Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[DaybreakHorizon]

Remember Kasumi (P5R not DoA)? Nobody really talks about her anymore. I think we might be sleeping on her chances.

the jane wars are over

chill noipoi

the jane wars are over chill

 

[Schnee117]

At that point its too close to E3 to even do an Direct so its March or that.

Weren't you saying they'd skip March and have one in April just a week ago?

Remember Kasumi (P5R not DoA)? Nobody really talks about her anymore.

 

[wynn728]

Wait hold on stop. You actually like things from Ultimate? I gotta hear this from the horse's mouth. What do you like about this game?

-The gameplay has been extremely refined when compare to the previous Smash games which makes it a whole lot more fun to play
-The little touches that are added to each characters such as their expressions, how Mario actually has his cape attach to his back for his side-special, Ganondorf's sword, Link able to fire two arrows, Wario's shoulder tackle, and how Olimar's helmet breaks help breath life into the game
-The roster's size is amazing
-Classic Mode is fun again with each character having their own unique route that's personalized to them
-Final Smash being streamed line and having a meter where you can charge up for one is a much needed feature
-The ability to turn off Stage Hazard is a great feature people were begging for in Smash 4
-Stage Morphs allow for some great chaotic fun
-Pre-saved rules are great and the customization allowed is amazing
-Squad Strike is one of the best features that have been added
-Spirit Battles in the beginning are cool idea
-Training Mode Stage is perfect with it's whole grid layout and having it be extremely big
-Stage selection is great
-Almost a thousand songs are in the game, and having them be tied to series in general instead of specific stages like the last Smash Bros is great
-Stage Builder is now a lot better with people making creative stages and sharing them
-Echo Fighters are an ingenious re-branding of clone fighters where people would want more and help allow certain character to get in

These are all great things that are in Smash Bros Ultimate. As a whole it's a great game, but not everything in Ultimate is perfect.

 

[ZelDan]

Part of me agrees that minor characters like Thwomp or Tiki serve assist trophies best, but then most of me thinks I'd rather have Bomberman as an AT than no Bomberman. Same goes for characters like Guile, Shovel Knight, or even Zero.

Lemme tell you something, there's nothing more harrowing than seeing an assist trophy just straight up deleted and not even upgraded. This is where Custom Robo and Advance Wars fans really have it rough.

Sure, I can understand that viewpoint. obviously something is better than nothing. That said 99% of the time I don't really play with items on so that "something" is still practically "nothing" to me. >_>

 

[Curious Villager]

Do you think Nintendo would put two general Directs that close to each other?

Pretty sure they have done April Direct's before.
Didn't they announce the Smash 4 fighter ballot during an April Direct?

I think that was also Iwata's final general Direct before he passed away...

 

[CapitaineCrash]

So, what have you guys been doing to stave off the boredom of this wait for new info?

I just finished Blasphemous on switch. Although the platforming is not very precise in some section which make the game more frustrating than it should be it's a pretty solid game. Right now I'm playing Child of light, which I bought for like 4$ at some Ubisoft sales on the Eshop recently. After that I'm planning to do My friend Pedro. So not a lot of big games but I'm still playing some indie games here and there.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Weren't you saying they'd skip March and have one in April just a week ago?

Yes I did but given the physical card release and such I'm seeing the possible opposite now.

 

[MattX20]

The physical card and the Amiibo reissues for Isabelle, K. Rool, and Piranha plant to me indicates the character will be released in April, which possibly entails a March reveal

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I've been thinking about how much better Cloud would have been if he was in Ultimate as DLC for more FF7 representation and goddammit it's sad at how much you're able to add. Bombing Mission, One Winged Angel, the Chocobo theme, JENOVA, Weapon Raid, Golden Saucer, Birth of a God, Cosmic Canyon, the Junon March music, so much. Then there's literally ANY spirit there, this debacle alone makes me hope for another FF7 character, even if it'd end up being Sephiroth

 

[Phoenixio]

So where are the news that the second Fighter Pass is the "last" DLC coming from? If I recall, the original twitter comment from Sakurai was saying that nothing else was planned after that, yet. Which is the same thing that happened with the second fighter pass, which was only decided wayyy into the development of the first, not earlier...

I might just be getting angry at those news articles that deform statements, but since the game is selling really well, I doubt Nintendo would choose to cut development if money is still coming in. And they might have good surprises, like with Fighter Pass 1, that sells really well due to good character picks.

