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Because THOSE FRANCHISES DON'T HAVE 8 GODDAMN SLOTS ON THE ROSTER.
Sure there's the occasional arguments that make me wonder "Have you even played the game?". But then there's the """arguments""" that are so preposterous that they make me wonder "Have you even SEEN a picture or video of the character?", such as all of these people who insisted that Hero/Terry would be clones of Robin/Ken.
There's a lot to be said about hyperbolic, irrational fearmongering but those characters have far more to them than just their swords.
I have heard those arguments countless times whenever I bring up Duck Hunt Dog before he got in Smash.
Mmmmmm, nah. Never. Another Pokemon Trainer isn't that in for me, even if I get the satisfaction of playing James.
That's the thing, right? Sometimes it really is impossible for people to see characters implemented into Smash Bros until they actually see it. I remember a discussion people had with Banjo is how would he look in Ultimate, because his old N64 design hasn't touched a modern game in nearly two decades. It was quite physically impossible for me to imagine how they'd look like in Smash.
Imagine believing they'd stick with the modern atrocity of the redesign after blessing Simon with his barbarian retro look instead of Kojima's BDS(imo)N.
Some people feared that. Remember, Sonic's design isn't his old Classic design, and it's not like Pac-Man is just a circle with a pizza slice cut out of it. Plus people were cynical about Microsoft because it was Microsoft.
A good way to put it is some characters are harder to imagine than others in how they work.
Konami
The recent Dante discussion really solidified this to me.
Did that stop the West's Hero hate when he was first announced?
Advertisements? I don’t know about that. Does that apply to Lucario, Greninja, and Incineroar? Did Sakurai pick them to be in Smash before their respective games came out?
The issue was that people were complaining that Dante would be a JOKER ripoff instead of a Bayonetta one.
That was my thought, tbh. At least when Incineroar came out. Reasons why I'm expecting a Galarian Pokemon more than any other.
Mainly the last two.
Greninja was chosen before XY came out, while Incineroar was chosen when SM came out and he could see that Mimikyu/Lycanroc were more successful but **** it, characters are just functions amirite?
People keep saying that but I don't see how.
If I'm being perfectly honest I saw far more people spamming Hoes Mad memes and complaining about people not liking Hero than people actually hating on him, but to be fair that probably has to do with the fact that everyone had spent the 6 months beforehand anticipating him showing up and the fact that Banjo came with him. And I feel a good portion of the "vitriol" around him has more to do with the other, more requested Square reps surrounding him than anything about Hero specifically. Either way, there was way more anger surrounding Byleth than Hero, and it has more to do with Fire Emblem than anything about the character specifically.
Doomslayer actually has more personality than 'angry man who shoots', he has an actual sense of justice as he beat the **** out of his commanding officer when ordered to risk the lives of innocent civilians, has a soft spot for animals as he had a pet rabbit called Daisy, is a nerd as he collects action figures and fist bumps them, is a tad deadpan as seen when Samuel Hayden tried justifying himself to which Doomslayer just looked at a human corpse as if to say "right, this man's dead for the better of humanity because you greedy ****s can't stop being greedy". Then there's the taunts in the 2016 multiplayer which has him dance and prance around
It's easy to see when someone only has at best a surface level understanding of the character they're talking about when they make arguments like that. It'd be one thing if they played the games and just aren't personal fans of the character, but oftentimes it's pretty clear that the issue at hand is more that they don't have any interest in the character from what they've seen and look for any reason to write them off. So when you see arguments like "Dante would just be Bayonetta", "Monster Hunter brings nothing to the table for a moveset", or "Travis would just be another boring swordsman", it's hard not to wonder if they even bothered to look up the character they're talking about.
Bruh Sakurai outright said he got lucky Greninja was popular as Greninja's design was merely concept art by the time it got added in Smash and although we don't have anything concrete on Incineroar's case, basic logic of game development means it got added before SM got released. Sakurai even said Pokemon gets to be special and have reserved spots put just for whatever new Pokemon will be in the newest games by that point, no other franchise got to have reserved spots in the roster for unreleased games simply because of the franchise it's from
And Decidueye is currently the third most popular Alola Pokémon according to the Pokémon Google poll (after Mimikyu and Rowlet) so I am hoping Sakurai would revisit the Decidueye idea for the second Fighters Pass.
Thankfully Bandai Namco allowed Sakurai to use Pac's classic look instead of that design, otherwise we wouldn't have Pac at all.
Other than being characters made by Hideki Kamiya and come from stylish action games, they're quite different from each other. Despite the two being different from each other, some people are still going to compare the two even if Dante does get in.
Uuuhh no, Mario and Pokemon are tolerated because each one is different both as characters and fighters. Only half the FE character can claim the latter and none of them can claim the former.
What do you even mean by the second thing lmao. All eight are completely different characters.
You say this as Roy, Corrin, and Byleth are literally only here to be walking advertisements for their games.
This is exactly the sort of thing Jones was on about lol
Man we really just gonna act like Dr. Mario, Daisy, and Pichu don't exist huh?
They are purely the same aesthetically. Try doing Byleth's final Classic battle and picking yourself out among the crowd, it's near impossible outside of a little P1 arrow.
Dr. Mario & Daisy, fair, but Pichu has the harming mechanic, so his style somewhat different.
Mario isn't tolerated for that, Mario gets ignored because Mario is the best thing since sliced bread and therefore immune to criticism. People say the FE cast look too similair but Mario very rarely gets criticized for having Mario, Green Mario, Literally Just Mario with a different outfit, Yellow Fat Mario, Peach, Orange Peach, Space Peach, Bowser and Bowser Jr.
I have astigmatism AND myopia, and I can tell them apart just fine. What's your excuse?
So Roy's hitboxes being smaller and inverted when compared to Marth which demands more rushdown instead of spacing doesn't count nor do Lucina and Chrom's consistent hitboxes, which for the former, makes Lucina a significantly better character than Marth both casually and competitively?
Mario is tolerated because it's literally the biggest franchise in video game history you goddamn clown. Every Mario character here (sans Doc and Daisu, who are clones, and Plant who's a joke character, neither of which should really be here) isn't just here to represent a single game, but are either too iconic not to be here or represent entire sub-series of Mario, not just one game.
