fun in UMVC3. Plus an Okami world would look ****ing beautiful with the caligraphy artstyle.

2B's cool. I need to play Nier Au-tomato

Waluigi. Divisive for sure. It's a first party after a slew of third parties, it's another Mario rep, and it isn't even Geno. Similar to Byleth, I'd need to see his moveset before giving my opinion on him, and unlike Byleth, I don't give a **** about Waluigi inherently.

 

[Flyboy]

This is probably a stupid question but does Don Chan have any original music from the games to be put into smash?

Yes! Tons of amazing tracks, such as this one:

One of my favorites.

DaybreakHorizon wrote a really nice post about Don-chan before fighter pass 2 was revealed. I recommend checking it out!

 

[SNEKeater]

There was a leak that mentioned a female character who used a bird as a projectile, I think that's why many expected Nakoruru. Not too many other characters that fit the bill I don't think. But yeah, even if the game was for bad boys and girls, no way in hell was Mai happening before either Terry or Kyo.

That's true. I forgot about that leak.

 

[Arcadenik]

Imagine

You get to name whatever 6 characters you want for fighter pass 2, but the first 3 characters have to be non-specific nouns like they were in the first fighter pass (Joker, Hero, Banjo)

I'll start:

Nightmare (Soul Calibur)
Crash (Crash Bandicoot)
Zero (Mega Man X)
Waluigi
Doom Slayer
Dante

Non-specific nouns? Hmm...

Toad (Mario series)
Tingle (Zelda series)
Scorpion (Mortal Kombat series)

Meowth & Team Rocket (Pokemon series)
Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong series)
Amaterasu (Okami series)

Well, that and the fact that I think Smash needs more villains.

More villains would be nice.

Waluigi (Mario series)
Birdo (Mario series)
Ganon (Zelda series)
Skull Kid (Zelda series)
Kamek (Yoshi series / Mario series)
Shy Guy (Yoshi series / Mario series)
Meowth & Team Rocket (Pokemon series)
Porky (EarthBound series)
Medusa (Kid Icarus series)
Octoling (Splatoon series)

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Yes! Tons of amazing tracks, such as this one:

 

[Michael the Spikester]

There was a leak that mentioned a female character who used a bird as a projectile, I think that's why many expected Nakoruru. Not too many other characters that fit the bill I don't think. But yeah, even if the game was for bad boys and girls, no way in hell was Mai happening before either Terry or Kyo.

Watch it be true actually and turn out to be Ryu Hayabusa in Pass 2.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

That's odd, my last post isn't showing up.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Watch it be true actually and turn out to be Ryu Hayabusa in Pass 2.

Ryu’s a dude tho

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Ryu’s a dude tho

I thought the picture leak was associated with said bird? He has a pet falcon.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Ryu’s a dude tho

Not while Rule 63 is a thing.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I think Smash needs more villains

People will always think this even if a Smash game adds 20 newcomers that are all villains.

 

[P.Kat]

"SMAAAAAASHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!"

Izuku Midoriya for Smash, all my dreams are coming true.

Imagine. You get to name whatever 6 characters you want for fighter pass 2, but the first 3 characters have to be non-specific nouns like they were in the first fighter pass (Joker, Hero, Banjo)

I'll start:

Nightmare (Soul Calibur)
Crash (Crash Bandicoot)
Zero (Mega Man X)
Waluigi
Doom Slayer
Dante

Sora
Sakura
Saber
Amaterasu
Shantae
Elma

 

[PSIGuy]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Looks like that article about Sakurai's health was misinterpreted and Japanese people are noticing.

 

[pinshadow]

There was a problem fetching the tweet

Looks like that article about Sakurai's health was misinterpreted and Japanese people are noticing.

Wow, news sites took a Pushdustin translation out of context to make clickbait articles? Who could have imagined that?

It is interesting that Sakurai straight up replied to the tweet given that he really doesn't talk much on Twitter at all.

 

[krokotopia101]

Dang, I've gotta post my updated idealized-but-still-halfway-realistic fighter pass before another character I like gets (all but) deconfirmed. Already had to swap Doom Slayer out. Shame too, because out of anyone, he was too pure for this world. ଘ(੭*ˊᵕˋ)੭

But, yeah, now Mister Chef is there. Also reordered the fighters, so Travis can somewhat preempt his release, and MC and 2B (who I figure would cause the most hype) would coincide with E3s 2020 and 2021 respectively. Well Waluigi would also cause a ruckus, but, as a rule, he is last.