 

[HansShotFirst20]

I think I might be in the minority when I say I'd rather have Nightmare/Siegfried than Heihachi/Jin/Kazuya.
As an arena fighter, Tekken's mechanics wouldn't translate to Smash as well as a 2D fighter's would. Tekken's slower movement, reduced emphasis on aerial gameplay and projectiles, and overall less 'high energy' gameplay would mean that more liberties would have to be taken to get a tekken character to fit into smash (I believe this is what Sakurai meant when he said that he and his team had trouble translating Heihachi into Smash), thusly robbing a Tekken rep of what makes the other 3 fighting game reps in smash special.
While Soul Calibur is also an Arena Fighter, its faster movement, mechanics like a dedicated block button and ringouts, and much less precise hitboxes than Tekken make it much easier to translate in my view. A Soul Calibur rep would also be set apart from the other FG reps in smash by the fact that they use a sword, in addition to the mechanics they carry over from their home series. Plus, Nightmare (and Siegfried, etc.) are just cooler than Tekken characters, IMO.


That said, I'd still rather have a Hyper Fighter rep like Sol Badguy -- the mechanics of a Hyper Fighter would translate to Smash waaay better than an Arena Fighter.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So where are the news that the second Fighter Pass is the "last" DLC coming from? If I recall, the original twitter comment from Sakurai was saying that nothing else was planned after that, yet. Which is the same thing that happened with the second fighter pass, which was only decided wayyy into the development of the first, not earlier...

I might just be getting angry at those news articles that deform statements, but since the game is selling really well, I doubt Nintendo would choose to cut development if money is still coming in. And they might have good surprises, like with Fighter Pass 1, that sells really well due to good character picks.

it's best to assume it's the last. that way if there IS more, you'll be pleasantly surprised. as long as it prints money i think more DLC isn't out of the question. as long as they don't nickel and dime you, looking at you Tecmo

besides the Sakurai fainting thing wasn't because of Smash, it was because low carbs + lots of meat (salt) + insufficient hydration when working out. not exactly the healthiest diet choice

*edit* GUESS WHAT POST THIS IS.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

The most I could see is an Echo Pack to round up 90 (92) and even then I doubt that tbh.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

still think we could get some Individual DLC sans a stage. maybe a few music tracks unlike PP. some are Echoes, some aren't.
Non echo choices include Bandana Dee, Adeleine, etc. Echo choices include Kasumi and Medusa. Characters like Black Shadow, Dixie Kong, and Akuma could go either way.

im hoping elma or octoling aren't individual cause i want them to come with music AND stages

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Rie:

it's best to assume it's the last. that way if there IS more, you'll be pleasantly surprised.

Also Rie:

still think we could get some Individual DLC sans a stage. maybe a few music tracks unlike PP. some are Echoes, some aren't.
Non echo choices include Bandana Dee, Adeleine, etc. Echo choices include Kasumi and Medusa. Characters like Black Shadow, Dixie Kong, and Akuma could go either way.

im hoping elma or octoling aren't individual cause i want them to come with music AND stages

 

[Phoenixio]

Considering that it took them a few years to work on the original full cast of ~74 characters, a DLC character is actually a lot of time spent on a single one. With the engine already programmed and most of the technical stuff in, whenever they spend an extra 3 months to release the next character, that's actually a lot of time dedicated to much fewer characters being worked on at once. So with that in mind, it's probably not "that" expensive for them to create a single fighter at a time.

I'm surprised they didn't go the single DLC route, bar for Piranha Plant. They could easily do single ones as promotional tools for new games coming out, and if the money stops flowing, they can stop wherever they are. No need to necessarily plan the whole thing as sets of 5-6 fighters at once. I mean, those sets indicate that they do have the resources to commit on development for a while, but I'm sure they could have smaller scale development for individual ones.

And with how Sakurai was saying this was a mission and potentially the last chance ever to have this big of a roster, I wouldn't be surprised if there were talks to reach 100 fighters total at some point. And with the Switch being their best selling console ever, after the Wii U flop, Nintendo certainly has reasons to support this console for as long as they can.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Considering that it took them a few years to work on the original full cast of ~74 characters, a DLC character is actually a lot of time spent on a single one. With the engine already programmed and most of the technical stuff in, whenever they spend an extra 3 months to release the next character, that's actually a lot of time dedicated to much fewer characters being worked on at once. So with that in mind, it's probably not "that" expensive for them to create a single fighter at a time.

I'm surprised they didn't go the single DLC route, bar for Piranha Plant. They could easily do single ones as promotional tools for new games coming out, and if the money stops flowing, they can stop wherever they are. No need to necessarily plan the whole thing as sets of 5-6 fighters at once. I mean, those sets indicate that they do have the resources to commit on development for a while, but I'm sure they could have smaller scale development for individual ones.