Oh and I also made corresponding Mii waves.

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I'd say the most realistic part of this whole thing is the overabundance of swords.

If you've any feedback, please express it more meaningfully than just a number, thanks.

Waluigi still a thing? The reception of Byleth's reveal was a chaotic dumsterfire of madness. Imagine the chaos if Waluigi's the last DLC character. And this time, odds are it'll be (if not, it IS) the LAST DLC in Smash Ultimate, entirely. Even hell's gonna quiver.

 

[pinshadow]

Waluigi still a thing? The reception of Byleth's reveal was a chaotic dumsterfire of madness. Imagine the chaos if Waluigi's the last DLC character. And this time, odds are it'll be (if not, it IS) the LAST DLC in Smash Ultimate, entirely. Even hell's gonna quiver.

Why exactly is Waluigi percieved as this super decisive choice? Are we seriously acting like people will have meltdowns if he gets in, on the same level or even worse than Byleth? Seriously, aside something completely, insanely stupid like Goku or Fortnite getting a character, nothing will even come close to Byleth. Byleth was the character I genuinely thought would cause the most butthurt out of the any of the actually feasible characters, by a LONG shot. That's kinda part of the resaon I didn't want them because it was the choice I saw the most people not being happy with in my head, I made posts about wanting 5 just to be someone the community would atleast be lukewarm to and accept, and Byleth was the complete opposite of that.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Waluigi still a thing? The reception of Byleth's reveal was a chaotic dumsterfire of madness. Imagine the chaos if Waluigi's the last DLC character. And this time, odds are it'll be (if not, it IS) the LAST DLC in Smash Ultimate, entirely. Even hell's gonna quiver.

The only chaos Waluigi caused at best was because he wasn't playable. Of course there's some who aren't fans of the idea either way, but there's a huge outcry of people who want him playable.

Byleth is nowhere near comparable, nor were they nearly as requested. Keep in mind Reggie actually noted how big the requests for Waluigi were in public. So yeah, I'd say it'd go over a lot better.

 

[N3ON]

It's not a RE or Astral Chain hard deconfirm, but I certainly think this 2B thing would count as a soft deconfirm. Is it possible she still shows up? Yeah, but it's also possible Doom Slayer still shows up, despite that statement.

Pretty good pass overall, I feel like having 2 female androids is kind of odd but eh.

Cool selection on the Mii fighters, but oof I'd go insane waiting for Layton only for him to be Mii Costumed at the very last update.

I guess, but it's not like they look or would play the same.

I mean the two most celebrated base newcomers were both big reptilian male antagonists.

If I'm gonna be honest, I was gonna real disappointed if it somehow was Nakoruru over Terry. Heck even Haohmaru or Kyo would have been a bit disappointing for me too. I figured that one leak was likely fake, but I was happy to find out we got the Legendary Hungry Wolf instead.

It was just strange people thought they'd actually go with someone far less prolific than Terry, from a far smaller series, who isn't even the series' protagonist, given even Terry is probably the least visible third-party we've received so far.

I know this is a statement rife for potential revisionism, even with the potential leak (of which I was always quite skeptical) but I thought Terry was clearly the only plausible option from SNK. I suppose you could make a case that Kyo had an outside chance, but that's about it imo.

It's honestly well thought out as far as I care.

Travis brings style, snark, music, and NMH 3 is coming out soon. He's cool, well known, and is topical. Good first pick.

MC is mother-****ing Halo. Anybody in America has probably heard about the series by now, and I prefer the alien future aesthetic of Halo over the overly intense red aesthetic of DOOM.

KOSMOS is just cool. Robo android with miniguns and energy swords is a badass concept. Her design hits the right notes for me too, if a bit too skimpy in areas.

Amaterasu isn't my preferred Capcom rep (Street Fighter or Viewtiful Joe plz), but she was fun in UMVC3. Plus an Okami world would look ****ing beautiful with the caligraphy artstyle.

2B's cool. I need to play Nier Au-tomato

Waluigi. Divisive for sure. It's a first party after a slew of third parties, it's another Mario rep, and it isn't even Geno. Similar to Byleth, I'd need to see his moveset before giving my opinion on him, and unlike Byleth, I don't give a **** about Waluigi inherently.