And with how Sakurai was saying this was a mission and potentially the last chance ever to have this big of a roster, I wouldn't be surprised if there were talks to reach 100 fighters total at some point. And with the Switch being their best selling console ever, after the Wii U flop, Nintendo certainly has reasons to support this console for as long as they can.

say do we have sales numbers for pass 1? i imagine it sold like hotcakes for Hero (Japan) and Banjo (the west) and maybe a bit of Terry (Latin America). Moreso Hero tho, DQ is LITERALLY a pop culture staple there

 

[Phoenixio]

say do we have sales numbers for pass 1? i imagine it sold like hotcakes for Hero (Japan) and Banjo (the west) and maybe a bit of Terry (Latin America). Moreso Hero tho, DQ is LITERALLY a pop culture staple there

Using the power of google, I found this rather quickly: Article about DLC sales, where they mention SSBU's fighter pass as the main boom. And then as extra evidence, they decided to do a second fighter pass... Which is fairly rare, all games/consoles considered. So I'd go and assume they found a gold mine there...

 

[PeridotGX]

I'm surprised they didn't start selling echo fighters as DLC. I can't imagine they take much effort, change a few taunt and victory animations, licence one or two songs, sell for $2-$3, profit. If I were to add an echo to every fighter's pass wave, I'd choose...

Joker - Shadow/Metal Sonic (). There's already Sonic content being added in this wave, they'd fit right in.
Hero - Octoling (). No real reason, there isn't an obvious character to fill this slot and Octoling is a character that should be added.
Banjo - Funky Kong (). Who better to add with a Rareware character than a Rareware character?
Terry - Obstagoon (). This is operating on the assumption we won't be getting a unique SW/SH character. We might as well add an echo to promote the game, and Obstagoon is the only pre-release Pokemon to work as one
Byleth - Tom Nook (/, doesn't really matter). Promotes New Horizons and finally gives people the "obvious" first or the "obvious" second Animal Crossing rep.

 

[Kokiden]

So, what have you guys been doing to stave off the boredom of this wait for new info?

Going through my immense backlog of games, not to mention reading manga and books, so there's always something for me to do leisure wise.

 

[MattX20]

Going through my immense backlog of games, not to mention reading manga and books, so there's always something for me to do leisure wise.

I probably need to go through some of my books also.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I think the only reason why ATs are so hated is because a lot of people think it's a permanent deconfirmation.

If Waluigi or Isaac got in through one of the six remaining slots, then I feel like ATs would suddenly be treated way better than they are now.

That's the feeling shared by those who do play with and those without items share.

From a no items perspective, it's your favorite character being locked behind an item. Should be obvious there. From an items perspective, it's only seeing your favorite character do 4 things they're known for at best, or turned into a joke in the case of Starfy.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Do it, it's worth of trying. It has a slow start where the game shows you the mechanics and introduces the setting, the characters and the story, but after that everything related to the main story is a wild ride.

The minigames are also totally worth doing.

The whole real estate subplot that Kiryu gets roped into spawned one of the greatests themes in gaming imo

If Kiryu makes it in and this isn't one of his songs I'm gonna be really annoyed.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Remember Kasumi (P5R not DoA)? Nobody really talks about her anymore. I think we might be sleeping on her chances.

I think you're insane if you think Persona is going to be the first 3P to get a 2nd character...

 

[SNEKeater]

I think you're insane if you think Persona is going to be the first 3P to get a 2nd character...

I agree that Kasumi has almost no chances to make it (and I don't get all the fuss for her honestly, I'd prefer any other Phantom Thief before her), but Castlevania and Street Fighter already break that.

 

[N3ON]

I'm surprised they didn't start selling echo fighters as DLC. I can't imagine they take much effort, change a few taunt and victory animations, licence one or two songs, sell for $2-$3, profit. If I were to add an echo to every fighter's pass wave, I'd choose...

Joker - Shadow/Metal Sonic (). There's already Sonic content being added in this wave, they'd fit right in.
Hero - Octoling (). No real reason, there isn't an obvious character to fill this slot and Octoling is a character that should be added.
Banjo - Funky Kong (). Who better to add with a Rareware character than a Rareware character?
Terry - Obstagoon (). This is operating on the assumption we won't be getting a unique SW/SH character. We might as well add an echo to promote the game, and Obstagoon is the only pre-release Pokemon to work as one
Byleth - Tom Nook (/, doesn't really matter). Promotes New Horizons and finally gives people the "obvious" first or the "obvious" second Animal Crossing rep.

Even less effort would just be selling alt costumes for the existing characters and, ironically, they only do that for the character least cared about otherwise.

 

[Cosmic77]

Honestly, the love for Kasumi was kept alive by one particular user's memes. If we're comparing her to the others and judging her solely for her moveset, I think she's probably one of my last choices.

If we had to get another Phantom Thief, I'd choose Ann (another whip user, which is rare) or Morgana (Ehh...kinda the game's mascot), though I'd be fine with Ryuji or Yusuke out of a personal bias for their character, even if I don't think they're as unique. Makoto (motorcycle) and Akechi (two Personas) have cool moveset potential too; they aren't my favorites, but they seem like they'd be fun to play.

This is all just speculation though. I don't expect another character from P5 any time soon.

 

[PeridotGX]

If I'm going to be starting a Grovyle bandwagon, I need some memes to fuel the flames

 

[Guynamednelson]

If I'm going to be starting a Grovyle bandwagon, I need some memes to fuel the flames
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50 songs or not, Terry is still missing crucial music by excluding Spread the Wings.

 

[Deleted member]

So I guess this is apart of Speculation, but i need to ask all of you guys

Do any of you guys know any Leakers that I can Call or message, I'm trying to figure out something that's been in the back of my mind forever, If Shadow the Hedgehog will be Playable in Smash Ultimate. I need someone to either Deconfirm or Confirm him for Fighter Pass 2 so i can rest. If Sakurai Officially deconfirmed Assists as playable, I wouldn't be talking about this now, but since he didn't i'm left wondering about this.

This is a really big deal to me. Shadow potentially being in Smash is one of my main motivators for living. I don't want to die before Shadow makes it into Smash, but i don't know how long i can last for. I already tried calling Sega, I Called Nintendo, And I asked Gamefaqs and Papagenos discord for this exact thing. Yes

Dude. Seek professional help for this.

 

[Leotsune]

If I'm going to be starting a Grovyle bandwagon, I need some memes to fuel the flames
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I dunno about that, even Terry and his insane amount of SNK music lacked some crucial music pieces, mainly these two imo:

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[CureParfait]

So, what have you guys been doing to stave off the boredom of this wait for new info?

Playing Yu Gi Oh Duel Links and Granblue Fantasy

 

[Ayumi Tachibana]

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[Knight Dude]

50 songs or not, Terry is still missing crucial music by excluding Spread the Wings.

Yeah but that's because of copyright. We're missing Stormy Sax #5. And considering the how many songs in 13 are in, it's kind of an odd one out.

Granted we got Stormy Sax #2, which is the most important one.

 

[P.Kat]

So, what have you guys been doing to stave off the boredom of this wait for new info?

Going through my backlog of games, as well as playing Granblue Fantasy Versus.

 

[Megadoomer]

So, what have you guys been doing to stave off the boredom of this wait for new info?

Work, trying to get through my backlog of games (next up is probably Link's Awakening on the Switch), trying to get through my backlog of movies/TV shows, reading books and manga, and I might look into how to make a game with RPG Maker. (I've had it on Steam for a while now, but I'm not sure where to start)

 

[Knight Dude]

So, what have you guys been doing to stave off the boredom of this wait for new info?

Playing a bunch of Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3. Mostly beefing up my main team to deal with a challenge that'll unlock Symbiote Spider-Man for me.

 

[Cosmic77]

So I guess this is apart of Speculation, but i need to ask all of you guys

Do any of you guys know any Leakers that I can Call or message, I'm trying to figure out something that's been in the back of my mind forever, If Shadow the Hedgehog will be Playable in Smash Ultimate. I need someone to either Deconfirm or Confirm him for Fighter Pass 2 so i can rest. If Sakurai Officially deconfirmed Assists as playable, I wouldn't be talking about this now, but since he didn't i'm left wondering about this.

This is a really big deal to me. Shadow potentially being in Smash is one of my main motivators for living. I don't want to die before Shadow makes it into Smash, but i don't know how long i can last for. I already tried calling Sega, I Called Nintendo, And I asked Gamefaqs and Papagenos discord for this exact thing. Yes

I understand the feeling of desperately wanting a character in Smash, but you're taking it to an extreme.

Maybe Shadow will get in, maybe not. All you can do is wait for an answer. If he doesn't make it, the world keeps on spinning.

 

[Deleted member]

This is a really big deal to me. Shadow potentially being in Smash is one of my main motivators for living. I don't want to die before Shadow makes it into Smash, but i don't know how long i can last for. I already tried calling Sega, I Called Nintendo, And I asked Gamefaqs and Papagenos discord for this exact thing.

you're better off consulting a therapist rather than an online smash forum for this

 

[SNEKeater]

I dunno about that, even Terry and his insane amount of SNK music lacked some crucial music pieces, mainly these two imo:

Spoiler

The lack of Garou alt and no music from that game is what makes me incapable of giving Terry a 10/10

nah just kidding Terry and all his content is ****ing 10/10