Thanks!

Waluigi still a thing? The reception of Byleth's reveal was a chaotic dumsterfire of madness. Imagine the chaos if Waluigi's the last DLC character. And this time, odds are it'll be (if not, it IS) the LAST DLC in Smash Ultimate, entirely. Even hell's gonna quiver.

You seem under the impression that Waluigi would make a larger group of people more upset than a FE character would've, which seems like misreading the audience.

 

[snowgolem]

What’s happened so far? I’ve been sleeping all day so

 

[krokotopia101]

Then I am misreading the audience completely. I was just under the assumption that Waluigi's addition to the roster would add just as much controversy. At this point, I'm not sure what character reveal would cause chaos anymore.

 

[N3ON]

Then I am misreading the audience completely. I was just under the assumption that Waluigi's addition to the roster would add just as much controversy. At this point, I'm not sure what character reveal would cause chaos anymore.

Perhaps I'm now misreading the audience, but I really don't think Waluigi would cause that much backlash in and of himself. Of course you would have to set aside being the final character, as any character in that position will receive some hate simply by virtue of not being who people hung their hopes on.

Disregarding the closing position though, Waluigi is quite a desired character. Perhaps it doesn't seem that way due to have being hindered by a deconfirmation right off the bat (which in most situations is a nearly fatal setback for popularity), but I'd contend that it's been quite a while since there was more acrimony than sincerity behind the idea of Waluigi. I mean, people haven't had standards in a long time.

But for real, at this point, the "hate" Waluigi gets seems to be that any highly popular character deals with: either people judge the character via their fanbase, which isn't very fair, or they dub the character "overrated", which seems reactionary to me. Truthfully, unlike other popular characters like K. Rool, Ridley, Banjo, Isaac, Geno, etc. I think the more cursory the interest in Smash, the more popular Waluigi becomes. It's almost the reverse of those other examples. If you pull back to just general gamers and intermittent Smash players, the thing you usually hear is, "where's Waluigi?".

 

[wynn728]

Waluigi still a thing? The reception of Byleth's reveal was a chaotic dumsterfire of madness. Imagine the chaos if Waluigi's the last DLC character. And this time, odds are it'll be (if not, it IS) the LAST DLC in Smash Ultimate, entirely. Even hell's gonna quiver.

Another Fire Emblem character is way more likely to be in Fighters Pass Vol 2 than Waluigi ever will be.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Another Fire Emblem character is way more likely to be in Fighters Pass Vol 2 than Waluigi ever will be.

Not necessarily impossible though. Just because the Assist Trophy rule hasn't been broken yet doesn't mean it can't be.

 

[Knight Dude]

The only real way I can see another FE character happening was if they wanted to represent the mobile game in some fashion. The next FE title is probably a ways away, and we got our seemingly obligatory new main FE character in Byleth. With Chrom being an echo/clone who was heavily requested because of his popularity in the series, and getting shot down last time made people want to root for him.

And if we went with popularity, Lyn's an AT, and if that's the case, I doubt any ATs will get upgraded. And if they do, Lyn's got stiff competition as it is. Shadow, Isaac, Knuckles, Zero, Alucard and so on are all pretty popular characters in general. Same goes for Black Knight. And really, Waluigi's the most popular request of these guys. But I can see a few of them being more popular in the general gaming space.

Mind you, I also doubt Waluigi will happen, at least within this game.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Out of curiosity for those who want or think Waluigi will be in, what do you think his stage and music list will be? I guess his stage could be Waluigi pinball (but honestly we already have 2 Mario kart tracks so I'd rather see something else but it could be fun), but what about music?

 

[N3ON]

Another Fire Emblem character is way more likely to be in Fighters Pass Vol 2 than Waluigi ever will be.

I think you should change the stipulation in your sig from just a picture of Waluigi to a picture of Waluigi holding an Assist Trophy.

I mean, since you're so confident.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Waluigi still a thing? The reception of Byleth's reveal was a chaotic dumsterfire of madness. Imagine the chaos if Waluigi's the last DLC character. And this time, odds are it'll be (if not, it IS) the LAST DLC in Smash Ultimate, entirely. Even hell's gonna quiver.

...Would it not be the exact opposite given the negative backlash of him being an assist again?

Especially given the whole talk and hopes of assist promotions.